My biggest beef here that I just can't get past is that in yesterday's lynch, no one (except Mac) asked why it was going down the way it did. The person who was lynched had 4 posts, one of which was only an emoji post. Three posts out of 19 pages of content and conversation. That is who was lynched. And after the lynch flip, no one seemed the least bit interested in discussing who voted for the person that flipped civ and why, or what votes looked bad. No one but me. So ask yourselves, why is that? The fact that conversation went immediately back to the same shit they talked about all day yesterday instead of focusing on the new information that could provide new basis of questioning and consideration says to me that at least one of the top three voices in this thread did not want to talk about that vote. And I could see it even being two of the top three with how quickly conversation about the vote was killed after the flip.
Sloonei was right in that my catching up did impact my view of him. I believe I see someone who was/is tunneling on Kyle, incorrectly I believe. And who was in a self preservation mode. I don't think he is the real reason Daisy 1.0 was lynched. My stream of consciousness post doesn't reflect this because that was just taking each post as it came,once I looked at the whole it changed my opinion. I actually agree with Jay's criticism of my thoughts on Sloonei's case. If Sloonei was bad he surely would have abandoned this by now.
Right now my eye is firmly on Jay. He changed his vote with barely any conversation. I just can't get over the fact that Jay voted for me, without any hesitation or discussion about the fact I said I was going to be gone, or that there were plenty of other good suspicions that were rolling around. It just doesn't look good to me at all. And I feel like he was a major contributor to shifting the focus back onto Kyle/Sloonei. his post after I flipped? "Oh well,plenty of time to regroup and review."
And he has not really reviewed anything at all since then. He has done little more than retread old ground. I am super unimpressed with him.
Now I'm about to tinfoil on you all, so bear with me. I am eyeing Epi as his possible partner in the bs. Epi tried to tell me that I was in the thread and I watched Sloonei building a case on me but I didn't say anything. He actually tried to blame me for the fact I didn't post until right as the poll ended. I ask you, does anyone in here think that a civ or a baddie will sit and follow the thread, read a case being thrown at them, watch as the votes start piling on, and just not say anything? Even more, can anyone recall a time I have ever done that? Why would anyone do that?
Consider the two of them together, Day 1 Epi throws major shit at Jay, Jay throws back. They both take these definitive stances in thread, but do either of them vote for the other? Nope. Night 1, both of them do the same again. Each declaring they are going to vote for the other but where are the votes now? Not on either of them. Frankly it reads more like a bromance than real accusations. It looks like fun and games, not serious accusations.
I really believe Jay is bad. I feel that Epi or Sloonei is likely his partner based on how the thread went after Daisy 1.0 died. But I lean Epi on that more than Sloonei. I feel like they are keeping sloonei in this position to be possibly mislynched. I don't feel as confident in the teammates theory as I do about Jay being bad though. I think that is the best place to start.
Here is the way my rainbow currently looks:
Daisy 2.0
Kyle
Mac
Wilgy
Dyslexicon
FZ.
Long Con
Lorab
Marmot
NVN
Sloonei
Speed
Nutella
Epi
Jay
Thoughts on some of my yellows and oranges. Lorab, I guess I don't know why it is others are pinged by there, so I would welcome someone to share it with me. I don't have a read on either her or Marmot. I mean I could gut read Marmot a little higher, but I'm afraid it would be based on his emotional appeals and last time I went with that I lost the game for the civs in Phenon. NVN, nothing to base a read on. If this were a GTH I would say bad but only as a kind of default settting. I would love to hear more from him.
I have said enough about Sloonei. i contemplated whether he was an orange or a red, but I feel like he moved up a notch for me once I was past the initial shock of everything and then had time to read how it all went down. Speedchuck was a toughie, I would go back and forth with nearly every post I read from him. One post I would be like, yeah that sounds very civ minded. Only to be followed by a post that was super shady almost immediately. In the end it was his vote post that put him into the orange bracket for me. I don't like how he tried to avoid responsibility for anything, even the very vote he was placing as he placed it. No, that was shady man. Nutella feels more aggressive and more like baddie nutella to me. Her wanting to come in and vote Epi right off feels unlike her civ play. She is usually more open to hearing cases and information and considering everything. I don't see that here. I find that worrisome.
Dyslexicon, I don't see why so many people are bad reading her. Between her and Mac, everything they were saying was like my gut immediately responded with, yep that is a civ post. I am shocked by how many are finding her bad. I don't know if I have played with her before so is there something I am missing about her meta or something that is making people feel this way?
I've already explained where I am on Kyle. Mac I went back and forth between slight town read and strong town read. I only had trouble because every post he makes regarding things happening in the thread I get. It reads true and he says the stuff i can't understand why no one else is saying. My problem comes with the fact that his words don't line up with his actions. In the end though, I think that is more likely to be how a civ behaves than a baddie. civs may go with their gut in the moment and make a poor choice even if they pointed out the problem before hand. But a baddie is going to want to look consistent, otherwise it makes people question them. Finally Wilgy, this is a complete tone read for me. In a recent game I kept thinking how weird I thought Wilgy was acting, but no one else seemed to think so. I dismissed it and guess who turned out to be bad? Wilgy. I don't get the same vibe from him here and feel really comfortable putting him as a solid green.
I guess the only two left are FZ and LC. IT's kind of funny, I have the same problem with both of them. They seem to really be picking apart how people are wording things. It may be because I have been the one to have how I worded something picked apart. I put very little stock in it, because I think it's rarely an indication of anything. The difference between the two is FZ felt more sincere to me in how she was reading something into Kyle's posts on Day 1. I lean slight town on her. LC I pretty much felt no read on until his case on Speedchuck. Maybe my problem with LC is I don't get him very well, we rarely seem to think alike. When we do I find it reassuring. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not though lol.
Well there you go folks. All my thoughts. From both before I replaced in and up to the present.
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