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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
We only have like 1 minute until EoD though, right?
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Nevermind, guess it's over?
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Upon reflection I think C's avatar made him/her seem more detached. Lol.
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Now we play the waiting game.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Close. Being honest I didn't know if you were caught up or not. It was irrelevant.Golf wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:58 pm He basically was saying India was suspicious because her response to me was, "Catch up with the thread" which ftr was pointless because I was completely caught up. I was simply stating the couple things that stood out to me. Right or wrong, that was how Juliet read to me at the time. Did I sum that up pretty accurately, Fox?
India's interaction with you G was completely disgenuine. India's reaction to me calling that disgenuine was also disgenuine and did not stem from a positive Civ mindset.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
I find you one of the more trustworthy players right now.Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:03 pmClose. Being honest I didn't know if you were caught up or not. It was irrelevant.Golf wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:58 pm He basically was saying India was suspicious because her response to me was, "Catch up with the thread" which ftr was pointless because I was completely caught up. I was simply stating the couple things that stood out to me. Right or wrong, that was how Juliet read to me at the time. Did I sum that up pretty accurately, Fox?
India's interaction with you G was completely disgenuine. India's reaction to me calling that disgenuine was also disgenuine and did not stem from a positive Civ mindset.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
You flatter me Golf. What are your thoughts on Alpha?
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Kilo has been lynched
Night 1 begins and will end in 24 hours
Night 1 begins and will end in 24 hours
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
If you are interested in revealing alignments upon lynch bring it up in your chatzy
Everyone else please submit your night action if you have one
Everyone else please submit your night action if you have one
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
You suspect me of coaching, as I understand it. I was not doing so, as is clear from the context. Your suspicion is founded on an incomplete perspective of my post.Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:32 pm"Was It genuine or not?" is the core of each mafia question. India you werent genuine there. You arent genuine in your response to me. Explaining what you do when asked is part of the game.
Calling my line of suspicion which is "you were not genuine" baseless is a dumb argument. How is it baseless?
When I see suspicion directed my way, I respond if I think it deserves response. But you took a target sentence 'You should catch up' which I firmly believe you would have called out in any context as a scumtell, and directed suspicion at that.
It is not a scumtell. It is a perfectly valid sentence that, in context, was telling Golf that his argument was flawed.
I consider arguments like this to be foolish, and easy to exploit to spur mislynches. I would have voted for you if it weren't for Hanlon's razor. And, well, the fear that you will take my vote as a 'no u' and enter recursive fallacious suspicion.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
I fell asleep.
Did anyone peep the end of day phase poll with their eyeballs who can tell me what it looked like? Was it still a tie or did Kilo receive a majority of votes?
Did anyone peep the end of day phase poll with their eyeballs who can tell me what it looked like? Was it still a tie or did Kilo receive a majority of votes?
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It appears that I missed an entire page before posting that.
Rest in peace, K. Those who lynched you are probably scum. I see nothing in your posts worth the animosity.
Rest in peace, K. Those who lynched you are probably scum. I see nothing in your posts worth the animosity.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
[mention]Foxtrot[/mention] Would my alignment depend on the alignment of Golf?
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
So you would not find it suspicious if Kilo had voted for you because he was "not leaving it up to chance" but then turned around and questioned the sincerity and reasoning of someone else voting for you, but left his vote parked on you even so? That was what led me to vote Kilo.
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Kilo received the majority. I don't know what the vote counts were, but he had four maybe? I had 2 and I think Charlie had 2, a couple others had one. I don't remember who all though. India had 1.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
That is a weird question to ask. You know if you are scum or not, just like I know I am not scum. And if there are not flips, what impact does that question have? Unless it makes a difference for how you vote as far as whether or not to be in favor of flips. Why does this question even matter, what is your angle?
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I am voting Yes on alignment-reveals.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Reference point after EOD1:
Alpha 56
Foxtrot 38
Bravo 34
India 28
Golf 21
Echo 20
Charlie 17
Hotel 17
sprityo 14
Juliet 11
Kilo 8
Spacedaisy 2
dunya 1
Kylemii 1
Alpha 56
Foxtrot 38
Bravo 34
India 28
Golf 21
Echo 20
Charlie 17
Hotel 17
sprityo 14
Juliet 11
Kilo 8
Spacedaisy 2
dunya 1
Kylemii 1
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Number of times you mentioned "K" or "Kilo" prior to the deadline: zero
If you felt this way, why did you wait until after the lynch had been finalized to voice it?
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Don't skimp on the storyline, Sprityo. This theme is awesome.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Good luck whichever team I was on. Beat that other team!
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Exactly this. The outcome surprised me, as I was not here for it. Kilo had made zero impression on me. I looked at Kilo posts, and I found nothing bad of note. In a game where everyone had legitimate suspicions, this lynch was too easy. I very much doubt it was scum.
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What was that crap about Juliet being Wilgy, and therefore town?
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Quiet night... the rules say the thread will be locked during night phases but it's not, but nobody is posting. [mention]sprityo[/mention] should we not be posting during the night? Should the thread actually be locked?
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Errr I actually forgot about that rule.....
No worries I’ll just remove the rule since you guys will need all the discussion you can get
No worries I’ll just remove the rule since you guys will need all the discussion you can get
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Okay cool. There were a couple things I was going to comment on then.
[mention]India[/mention] were you not around for any of the time Kilo was getting votes? I don't think you missed all of it because Bravo expressed suspicion of Kilo long before EOD, and I followed that. If you had some reason to object to those suspicions, or some specific reason to think Kilo was town, you could have said something. And what did you mean by this sentence: "In a game where everyone had legitimate suspicions, this lynch was too easy." ? Do you mean hypothetically if there were legitimate suspicions, or do you believe there were actually more legitimate suspicions that were better options for this day 1? Because I think, at least for Bravo and me (not sure about the other 2? who voted there), the Kilo suspicion was a legitimate enough one.
[mention]Foxtrot[/mention], I don't get why you so strongly suspect(ed) India. Is there more to your suspicion than the bit about telling Golf to catch up? Because that's really weak. You haven't answered yet whether your suspicion of India is entirely dependent on their being buddies with Golf or not, so I would like to second that question. Do you have any other reasons to suspect either of them independently of each other?
[mention]India[/mention] were you not around for any of the time Kilo was getting votes? I don't think you missed all of it because Bravo expressed suspicion of Kilo long before EOD, and I followed that. If you had some reason to object to those suspicions, or some specific reason to think Kilo was town, you could have said something. And what did you mean by this sentence: "In a game where everyone had legitimate suspicions, this lynch was too easy." ? Do you mean hypothetically if there were legitimate suspicions, or do you believe there were actually more legitimate suspicions that were better options for this day 1? Because I think, at least for Bravo and me (not sure about the other 2? who voted there), the Kilo suspicion was a legitimate enough one.
[mention]Foxtrot[/mention], I don't get why you so strongly suspect(ed) India. Is there more to your suspicion than the bit about telling Golf to catch up? Because that's really weak. You haven't answered yet whether your suspicion of India is entirely dependent on their being buddies with Golf or not, so I would like to second that question. Do you have any other reasons to suspect either of them independently of each other?
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I may have missed any significant suspicion on Kilo. I was using my phone at the time, which leaves me prone to skim the posts. I do not recall any discussion about Kilo. Certainly do not remember any objections to the lynch, which is key.Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:51 pm @India were you not around for any of the time Kilo was getting votes? I don't think you missed all of it because Bravo expressed suspicion of Kilo long before EOD, and I followed that. If you had some reason to object to those suspicions, or some specific reason to think Kilo was town, you could have said something. And what did you mean by this sentence: "In a game where everyone had legitimate suspicions, this lynch was too easy." ? Do you mean hypothetically if there were legitimate suspicions, or do you believe there were actually more legitimate suspicions that were better options for this day 1? Because I think, at least for Bravo and me (not sure about the other 2? who voted there), the Kilo suspicion was a legitimate enough one.
Looking at Kilo's ISO, I get the feeling that they were an easy target who fell through the cracks.
I believe that J was a better option, for that is where my vote was. F seemed to think that I was a better option. But nobody heeded our arguments, and the majority voted with no fuss. It bothers me.
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We can spell dicc though
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Reminder, Day starts in 1.5 hours
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
If I should die tonight I will do so with only one regret; the regret that I failed to complete my most sacred mission.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
If I die, lynch . . . Echo?
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Day 2
“Time’s up.” The voice said. In that instant the lights flashed and when they returned not but a few seconds later. India was gone. Disintegrated by the looks, his clothes in a heap on the floor. They checked the pockets in case he had anything on him, what they found was surprising. A note he had snagged off of another scientist earlier detailing about a mission to steal their research. They all looked to Echo now as it appears he had been foiled.
INDIA HAS DIED IN THE NIGHT
ECHO HAS BEEN REVEALED AS A DISGUISER
Day 2 ends in 48 hours
“Time’s up.” The voice said. In that instant the lights flashed and when they returned not but a few seconds later. India was gone. Disintegrated by the looks, his clothes in a heap on the floor. They checked the pockets in case he had anything on him, what they found was surprising. A note he had snagged off of another scientist earlier detailing about a mission to steal their research. They all looked to Echo now as it appears he had been foiled.
INDIA HAS DIED IN THE NIGHT
ECHO HAS BEEN REVEALED AS A DISGUISER
Day 2 ends in 48 hours
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
A Majority was not reached.
There will be no reveals upon lynches. The game continues as normal
There will be no reveals upon lynches. The game continues as normal
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Well that's definitely a plot twist.
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lol excellent
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Poll doesn't work on my phone. Voting Echo whenever it lets me.
This provides a great solving opportunity. Echo is the disguiser and his teammates may be identifiable in his posts (including or not including Kilo) It'll be muddier than usual perhaps given the no flip dynamic. I'll take a look a bit later.
This provides a great solving opportunity. Echo is the disguiser and his teammates may be identifiable in his posts (including or not including Kilo) It'll be muddier than usual perhaps given the no flip dynamic. I'll take a look a bit later.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
i don't understand why they chose to kill India. India didn't seem to buy Echo's claim. Echo was deliberately fake claiming so the mafia should have known there was a possibility that the real Oracle would be their strongest opposition.
In light of everything else, the Juliet post quoted by India here seems to be relevant.India wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:18 pmI have stated the possible motives. I dare not put words in the mouth of Echo. Such would be ironic.Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:54 amIt's not short-sighted, it's a pretty, solid plan,India wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:11 am We could have waited for day two to pull that. Then the oracle would have a choice regarding who to reveal. How unfortunate.
And furthermore, since the oracle is vanilla so long as it lives, I would imagine that the bad guys would avoid killing it. And the good guys would avoid lynching it as well.
So, I don't really want to believe you, Echo. I wonder what your motive is. Bad guy, trying to avoid being lynched? Good guy, trying not to get lynched or killed? Or are you a genuine Oracle, though very short-sighted?
What would you have done if you were dealt that hand?
Do you have some thoughts on why he took this stand?
I think it's legit, and he/she's a cool little can.
You ask what I, as Oracle, would have done? I could consider this to be role phishing. But I will answer regardless or your motive.
Oracle, should they desire to do well and be killed rather than lynched, should be as town-centric in action as possible. I believe the term is 'supah-town,' if you will forgive my use of non-words. The gambit that Echo has enacted is not ideal for a real Oracle.
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Holy shit?!?!?!?!?
Amazing.
Amazing.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
I was sure Echo was lying about the oracle, but I figured there were civ reasons (avoiding getting nightkilled and/or protecting the real oracle). I certainly wasn't expecting this. Guess they were fishing for the real one, and I don't think India hinted at it at all or anything but they somehow got it. Or maybe they just killed India because they were a pretty active/supertownish player and they got lucky. Either way, this outcome is hilarious.
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Or wait no, I reversed that. The mafia wouldn't have been trying to kill the oracle precisely because of this. I mean their kill was lucky... for us.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
They must have been worried that India was going to cause problems for their fake claim strategy and didn't think about
i wonder if the disguiser role was going to factor in somehow? It's weird that the player who chose to fake-claim was the player they designated to have the disguiser role.
i wonder if the disguiser role was going to factor in somehow? It's weird that the player who chose to fake-claim was the player they designated to have the disguiser role.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
They must have been worried that India was going to cause problems for their fake claim strategy and didn't think about the potential risks of hitting the real oracle.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
From the one other time I dealt with the Disguiser role, it functioned as thus : When the Disguiser killed someone, their original account was shown as dying and they took over the account of their actual target. Which would mean India was the original account of the Disguiser and Echo the actual kill last night. Important for when looking at possible connections.
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Wait what?
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Are you saying that Echo was the Oracle and India was the disguiser?