Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[rundontwalk]

In the epi v. Colin exchange, Colin comes out looking scummiest

[Kylemii]

why dr wilgy?

He's MIA, I haven't even seen the usual zany shit from him since the draft (he hasn't posted at all since the actual day started). Laying that low, combined with the set of roles he requested, put him at a pretty bad spot for me atm.

didn't you also ask for the wyvern though?

yeah, I asked for wyvern or pegasus for mostly flavory reasons, though like it would have been cool to get the vig but I totally don't blame DDL for giving me the weaker of the ones I asked for, as I probably would have done for Wilgy had Tony not come along with a more straightforward request

but don't you regularly describe yourself as "waffly"? why would you want to willingly subject yourself to the anxiety and stress of playing the vigilante role and having to make a gun to head decision every single night?

[ColinIsCool]

Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.

I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?

[colonialbob]

I like that Epi post a lot.

Syndicateers, thoughts on the recent MacDougall/RDW interactions?

[nutella]

why dr wilgy?

He's MIA, I haven't even seen the usual zany shit from him since the draft (he hasn't posted at all since the actual day started). Laying that low, combined with the set of roles he requested, put him at a pretty bad spot for me atm.

didn't you also ask for the wyvern though?

yeah, I asked for wyvern or pegasus for mostly flavory reasons, though like it would have been cool to get the vig but I totally don't blame DDL for giving me the weaker of the ones I asked for, as I probably would have done for Wilgy had Tony not come along with a more straightforward request

but don't you regularly describe yourself as "waffly"? why would you want to willingly subject yourself to the anxiety and stress of playing the vigilante role and having to make a gun to head decision every single night?

lol I've had fun with vig roles in the past, though it's been a while. I think I'd take a different attitude to the role than I generally have toward suspicions in the thread (and day 1 would have at least passed which is always the hardest)

[rundontwalk]

I like that Epi post a lot.

Syndicateers, thoughts on the recent MacDougall/RDW interactions?

You didn't ask me but I'll give you my opinion anywayz.

Idk what MacDougall is doing. He won't respond, and the idea he could be buddying me crossed my mind.

[ColinIsCool]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.

I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?

Do you think his exercise, even if pointless, has any potential to do harm? If not, why haven't you given some names?

[rundontwalk]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

[Epignosis]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

I'm a fucking troubadour. I get the luxury of not caring if I'm Night killed.

[Epignosis]

I mean, I don't get that perspective. I'm a civilian, so I'm supposed to make the mafia comfortable keeping me around? What the hell is that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

[rundontwalk]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

I'm a fucking troubadour. I get the luxury of not caring if I'm Night killed.

The only explanations I can think of is 1. You're town with a bulletproof ability or 2. Scum

[ColinIsCool]

Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.

I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?

Do you think his exercise, even if pointless, has any potential to do harm? If not, why haven't you given some names?

As I said before, I think it's just a WIFOM rabbit hole and easily manipulated by the mafia to send us in the wrong direction, lynch the wrong people. And I supplied my answer, which was the same as yours, IIRC.

[rundontwalk]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

Epi doesn't have an equal chance of being nightkilled. He has higher change if scum think he has important power.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"I might be night killed if I say this" has nearly never stopped me from saying something.

[colonialbob]

Yeah this stinks.

I give you this aubergine as a symbol of my undying love for current suspicion of you.
change vote: coliniscool

[TonyStarkPrime]

Epignosis, I have no reason to trust you and even less when you refuse to answer my questions. I think you can understand that because you think I'm suspicious for not answering yours, no? Whatever you think my post implies, what I am saying is that I am suspicious of your exercise and of you. And I'm not the only one, so saying that it's manufactured is just plain not true.

I don't see the value in your exercise. The burden of proof is not on me when it comes to changing my mind there, it's on you to show that it's useful to the town. And while, yeah, someone could protect you in the night phases, it's also weird to me that you're openly advertising that you have some scheme that we don't know anything about rolling that would be detrimental to the mafia, because wouldn't they then want to kill you?

Colin I have a hypothetical for you. Let’s say you were chosen as the mafia don. Which four people would you choose as your mafia buddies? This is so we can see the thought process of players as they deal with the question put it in a spreadsheet and look for patterns and where patterns break.

At least that’s what I was gonna do.

[MacDougall]

Mac used post silly shit at Skyler

Skyler became confused

He hurt himself in his confusion

Skyler fainted

ColonialBob go!

ColonialBob used tunnel

But it failed

[rundontwalk]

Surely scum Colin would not be dumb enough to refuse the 4 names

[ColinIsCool]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

No. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.

[nutella]

hmm I disagree with Colin's perspective here but I don't necessarily find him suspicious for it. It might partially be a culture thing, idk. I think he genuinely believes in his reasoning and I think epi/colin are civ/civ

[colonialbob]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

No. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.

We've still got plenty of time before D1 ends tho

[Kylemii]

lol I've had fun with vig roles in the past, though it's been a while. I think I'd take a different attitude to the role than I generally have toward suspicions in the thread (and day 1 would have at least passed which is always the hardest)

hmmmmmm okay. and you enjoyed the vig role before? they were good experiences?

unrelated question: as of right now, how do you feel about your pegasus cousins, long con and rabbit?

[MacDougall]

I have an ancient memory of Colin being a ping machine and getting mislynched but I might just be trying to defend my scum teammate.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Surely scum Colin would not be dumb enough to refuse the 4 names

Flip side, at this point it probably looks scummier to give the four names and fold over holding strong.

It’s also still the townie thing to do but it just doesn’t look good for Colin.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

Epi doesn't have an equal chance of being nightkilled. He has higher change if scum think he has important power.

Scum know half of his role already anyway. Now this suspicion demands the specific scenario wherein his unknown power ties into this exercise in some way -- a wild ass guess based on nothing. Even if he is the most threatening player and has a scary role, there are still 18 other civilians who can be killed. None of them have a majority-probability of being killed. It's math. If I am being asked to believe that a civilian should give a damn about that on Day 1, particularly in this context with an exercise being drawn asking only for four names, I say -- bullhickey. Horseshit. That's made up.

[colonialbob]

Mac used post silly shit at Skyler

Skyler became confused

He hurt himself in his confusion

Skyler fainted

ColonialBob go!

ColonialBob used tunnel

But it failed

[MacDougall]

hmm

unvote whoever I voted for
VOTE NUTELLA

[Kylemii]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

No. He could say something like, "I think it'd be useful to see what people say." Or he could say "There might be patterns in who's picked." If he has a real strategy here that needs time to pan out, he shouldn't be daring the Mafia to kill him for it by saying he has a "damn good reason" to hide his intentions.

Absolute crap.

Simple question, Colin: what is the current phase?

[MacDougall]

Mac used post silly shit at Skyler

Skyler became confused

He hurt himself in his confusion

Skyler fainted

ColonialBob go!

ColonialBob used tunnel

But it failed

ColonialBob used eyeroll emoji

It's not very effective

Mac used post in Pokemon references

It's not very effective

[ColinIsCool]

Those of you who are asking me to name names need to go back and see where I said I'd pick random names, because I don't know you. I said this directly in an exchange about all of this explaining why I thought it was suspicious.

[nutella]

lol I've had fun with vig roles in the past, though it's been a while. I think I'd take a different attitude to the role than I generally have toward suspicions in the thread (and day 1 would have at least passed which is always the hardest)

hmmmmmm okay. and you enjoyed the vig role before? they were good experiences?

unrelated question: as of right now, how do you feel about your pegasus cousins, long con and rabbit?

yeah, I honestly don't remember when the last time was but I have some recollection of doing decently well with them.

I feel pretty ok about LC but he's not one of my highest town reads. Rabbit is completely gone so null.

[dunya]

suddenly I can't keep up with the thread... so anyone wanna tell me who to day vig?

[MacDougall]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

Skyler scumslipped. I know his meta. He scumslips all the time.

[rundontwalk]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

If they are top suspect of town then they should go willingly to death to clear things up after saying their peace, but why make yourself target of scum

In the context of not fighting a lynch it's more likely to help town save time if you're too controversial and need to get out

[MacDougall]

Colin is a civ. Nutella is Mafia so knows it and is distancing from the lynch. It is known.

[dunya]

when has town skyler ever gone down without a fight?

[Epignosis]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

Epi doesn't have an equal chance of being nightkilled. He has higher change if scum think he has important power.

In Fiddler on the Roof, I deliberately played like shit early on and tried to bait the mafia into killing other people. Why? Because I was a protector and someone who had the chance to gain BTSC with three people, including the role checker.

Here, I'm Justin fucking Bieber. If the mafia want to kill me, they are going to have to do so at the expense of leaving other more powerful roles alive.

I was under the impression that you were good at this.

As far as I know, my win condition isn't to stay alive. It's to destroy evil.

[nutella]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

Skyler scumslipped. I know his meta. He scumslips all the time.

explain

[rundontwalk]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

Skyler scumslipped. I know his meta. He scumslips all the time.

It's impossible for me to scum slip because I'm not scum

[Kylemii]

skylar is rundontwalk?

[Iron_Dwarf]

Just like on RYM, rundontwalk is posting like a madman aka #ballstothewall. And dunya can't wait to start digging around in everyone's post histories.

Hey Dwarf, what do these observations mean to you as it pertains to those two players' alignments?

There was no particular judgment made here. It's their M.O. every game basically.

Also, this will be my last post for Sunday probably.

Dwarf loses a point for saying things just to say things.

This was just banter because I was reminiscing about the good old days of playing mafia on RYM.

[MacDougall]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

Skyler scumslipped. I know his meta. He scumslips all the time.

explain

It was bait to attract Mafia. You chowed down on the bait.

[nutella]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

If they are top suspect of town then they should go willingly to death to clear things up after saying their peace, but why make yourself target of scum

In the context of not fighting a lynch it's more likely to help town save time if you're too controversial and need to get out

.....but... it's usually bad to waste a lynch on a civ. scum kills are all going to be civs, so isn't it better to get nightkilled than waste numbers on a mislynch?

[MacDougall]

You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.

I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

Skyler scumslipped. I know his meta. He scumslips all the time.

It's impossible for me to scum slip because I'm not scum

Hush Skyler

[nutella]

Colin is a civ. Nutella is Mafia so knows it and is distancing from the lynch. It is known.

nah bro I legitimately don't get why he's suspicious. like what is the baddie motive for his argument here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella, why do you think Epi and Colin are both civilians?

[rundontwalk]

when has town skyler ever gone down without a fight?

I don't fight as much as when I'm scum.

Like when town then fine lynch me and you'll see you're wrong

When I'm scum I care about staying alive more