Buffy the Vampire Slayer: At the Hellmouth (End Game)

[Black Rock]

The lynch posts last line has been edited in. I expect a lot more participation than I got.

[Kylemii]

I voted Angelous cause I watched his show a bit.

Maybe that's a bad idea since he's in this game and bad.

Dark Willow a bad choice for similar reasons. Who is a better choice Buffy watchers?

what similar reasons make willow seem like a bad choice?

you watched angel but not buffy? :-?

[Kylemii]

With just over 50 percent of voters, punishments will apply. +1 vote on day 2 to any player who did not vote.

we need to keep this in mind tomorrow

[Jackofhearts2005]

I voted Angelous cause I watched his show a bit.

Maybe that's a bad idea since he's in this game and bad.

Dark Willow a bad choice for similar reasons. Who is a better choice Buffy watchers?

what similar reasons make willow seem like a bad choice?

you watched angel but not buffy? :-?

What if it gives her a penalty for the day?

Someone else in the house watched something that was on before or after Angel so I watched it a bit. Maybe Charmed? Terrible show.

[Kylemii]

I voted Angelous cause I watched his show a bit.

Maybe that's a bad idea since he's in this game and bad.

Dark Willow a bad choice for similar reasons. Who is a better choice Buffy watchers?

what similar reasons make willow seem like a bad choice?

you watched angel but not buffy? :-?

What if it gives her a penalty for the day?

Someone else in the house watched something that was on before or after Angel so I watched it a bit. Maybe Charmed? Terrible show.

but what's similar about the reason? "what if it gives her a penalty" is the opposite reason

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay. You caught me. I'm bad and those things aren't similar.

[nutella]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn bad.

[nutella]

Oh, you think voting Dark Willow might affect her independently of the fact that Tara died... eh. Maybe, but I don't think it would be bad. I guess I could be wrong.

[lapluie]

What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

[MacDougall]

I'd like to bitch about the result but I didn't even realise the day was ending so ...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh, you think voting Dark Willow might affect her independently of the fact that Tara died... eh. Maybe, but I don't think it would be bad. I guess I could be wrong.

It supposedly does something.

Having never played in a RockCon game, idk what something that could be.

[Kylemii]

.....dark willow might be too obvious of an answer actually

[Ambray]

Just posting quickly from class, sorry I missed the vote - I literally fell asleep at my laptop last night and woke up this morning with the forum still open, haha.
Oops.

Will catch up later.

[juliets]

Buffy watchers I need your help on the night poll. I don't know what any of these choices mean. I'll google the options to get an idea but that may not give me the full flavor of the selection. Angelus seems popular so far - can anyone tell me why?

[S~V~S]

[quote=nutella post_id=404172 time=1517807235 user_id=262]
Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

[S~V~S]

Fixed

Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn Jackofhearts2005

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

[S~V~S]

What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Drive by voting is generally considered a baddie tell. Some people hate being baddies, and are almost afraid to post. I played once with a woman who was petrified of posting when she was bad, and she basically gave up before the game even started; she threw in the towel when she got her PM. There might be other reasons for drive bys being bad, but "I don't know what to say" is generally not a civvie thing. I would have liked to have given him another day, but had he continued in that vein, I prolly would have voted for him tomorrow rather than for you again.

Have any thoughts on the game?

[S~V~S]

ebwop, I think the people who voted for him were pretty clear; did you read their posts explaining why they voted for him?

[sig]

Just popping in before class, I forgot to switch my vote off of Mac sorry bout that. I'll catch up and post my thoughts this afternoon.

Also HA first Super Bowl win ever that's revenge for 2005.

[speedchuck]

My game is over and MK is close to over, so I'll be able to keep up now.

Should have just voted randomly yeesh.

Can someone TLDR me why Loop was lynched?

[S~V~S]

This:

What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Drive by voting is generally considered a baddie tell. Some people hate being baddies, and are almost afraid to post. I played once with a woman who was petrified of posting when she was bad, and she basically gave up before the game even started; she threw in the towel when she got her PM. There might be other reasons for drive bys being bad, but "I don't know what to say" is generally not a civvie thing. I would have liked to have given him another day, but had he continued in that vein, I prolly would have voted for him tomorrow rather than for you again.

Have any thoughts on the game?

And becasue only 11 people voted, and there was barely any discussion.

[Ambray]

I'm going to vote for the first because how do you compete with the original - plus that is one of the options that isn't actually a role.

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

[timmer]

I'm having a hard time figuring out this big bad poll. On the surface it absolutely is a simple list of the big bads. But if polls mean "something", how to decipher a poll in which many of the characters listed are roles in the game, but a few aren't? I think it would be simplistic to vote for Dark Willow because Dark Willow isn't in the game, for instance. But how to judge what the poll would do? Anyone have a hunch?

As it is, I'll vote for Angelus because he was so good in that season but if someone has input into a better option Ill slide my vote.

[Tranq]

@ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?
Tara's vote counts double, and Loop voted for DrWilgy.

The lynch poll ends at 5am my time. As for my vote, i'm considering players that didn't vote in the night poll:

DFaraday
DrWilgy
Illyria
Jackofhearts2005

Or rabbit

tranq sdid you explain why missing the d0 poll would be symptomatic of mafia behavior, or is it a participation thing, or is it actually an excuse to vote for rabbit

If missing a poll indicates mafia behaviour, half the players in this game would be bad. I'm happy with my rabbit vote
Timezones are a bitch. I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

This new night poll - I'm feeling tired and lazy tbh. Not really in the mood to research 7 villains. I'll just go with Dark Willow.

[speedchuck]

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

[Long Con]

@ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

There may have been a tie. Not all factors that could affect the lynch outcome are necessarily public, so I can't answer that.

[S~V~S]

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

What's wrong with people who voted discussing how they would have voted after a mislynch? It would be suspicious had they said they would NOT have voted for him. Like I said, had he not been lynched yesterday, I likely would have voted for Loop tomorrow if he kept up the same behavior.

[Tranq]

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

I didn't see a question asked. Just my thoughts on the lynch after reading the new posts.

@ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

There may have been a tie. Not all factors that could affect the lynch outcome are necessarily public, so I can't answer that.

The story didn't make it sound like there was a tie. If i remember well, LC story posts usually mention this.

If there wasn't one, it could be because DrWilgy is Angelus and several of his votes got deflected.
Or because Darla is one of the Loop voters.
Or because Dawn Summers used a -1 or a +1
Or because of secrets.

Thoughts?

[speedchuck]

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

What's wrong with people who voted discussing how they would have voted after a mislynch? It would be suspicious had they said they would NOT have voted for him. Like I said, had he not been lynched yesterday, I likely would have voted for Loop tomorrow if he kept up the same behavior.

Nothing is wrong with people discussing how they would have voted... other than the fact that they know the result now, so anything they say is going to be skewed toward protecting their image. But aside from that...

I suppose I should have been more specific. Is someone suspecting the Loop voters? Because both Ambray and Tranq are defending the Loop voters unprompted, and I want an explanation for it.

I also want to know why Tranq basically copied Ambray's post.

Please let Tranq and Ambray answer my prod.

linki: Well there's an unsatisfying sort-of-almost-answer

[S~V~S]

I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

[Tranq]

I copied her post?

[speedchuck]

@ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

There may have been a tie. Not all factors that could affect the lynch outcome are necessarily public, so I can't answer that.

The story didn't make it sound like there was a tie. If i remember well, LC story posts usually mention this.

If there wasn't one, it could be because DrWilgy is Angelus and several of his votes got deflected.
Or because Darla is one of the Loop voters.
Or because Dawn Summers used a -1 or a +1
Or because of secrets.

Thoughts?

I think Long Con is smart enough not to give away role abilities through flavor text. Unless he wants to. And clearly, since he refused to answer your question, he doesn't want us to know.

So I don't have many thoughts on those roles. Only the one: If Darla caused the lynch, then Darla made a mistake. Doublevoters that want to hide their role generally try not to vote in a tie.

linkis, I'll get to them.

[S~V~S]

... unless the vote hider is one of the people in the tie.

[speedchuck]

I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

You are straw-manning my questions for no reason. Of course I don't think discussing results is suspicious.

But sure, I'll include you. I think having three people jump in and defend people on the loop wagon unprompted is weird. I think the way that Ambray, Tranq, and you worded it is weird. I, myself, do not see the lynch as reason to suspect the Loop voters. But I wouldn't say that unless asked, or if there were people campaigning to lynch the Loop voters. It's a non-statement, a dismissal of an argument that wasn't being made. And it's not hunting.

So I'm opening up a line of dialogue/pressure/suspicion on Tranq and Ambray, and your mother bear instincts have included you.

What prompted you to defend the Loop voters?

[speedchuck]

I copied her post?

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Not literally, no. Was this coincidental? Did you read Ambray's post before posting?

[Tranq]

You mean the 2nd to last post made before i posted? Yes i read it, i agree with it. Those are my thoughts on what happened with the lynch. Not sure why you feel unsatisfied about that.

[Ambray]

What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Can someone TLDR me why Loop was lynched?

Following these 2 posts and SVS's subsequent answers, I thought it a fairly relevant topic to speak about Loop.

I know one of my first questions to people who missed the vote is who would've they gone for. Of course it's going to be a skewed answer in retrospect, but it can sometimes be telling in itself how they answer.
Even if so many others hadn't missed it, I would still give an answer without prompting because I think it's only fair.

I don't think it's odd that Tranq spoke about it either.

[Tranq]

I think Long Con is smart enough not to give away role abilities through flavor text. Unless he wants to. And clearly, since he refused to answer your question, he doesn't want us to know.

I tried to find examples of LC story posts that mention ties but couldn't find any at first glance. I'm sure they've happened before. Anyone rememnber any?

[S~V~S]

I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

You are straw-manning my questions for no reason. Of course I don't think discussing results is suspicious.

But sure, I'll include you. I think having three people jump in and defend people on the loop wagon unprompted is weird. I think the way that Ambray, Tranq, and you worded it is weird. I, myself, do not see the lynch as reason to suspect the Loop voters. But I wouldn't say that unless asked, or if there were people campaigning to lynch the Loop voters. It's a non-statement, a dismissal of an argument that wasn't being made. And it's not hunting.

So I'm opening up a line of dialogue/pressure/suspicion on Tranq and Ambray, and your mother bear instincts have included you.

What prompted you to defend the Loop voters?

First, I am not straw manning anything, that is how you are acting in my opinion. You may think I am mountain/molehilling, but you don't know me very well. Minutiae is my thing

And the defense is because only 11 people voted, they voted for a reasonable reason and discussing results like this is also normal. "Oh, that's too bad, I would have done it too". It is a statement of whether or not you find the people who voted to mislynch a person suspicious. Plus it would appear that all of the people who did vote for Loop were from the same Mafia culture.

Plus, if I am going to be honest, it annoyed me a tad that someone who missed the vote is seeming to be trying to make a something out of a nothing. Totally no offense meant . Just being honest. And yeah, Momma Bear. We did not play much together; I am surprised you are aware of this aspect of my personality.

Linki @ Tranq, not off hand. I seem to recall that tying in their games was bad, but could I be thinking of someone else?

[speedchuck]

I feel like I'm confronting a hivemind.

"I don't suspect those voters."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I would have voted loop too."
"Is that suspicious to you?"
"Why don't you want to discuss things?"
"Would you rather them have said the opposite?"
"Why aren't you satisfied?"


Someone save me!

[S~V~S]

ebwop, Actually, it looks like everyone who VOTED at all was from the same Mafia culture, except sig.

[speedchuck]

Plus, if I am going to be honest, it annoyed me a tad that someone who missed the vote is seeming to be trying to make a something out of a nothing. Totally no offense meant . Just being honest. And yeah, Momma Bear. We did not play much together; I am surprised you are aware of this aspect of my personality.

I was busy yesterday. Church, running a game, DnD... etc. But when something feels out of place, I'm happy to call it out.

I don't remember where I learned about your personality. It was in some off-topic thread.

[S~V~S]

I feel like I'm confronting a hivemind.

"I don't suspect those voters."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I would have voted loop too."
"Is that suspicious to you?"
"Why don't you want to discuss things?"
"Would you rather them have said the opposite?"
"Why aren't you satisfied?"


Someone save me!

Welcome to Lostpedia. We have Fish Biscuits

[Ambray]

[lapluie]

Those are some strange looking biscuits

[speedchuck]

. . . okay I might like a biscuit.

[juliets]

Ambray and speed I appreciate your explanations for why you didn't vote. I'd like to know from everyone who didn't vote the reasons why they didn't. Love the biscuits!

[nutella]

Fixed

Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn Jackofhearts2005

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

I have no idea. I didn't play that game. I think I remember hearing about WIllow turning bad in it, but was there no indication at all of some secret aspect of her role? I guess the hosts would want to be very sneaky about that. I suppose it's possible.

[nutella]

I'm not seeing what speed is seeing tbh. I think Ambray's and Tranq's comments were completely reasonable to say after these events and especially in the context of the discussion -- speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched" and then SVS explained some of the reasoning, and then some people who missed the vote added that they thought the reasons for voting loop seemed valid at the time and they probably would have gone along with it. Nothing wrong with that.

Heck, I voted Wilgy and I don't blame the Loop voters. I was almost convinced by Lorab's theory that he was a baddie who found out House of Wax was the option for his team and drive-by voted... though on the other hand I think it's pretty rare nowadays for teams to just be told that a certain night poll option benefits them, but still even without that the drive-by vote without posting could be indicative of a nervous baddie (in this case I think it was just a nervous/overwhelmed new player unfamiliar with our ways)

[speedchuck]

speed, both you and lap came in saying "why the heck was loop lynched"

Did Lap do that? They might have been defensive toward that.

I wasn't flinging suspicion with my question. I just wasn't here. I didn't want defense, just an answer.