Mortal Kombat Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could lynch Wilgy. My vote is on Mac. I am definitely not lynching Kyle or Sloonei, whose present wagons frankly mystify me.

[Sloonei]

Hey Glorf! If you were to provide a rainbow-type list of reads right now, what might it look like?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Y'all please tell me about sig.

[Made]

I could lynch Wilgy. My vote is on Mac. I am definitely not lynching Kyle or Sloonei, whose present wagons frankly mystify me.

wilgy? tldr?

linki seconded.

[speedchuck]

Placeholder vote on Wilgy for now. Feel free to follow or get upset so I can judge you.

Rainbow incoming

[Sloonei]

I am not inclined to vote for wilgy. As a loose impression I feel like zany, befuddling wilgy is more apt to be town. In recent memory, I cite Pirates wilgy (town) posting exclusively in emojis vs. Vocaroo/Seinfeld/Mountains wilgy (mafia) who featured no notable gimmicks that I can remember. His blind insistence that I am bad strikes me as a wilgy gimmick.

[Marmot]

Everyone is being quite crazy with their votes right now. I don't like this lack of seriousness in the beginning of big games like this. Everyone thinks they can just play around and vote here or there and it won't matter much. Dudes (and dudettes), if we try hard enough, we might be able to get a scum on Day 1.

I believe that unpredictability is fun. I also believe it can lead to some scrumptious reactions, and maybe even unearth some malicious intent.

But I'm not very good at spotting such behaviors, so I understand your frustration.

[Marmot]

Dave is moderately suspicious. I won't be lynching him today. I refuse to lynch any player in their first game on the site on Day 1.

this is my first game too

Pretty sure that Jay will lynch liars.

[speedchuck]

I am not inclined to vote for wilgy. As a loose impression I feel like zany, befuddling wilgy is more apt to be town. In recent memory, I cite Pirates wilgy (town) posting exclusively in emojis vs. Vocaroo/Seinfeld/Mountains wilgy (mafia) who featured no notable gimmicks that I can remember. His blind insistence that I am bad strikes me as a wilgy gimmick.

See, I don't think so. Because Wilgy was helpful with the emoji's, and was reasoned and such. (I know I said the opposite during that game, but I lied. I was mafia.)
This game doesn't strike me as a gimmick. It strikes me as a ploy to cover up his lower-effort mafia play.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
Sloonei
Glorfindel
Quin
JaggedJimmyJay
Elohcin
Simon
Jackofhearts2005
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Gumshoe
Dave
lapluie
novaselinenever
Made
TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall
Kylemii
Long Con
sig
Marmot
nutella
DrWilgy

GTH readlist.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not inclined to vote for wilgy. As a loose impression I feel like zany, befuddling wilgy is more apt to be town. In recent memory, I cite Pirates wilgy (town) posting exclusively in emojis vs. Vocaroo/Seinfeld/Mountains wilgy (mafia) who featured no notable gimmicks that I can remember. His blind insistence that I am bad strikes me as a wilgy gimmick.

See, I don't think so. Because Wilgy was helpful with the emoji's, and was reasoned and such. (I know I said the opposite during that game, but I lied. I was mafia.)
This game doesn't strike me as a gimmick. It strikes me as a ploy to cover up his lower-effort mafia play.

I'm more on speedchuck's side here. Wilgy was a terrible lynch in Pirates because his emojis were clearly oriented toward a hunt, and the civilians were too lazy to figure that out. In this game I don't really have a clue what Wilgy is doing. All I could guess in the civilian spectrum would be "tunnel Sloonei and see how people handle it". I don't really get that impression.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

speedchuck, tell me of nutella.

[Marmot]

speedchuck
Sloonei
Glorfindel
Quin
JaggedJimmyJay
Elohcin
Simon
Jackofhearts2005
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Gumshoe
Dave
lapluie
novaselinenever
Made
TonyStarkPrime
MacDougall
Kylemii
Long Con
sig
Marmot
nutella
DrWilgy

GTH readlist.

You have too many marmots in the orange section of your rainbow.

[Sloonei]

I am not inclined to vote for wilgy. As a loose impression I feel like zany, befuddling wilgy is more apt to be town. In recent memory, I cite Pirates wilgy (town) posting exclusively in emojis vs. Vocaroo/Seinfeld/Mountains wilgy (mafia) who featured no notable gimmicks that I can remember. His blind insistence that I am bad strikes me as a wilgy gimmick.

See, I don't think so. Because Wilgy was helpful with the emoji's, and was reasoned and such. (I know I said the opposite during that game, but I lied. I was mafia.)
This game doesn't strike me as a gimmick. It strikes me as a ploy to cover up his lower-effort mafia play.

Another thing worth considering with wilgy, as I realized in that post, is that he's been scum in three games near consecutively and lost all three. That's gotta be exhausting. I'm not sure I sense the type of fatigue he exhibited in vocaroo when he neglected to post (granted, that game was a unique beast). He hasn't been tremendously active here, but he's cited a RL reason for that and made off-beat but seemingly sincere contributions when he has been here. I just don't feel like this is scum wilgy for the fourth game in a row.

[speedchuck]

I am not inclined to vote for wilgy. As a loose impression I feel like zany, befuddling wilgy is more apt to be town. In recent memory, I cite Pirates wilgy (town) posting exclusively in emojis vs. Vocaroo/Seinfeld/Mountains wilgy (mafia) who featured no notable gimmicks that I can remember. His blind insistence that I am bad strikes me as a wilgy gimmick.

See, I don't think so. Because Wilgy was helpful with the emoji's, and was reasoned and such. (I know I said the opposite during that game, but I lied. I was mafia.)
This game doesn't strike me as a gimmick. It strikes me as a ploy to cover up his lower-effort mafia play.

Another thing worth considering with wilgy, as I realized in that post, is that he's been scum in three games near consecutively and lost all three. That's gotta be exhausting. I'm not sure I sense the type of fatigue he exhibited in vocaroo when he neglected to post (granted, that game was a unique beast). He hasn't been tremendously active here, but he's cited a RL reason for that and made off-beat but seemingly sincere contributions when he has been here. I just don't feel like this is scum wilgy for the fourth game in a row.

Part of me wants to agree.

Part of me is scared of gambler's fallacy.

[Kylemii]

i know the fact that it's a vote for me in general probably poisons the waters a little but I continue to not like Jack's reasons for voting for me. He keeps coming back to the shiny thing, and citing tone, but also points out things that are regular parts of my townplay.

Kyle I've talked about my tone read and Mac, who I believe to be good and have good instincts, is voting there. Mac's actual case is unconvincing but I've seen Mac make unconvincing cases and been right on the money.

and things like this don't make sense to me. Another player making a case that I found unconvincing on my suspect wouldn't bolster my confidence in that read. I get the impression you don't actually believe in your read on me that much.

i also don't think i even know what "shiny" means anymore

[Made]

Code: Select all

[color=#0080FF] ~ ~ U P D A T E  A L E R T ~ ~ [/color]

I'm not on a train rn
Colorless susbow: tiers are not ordered
S tier:
Made, of course
A tier:
JJJ
Kyle
Quin
Glorf ++
B tier:
Speedchuck
Wilgy
Slooni
C tier:
Jack
Eloh
Long Con [~~]

D tier:
Dave
Marmot
M tier:
Nutella[- -]
Mac

N tier:
sig [~~]
Laps[~~]
Nova [~~]
Tony[~~]
Simon[~~]
GumShoe [~~]
bwt[~~]

--Made's Secretary

[Kylemii]

also.... swearing isn't a stress response for me? I'm 26 and have no real life responsibilities. swearing is a sign of "I feel comfortable speaking freely around people I view as peers", or sometimes that previous thing combined with bewilderment

[Sloonei]

RE: "Design the perfect civilian faction"

Imagine a civilian team in a Mafia game can be categorized into "positions", like you might see on a sports team. In soccer there are forwards, defenders and goalies. In basketball there are fowards, guards, and centers, etc. Consider a civilian team (and if you like a mafia team too, why not), and what those "positions" might be, and how you think they should ideally be arranged to form an optimal civilian roster.

...

1x Goofball -- often civilian factions can genuinely benefit from having someone screwing around a bit (so long as they still attempt to play the game productively). They create a unique and challenging environment for those who already know them to be innocent. More than just one of these though amounts to a significantly less informative thread. Typically low-to-moderate in post count. Example: DrWilgy

This is exactly how I interpret wilgy in this game right now. I don't see a mafia motivation for his actions.

[Made]

RE: "Design the perfect civilian faction"

Imagine a civilian team in a Mafia game can be categorized into "positions", like you might see on a sports team. In soccer there are forwards, defenders and goalies. In basketball there are fowards, guards, and centers, etc. Consider a civilian team (and if you like a mafia team too, why not), and what those "positions" might be, and how you think they should ideally be arranged to form an optimal civilian roster.

...

1x Goofball -- often civilian factions can genuinely benefit from having someone screwing around a bit (so long as they still attempt to play the game productively). They create a unique and challenging environment for those who already know them to be innocent. More than just one of these though amounts to a significantly less informative thread. Typically low-to-moderate in post count. Example: DrWilgy

This is exactly how I interpret wilgy in this game right now. I don't see a mafia motivation for his actions.

this is character assassination

[speedchuck]

speedchuck, tell me of nutella.

I'm fairly occupied today (and will be tomorrow as well) so I'm keeping up with the thread but not putting a lot of time into analysis or anything. I feel better about Quin every time he posts so I don't think I'll be voting there. I haven't gotten the most stellar vibes from LC, speedchuck, or Tony, so I might go with one of those, though the votes are already pretty spread out. Looking at the player list I get the feeling we've only been talking about a subset of players, mostly those who have had more presence in the thread, and naturally most of the higher posters look more townie... idk, day 1 always feels like this and I wish I had more confident thoughts on anyone but I really don't. If I have more time later tonight I might try a rainbow but it'll be mostly yellow.

Glorfindel
MacDougall
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
Made
Kylemii
Quin
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
lapluie
novaselinenever
birdwithteeth11
Dom
Gumshoe
Simon
DrWilgy
Marmot
sig
Dave
speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Long Con

She keeps saying she's waffley in other posts, but I don't see that in her reads. What I do see is a bunch of unsubstantiated reads based on 'vibes'. Even if I agree with some of her reads, I don't recall a single substantiated case from her.

And maybe this is just me being personal, but when I responded to that first post in topic, called her out on player salad, I got nothing. It feels like what we were accusing Made of on D0, but less... genuine?

I recommend ISOing her. Hard to put into words.

[Marmot]

I understand if you don't want to spend more time going into Jay, but for the sake of my read on you I am interested in the reasons you have already used to vote for him.

Who are the other suspects you're most strongly considering?

Call it a mix of initial tone/powerlevel and overreaction to the picking of nits.

I have no reason to think Doc or Eloh are good. (Eloh's standard entrance of "you guys already posted X pages?!? is expected regardless of alignment.) Marmot, Sig go here, too.

Kyle I've talked about my tone read and Mac, who I believe to be good and have good instincts, is voting there. Mac's actual case is unconvincing but I've seen Mac make unconvincing cases and been right on the money.

LC is being voted for by Nutella, who I think is good but I'm unmoved by her case. Jimmy voting here doesn't do much for me and wouldn't even if I was certain he was bad. He's distancing Jack faker outer master. As for LC himself, he's with Eloh and Doc, no reason to think he's good yet. But actually? I don't want to vote for him. I'm decent at reading LC and will be more likely to figure him out later.

Tony falls into the same category as LC. I'll likely figure him out later so why lynch him Day 1?



Basically, take list. Remove people I haven't played with or who haven't checked in and people I have reason to believe are town and two people I think I'll get later.

That leaves a handful of people I know that I don't think much about and Kyle with a bad tone read.

I'd say I've convinced myself to vote Kyle at this point but since I started with the premise of "allow Sloonei to weigh in on my suspect pool" I think I'll do just that.

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE, of where you narrow your suspect pool by removing non-suspects. Problem is, that tends to leave me behind as a "well, I have no reason to think he's good". Not unlike what speedchuck said.

So uh, could you kindly remove me from your list.

[speedchuck]

RE: "Design the perfect civilian faction"

Imagine a civilian team in a Mafia game can be categorized into "positions", like you might see on a sports team. In soccer there are forwards, defenders and goalies. In basketball there are fowards, guards, and centers, etc. Consider a civilian team (and if you like a mafia team too, why not), and what those "positions" might be, and how you think they should ideally be arranged to form an optimal civilian roster.

...

1x Goofball -- often civilian factions can genuinely benefit from having someone screwing around a bit (so long as they still attempt to play the game productively). They create a unique and challenging environment for those who already know them to be innocent. More than just one of these though amounts to a significantly less informative thread. Typically low-to-moderate in post count. Example: DrWilgy

This is exactly how I interpret wilgy in this game right now. I don't see a mafia motivation for his actions.

Do you at least see what I consider to be mafia motivation for his actions? If you see what I'm saying and disagree, I'll shut up. But if you aren't getting it, I can explain again.

I don't feel like this is goofball Wilgy.

[Sloonei]

I am not inclined to vote for wilgy. As a loose impression I feel like zany, befuddling wilgy is more apt to be town. In recent memory, I cite Pirates wilgy (town) posting exclusively in emojis vs. Vocaroo/Seinfeld/Mountains wilgy (mafia) who featured no notable gimmicks that I can remember. His blind insistence that I am bad strikes me as a wilgy gimmick.

See, I don't think so. Because Wilgy was helpful with the emoji's, and was reasoned and such. (I know I said the opposite during that game, but I lied. I was mafia.)
This game doesn't strike me as a gimmick. It strikes me as a ploy to cover up his lower-effort mafia play.

Another thing worth considering with wilgy, as I realized in that post, is that he's been scum in three games near consecutively and lost all three. That's gotta be exhausting. I'm not sure I sense the type of fatigue he exhibited in vocaroo when he neglected to post (granted, that game was a unique beast). He hasn't been tremendously active here, but he's cited a RL reason for that and made off-beat but seemingly sincere contributions when he has been here. I just don't feel like this is scum wilgy for the fourth game in a row.

Part of me wants to agree.

Part of me is scared of gambler's fallacy.

It's not a gambler's fallacy. It's an assessment of what I think wilgy's mindset would be in this game based on recent history. It's not impossible that wilgy could draw four scum cards in a row. But I feel like there is more of a spark to his posts in this game than there have been in those previous games.

[Made]

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE....

oh boi, it isn't PoE time is it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is exactly how I interpret wilgy in this game right now. I don't see a mafia motivation for his actions.
[/quote]

Could be. I'm feeling more cozy with my Mac vote right now anyway.

[speedchuck]

[mention]Marmot[/mention], can you either make or point me to a post of yours that you are proud of? With some tasty OG reads or cool observations, preferably with reasons behind them?

[Marmot]

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE....

oh boi, it isn't PoE time is it?

What's wrong with PoE time? I sense some trepidation from you.

[Made]

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE....

oh boi, it isn't PoE time is it?

What's wrong with PoE time? I sense some trepidation from you.

well it kinda got me killed last game

[Sloonei]

RE: "Design the perfect civilian faction"

Imagine a civilian team in a Mafia game can be categorized into "positions", like you might see on a sports team. In soccer there are forwards, defenders and goalies. In basketball there are fowards, guards, and centers, etc. Consider a civilian team (and if you like a mafia team too, why not), and what those "positions" might be, and how you think they should ideally be arranged to form an optimal civilian roster.

...

1x Goofball -- often civilian factions can genuinely benefit from having someone screwing around a bit (so long as they still attempt to play the game productively). They create a unique and challenging environment for those who already know them to be innocent. More than just one of these though amounts to a significantly less informative thread. Typically low-to-moderate in post count. Example: DrWilgy

This is exactly how I interpret wilgy in this game right now. I don't see a mafia motivation for his actions.

Do you at least see what I consider to be mafia motivation for his actions? If you see what I'm saying and disagree, I'll shut up. But if you aren't getting it, I can explain again.

I don't feel like this is goofball Wilgy.

That he's tunneling me to cover for lazy scum play? I can see it but I disagree with the interpretation at present.
wilgy is not a strong town read and I don't want to give that impression by advocating so much for him. But he is a town read nonetheless, so I don't support him as the top lynch candidate for today. I'm just presenting my argument for him. I'll look into sig right now.

[speedchuck]

RE: "Design the perfect civilian faction"

Imagine a civilian team in a Mafia game can be categorized into "positions", like you might see on a sports team. In soccer there are forwards, defenders and goalies. In basketball there are fowards, guards, and centers, etc. Consider a civilian team (and if you like a mafia team too, why not), and what those "positions" might be, and how you think they should ideally be arranged to form an optimal civilian roster.

...

1x Goofball -- often civilian factions can genuinely benefit from having someone screwing around a bit (so long as they still attempt to play the game productively). They create a unique and challenging environment for those who already know them to be innocent. More than just one of these though amounts to a significantly less informative thread. Typically low-to-moderate in post count. Example: DrWilgy

This is exactly how I interpret wilgy in this game right now. I don't see a mafia motivation for his actions.

Do you at least see what I consider to be mafia motivation for his actions? If you see what I'm saying and disagree, I'll shut up. But if you aren't getting it, I can explain again.

I don't feel like this is goofball Wilgy.

That he's tunneling me to cover for lazy scum play? I can see it but I disagree with the interpretation at present.
wilgy is not a strong town read and I don't want to give that impression by advocating so much for him. But he is a town read nonetheless, so I don't support him as the top lynch candidate for today. I'm just presenting my argument for him. I'll look into sig right now.

Just making sure.
I can see yours too. I just mostly disagree at present.

[Marmot]

Marmot, can you either make or point me to a post of yours that you are proud of? With some tasty OG reads or cool observations, preferably with reasons behind them?

Yes. The one where I call you out for voting for me because you have no reason not to, and also because I voted for nova because I have no reason not to.

[Marmot]

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE....

oh boi, it isn't PoE time is it?

What's wrong with PoE time? I sense some trepidation from you.

well it kinda got me killed last game

I can empathize.

Do you think it's a viable strategy?

[Made]

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE....

oh boi, it isn't PoE time is it?

What's wrong with PoE time? I sense some trepidation from you.

well it kinda got me killed last game

I can empathize.

Do you think it's a viable strategy?

well it kinda got me killed last game lol

[speedchuck]

Marmot, can you either make or point me to a post of yours that you are proud of? With some tasty OG reads or cool observations, preferably with reasons behind them?

Yes. The one where I call you out for voting for me because you have no reason not to, and also because I voted for nova because I have no reason not to.

Well played.

[Marmot]

Mac that yellow pile makes me want to throw up. I want to vomit right now. Actually now I am vomiting. I am puking all over my fingers as I type this. This is so fucking disgusting. I can't believe this is happening. I need to just get up and go to my toilet. I better end this post. Oh my goodness there is puke everywhere.

Why does this post exist?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac that yellow pile makes me want to throw up. I want to vomit right now. Actually now I am vomiting. I am puking all over my fingers as I type this. This is so fucking disgusting. I can't believe this is happening. I need to just get up and go to my toilet. I better end this post. Oh my goodness there is puke everywhere.

Why does this post exist?

I hate null reads, and once in a while even I make a post for fun.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I went looking for the reason why I have a single vote. Here it is:

So I can’t figure out how to ISO him and I’m on mobile so everything might be a little clunky, but basically I was reading Made and Sloonei as w/w. Sloonei talked about Made with others but never directly as far as I can tell, which seems weird.

This is an inaccurate observation. I've talked directly with Made a bunch in this game. Granted, a big chunk of that came after this vote was placed (Starting here), but that doesn't mean I didn't try to engage with Made prior to that. Look here, here, here, and here. I've spent a lot of energy in this game trying to talk to Made, but I was unsuccessful until last night because he simply wasn't in the thread or wasn't giving me the answers I was looking for. But we were both here and he gave me good answers last night.
I talked about Made a lot because I thought he was a good lightning rod for conversation and anyone who was in the thread during Day 0/early Day 1 should have been able to read him in some way.

As for ISOs on mobile, we don't have a direct link to that for some reason. But Epi has updated the player list in Post #3 to include links to all of our ISOs. There is a direct ISO link on the desktop display.

I need to stop letting this game distract me now.

I don’t think it’s really inaccurate. You did present yourself as trying to talk to Made but there wasn’t anything until after I posted that read. That said, I’m inclined to move my vote off you but not until I catch up.

[Sloonei]

I'm here! I'm here! I'm alive.

So I notice there's alot of day 0 talking is it serious or just fluff?

Also wow way to many posts.

Well hello there, looks like I've kinda caught up. So I'm going to post a few thoughts when they're still fresh from my catch up then I've gotta go for a run and will be back to ISO and reread some things later. What I'm seeing right now is we have a major three way smack down going on between Jay, Sloonie and Jack which I still don't really get. Mac is prodding, but as someone pointed out he's acting much more mellow which is odd, quin/kyle have both been under some suspicion which I'm not sure is justified based on there game play/what people are accusing them of and we have a fair amount of new players.
I'm reading Glorf as solid town and a few other players as lean towns who I've already listed. The main issue I'm having right now is that I don't see anyone being scummy.
Kyle had some odd early game posts, but I think has come back from it.
Made and nutella both look okay to me, but I'm curious why she placed me so far down on her list.
I'd like to see some more posts by Wilgy, Eloh, MM, and the newer players I feel like a few posters have the vast majority of posts/content which could let scum wallflower and not be noticed. I also find it odd that Wilgy isn't being as active/odd as he usually is. This could point to him being scum and trying to live longer, but seeing how often he's mislynched I don't think I'd vote for him.
LC is looking good I'd rather not lynch him.
Speed pinged me a bit, but I can't remember why so I'll need to go back and check.

My inclination is say I like this post from sig. It's fairly comprehensive despite him being under the gun a little bit. He's not in an enviable position (announced he'd be inactive at the start in sign-ups, and then this game blew up on Day 0 in his absence), but there's visible effort on his part to work his way into the game. Beyond that, it's hard for me to judge the legitimacy of his reads just yet. I'm not sure I see a reason to lynch him today.

[Sloonei]

I went looking for the reason why I have a single vote. Here it is:

So I can’t figure out how to ISO him and I’m on mobile so everything might be a little clunky, but basically I was reading Made and Sloonei as w/w. Sloonei talked about Made with others but never directly as far as I can tell, which seems weird.

This is an inaccurate observation. I've talked directly with Made a bunch in this game. Granted, a big chunk of that came after this vote was placed (Starting here), but that doesn't mean I didn't try to engage with Made prior to that. Look here, here, here, and here. I've spent a lot of energy in this game trying to talk to Made, but I was unsuccessful until last night because he simply wasn't in the thread or wasn't giving me the answers I was looking for. But we were both here and he gave me good answers last night.
I talked about Made a lot because I thought he was a good lightning rod for conversation and anyone who was in the thread during Day 0/early Day 1 should have been able to read him in some way.

As for ISOs on mobile, we don't have a direct link to that for some reason. But Epi has updated the player list in Post #3 to include links to all of our ISOs. There is a direct ISO link on the desktop display.

I need to stop letting this game distract me now.

I don’t think it’s really inaccurate. You did present yourself as trying to talk to Made but there wasn’t anything until after I posted that read. That said, I’m inclined to move my vote off you but not until I catch up.

where are you in your catch up right now?

[Marmot]

I like your strategy Jack. I support the notion of PoE....

oh boi, it isn't PoE time is it?

What's wrong with PoE time? I sense some trepidation from you.

well it kinda got me killed last game

I can empathize.

Do you think it's a viable strategy?

well it kinda got me killed last game lol

What I'm digging at is this: even though you've been cruelly victimized by this particular strategy of playing mafia, do you think it is a successful tool that can be used to hunt the scummy players and/or would you use it yourself?

Linki: This is what I would expect from you when it comes to making fun posts.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I went looking for the reason why I have a single vote. Here it is:

So I can’t figure out how to ISO him and I’m on mobile so everything might be a little clunky, but basically I was reading Made and Sloonei as w/w. Sloonei talked about Made with others but never directly as far as I can tell, which seems weird.

This is an inaccurate observation. I've talked directly with Made a bunch in this game. Granted, a big chunk of that came after this vote was placed (Starting here), but that doesn't mean I didn't try to engage with Made prior to that. Look here, here, here, and here. I've spent a lot of energy in this game trying to talk to Made, but I was unsuccessful until last night because he simply wasn't in the thread or wasn't giving me the answers I was looking for. But we were both here and he gave me good answers last night.
I talked about Made a lot because I thought he was a good lightning rod for conversation and anyone who was in the thread during Day 0/early Day 1 should have been able to read him in some way.

As for ISOs on mobile, we don't have a direct link to that for some reason. But Epi has updated the player list in Post #3 to include links to all of our ISOs. There is a direct ISO link on the desktop display.

I need to stop letting this game distract me now.

I don’t think it’s really inaccurate. You did present yourself as trying to talk to Made but there wasn’t anything until after I posted that read. That said, I’m inclined to move my vote off you but not until I catch up.

where are you in your catch up right now?

Just finished. Town reading Mac, null reading Kyle. Probably not going to vote either today. I’m gonna go read day 1 of some Maf JOH games because he isn’t giving off what I consider to be “baddie JOH feel” but I wanna make sure.

[Sloonei]

Just finished. Town reading Mac, null reading Kyle. Probably not going to vote either today. I’m gonna go read day 1 of some Maf JOH games because he isn’t giving off what I consider to be “baddie JOH feel” but I wanna make sure.

Cool. I was gonna recommend not bothering to read everything if you had a lot of work to do. Can you elaborate on your town read of Mac?

I look forward to the results of your JOH homework. I value your insight on him more than anyone else's.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Made[/mention] [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] what do you think is the strongest point against Mac right now?

[Marmot]

My suspects at this point (meaning people I'd be willing to lynch): Kylemii, Nutella, LC, marmot, wilgy.

Ask me questions if you want, I'll be home on a keyboard soon

Interesting. Why me?

I've been at a convention all weekend. There are 20 something more pages than before. I'm not catching up. I'm just going to continue to prove that Sloonei is bad and is distancing from Mac. Hazelnut is also bad.

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention], I want to hear how Sloonei is distancing from Mac. Despite listing them both as mafia, and saying they're distancing (or Sloonei is) I don't see any connections you've drawn between the two.

I also want to hear why nutella is bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Made @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think is the strongest point against Mac right now?

His treatment | of Made

[nutella]

She keeps saying she's waffley in other posts, but I don't see that in her reads. What I do see is a bunch of unsubstantiated reads based on 'vibes'. Even if I agree with some of her reads, I don't recall a single substantiated case from her.

And maybe this is just me being personal, but when I responded to that first post in topic, called her out on player salad, I got nothing. It feels like what we were accusing Made of on D0, but less... genuine?

I recommend ISOing her. Hard to put into words.

My reads are usually based on vibes. There is some substance/reasoning behind them but I have a hard time putting them into words or pulling specific posts because it's usually more general/based on their whole body of posts. I don't usually do big quotey iso cases, it's just not how I play.

I'm not sure what you meant about the player salad accusation. The closest I've come to player salad is naming the three players I've gotten the worst vibes from.

[Sloonei]

Personally I would like to ultimately see quin lynched. I feel he is the most compelling lynch and given the volume he has posted if the only good reason anyone has to refute the bad stuff is that he would probably not post as much as a mafia player with bad internet well I disagree and that's an awful reason.

Jimmy. If you were a mafia player who had bad internet and were one of the few players looking lynchable would you post with less frequency than if you were town with bad internet? I feel entirely the opposite and having really thought about it I really question the nature of the analysis from you. Bad look.

This was the post that initiated the big exchange between Mac/Jay/quin, and I didn't love it. Quin was the thread's first substantial suspect, so I could see a hypothetical mafia member trying to seize the opportunity of pushing his mislynch before anything stable materializes. I don't think the reasons Mac gives for doubting him are all that intriguing. I also don't like the way he framed the entire case in the beginning: "Personally I would like to ultimately see quin lynched." Reads like he's already made up his mind on the direction he'd like to see the thread move in and is just trying to push it there.

[speedchuck]

I'm not sure what you meant about the player salad accusation. The closest I've come to player salad is naming the three players I've gotten the worst vibes from.

I'm fairly occupied today (and will be tomorrow as well) so I'm keeping up with the thread but not putting a lot of time into analysis or anything. I feel better about Quin every time he posts so I don't think I'll be voting there. I haven't gotten the most stellar vibes from LC, speedchuck, or Tony, so I might go with one of those, though the votes are already pretty spread out. Looking at the player list I get the feeling we've only been talking about a subset of players, mostly those who have had more presence in the thread, and naturally most of the higher posters look more townie... idk, day 1 always feels like this and I wish I had more confident thoughts on anyone but I really don't. If I have more time later tonight I might try a rainbow but it'll be mostly yellow.

*munches on player salad with a side of nutella*

"These things do not go together yuck"

So you agree, then.

[Kylemii]

Reads like he's already made up his mind on the direction he'd like to see the thread move in and is just trying to push it there.

for any other players i'd see that as a red flag, but is it alignment indicative for MacDougall? he did the same thing with me, and it sounds like this might just be part of his meta