Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[gwilikers6]

Iron Dwarf is certainly a better lynch that colonialbob imo. Don't think I feel strong enough about anyone else to try to push another case through. Might try to do some rereading and make a rainbow to help myself out.

[Kylemii]

what was the case on cbob?

[speedchuck]

Also do you really think jack would mod-confirm 2/5 mafia?

No, that's why I'm asking instead of campaigning.

I'm just going to ignore that opening list of alignments for now and hunt, I think.

(Oh wow, look at all of those ROLES)

linki: a rundown on both cases would be nice.

[speedchuck]

Oh, one more thing.

Don't expect me to post as much as Dunya. Or as much as speedchuck even. I'm happy to replace in, but I don't want to burn myself out right before GoC, and it's going to take me a while to get situated after missing 3600 posts.

[speedchuck]

Wait, this is a day phase! Why aren't we lynching anyone?!

[colonialbob]

I would also be interested in thoughts on my case v TSP.

[colonialbob]

Wait, this is a day phase! Why aren't we lynching anyone?!

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[nutella]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] search the keyword AUBERGINE to see votes

here is the current tally (Iron_Dwarf is currently in the lead because he reached 3 votes before cbob did)

[2] Quin - dunya, nutella
[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[3] Iron_Dwarf - JaggedJimmyJay, Dragon D. Luffy, ColinIsCool
[1] JaggedJimmyJay - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] Kenway - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] dunya - DrWilgy


No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, sprityo

[gwilikers6]

85% gut reads. Can't be bothered to write up cases on anyone or do any more reading. Doesn't help me much at all.

gwilikers6
dunya
TonyStarkPrime
colonialbob
Dr. White
Epignosis
Kenway
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
lapluie
ColinIsCool
Quin
Dragon D. Luffy
sprityo
sig
rundontwalk
nutella
Marmot
Kites
Iron_Dwarf
DrWilgy

[nutella]

ah that tally is missing cbob's TSP vote sorry

AUBERGINE

[2] Quin - dunya, nutella
[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[3] Iron_Dwarf - JaggedJimmyJay, Dragon D. Luffy, ColinIsCool
[1] JaggedJimmyJay - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] TonyStarkPrime - colonialbob


No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, sprityo

[rundontwalk]

85% gut reads. Can't be bothered to write up cases on anyone or do any more reading. Doesn't help me much at all.

gwilikers6
dunya
TonyStarkPrime
colonialbob
Dr. White
Epignosis
Kenway
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
lapluie
ColinIsCool
Quin
Dragon D. Luffy
sprityo
sig
rundontwalk
nutella
Marmot
Kites
Iron_Dwarf
DrWilgy

Lol. I reject this out of hand. It's simply not possible that you think I'm more scummy than Quin. Try again

[nutella]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] you never put a time on the poll last night when it would have been 24 hours away anyway going by the time of the night post the deadline is tonight at 9:52 PST/11:52 CST/12:52 EST

[rundontwalk]

Aubergine

Unvote JJJ

[VOTE: IronDwarf] aubergine

[rundontwalk]

IronDwarf because of his silly vote against me showing he didn't bother to read full exchange with JJJ

[MacDougall]

Guys. I promise you that Flagon G Puffy is mafia. Someone vote for him so that I can plz.

[nutella]

AUBERGINE

[2] Quin - dunya, nutella
[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[4] Iron_Dwarf - JaggedJimmyJay, Dragon D. Luffy, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall
[1] Kenway - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] dunya - DrWilgy


No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, sprityo

[nutella]

Guys. I promise you that Flagon G Puffy is mafia. Someone vote for him so that I can plz.

why? do you have a case?

[MacDougall]

Guys. I promise you that Flagon G Puffy is mafia. Someone vote for him so that I can plz.

why? do you have a case?

Fuck yeah I do.

[rundontwalk]

You would say you know Dragon is scum [mention]MacDougall[/mention] ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

[MacDougall]

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Guys. I promise you that Flagon G Puffy is mafia. Someone vote for him so that I can plz.

why? do you have a case?

Fuck yeah I do.

I'm still waiting to hear it.

[rundontwalk]

You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

[rundontwalk]

If dragon is scum is indicative of Mac being town

[ColinIsCool]

Why would Mac sacrifice a scummate who currently has zero votes?

[rundontwalk]

Unvote IronDwarf

[VOTE: Dragon D Luffy] aubergine

[rundontwalk]

Why would Mac sacrifice a scummate who currently has zero votes?

Because assumption will be he is town. Every single time I'm scum I sacrifice a scum mate when convenient for me.

[MacDougall]

So basically Luffy was looking decent until these b2b posts. Forgive the phone post.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p410695

First post I smelled a rat. Voting for a guy who I can see is getting votes but has not been central to the discourse. A weak candidate if you will. His explanation for his vote doesn't feel genuine. The kicker to me is that he is voting because he apparently has no better scum reads. In this game i find that very hard to believe. Easier for me to believe that he is choosing to distance the very scummy day 1 candidates. It also reads like buddying nutella which is strange. This could indicate tmi on nutella and she is civ. The way he reads her looks like a mafia civ reading a civ to me.

Then the next post he makes drives it home. Jay's hot new scum tell in full display. The best part is I can see that he did this to immediately distract from how bad the post before it was. He just fired a scattergun reads post out to decrease the chance of people looking at the one before it.

He is the bad man.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If dragon is scum is indicative of Mac being town

That is the crappiest reason for a vote I've heard all day.

Anybody can look town if you lynch their scum suspect.

[rundontwalk]

If Mac is scum I want that to be in back of his mind that I'll still be watching

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: luffy] aubergine

Aubergine

[MacDougall]

If Mac is scum I want that to be in back of his mind that I'll still be watching

Skyler my son. You have gone from green to orange skittle in the span of 4 posts. Good work.

[nutella]

what? you think Mac, a player who has no pressing need to gain civ cred, is DDL's scummate and throwing him under the bus when DDL is also not facing any other suspicion? that doesn't make any sense at all. I understand hard bussing a teammate who is suspected by other people, but why bring it up out of the blue like this in that scenario? why would you jump to that conclusion?

[nutella]

or do you believe him now I don't understand [mention]rundontwalk[/mention]

[nutella]

AUBERGINE

[2] Quin - dunya, nutella
[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[3] Iron_Dwarf - JaggedJimmyJay, Dragon D. Luffy, ColinIsCool
[2]Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk, MacDougall
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Kenway - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] dunya - DrWilgy


No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, sprityo

[MacDougall]

Nutella vote for Luffy for me. I'll give you a cookie.

[rundontwalk]

or do you believe him now I don't understand @rundontwalk

Seems like he's either town who knows Luffy is scum it alternatively he's always known Luffy is scum. I am not dumb and won't discount latter possibility. Mac would be kind of guy to go ballstothewall like that, he is my father

[MacDougall]

or do you believe him now I don't understand @rundontwalk

Seems like he's either town who knows Luffy is scum it alternatively he's always known Luffy is scum. I am not dumb and won't discount latter possibility. Mac would be kind of guy to go ballstothewall like that, he is my father

... you've been drinking haven't you Skyler.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So basically Luffy was looking decent until these b2b posts. Forgive the phone post.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p410695

First post I smelled a rat. Voting for a guy who I can see is getting votes but has not been central to the discourse. A weak candidate if you will. His explanation for his vote doesn't feel genuine. The kicker to me is that he is voting because he apparently has no better scum reads. In this game i find that very hard to believe. Easier for me to believe that he is choosing to distance the very scummy day 1 candidates. It also reads like buddying nutella which is strange. This could indicate tmi on nutella and she is civ. The way he reads her looks like a mafia civ reading a civ to me.

Then the next post he makes drives it home. Jay's hot new scum tell in full display. The best part is I can see that he did this to immediately distract from how bad the post before it was. He just fired a scattergun reads post out to decrease the chance of people looking at the one before it.

He is the bad man.

Why do I feel like you have suspected me early in every game we have played together?

Anyway, you make a bunch of assumptions about what you want the ideal civ play to be and think I'm bad because I don't follow them, which is a faulty premise.

No, I have no decent scum reads. Yes there are a bunch of people I'm mildly paranoid about, but I don't think I'm this good of a scumhunter to go around labeling them bad and sticking to it. I used to do that when I first joined this site and lost about 8 consecutive games as civ. So now I have a taboo against tunneling and being too sure about scum reads. I'd rather be rational and analyse people carefully, and I think it's easier to name civ reads and do a PoE instead.

I'm not buddying Nutella, I'm explicitely saying I think Nutella is civ, and I also agree with her post. Just because you are a lone wolf doesn't mean I have to be too.

And what is wrong with scattergun reads? You people post rainbow lists. I like to post those instead. Do you want me to link 5-6 examples of games where I was civ and did the same thing?

[MacDougall]

So basically Luffy was looking decent until these b2b posts. Forgive the phone post.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p410695

First post I smelled a rat. Voting for a guy who I can see is getting votes but has not been central to the discourse. A weak candidate if you will. His explanation for his vote doesn't feel genuine. The kicker to me is that he is voting because he apparently has no better scum reads. In this game i find that very hard to believe. Easier for me to believe that he is choosing to distance the very scummy day 1 candidates. It also reads like buddying nutella which is strange. This could indicate tmi on nutella and she is civ. The way he reads her looks like a mafia civ reading a civ to me.

Then the next post he makes drives it home. Jay's hot new scum tell in full display. The best part is I can see that he did this to immediately distract from how bad the post before it was. He just fired a scattergun reads post out to decrease the chance of people looking at the one before it.

He is the bad man.

Why do I feel like you have suspected me early in every game we have played together?

Anyway, you make a bunch of assumptions about what you want the ideal civ play to be and think I'm bad because I don't follow them, which is a faulty premise.

No, I have no decent scum reads. Yes there are a bunch of people I'm mildly paranoid about, but I don't think I'm this good of a scumhunter to go around labeling them bad and sticking to it. I used to do that when I first joined this site and lost about 8 consecutive games as civ. So now I have a taboo against tunneling and being too sure about scum reads. I'd rather be rational and analyse people carefully, and I think it's easier to name civ reads and do a PoE instead.

I'm not buddying Nutella, I'm explicitely saying I think Nutella is civ, and I also agree with her post. Just because you are a lone wolf doesn't mean I have to be too.

And what is wrong with scattergun reads? You people post rainbow lists. I like to post those instead. Do you want me to link 5-6 examples of games where I was civ and did the same thing?

Yes please.

[nutella]

So basically Luffy was looking decent until these b2b posts. Forgive the phone post.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p410695

First post I smelled a rat. Voting for a guy who I can see is getting votes but has not been central to the discourse. A weak candidate if you will. His explanation for his vote doesn't feel genuine. The kicker to me is that he is voting because he apparently has no better scum reads. In this game i find that very hard to believe. Easier for me to believe that he is choosing to distance the very scummy day 1 candidates. It also reads like buddying nutella which is strange. This could indicate tmi on nutella and she is civ. The way he reads her looks like a mafia civ reading a civ to me.

Then the next post he makes drives it home. Jay's hot new scum tell in full display. The best part is I can see that he did this to immediately distract from how bad the post before it was. He just fired a scattergun reads post out to decrease the chance of people looking at the one before it.

He is the bad man.

Hmm this is actually pretty compelling. Those posts look pretty bad -- the second one is pure waffle salad

[MacDougall]

Note. He played the man hard in that post.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

or do you believe him now I don't understand rundontwalk

Seems like he's either town who knows Luffy is scum it alternatively he's always known Luffy is scum. I am not dumb and won't discount latter possibility. Mac would be kind of guy to go ballstothewall like that, he is my father

For me it seems like he has an overconfident playstyle and likes to assume all his reads are always correct. Which is fine, some people play that way.

I just don't anymore.

[MacDougall]

or do you believe him now I don't understand rundontwalk

Seems like he's either town who knows Luffy is scum it alternatively he's always known Luffy is scum. I am not dumb and won't discount latter possibility. Mac would be kind of guy to go ballstothewall like that, he is my father

For me it seems like he has an overconfident playstyle and likes to assume all his reads are always correct. Which is fine, some people play that way.

I just don't anymore.

Playing the man again.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

or do you believe him now I don't understand rundontwalk

Seems like he's either town who knows Luffy is scum it alternatively he's always known Luffy is scum. I am not dumb and won't discount latter possibility. Mac would be kind of guy to go ballstothewall like that, he is my father

For me it seems like he has an overconfident playstyle and likes to assume all his reads are always correct. Which is fine, some people play that way.

I just don't anymore.

Playing the man again.

I'm not a native English speaker so I don't get this expression. Explain?

[MacDougall]

Note the way he is talking to me is exposing that he knows he is talking to a civilian.

Playing the man is a poker term. It means rather than playing the game you are just playing the player without looking at your cards. In this case I am using it to describe the way your immediate intention is to fully discredit me rather than the points I raised. You did address them but your first agenda was to make me look bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Took a quick review of EoD3:

- Nutella and Eoi look great
- Speedchuck looks off for jumping on Wilgy to save himself nstead of Jay. Could see a Jay/Speed team-up.
- Bob looks Eh. He dropped out of the Jay thing when people started doing t, but jumped in again when they started coming bck. Jack looks similar to Bob in that regard.
- Eloh looks bad too.
- Sloonei looks awful. I bet he has the worst vote tracking out of anyone this game. The way he kept doing 180º turns on Jay, and those turns matched the flow of the thread is pingy as fuck, and also looks artificial. I'm only second doubting it because it threads close to "so bad it's good" territory, I actually doubt a true bad Sloonei would goof that hard. The Night 3 lynch feels similar too.

If Wilgy is a civ, Gman and Never look terrible from the last lynch.

I want to lynch Never.

Also holy shit Gengar. Mafia surely has been feeding each other powers.

Let's do the thing I proposed myself:

Wilgy: the guy seems to be playing similarly to how MM does. Which is really weird. He asked some useful questions in the game, and shows some mild interest in hunting baddies, but his methods are questionable. I don't get his exercise, it looks like an attempt of spotting protagonists, and honestly I think we should avoid that. I guess that's a neutral read.

FZ: I liked her way of playing until now, she has been agressive yet considering all options. Not much to say other than a civ read.

kneel4justice: similar to FZ, but with a bigger post volume. His posts are huge, he talks about everyone, he seems to be changing his opinions a lot. Also he voted Enrique but I haven't seen him talking about Enrique a lot in this day 2? Do you still read him as mafia? Anyway, he is playing the kind of game a baddie could hide behind, but that's a longshot. For now, slight civ read.

Metalmarsh: Between him and WIlgy, I think Wilgy is being the more productive one. MM has said barely nothing useful. But he looks suspicious every single game. That said, I've seen him make some productive posts before, and his last few seem to be an attempt at that. I need to see more. Neutral read for now.

Civ in all three games.

I hope you enjoy your salad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Note the way he is talking to me is exposing that he knows he is talking to a civilian.

Playing the man is a poker term. It means rather than playing the game you are just playing the player without looking at your cards. In this case I am using it to describe the way your immediate intention is to fully discredit me rather than the points I raised. You did address them but your first agenda was to make me look bad.

No, I think I'm talking to a civ. I can understand where you're coming from, because I've played with civ you before, and with people who acted like you while scumhunting. I've also played with bad you, and I remember calling you bad 2 days before everyone else did because I noticed you were much less aggressive than usual. You are not that hard to read.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I also want to make you look bad because you are legit making me angry.

But that is not related to the game.

[ColinIsCool]

Why would Mac sacrifice a scummate who currently has zero votes?

Because assumption will be he is town. Every single time I'm scum I sacrifice a scum mate when convenient for me.

Yeah, I get why it’s a good strategy but it depends on other stuff happening usually. You’re telling me when you play scum, you volunteer a teammate as the day is winding down and there’s significant lynch momentum against someone else (or in this case, two someones) entirely?

#ballstothewall, indeed

[MacDougall]

Took a quick review of EoD3:

- Nutella and Eoi look great
- Speedchuck looks off for jumping on Wilgy to save himself nstead of Jay. Could see a Jay/Speed team-up.
- Bob looks Eh. He dropped out of the Jay thing when people started doing t, but jumped in again when they started coming bck. Jack looks similar to Bob in that regard.
- Eloh looks bad too.
- Sloonei looks awful. I bet he has the worst vote tracking out of anyone this game. The way he kept doing 180º turns on Jay, and those turns matched the flow of the thread is pingy as fuck, and also looks artificial. I'm only second doubting it because it threads close to "so bad it's good" territory, I actually doubt a true bad Sloonei would goof that hard. The Night 3 lynch feels similar too.

If Wilgy is a civ, Gman and Never look terrible from the last lynch.

I want to lynch Never.

Also holy shit Gengar. Mafia surely has been feeding each other powers.

Let's do the thing I proposed myself:

Wilgy: the guy seems to be playing similarly to how MM does. Which is really weird. He asked some useful questions in the game, and shows some mild interest in hunting baddies, but his methods are questionable. I don't get his exercise, it looks like an attempt of spotting protagonists, and honestly I think we should avoid that. I guess that's a neutral read.

FZ: I liked her way of playing until now, she has been agressive yet considering all options. Not much to say other than a civ read.

kneel4justice: similar to FZ, but with a bigger post volume. His posts are huge, he talks about everyone, he seems to be changing his opinions a lot. Also he voted Enrique but I haven't seen him talking about Enrique a lot in this day 2? Do you still read him as mafia? Anyway, he is playing the kind of game a baddie could hide behind, but that's a longshot. For now, slight civ read.

Metalmarsh: Between him and WIlgy, I think Wilgy is being the more productive one. MM has said barely nothing useful. But he looks suspicious every single game. That said, I've seen him make some productive posts before, and his last few seem to be an attempt at that. I need to see more. Neutral read for now.

Civ in all three games.

I hope you enjoy your salad.

First one is an analysis of an end of day specifically. The second one doesn't count at all. Third one, what is the exercise you are talking about?

Thanks for going to the effort.