Buffy the Vampire Slayer: At the Hellmouth (End Game)

[MacDougall]

OK, moving my vote to Illy. Nova is sounding more genuine now (though Lorab's and Tranq's theories are rather compelling and if Illy is bad I could see Nova as her teammate), and as of now I trust the people voting for Illy more than the people voting for nova

You see nova as Illy's teammate? Explanation requested.

[Ambray]

Nova - how long have you played mafia for?

A good while. However, I'm new to this place.

Where do you normally play?

And where does MacDougall also play? He just said you were new...

[novaselinenever]

Novas: help me understand. How do you see tranq as not contributing? Have you read his posts?

I have. He has mostly been talking about the mechanics (abilities and night polls), a dead player potentially being bad and tunneling against me.

He wanted to vote D1 against people who didn't vote during the night poll, and then ended up voting Rabbit. He said he was confident with his vote but he didn't give any reason for it.

[novaselinenever]

Nova - how long have you played mafia for?

A good while. However, I'm new to this place.

Where do you normally play?

And where does MacDougall also play? He just said you were new...

On two other forums I'm a member of.

[MacDougall]

I hadn't seen nova before until recently and he plays like a nub. I guess 2 plus 2 equals 5.

[MacDougall]

Nova - how long have you played mafia for?

A good while. However, I'm new to this place.

Where do you normally play?

And where does MacDougall also play? He just said you were new...

I don't play anywhere else. I used to play somewhere else but that was the beforetimes. We don't speak of the beforetimes.

[MacDougall]

Ambray which vampire are you?

[Ambray]

Ambray which vampire are you?

Le sigh, I wish I were that cool.

Ok, I'm happy with my vote, I really think nova sounds scripted and I don't like what he's done with his voting this round, and happy if Illy gets the boot with Nova as runner up incase, either which way.

Bed time for me.

[S~V~S]

I hadn't seen nova before until recently and he plays like a nub. I guess 2 plus 2 equals 5.

Why are you and Nova so vague? She asked how long he's playing, and he's like, "quite some time", and then this bit of an over reaction.

I don't love lynching people who are not here, I hope Illy shows up.

[LoRab]

Novas: help me understand. How do you see tranq as not contributing? Have you read his posts?

I have. He has mostly been talking about the mechanics (abilities and night polls), a dead player potentially being bad and tunneling against me.

He wanted to vote D1 against people who didn't vote during the night poll, and then ended up voting Rabbit. He said he was confident with his vote but he didn't give any reason for it.

Much of what you say here simply isn't accurate. Other things don't seem suspicious to me at all. It really looks like you are purely switcherooing.

In a Rock Con game, if we dno't discuss mechanics, then we are probably missing out on a lot. And mechanics are relevant. And, he's discussed players, as well. And what is wrong with speculating about dead players? In a one mafia game (especially with a lot of neutrals), it's important to figure out baddies.

He absolutely gave reasons for suspecting you--his vote post was not the first time he mentioned you. He talked about voting Rabbit in the same post he taked about voting a non-participator (which is fairly common practice), and did so, clearly to me at least, as a throw away vote. Just like you seem averse to voting if you're not pretty sure about your vote, in the mafia culture many of us are used to, throwing out a random vote (or a jokey vote), or voting for a non-participating person, is common. The idea of choosing not to vote is entirely strange to many of us and looks highly suspicious often.

Also, you really don't seem to be reading the thread. Which seems inherently bad to me (since baddies can skip really reading, and have teammates who update them about what's going on).

[LoRab]

I hadn't seen nova before until recently and he plays like a nub. I guess 2 plus 2 equals 5.

Why are you and Nova so vague? She asked how long he's playing, and he's like, "quite some time", and then this bit of an over reaction.

I don't love lynching people who are not here, I hope Illy shows up.

I hope so, too. I also don't really like lynching people in absentia. It's so hard with 24 hour days, though!

[speedchuck]

I like this lynch. I'm going to focus on other things tonight. Other games. My wife. Things.

Will check in though. GL.

[Kylemii]

I feel pretty good about the stuff on illy and nova. I hope to see a response from I'll before the end of the day

[nutella]

OK, moving my vote to Illy. Nova is sounding more genuine now (though Lorab's and Tranq's theories are rather compelling and if Illy is bad I could see Nova as her teammate), and as of now I trust the people voting for Illy more than the people voting for nova

You see nova as Illy's teammate? Explanation requested.

Tranq's analysis should provide the explanation you request. The fact that Nova picked Illy to put a quick vote on to see the results and then changed it was fishy, and Tranq pointed out that Illy has not acknowledged Nova at all so that fits the non-interaction tell.

[lapluie]

I won't be voting for nova. He sounds genuine as heck. I see Ambray's logic but it could be an Illyria save attempt. SVS I will post more cat videos.

Would love to see more from lapluie.

Well helloòoooo there, got lots to read don't i, give me a while

[sig]

Hey promise I didn't forget about this game things are just a little hectic of Illyra doesn't flip mafia I want to lynch Mac or SVS.

[S~V~S]

I need to go to bed, I had hoped to hear from Illy, but since she didn't show up I will leave my vote where it is.

[Kylemii]

voted for illy btw, i just died cus i forgot to vote in middle earth, i'd be embarrassed to forget to vote here in regular earth

hellmout

[nutella]

yeah the regular earth that has a hellmout

[sig]

I'm voting for Mac, he's playing very tame and I'm not sure I agree with this wagon.

Tomorrow after my test I'll buckle down and make some real reads/increase activity.

[Kylemii]

helllllllllmout

[Kylemii]

juliets
Kylemii
nutella
speedchuck
Tranq
S~V~S
Ambray
sig
LoRab
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
Illyria

[Kylemii]

whoops i guess that's a little dark

[Long Con]

Petals In The Wind

"The particles are waves, and they shimmer and glimmer... can you see them?" Illyria was starry-eyed and smiling as she gazed at nothing in particular. She didn't struggle against the black bands of magic that held her still, rather, she thought they quite lovely.

Xander strode forward angrily. "Look, vamp, you'd better start making sense, or-"

"Oh!" shrieked Illyria softly. "This one is all hot blood and bravado," her face turned sour, "oh, but I don't like him! Too many eyes, too many..." she turned away in despair.

"We're not going to get any information about Angelus out of her," said Buffy wearily. "She's three Skittles short of a rainbow."

"Oh, I like rainbows... though I don't get to see them much any more."Her face grew excited. "Oh, but that will all change when Angelus finishes the machine!"

"Machine?" Xander asked. "Are we talking about a cappuccino maker, or...?"

Illyria's face contorted. "Oh, it's back, I don't want to see it again!" She began to cry, and sing a soft lullaby to herself.

"This is getting us nowhere," said Faith, and, with a quick snap, tossed a stake through Illyria's heart, disintegrating her into ashes.

"Faith, dammit!" shouted Buffy.

"Look, B," Faith said matter-of-factly. "Angelus is out there, and the more time we waste with the ravings of a certifiably insane vamp chick, the closer we get to him claiming his next victim!"

Illyria has been lynched. She was Drusilla.

It is now Night 3. Send in your Night PMs and wishes, you have 23 hours.

[Kylemii]

holy shit nice

[Kylemii]

holy shit?????

[Kylemii]

no sorry. i got excited, i thought that meant that angelus was already dead, i had it backwards and also confused the roles.

anyways that's good news

[Kylemii]

[mention]Illyria[/mention] sorry you didn't get to play much, please come back and play again soon.

[LoRab]

Came back to see if lily had shown up and for the result. Nice. Bye bye baddie. but stick around and play more because it’s good to have you back.

[Kylemii]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Black Rock[/mention]

this feels like a buckwild question to be asking on night 3 of all times but would we be notified when the mafia is eliminated?

[Kylemii]

the best way to kill a vampire is through tricking them into consuming garlic

[Marmot]

the best way to kill a vampire is through tricking them into consuming garlic

I don't need to be tricked to consume garlic.

[nutella]

Awesome!! And nicely written LC, I could tell she was Dru from the first line

[nutella]

and picking sunlight bc who doesn't love a good roastin'

[juliets]

Very nice result and good write up. I was feeling a little nervous because she hadn't come back to the thread to respond. Illy, PLEASE play more with us. I expect to at least see you in A World Asunder.

[S~V~S]

Bye Illy, come back soon!

Excellent results. Voting Sacred Magic cause why do something mundane when you can do something MAGICAL

[Long Con]

@Long Con @Black Rock

this feels like a buckwild question to be asking on night 3 of all times but would we be notified when the mafia is eliminated?

That's a bucknormal question. Yes, we will tell you if the Vamp team is gone, and only Glory remains. If Glory is already dead when the Vamps are gone, we will tell the Civs with a winner's banner.

[speedchuck]

I would bet, right now, that we have killed two scum. And I am happy about that.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck
juliets
Kylemii
nutella
MacDougall
S~V~S
Tranq
LoRab
sig
novaselinenever
Lapluie
Ambray


2 scum somewhere in this mess. I recommend looking at interactions with Illy, obviously. But I have another mafia game in more dire straights than this, so I'll leave it to you fellows for now.

[sig]

I'll go for traditional wooden stake.

So my plan of action is to ISO illyra, good job guys. See who pushed the wagon who fought it ect. Whoever pushed for Illy is almost lock cleared civ, I do think depending on mafia levels one could have joined or her wagon early on, but I'd doubt they'd lead it.

[lapluie]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] what happened to the trust?

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck what happened to the trust?

POE

Everyone hates that answer, but it's true. I'm not ready to lynch you or anything. I'd have to go back and look at stuff.

[sig]

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This actually makes sense to me. In all honesty, I missed that the vampires could recruit Spike. But still, I'm not sure why single him out, of all the indies. As you say here, the Mayor can take a civ away from the civ numbers. In all fairness, I'm going on show knowledge--but I'm guessing the Mayor is more dangerous than Spike.

I still have an eyeball on you, but I'm less suspicious of you than I was last night.

Agreed on the Mayor, I am most concerned about Glory, but the Mayor is next on my list.

It is interesting. The Day post made me think of The Master, but he is not listed. The opening post mentioned the Hydra Monster thingie. We saw the multi headed beast in end of S1 with the Master and again in S3 with the Mayor. I dont know if this is helpful or not but those were my thoughts when I read it.

So here's our first game content, talking about Glory and the Mayor looking back super pingy that she didn't mention the mafia, the rest of the post was fluff/not game related.

Potassium nitrate is one of gods greatest gifts. Be sure to eat one tablespoon a day to stray from the path of the devil. Potassium nitrate also does wonders for the skin and digestion.

Also, what now> I don't remember playing with you, sorry. So, other people, is this normal behavior for DrW? Since no one commented on it, I am guessing yes but I want to be sure.

Interaction with Wilgy, I view this as trying to set up a lynch maybe? it could be distancing, but seems uncalled for so I'll assume Wilgy isn't a dead teammate.

@Illyria I'm interested in your thoughts as you catch up

As of right now, I am feeling that Lorab is a civvie. I am waiting for Lup to post more, especially as they are new, but I think I am eyeing them?? I am also eyeing DrW because of that odd post even if you all think that is normal. If that is his only one so far, I am going to wait to see if he will say anything else on topic-- but right now I think that might be where my vote is going? UGGGGH. This is hard!! /tantrum

I am hoping that I will be able to dust some of this rust off my mafia instincts. I am not sure that I trust them right now!

Prod from SVS.

Reading Lorab as a civ, eye on Wilgy and Loop, who flipped civ day 1.

The only player alive out of this first set is Lorab.

Oh geez. I meant Lapluie. Sorry. Lap!

If loop did not post in either thread, I wonder if they meant to sign up at all? That seems slightly odd to click yes and the never post anywhere?

Meant Lap, who's still alive. I'll need to see further interaction between the two since some minor suspicion isn't that telling.

So Lap voted for Glory, but I searched their posts and I could not find why?? Did I miss it? Neither did SpeedChuck that I saw.

I am going to wait and see if my antiquated way of searching posts is not how it is done anymore but.. I am pinged by that somewhat.

I'll get back to this post.

Jackofhearts was killed by the Vampires.

Marmot has been killed by Spike.

Timmer has been killed by Riley.

DrWilgy has been killed by Glory.

holy shit

I... am right there with you dude. Great. Muppety. Odin.

This could be teammate chat? But it's weak.

Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Hello there, just flipped back. no none of them are participating in this game, however I'm more diligent on the other game right now that I've lost train of thought here, my apologies.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion but as of right now, I will say we should look more into the loop mislynch voters, it's very duck soup to jump on a wagon especially on day 0 (?) with little to no evidence off a players behaviours for an easy quick lynch. I noticed a few players piled on before due time & im skeptical about that, for now ill be placing vote of DFaraday - I believe he voted for Loop also, his reasoning for vote was moot.

Okay, why did you vote for Glory? Also, so I can read your posts correctly, is English your L1?


True to canon. He was Hard Core.

Okay, sorry again. My work schedule is stupidly insane on Mon and Tuesday, I have some time on Weds and Thurs (assuming I make it that long) and I will do what I can tonight.

Speed is getting support from La, Lap and Kyle. I see what SVS is saying, I felt like Speed was stirring the pot a little to see what stuck but with our numbers dwindling so quickly I am now hesitant to go all in on Speed yet. I am leaning NoVaseline as they have not posted except to ask why someone voted for them. I think. I am going to try out that fancy iso button La told me about, that is nifty.

Some more back and forth with Lap, she seems to have focused on them alot compared to other players and I'm not sure what to think of it. She starts to set up a case agaisnt speed, which did almost result in his lynch day 2, so I'll look there out of the main two counter wagons I'd say Speed is looking better atm then Juliets.

Nov is probably not on the same team if she's talking about lynching them, but I'd not civ read him(her?)

Well, that did not take long. NoVa has posted twice about the Day 0 stuff, and then asked Tranq why he got the vote from him.

Okay. I have to go and check LoRab, traditionally, I have not been able to read her accurately (possibly ever but someone with a better brain than me can answer that).

Linki: @lapluie I work in languages, and some of your idiomatic phrasing made me think that you were romance language based. It helps me differentiate between you having a baddie slip up, or having another language running around your brain making noise. Thank you!

More talk on Nova and says she'll check LoRab I'll need to see where this leads.

@Tranq Mind explaining your vote on me ?

Tranq has gone for the night as he said in his last post. He explained his vote for you in another post - have you read them? You haven't made any posts besides this one since Day 0 and it kinda feels like you are avoiding the game because you are posting elsewhere. S~V~S asked you your thoughts on the game but you haven't responded. It would be helpful to me if you would. I can see why Tranq voted for you and I could consider a vote here as well.

link

I must have missed them then. I'm not really avoiding the game, I'm just a quiet player and don't post unless I have something to contribute. At the moment, I don't and that's why you haven't heard my thoughts. Also, S-V-S never mentioned me in a post or I didn't get the notification.

Me posting in another game and not in this one doesn't mean anything. You could always check that game and you'd see that I didn't post early in the game when I didn't have anything to add.

I did check the other game and you posted 18 times on Day 0 and Day 1/Night 1, most of that on Day 0. You even gave a read on someone as being suspicious. I'll agree that you didn't say a whole lot but you were a lot more active than you've been here.

linki

NoVa, I have been out of this for almost a year and I am getting pinged by people. You have to have some kind of reaction to someone by now, that is what we are looking for here.

Sorry, I defiantly did not get drunk and spill shit all over my keyboard and fry anything.

No sirreeebob.

I have to say that right now, the people dodging the direct questions are making my radar go nuts. Specifically, Lap and NoVa, I am not expecting a monster post (though nice one La!) from you-- but this is speed mafia and moves a lot faster. We need you to move faster too, especially if you are civvie. Can you at least give us a name or two of someone you find suspicious and why?

throws some mud over at Nova and Lap again, Illy is focusing in one them alot.

LMAO at the idea of rabbit and SVS

I almost fell out of my chair.

I am grateful that lynch turned out the way it did. Sweet is actually the demon that makes everyone sing and dance to their deaths in Once More With Feeling.

I am going to re read Kyle and (always..) Rabbit. I was not loving Kyle's explanations last night but it was very late and I was very tired. I am going to give that another go. Rabbit, is.. well.. Rabbit and I dont read him well because he always pings me no matter which role.

Linki: Kyle LOL. True story about SVS.

Says she's going to read kyle, not sure if this happened? I'd also note the Lorab reread never seemed to appear.



So I didn't get alot out of this, she didn't engage with all the players which could be a ping that they're mafia. From my ISO Lap, Nova, and Speed come out looking good. I'm shaky on lorab and Kyle, since she did say she'd look them over, but didn't.

[sig]

Before I do any ISO, I'm going to be looking very closely at Nutella, Tranq, and Speed.

Tranq's been tunneling on Nova all game avoiding the other major lynches and Nutella/Speed was one of the two other wagons the day DF got lynched.

[Kylemii]

It's not like I'm ready to lynch you or anything, baka.

wow!!!!! i can't believe speedchuck actually said this

[sig]

Did a reread of yesterday.

Mac
Speed
Lorab
nutella

all jumped on an illy wagon fairly quickly which does look good. In theory one could be bussing, but with such a small team I feel like they'd wait a bit to bus.

The two Illy voters I'm looking at now are SVS and juliets

Illyria sounds good. With a couple of votes on novaselinenever in case she's Angelus?

I don't like this post it seems like you're trying to start a counterwagon. However you and nova have been going back and forth since day 1 so this could just be civ on civ.


I'd rather not lynch Tranq tomorrow.

SVS probably had the most drive by Illy lynch out of what i've looked at right now, which could be bussing. Thoughts?

speedchuck
nutella
juliets
Kylemii
sig
Lapluie
MacDougall
novaselinenever
S~V~S
Ambray
Tranq
LoRab
Illyria

In rough order. My townreads, the top half of the list, are more certain than my scumreads.

I was one of your top civ reads before I suspected you, is that how you roll?

Catching up now, I had Illy towards the bottom of my rankings last time I posted them, is it just generic blendy quietness or is it something else?

LoRab, I had you as like a top townread except for the role fishing, which wouldn't even be as bad if you hadn't denied it. But for today, I'm willing to chalk that up to "different backgrounds" (My background is closed setups with lots of role crap, and role fishing [in other words trying to get someone to talk directly about their role or what their role is not] was considered bad bad bad) because we share a common top scumread. Let's talk about that.

You read Illyria as scum for meta, gut, and a few posts. I've been reading her as scum because of tone and interactions, having never played a game with her before.

We arrived at the same conclusion for different, but complementary reasons. And I find that to be a good reason to vote.

I like this post.

So your case is because he cased you but he is the one pulling omgus?

That kind of crazy talk only comes from civs. Next.

Oi lapluie talk.

I don't care that his case is against me. It doesn't matter if it is against me or any other low poster.

The case is he's pushing against inactives and low posters. He isn't trying to out scum or do anything else. He is just trying to find easy target to leave his vote on them and then save himself the trouble and scrutiny from Town. With his votes against me no one is questioning it or his reads. The only reason he's been giving is low-posting and inactivity. He did the same last day phase before leaving. He just mentioned me and my activity, and then left his vote and left. He didn't try going against Speechuck or DFaraday, because they required real reads and reasons to vote them. Scum would avoid that and go for easy targets. That's what he's doing.

He did the same right now. As soon as I voted against him, he returned the favor and went on with ' I feel good about my vote '. If that isn't bullshit I don't know what is.

I think this may be cultural? The other LP people can correct me if I am wrong, but this was a very common thing where we all came from, we voted for low posters/non voters the first few days, especially if it was quiet like it was on Super Bowl Sunday. You seem to be taking this personally, and it is more of a "Play or die" thing. It's more fun playing with people who play

Also Mac should post MOAR CAT VIDEOS!!

Dropping a vote on Illy for now, will bbl after dinner to finish reading.

Prior to this the only direct contact from SVS side seems to be saying both rabbit and Illy are null reads.

[sig]

is the hot case against illy basically that rabbit might have been mafia and that she and rabbit displayed only limited acknowledgement of each other in the thread?

I feel pretty good about the stuff on illy and nova. I hope to see a response from I'll before the end of the day

voted for illy btw, i just died cus i forgot to vote in middle earth, i'd be embarrassed to forget to vote here in regular earth

hellmout

This is Kyle's three posts about Illy all day 3. Not much here one way or another. [mention]Kylemii[/mention] who do you think is Illy teammate and why?

[speedchuck]

It's not like I'm ready to lynch you or anything, baka.

wow!!!!! i can't believe speedchuck actually said this

BAKA

[speedchuck]

Jeez that's huge

[MacDougall]

Mang