Buffy the Vampire Slayer: At the Hellmouth (End Game)

[Kylemii]

Willow (or do witches count as humans?)

if they go by the same rules as they do in the show then willow is probably safe to cross off the list. Witches are basically just humans who read the right blogs. Also according to the wiki, Willow was actually the first person the chip prevented Spike from attacking.

[MacDougall]

If that's the case then it's basically worst case scenario is he killed a civ that seems to have anti-town potential.

[Marmot]

Night 1 has ended.

Jackofhearts was killed by the Vampires.

Marmot has been killed by Spike.

Timmer has been killed by Riley.

DrWilgy has been killed by Glory.

It is now Day 2, you have 24 hours to lynch somebody.

I only just got here...

[MacDougall]

You're supposed to say rezz plz.

[Kylemii]

If that's the case then it's basically worst case scenario is he killed a civ that seems to have anti-town potential.

Anya is a demon or.... ex demon? so she could probably be killed by spike, also Dawn was like.... a cosmic entity made into human form, i don't remember if spike was able to hurt her.

chance seems good that spike hit an indy or mafia.

[MacDougall]

Oh ok I just quickly google searched and figured they were humans.

[Kylemii]

I don't really know for sure if Dawn counts as a human in terms of Spikes brain thingy.

[lapluie]

Wicked stuff

[nutella]

Oh my god what a wild bloodbath

Riley Finn - As part as the Initiative, he is looking to catch all Demons. He is looking for Adam in particular. Riley will choose a player each night, and when he finds a vampire or demon, they will be blocked. If Riley chooses Adam, Adam will be killed.

Wow good shot...

Holy crap....

[timmer]

well damn.

[nutella]

ok yeah Marmot could have been Anya or Oz or otherwise a baddie or indy

[Tranq]

I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

I didn't see a question asked. Just my thoughts on the lynch after reading the new posts.

@ Hosts: Was the lynch a tie?

There may have been a tie. Not all factors that could affect the lynch outcome are necessarily public, so I can't answer that.

The story didn't make it sound like there was a tie. If i remember well, LC story posts usually mention this.

If there wasn't one, it could be because DrWilgy is Angelus and several of his votes got deflected.
Or because Darla is one of the Loop voters.
Or because Dawn Summers used a -1 or a +1
Or because of secrets.

Thoughts?

Possible explanation for why Glory killed Wilgy? Maybe Glory is playing pro-civ and took a shot at Angelus?

Maybe, but if Angelus gets targeted for an NK, Darla dies instead. Which means unless anything weird happened, DrWilgy (and Marmot) are not Angelus.

[Tranq]

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] I see you posting in another game but not in this one. What do you think?

[juliets]

Oh my gosh, so much death. I feel better about it after reading through Macs analysis though. Mac, Jack did post.

[juliets]

Dang, I missed a whole page of posts.

[S~V~S]

Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Night 1 has ended.

Jackofhearts was killed by the Vampires.

Marmot has been killed by Spike.

Timmer has been killed by Riley.

DrWilgy has been killed by Glory.

It is now Day 2, you have 24 hours to lynch somebody.

I only just got here...

Bloodier than a Realms game...

[Tranq]

SVS, are you still looking at lapluie because she doesn't have any thoughts yet? What do you think of her reply to your question?

Any thoughts about the game lapluie?

nothing really so drastic or anything of use to say other than I'm just observing everyone & everything that has been coming up, having neutral vibes off so far, as I cannot read players well given that I don't know many of you yet, so yep.

[S~V~S]

One last thought, we need to be super careful due to Calebs role about doing too much vote spreading.

Caleb - Caleb is a human who has been supernaturally endowed with power by the First Evil, whom he serves. Once each night, he can choose one of four abilities: cast a misinformation aura, causing all info roles to give false results; protect himself; give himself -5 votes in the following lynch; use the power of a dead player. Caleb must use each of these abilities across each four-night period.

linki, Yes, given my last post where I say "I am still looking at lapluie", I am still looking at her :P I think her answers sound like someone who is trying to avoid having an opinion, especially ythat answer you quoted. What I said to her about why people might vote for Loop is actually my opinion of lapluie herself to some extent. I wish I had a bad game of hers to reference. She said two people on this site had played with her previously; are either of them playing this game?

But I have not voted for her as of yet becasue I think for the reason ^^ we need to try to come to somewhat of a group consensus on two people if possible. Knowing tonight was a two person lynch it would be a good night for Caleb to use his vote manip.

[S~V~S]

Aww the didn't work.

[Tranq]

I quoted that post of her because i hadn't seen you reply directly to it. Looking through her posts, it looks like she is being more active in another game right now which may explain her non-thoughts in this one.

With Caleb, if he has -5 votes and with 2 players lynched i don't think Caleb can get enough votes to be lynched today.

[S~V~S]

I quoted that post of her because i hadn't seen you reply directly to it. Looking through her posts, it looks like she is being more active in another game right now which may explain her non-thoughts in this one.

With Caleb, if he has -5 votes and with 2 players lynched i don't think Caleb can get enough votes to be lynched today.

After 2 days? She is posting, she was one of the top posters on Zero, but she isn't saying anything. I just looked and right now she is the 7th poster, but has not had one real opinion. But what you say is possible, I am not sure I buy it, though. I really would like to see an opinion from her. The same goes for Vaseline.

And re Caleb I am not worried about lynching him, what I mean is this (hypothetical scenario):

We are 15. Let's say Person 1 gets 6 votes, and Person 2 gets 6. Person 3 has 2 and Person 4 has 1. If Caleb is either person 1 or 2, then Person 3 gets lynched. So we need to be careful about vote spreading for that reason, and not make a lot of statement or tangent votes.

[S~V~S]

ebwop, although I wasn't counting this, which also complicates the issue:

Black Rock the mighty Hostess says: With just over 50 percent of voters, punishments will apply. +1 vote on day 2 to any player who did not vote.

So alot of people already have votes. Ugh.

[Tranq]

Why do we need to be careful about vote spreading though? We may figure out who Caleb is following your example, but Caleb isn't a role we need to lynch.
Wouldn't it be better to actually try and spread the votes, and maybe figure out Darla that way?

[S~V~S]

I am not concerned with Caleb at all, other than the possibility of lynching someone by mistake. Like in my example, we lynch person #3 who isn't someone most of us think is bad. Although Caleb would have to be one of the people with the most votes for it to matter so meh.

That would be feasible re Darla, but we would have to be careful since several people start out today with votes. On phone at work, so someone else will have to determine who has a no vote day one penalty vote.

[LoRab]

That was a lot of death. And some excellent writing.

Great work Riley!

For who spike can kill:

The only non-civ who is definitely human is Caleb. Possibly also the mayor, but less likely he’s be considered human.

It gets a little more complicated with the Civs. Anya is the only one who is definitely a demon. Oz, I am not sure if werewolves count as non-human when they are not changed—he might be human. Tara has some demon in her but spike was not able to harm her in canon (on the off chance of seemer). Dawn is arguably not human as Kyle says. But they say in the show that spoke couldn’t hurt Dawn/-I don’t think that is ever tested, but spike babysits dawn from time to time. But, after Buffy was brought back from the dead, spike is able to hurt her. I’m also not sure if willow is dark willow at the moment, if dark willow would be considered human—eventually yes, but in canon, she loses touch with her humanity (and is only able to reconnect with it with the help of magic). That said, I don’t think willow has changed this game.

So there are more baddie/indie roles that spike could have killed 5 or 6 depending on the mayor, and assuming he didn’t kill him self—knowing he wasn’t Adam). From the civs, he could have killed between 1 and 6 roles—likely on the much lower end of the scale.

[speedchuck]

Riley Finn - As part as the Initiative, he is looking to catch all Demons. He is looking for Adam in particular. Riley will choose a player each night, and when he finds a vampire or demon, they will be blocked. If Riley chooses Adam, Adam will be killed.

Wow good shot...

Not really.
We don't need indys dead to win, right?
TBH these indy folk are like a second town factions, and it's weird. I'm more sad that Adam died, because that means he loses for no reason.

Such is life in a BR/LC game?

[speedchuck]

Players I trust right now: Sig, Lorab, SVS.

[speedchuck]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

[LoRab]

Riley Finn - As part as the Initiative, he is looking to catch all Demons. He is looking for Adam in particular. Riley will choose a player each night, and when he finds a vampire or demon, they will be blocked. If Riley chooses Adam, Adam will be killed.

Wow good shot...

Not really.
We don't need indys dead to win, right?
TBH these indy folk are like a second town factions, and it's weird. I'm more sad that Adam died, because that means he loses for no reason.

Such is life in a BR/LC game?

You and i clearly have different viewpoints on neutral roles. Although, really, imho, it depends on who has the role and how they're going to play it. I don't remember Timmer in a neutral role off hand, so unclear.

And my view of the neutrals in this game is colored by the fact that they are all baddie characters on the show, other than Spike who starts evil and becomes good.

[speedchuck]

Riley Finn - As part as the Initiative, he is looking to catch all Demons. He is looking for Adam in particular. Riley will choose a player each night, and when he finds a vampire or demon, they will be blocked. If Riley chooses Adam, Adam will be killed.

Wow good shot...

Not really.
We don't need indys dead to win, right?
TBH these indy folk are like a second town factions, and it's weird. I'm more sad that Adam died, because that means he loses for no reason.

Such is life in a BR/LC game?

You and i clearly have different viewpoints on neutral roles. Although, really, imho, it depends on who has the role and how they're going to play it. I don't remember Timmer in a neutral role off hand, so unclear.

And my view of the neutrals in this game is colored by the fact that they are all baddie characters on the show, other than Spike who starts evil and becomes good.

Oh. See, I didn't know that they were baddies on the show.

All I know is that they need Glory dead, so we share a win con, and they don't need us dead, nor we them.

But I guess they could win with the Vampires...

I guess it's fine.

[LoRab]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

[speedchuck]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

I was ISOing players and she was the first high poster who I did not get a single town ping from. Her posts are mostly mechspec and prodding toward others.

I don't recall Juliets's meta, so this may be normal for her. Nevertheless, the vote is on the board, and I want to see what she does about it. Clock is ticking.

[Ambray]

SVS - out of curiosity, have you been active on this site in past months? Not necessarily just playing mafia

[Kylemii]

Juliets friend could you give me a link to 2 games you've played the most recently?

[sig]

That was bloody.

Timmer being killed isn't bad but it isn't great. It all depends with the Indies how ppl play them. How's the mayor not human and aren't wearwolfs technically human?

I think it's safer to assume spike hit a non civ.

Someone (Mac?) Mentioned mafia killing low poster, this is true but jack is also a high speed player so it could be more along that logic then the clearing out inactive.

[sig]

The glory kill doesn't make much sense I'm almost likely to say glory is illyra since she and wilgy had the most contact.

[sig]

Or someone else who was suspicious of wilgy being mafia, this depends if glory is taking a more civ approach though in her killings

[DFaraday]

That was bloody.

Timmer being killed isn't bad but it isn't great. It all depends with the Indies how ppl play them. How's the mayor not human and aren't wearwolfs technically human?

I think it's safer to assume spike hit a non civ.

Someone (Mac?) Mentioned mafia killing low poster, this is true but jack is also a high speed player so it could be more along that logic then the clearing out inactive.

I would assume Oz qualifies as human, but I guess the hosts might not consider him as such if he's using a werewolf power or something. The Mayor is human, but his whole thing is he wants to become a demon, so who knows.

It should also be noted that Drusilla can defect from the baddie team, so in theory all but three players can win together.

[juliets]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

I was ISOing players and she was the first high poster who I did not get a single town ping from. Her posts are mostly mechspec and prodding toward others.

I don't recall Juliets's meta, so this may be normal for her. Nevertheless, the vote is on the board, and I want to see what she does about it. Clock is ticking.

What is "mechspec"? Also, prodding is my style. I ask questions to assimilate information or to poke into places I might want to go.

[juliets]

Juliets friend could you give me a link to 2 games you've played the most recently?

Kyle, I played Chica but I'm assuming you don't want the link to that because it wasn't really mafia. Prior to that I played GOC which no longer exitsts and I subbed into Phenom http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... f=2&t=1266. I can't find any other games until Battlestar Galactica which was in 2016 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... =27&t=1040. I'll keep looking though the side missions and heists but on first look I didn't see anything in 2017 that was familiar.

[juliets]

That was bloody.

Timmer being killed isn't bad but it isn't great. It all depends with the Indies how ppl play them. How's the mayor not human and aren't wearwolfs technically human?

I think it's safer to assume spike hit a non civ.

Someone (Mac?) Mentioned mafia killing low poster, this is true but jack is also a high speed player so it could be more along that logic then the clearing out inactive.

I would assume Oz qualifies as human, but I guess the hosts might not consider him as such if he's using a werewolf power or something. The Mayor is human, but his whole thing is he wants to become a demon, so who knows.

It should also be noted that Drusilla can defect from the baddie team, so in theory all but three players can win together.

DF I don't see where is says Drusilla can defect from the baddie team under her role description. Am I looking in the wrong place or not understanding something?

[S~V~S]

SVS - out of curiosity, have you been active on this site in past months? Not necessarily just playing mafia

No. I left in July, and had not been back since, until about a week and a half ago. Someone told me on Facebook that I had gotten a Socky, and I came in to say "Thanks". I started talking to a soooper persuasive friend, it was a BR/LC game, Tranq and rabbit were playing ... so yeah, lol.

My last post was mid July. I might have lurked around a few days past that in the mod forums, but if I did it wasn't very long after that.

Why?

Also home shortly, will catch up.

[LoRab]

It should also be noted that Drusilla can defect from the baddie team, so in theory all but three players can win together.

Wait, what? She can recruit Spike if she checks him. Which is kind of the opposite of defecting, no?

That was bloody.

Timmer being killed isn't bad but it isn't great. It all depends with the Indies how ppl play them. How's the mayor not human and aren't wearwolfs technically human?

I think it's safer to assume spike hit a non civ.

Someone (Mac?) Mentioned mafia killing low poster, this is true but jack is also a high speed player so it could be more along that logic then the clearing out inactive.

Mayor was human, but made lots of deals with demons to become impervious to most harm and be immortal. His story arc is all about his becoming a powerful demonic entity. If memory serves, he has begun the transformation when he dies. So, it depends on how the hosts are interpreting him.

And werewolves are human, except when they are wolves. I would guess Oz is human at least when he is not wolfy. And I can't remember if Spike can hurt animals or not.

[S~V~S]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

I think her bad game is wafflier and more tentative than she is here. She doesn't enjoy lying, and you can see it.

You, Mr Chuck, are looking to me like a man in search of a suspect. You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person. You looked to be trying to link Ambray and Tranqs posts about how they might have voted Loop as well, like they were BTS slips.

Now Juliets, when that did not pan out for you.

Between that and just my feel for you, how you backed down. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

I have to reread that exchange again, and I want to read a few other people. I really REALLY REALLY want to hear from Lapluie, she HAS to have some thought by now, any thought. Also Vaseline, any thoughts?

[nutella]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

I think her bad game is wafflier and more tentative than she is here. She doesn't enjoy lying, and you can see it.

You, Mr Chuck, are looking to me like a man in search of a suspect. You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person. You looked to be trying to link Ambray and Tranqs posts about how they might have voted Loop as well, like they were BTS slips.

Now Juliets, when that did not pan out for you.

Between that and just my feel for you, how you backed down. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

I have to reread that exchange again, and I want to read a few other people. I really REALLY REALLY want to hear from Lapluie, she HAS to have some thought by now, any thought. Also Vaseline, any thoughts?

Good insights here. I could vote for chuckles.

[S~V~S]

@Speedchuck, should you decide Juliets is maybe not the baddie you seek, who might your alternative vote be for?

[speedchuck]

You, Mr Chuck, are looking to me like a man in search of a suspect.

That I certainly am.

You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person.

This is not something that I did, and you should know that.

Speedchuck, should you decide Juliets is maybe not the baddie you seek, who might your alternative vote be for?

Pretty much anyone, except for Sig and Lorab. But it looks like I've hit a landmine, so I'm leaving my vote for now. Keep the protests coming!

[speedchuck]

I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

Why Juliets?

I was ISOing players and she was the first high poster who I did not get a single town ping from. Her posts are mostly mechspec and prodding toward others.

I don't recall Juliets's meta, so this may be normal for her. Nevertheless, the vote is on the board, and I want to see what she does about it. Clock is ticking.

What is "mechspec"? Also, prodding is my style. I ask questions to assimilate information or to poke into places I might want to go.

Mechanics speculation.

Where do you want to go?

[speedchuck]

2/3 of the day is gone and I am the only vote on the board.