Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Marmot]

General observation. Sloonei seemed the most nervous of any player at the end of that day phase.

Spacedaisy didn't have much to say either.



Those two players along with nova are Priority 0.

What?

Just offering thoughts as I go.

we only have one scum left. How does that correspond with your trio of suspects? Also where is my alleged nervousness, what woukd I have to be nervous about, and why would that make me bad?

Since when do people limit their suspect pool to the number of players left on the mafia team?

Just from reading the Eod, I noticed a few things. Mac and Dizzy, despite some trepidation, were on board with trusting Epignosis. Their play was light but conveyed excitement in what Epignosis was doing. Jay seemed to understand what was going on (surprise, surprise) and bothered to explain it, and also explain why nova should be cleared. Kyle falls into the same boat as Mac and Dizzy.

Of the players posting in the last 30 minutes of the day, you were the only one who didn't bother responding to my question. Instead after the day ended, you flung some light (and/or joking) accusations my way. Again, I think this lends itself to you being nervous about what's going on.

Wilgy is obviously town.

I don't have a read on FZ. at the moment.



So that leaves you and Spacedaisy. I know I listed nova originally, but that's before Jay revealed what Epignosis was really up to.

[Marmot]

I'm a decent chance to be lynched tomorrow. So I do think it's important to get my thoughts in the thread.


I'm glad Epignosis pulled his little stunt. He managed to clear possibly two players without losing anyone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I might lynch Spacedaisy first.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Spacedaisy entered Day 2 with her targets focused completely on me, largely because I was calm in my reaction to her original mislynch. That's bullshit. And with her targets on me, Dyslexicon was probably ordered to vote for me. Daisy had the setup to lynch me and only had to back out of it when I figured out what was going on.

[Sloonei]

General observation. Sloonei seemed the most nervous of any player at the end of that day phase.

Spacedaisy didn't have much to say either.



Those two players along with nova are Priority 0.

What?

Just offering thoughts as I go.

we only have one scum left. How does that correspond with your trio of suspects? Also where is my alleged nervousness, what woukd I have to be nervous about, and why would that make me bad?

Since when do people limit their suspect pool to the number of players left on the mafia team?

Just from reading the Eod, I noticed a few things. Mac and Dizzy, despite some trepidation, were on board with trusting Epignosis. Their play was light but conveyed excitement in what Epignosis was doing. Jay seemed to understand what was going on (surprise, surprise) and bothered to explain it, and also explain why nova should be cleared. Kyle falls into the same boat as Mac and Dizzy.

Of the players posting in the last 30 minutes of the day, you were the only one who didn't bother responding to my question. Instead after the day ended, you flung some light (and/or joking) accusations my way. Again, I think this lends itself to you being nervous about what's going on.

Wilgy is obviously town.

I don't have a read on FZ. at the moment.



So that leaves you and Spacedaisy. I know I listed nova originally, but that's before Jay revealed what Epignosis was really up to.

if it helps, i do not know what question you're talking about

[Marmot]

Just left a date.

On my phone.

What in the world is happening?

This one.

You did respond to it after the day ended. Sort of.

[Sloonei]

Just left a date.

On my phone.

What in the world is happening?

This one.

You did respond to it after the day ended. Sort of.

Oh. I didn't feel like I was in a position to confidently answer that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay Perhaps I wasn't clear in what the difference was between my first mega post and my second. My first post was literally me just going through and giving my read on each post as it came. Just knee jerk reactions. It was also still very colored by my emotional response to the surprise lynch. The second post was after I could sit back and think on everything, and had time to form some suspicions. The biggest thing in my mind at that time was that I felt the thread was being directed. And of the people who I thought seemed to be doing that were you and Epi, add that into the fact you two seem to be dancing very loudly around each other all freaking game, yet never seemed to really want to lynch each other. It just looked really suspect to me.

*prolonged fart noise*

"JJJ and Epignosis screamed and yelled at each other but did not lynch each other outright. Teammates."

This is fake tinfoil.

"I felt the thread was being directed."

This is meaningless.

Lynch DaveDaisy.

[FZ.]

I'm for lynching Daisy more than Marmot at the moment.

Sorry I wasn't around to react to all that craziness. I'm trying to figure out what was Dyslexicon's issue. She keeps throwing out these bombastic statements claiming we should be focused, we should be serious and stay on target and whatever. I can't remember. If I have time I'll go look for it. But they are all sort of empty. There's no real content in them. What's that about? And then, her reaction to Epi during his shtick, was also weird. In the small chance we're way off with Marmot or Daisy, maybe it's worth looking into her again. I know there's the whole Lorab thing, and I don't remember exactly what went on with that, but is it really impossible they were putting distance between each other?

[Spacedaisy]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] I don't understand what you mean by what you've said about me. I came in with my suspicion of you and then Epi came in yelling we need consensus and FZ moved to NVN and I said if that's what everyone else wanted I would go with it, but that I still felt like you bwere a better option. And then basically followed what Epi asked me to do. What did you want or expect me to say. It was clear there was some fuckery going on but what was I supposed to say about it?

[mention]FZ.[/mention] I have never ever made any such statements and it boggles my mind that you would even claim that. I recommend you read my stuff again before you come back and come up with a better case than that because it's flat out false. Regarding Epi's schtick, what was weird? I pretty much tried to give him latitude to do what he needed to because at this point I have no reason not to trust him.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] You want to lynch me next that's fine. It will only waste one lynch. But I would urge you to lynch Marmot next because I really believe you'll find your final baddie there. I've already addressed this point against me so I'm not going to rehash old ground. You do what you need to, and if it means lynching me to narrow PoE, so be it.

[FZ.]

@Marmot I don't understand what you mean by what you've said about me. I came in with my suspicion of you and then Epi came in yelling we need consensus and FZ moved to NVN and I said if that's what everyone else wanted I would go with it, but that I still felt like you bwere a better option. And then basically followed what Epi asked me to do. What did you want or expect me to say. It was clear there was some fuckery going on but what was I supposed to say about it?

@FZ. I have never ever made any such statements and it boggles my mind that you would even claim that. I recommend you read my stuff again before you come back and come up with a better case than that because it's flat out false. Regarding Epi's schtick, what was weird? I pretty much tried to give him latitude to do what he needed to because at this point I have no reason not to trust him.

@JaggedJimmyJay You want to lynch me next that's fine. It will only waste one lynch. But I would urge you to lynch Marmot next because I really believe you'll find your final baddie there. I've already addressed this point against me so I'm not going to rehash old ground. You do what you need to, and if it means lynching me to narrow PoE, so be it.

I was talking about Dyslexicon, not you. What are you referring to?

[Sloonei]

I could vote for Daisy tomorrow. Her tone in all her posts yesterday read like a baddie trying to stay away from controversy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If everybody who says "go ahead and lynch me, we'll still be fine" is truthful and we listen to that, we'll lose the game. :suspicious:

[Spacedaisy]

@Marmot I don't understand what you mean by what you've said about me. I came in with my suspicion of you and then Epi came in yelling we need consensus and FZ moved to NVN and I said if that's what everyone else wanted I would go with it, but that I still felt like you bwere a better option. And then basically followed what Epi asked me to do. What did you want or expect me to say. It was clear there was some fuckery going on but what was I supposed to say about it?

@FZ. I have never ever made any such statements and it boggles my mind that you would even claim that. I recommend you read my stuff again before you come back and come up with a better case than that because it's flat out false. Regarding Epi's schtick, what was weird? I pretty much tried to give him latitude to do what he needed to because at this point I have no reason not to trust him.

@JaggedJimmyJay You want to lynch me next that's fine. It will only waste one lynch. But I would urge you to lynch Marmot next because I really believe you'll find your final baddie there. I've already addressed this point against me so I'm not going to rehash old ground. You do what you need to, and if it means lynching me to narrow PoE, so be it.

I was talking about Dyslexicon, not you. What are you referring to?

LOL, then your post was super unclear to me when I read it. i even read it twice at a total loss for where you would get that idea from about me. Disregard. It makes total sense if you were talking about Dizzy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Daisy, can you briefly summarize why you're confident that Marmot is our guy?

[Spacedaisy]

I am concerned. I just went back and looked over Marmot and yesterday he was hard after Mac for a while, but then when NVN started his silliness he changed gears not immediately but slowly, since then he has pretty much abandoned Mac, with little mention and no indication he had changed his mind that I could see. At first he seemed inclined to dismiss what NVN said. But it seemed he took it more seriously as it became more talked about. Then he comes in today and makes an assertion I have never seen before from him. It worries me that I might be wrong about him being 3P and he's riding the wave of anti-NVN sentiment.

@Marmot Have you changed your opinion of Mac? I take it you believe LC vs. NVN yesterday was late distancing?

This was the first post he addressed to the NVN situation:

Spoiler: show

Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.

For some reason I believe this. I'm gullible.

I feel similarly.

A follow-up from Long Con would help this read.

This was the second:

Spoiler: show

But actually real talk why is Nova voting LC? See, I thought Nova was our info role, but I had also considered the possibility that he's LC's teammate trying some hardcore bussing strategy. That would be pretty wild and daring but like... if he knows LC is bad why isn't he voting for LC? Does he think the 3p is a bigger threat at the moment?

I've voting novacaine for this same reason.

If I'm a third party, why vote for me?

I thought perhaps something had changed in the conversation around NVN during that time, but nothing did. In fact it doesn't seem to have been discussed aside from the one post from nutella that he quoted. The only thing of note aside from that post that changed was Jay's "oopsie" vote for Marmot.

Interestingly, he does try to undermine the PoE by shaking at the people getting universal town reads too.

But I've got a solid gut feeling that one of the more perceptive players in this game is the other mafia member. In that shortlist, I would include MacDougall, Jay, and Sloonei.

Any idea what gives you that vibe?

Your oopsie.

And then this:

Spoiler: show

Wondering if the mafia team is just LC and NVN and this is that easy.

Here have a vote.

Why is that easy? Why would nova come into the thread, suggest info on his teammate, and vote for someone he think is independent?

/quote]

But he came in today with a confident assertion that NVN is bad. It just worries me that I've misread him.

linki @JaggedJimmyJay I have never seen him or anyone make the assertion NVN was forced to make a case against Marmot.

This sums up where my concern comes from. On a day when it was looking like a certain lynch of NVN, it just really looked like he was banking on the anti-NVN sentiment. And his behavior in the previous lynch didn't add up.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Marmot[/mention]

What is your read on MacDougall?

[FZ.]

@Marmot I don't understand what you mean by what you've said about me. I came in with my suspicion of you and then Epi came in yelling we need consensus and FZ moved to NVN and I said if that's what everyone else wanted I would go with it, but that I still felt like you bwere a better option. And then basically followed what Epi asked me to do. What did you want or expect me to say. It was clear there was some fuckery going on but what was I supposed to say about it?

@FZ. I have never ever made any such statements and it boggles my mind that you would even claim that. I recommend you read my stuff again before you come back and come up with a better case than that because it's flat out false. Regarding Epi's schtick, what was weird? I pretty much tried to give him latitude to do what he needed to because at this point I have no reason not to trust him.

@JaggedJimmyJay You want to lynch me next that's fine. It will only waste one lynch. But I would urge you to lynch Marmot next because I really believe you'll find your final baddie there. I've already addressed this point against me so I'm not going to rehash old ground. You do what you need to, and if it means lynching me to narrow PoE, so be it.

I was talking about Dyslexicon, not you. What are you referring to?

LOL, then your post was super unclear to me when I read it. i even read it twice at a total loss for where you would get that idea from about me. Disregard. It makes total sense if you were talking about Dizzy.

And what do you think about it?

[Spacedaisy]

I think I have never felt like Dizzy was acting out of anything but a civ mind set, she seemed frustrated more than anything else. And if she were bad she would probably have used the opportunity for Epi acting crazy to try and make him look bad, but she didn't. So I don't see her very loud cries for consensus as any reason to suspect her, Why do you find them suspicious?

[FZ.]

I think I have never felt like Dizzy was acting out of anything but a civ mind set, she seemed frustrated more than anything else. And if she were bad she would probably have used the opportunity for Epi acting crazy to try and make him look bad, but she didn't. So I don't see her very loud cries for consensus as any reason to suspect her, Why do you find them suspicious?

I wouldn't if I wasn't feeling like I'm running out of options.
I actually think blaming Epi for the craziness would have just made her look bad. If she is bad, she would have to use a tactic that was sort of a plea to hear her.
Meh, maybe it's far fetched. I don't know if I'm convincing myself. But if it's not her, it's either you or Marmot

[FZ.]

Tomorrow I will not be here for most of the day, so I'll have to vote early. I would really like us to decide tonight on who we're going to vote for, so I don't end up messing the vote.

[MacDougall]

I'm also not here. Let's lynch Marmot please.

[Dyslexicon]

FZ. If you're doubting, can you just ISO me? I left my vote on Lorab early D1 cause she ended up being the lynch I believed in the most. Also, do you think I've been acting strange and freaking out for the hell of it? Lol no. I'm clearly town, and also very fabulous if I may say so myself.

[Kylemii]

FZ. If you're doubting, can you just ISO me? I left my vote on Lorab early D1 cause she ended up being the lynch I believed in the most. Also, do you think I've been acting strange and freaking out for the hell of it? Lol no. I'm clearly town, and also very fabulous if I may say so myself.

hey this actually seems like a pretty good idea?

if everyone wouldn't mind re-explaining their own physical and verbal actions as well as the actions of the late long con and lost rabbi that they think would decrease their probability of being in cahoots, I would greatly appreciate it.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?

Stubborn civilian.

[novaselinenever]

@Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?

Stubborn civilian.

Why were you voting him up then ?

[MacDougall]

@Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?

Stubborn civilian.

Lol stubborn because I still think you are bad? Most of the players think you are bad.

[MacDougall]

FZ. If you're doubting, can you just ISO me? I left my vote on Lorab early D1 cause she ended up being the lynch I believed in the most. Also, do you think I've been acting strange and freaking out for the hell of it? Lol no. I'm clearly town, and also very fabulous if I may say so myself.

I'm also town. You can tell by hacking my password and checking my role pm. Given Jimmy manually reset my password for me and knows it I presume he has confirmation on my town status so I am confirmed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?

Stubborn civilian.

Why were you voting him up then ?

Because I used to think otherwise.

I've stated already why I changed my mind on MacDougall.

[Marmot]

@Marmot

What is your read on MacDougall?

Stubborn civilian.

Lol stubborn because I still think you are bad? Most of the players think you are bad.

What's your point?

[Marmot]

I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

Lol ok

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

Lol ok

What if I were to tell you that I suspect you killed nutella and are now engaging in tinfoil salad because you wish to undermine the POE process which has you stuck in the crosshairs?

[Epignosis]

Tomorrow I will not be here for most of the day, so I'll have to vote early. I would really like us to decide tonight on who we're going to vote for, so I don't end up messing the vote.

Relax. Unfortunately a consensus is not necessary tonight.

[Marmot]

I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

Lol ok

What if I were to tell you that I suspect you killed nutella and are now engaging in tinfoil salad because you wish to undermine the POE process which has you stuck in the crosshairs?

I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.

I know you said you've already told us why you read Mac as a civilian now. I looked back at your recent posts and it wasn't clear, so could you please expand or summarize again?

[Epignosis]

I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

Lol ok

What if I were to tell you that I suspect you killed nutella and are now engaging in tinfoil salad because you wish to undermine the POE process which has you stuck in the crosshairs?

I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.

What do you think was the purpose of my "wild maneuver?"

I'd like anyone else to answer too.

[Marmot]

I’m back to Marmot as the lead vote.

Lol ok

What if I were to tell you that I suspect you killed nutella and are now engaging in tinfoil salad because you wish to undermine the POE process which has you stuck in the crosshairs?

I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.

What do you think was the purpose of my "wild maneuver?"

I'd like anyone else to answer too.

I already stated what I think, as an accordance with what Jay said.

[Marmot]

I'd take that assertion and toss it in the trash with every other accusation I've seen this game.

I asked to be lynched today. Epignosis instead pulled some wild maneuver that stopped that from happening. So don't give me this crap about what you think I did last night when you wasted that opportunity.

I know you said you've already told us why you read Mac as a civilian now. I looked back at your recent posts and it wasn't clear, so could you please expand or summarize again?

My point about Mac (and Dizzy) was that I thought that they responded naturally to Epignosis's stunt.

[Epignosis]

Who IS this guy?

Poll ended at Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:15 amPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Daisy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dizzy
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epi
3
19%


Voters: Spacedaisy, novaselinenever, Sloonei

FZ
0
No votes


Voters: None

JJJ
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kyle
0
No votes


Voters: None

Mac
0
No votes


Voters: None

Marmot
0
No votes


Voters: None

NVN
3
19%


Voters: DrWilgy, Marmot, FZ.

Sloonei
0
No votes


Voters: None

Wilgy
5
31%


Voters: Epignosis, JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, Kylemii, Dyslexicon

AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA! (Host/dead/non)
5
31%


Voters: lapluie, speedchuck, LoRab, nutella, DFaraday


Total votes: 16

[Epignosis]

I'm a decent chance to be lynched tomorrow. So I do think it's important to get my thoughts in the thread.


I'm glad Epignosis pulled his little stunt. He managed to clear possibly two players without losing anyone.

You don't sound glad.

[Epignosis]

"Clear possibly" is an oxymoron.

You ain't cleared if there's a possibility you bad.

[Marmot]

Epi
3
19%


Voters: Spacedaisy, novaselinenever, Sloonei

Marmot
0
No votes


Voters: None

NVN
3
19%


Voters: DrWilgy, Marmot, FZ.

Wilgy
5
31%


Voters: Epignosis, JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, Kylemii, Dyslexicon

[Epignosis]

None of that means anything to me.

[Marmot]

I'm a decent chance to be lynched tomorrow. So I do think it's important to get my thoughts in the thread.


I'm glad Epignosis pulled his little stunt. He managed to clear possibly two players without losing anyone.

You don't sound glad.

Well then fucking lynch me so I can sound dead.

[Epignosis]

I'm a decent chance to be lynched tomorrow. So I do think it's important to get my thoughts in the thread.


I'm glad Epignosis pulled his little stunt. He managed to clear possibly two players without losing anyone.

You don't sound glad.

Well then fucking lynch me so I can sound dead.

Okay.

[Epignosis]

Not tomorrow though, right?

[Marmot]

Not tomorrow though, right?

I'd prefer tomorrow.

[Epignosis]

Not tomorrow though, right?

I'd prefer tomorrow.

Can't do it. Sorry. Someone else has to go first.