Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Epignosis]

Wondering if the mafia team is just LC and NVN and this is that easy.

If nova is bad, then that was a noob move.

My only concern is that nova has already demonstrated a...how shall I say...butterfingers of the communication.

[nutella]

nut, is the main thing that you suspect Jay's marmot vote was forced and that the mafia selected one of their own (marmot) to be vote recipient for wifom purposes?

You're several minutes behind buddy. I did think that briefly and do not anymore. I misinterpreted Jay's post. He often just says his hand slipped when he decides to change a vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.

[Kylemii]

nut, is the main thing that you suspect Jay's marmot vote was forced and that the mafia selected one of their own (marmot) to be vote recipient for wifom purposes?

You're several minutes behind buddy. I did think that briefly and do not anymore. I misinterpreted Jay's post. He often just says his hand slipped when he decides to change a vote.

mm! okay

[nutella]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.

Idk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I moved my vote to Sloonei. I do not suspect Sloonei.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I moved my vote to Sloonei. I do not suspect Sloonei.

Actually meh, I put it on NVN.

[Marmot]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.

Idk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.

It's Day 3 though. He only had one read to offer, not two.

And his 10 posts in the last 8 hours compared to a mere 4 posts in the previous 5 days is alarming.

[Epignosis]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.

Idk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.

This isn't Day 1.

I doubt seriously nova was ever blocked.

That means he either missed a PM or a worded his sentence poorly.

[Epignosis]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

I don't think this is a claim for role-based information. He used the word awkwardly to start a sentence ending with a mafia read on LC. It's Syndicate jargon tripping people up.

Idk man, could be that he didn't realize "no infodumping" was in the rules. I think the chance he's Chava is at least worth considering.

This isn't Day 1.

I doubt seriously nova was ever blocked.

That means he either missed a PM or a worded his sentence poorly.

Like I just did.

[Marmot]

Putting my vote on NVN

I also have to leave now. If y'all aren't lynching me, put your votes somewhere where they matter. K thanks!

[Dyslexicon]

I think everyone who thinks LC is scum should vote him. I don't like this recent vote spreading. If we have scum LC we should make sure he's the one to go. Meow.

(I'm really asleep)

[Epignosis]

I think everyone who thinks LC is scum should vote him. I don't like this recent vote spreading. If we have scum LC we should make sure he's the one to go. Meow.

(I'm really asleep)

If you have a civilian LC, it's a wasted Day phase.

If you're satisfied with your vote, fine. I'm going to give the man time to say his piece.

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

*looks at poll*

I think it's best to lynch Marmot. I've been re-reading the thread and my vote will be on him.

[Epignosis]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

*looks at poll*

I think it's best to lynch Marmot. I've been re-reading the thread and my vote will be on him.

[novaselinenever]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

*looks at poll*

I think it's best to lynch Marmot. I've been re-reading the thread and my vote will be on him.

Well sometimes reads and targets changes. I don't know how that would make me scummy. I have 3 votes on me because of this.

[Epignosis]

Your reading and vote changing don't matter to me. Your reasoning does. Tell me about that.

Also, Judge Judy is Jewish. She cares about lots of people's roofs.

[MacDougall]

I honestly could and would vote for any of these three who have votes. I'm going to leave my vote on Marmot for now because I am happy to see any of them lynched and I'd like for him to remain a viable lynch.

Linki: Is the eyeroll because Marmot is good or because you think that post is very maphier?

[Epignosis]

Linki: Is the eyeroll because Marmot is good or because you think that post is very maphier?

Neither. His post says nothing about why his opinions have changed, thereby giving me nothing with which to understand his thought process.

[novaselinenever]

Your reading and vote changing don't matter to me. Your reasoning does. Tell me about that.

Also, Judge Judy is Jewish. She cares about lots of people's roofs.

I don't think I can share more than that at the moment.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think I can share more than that at the moment.

Can you answer this question:

Why would you prefer to lynch Marmot over Long Con?

[Epignosis]

I'm moving to Long Con. I don't believe he's a civilian.

[Spacedaisy]

Alright, well I've been trying to keep up throughout the day while I was working. I took a nap when I got home and accidentally slept for three hours! :eep: I'm here now though, sorry guys. I'm going to try and post my thoughts about the people discussed today.

This day has been weird. Mac posted a request to read something about Marmot a while ago, I didn't at the time but I will go back and do that after I post here. Mainly because I don't quite understand why he is so sure of Marmot. I really haven't felt much of anything about Marmot. So maybe I'm missing something there. I'll post more on him once I read what Mac has said.

I would like to say I suspect Kyle, because everyone seems to think he and I are equally suspicious based on our actions, but I just don't. Everything Kyle says reads like sincere Kyle to me. Lorab's flip didn't change that. And the fact he isn't swung by self preservation just to say "It must be Daisy" either just makes me feel that much more like he is sincere and trying to find actual baddies.

I don't think Mac is bad, despite Marmot's no u. :shrugs:

This leaves me with LC. The thing I can't get past is Epi's case about the vote LC placed yesterday coupled with the fact Lorab didn't vote to save herself. I can't think of a single good reason not to vote to save yourself if you are in a lynch tied with a civ. No one would think less of someone who casts a self preservation vote. So why didn't she?

NVN, I don't know what to think of him. Nothing and then a bunch of posts in self defense. I didn't even think he (? correct me if I am wrong) was even actually playing. I was actually kind of worried the stuff in the early game had driven him off. I would say he would be a second suspect for me, the timing of the sudden activity combined with the voting shenanigans has me questioning. I still think I feel more confident in LC though. I mean if NVN were bad, he could have kept right on laying low and it would have taken a while for PoE to get to him. I don't know. LC is more suspicious to me.

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote on LC and then go back and look at Mac's case again.

*Votes LC*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Now y'all went back to LC before me and I look like the tag-a-long.

[Spacedaisy]

I'm confused, I thought I remembered Mac posting a case he wanted us to read and tell him our opinions on it. But now I can't find it so I am wondering if I have mixed him up with someone else.

[Kylemii]

voting LC cus I just got involved in this cool questline and I don't want to get distracted and miss the vote

though if today is like the other day LC might be getting off work soon so I will try to return and see his defenses.

[MacDougall]

When in Rome

[novaselinenever]

I don't think I can share more than that at the moment.

Can you answer this question:

Why would you prefer to lynch Marmot over Long Con?

It's too late. I'll share it when the day ends.

[Long Con]

LOL... hi everyone. Just got off work, and this is so overwhelming. Everyone came out to see me! Me!

I am not a baddie. I am Civ. I can prove it if you give me one chance.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

LOL... hi everyone. Just got off work, and this is so overwhelming. Everyone came out to see me! Me!

I am not a baddie. I am Civ. I can prove it if you give me one chance.

I moved. By all means, please do your thing. There's an hour, so move fast.

[MacDougall]

LOL... hi everyone. Just got off work, and this is so overwhelming. Everyone came out to see me! Me!

I am not a baddie. I am Civ. I can prove it if you give me one chance.

You have a while. So go ham.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well actually it's 45 minutes now.

[Long Con]

The chance involves the night. Your generosity has to extend to lynching me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

I'm voting NVN right now, because I don't believe a word she's saying. He? She?

[Kylemii]

I would also be willing to change my vote if you can change my mind/bring up a better alternative

[Epignosis]

LOL... hi everyone. Just got off work, and this is so overwhelming. Everyone came out to see me! Me!

I am not a baddie. I am Civ. I can prove it if you give me one chance.

Your chance is now.

The chance involves the night. Your generosity has to extend to lynching me tomorrow if you're not satisfied.

No.

[Long Con]

I would also be willing to change my vote if you can change my mind/bring up a better alternative

NVN is the alternative that I'm most sure of. Maybe I'm not understanding their posts today, but I guarantee NVN has no info on me.

[Epignosis]

I would also be willing to change my vote if you can change my mind/bring up a better alternative

NVN is the alternative that I'm most sure of. Maybe I'm not understanding their posts today, but I guarantee NVN has no info on me.

NVN is the alternative with the most votes.

[Kylemii]

the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

[Long Con]

the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

And neither are you. And yet, I promise that I can prove to at least one person that I'm Civ.

[MacDougall]

So LC you are suggesting we lynch the person with the supposed fake info today.

I'd rather lynch you today and if you civ flip then we question said person? That way we don't lynch a useful civ player like idiots.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I see only one role with the guarantee of being provable (other than those which would render the tally irrelevant), the triple voter. That one shouldn't require tomorrow.

Otherwise it's the BTSC dude, begging a fortunate target -- otherwise no proof.

[MacDougall]

Wait Nova wants to lynch Marmot. I'm confused now. What is this defense even anyway?

[Epignosis]

the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

And neither are you. And yet, I promise that I can prove to at least one person that I'm Civ.

Now you are throwing out a hail Mary to draw out civilian powers you want gone.

I know that trick.

Be gone, Long Con.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wait Nova wants to lynch Marmot. I'm confused now. What is this defense even anyway?

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Interpret that however you may.

[MacDougall]

Jimmy care to do a quick interaction analysis between Long Con and Marmot?

[Long Con]

the only civ way what he's saying is true is if he's Avram and...

A message from Avram:
Kyle and Long Con seem like good places to start.

he's not Avram.

And neither are you. And yet, I promise that I can prove to at least one person that I'm Civ.

Now you are throwing out a hail Mary to draw out civilian powers you want gone.

I know that trick.

Be gone, Long Con.

I don't actually know that trick. I can't recall ever seeing that trick.

Nobody reveal your Civ powers.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jimmy care to do a quick interaction analysis between Long Con and Marmot?

I'm going to take "quick" very literally. Now is not the time to go digging.

[Kylemii]

I see only one role with the guarantee of being provable (other than those which would render the tally irrelevant), the triple voter. That one shouldn't require tomorrow.

Otherwise it's the BTSC dude, begging a fortunate target -- otherwise no proof.

Motel is dead, he's claiming doctor or a doctor's daughter.

[MacDougall]

Jimmy care to do a quick interaction analysis between Long Con and Marmot?

I'm going to take "quick" very literally. Now is not the time to go digging.

No I really do mean quick. Just ctrl f and skim read it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jimmy care to do a quick interaction analysis between Long Con and Marmot?

I'm going to take "quick" very literally. Now is not the time to go digging.

No I really do mean quick. Just ctrl f and skim read it.

They were a bit chummy and silly early in the game. Otherwise the interaction is focused on LC's resistance to your suspicion of Marmot. They're compatible technically, though I do think it'd be a connection LC would entirely expect people to draw.