Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[Epignosis]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

[DharmaHelper]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

[Epignosis]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

[Quin]

huh. okay.

FUCK I BROKE CHARACTER FORGIVE ME AUBERGINE

[DharmaHelper]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

You think I care what Quin would have flipped? It doesn't matter nor does it make you any less suspect

[Quin]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

What does being on the sidelines mean exactly?

[Quin]

speedchuck, if you are immune, why did you vote Quin?

thank you for this nice question, epignosis

[DharmaHelper]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

What does being on the sidelines mean exactly?

Does it mean waiting until the eleventh hour to vote for someone you hadn't mentioned let alone suspected for the previous 47 hours 58 minutes

[Quin]

speedchuck
Long Con
sprityo
S~V~S
Quin
Epignosis
nutella
Dragon D Luffy
Dharmahelper
colonialbob
dom

Readlist

I'd rather lynch DDL or Dom, but I'm okay with a Quin lynch.

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

[DharmaHelper]

SOMETHING IS ROTTEN IN DENMARK
J'ACCUSE. SPEEDCHUCK
J'ACCUSE

[Quin]

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE

[S~V~S]

Leave you guys alone for a few hours, and wtf?

[DharmaHelper]

Epignosis you took umbrage with several of Speedchuck's posts and theories and ideas over the course of the day, and ultimately found him mildly suspicious. Why then would you find Quin equally suspicious for "being on the sidelines" after not mentioning him over the course of the phase.

[DharmaHelper]

Epignosis you took umbrage with several of Speedchuck's posts and theories and ideas over the course of the day, and ultimately found him mildly suspicious. Why then would you find Quin equally suspicious for "being on the sidelines" after not mentioning him over the course of the phase.

Yikes, correction, it's actually worse.

Epi, you found speedchuck and I quote "moderately" suspect. You found Quin and I quote "mildly" suspect. So which is more severe, moderate or mild? If the goal was to make sure Sprityo didn't get lynched, your vote would have been effective on Speedchuck, right? IDL. Seems sketch.

[S~V~S]

I'm starting to think the double-life issue won't be as large of an obstacle as I initially believed.

In addition, I want to lynch someone who can actually be lynched today.

You said this at 2 o"clock today.

The only person known to be lynchable was Sprit. You chose to vote for someone you had not previously mentioned for being on the "sidelines" having a high post content but no meat (says the guy who has mostly only talked about mechanics) in order to save the one person we believed could be actually lynched today.

I gotta think about this.

[Quin]

DH and SVS are my mummy and daddy in this game and I trust them unconditionally.

[DharmaHelper]

So, just so I have this figured out, Epignosis and Speedchuck combined forces like 2-5 minutes before the poll was set to end in order to put votes off of Chuck and onto Quin. *EVEN THOUGH*

- Chuck had Quin in the Green on his silly silly rainbow list, and then said he was cool with a Quin lynch. So Chuck is cool lynching people he thinks are civ? Gambling that Quin had a haiku protection aside, that's kinda sketch

- Epi actually seems to have suspected Speedchuck MORE than Quin, and had a solid, tangible reason for doing so. His reason for voting Quin was weak AF.


I mean sometimes you gotta work for it, and sometimes they just hand it to you on a plate. Good one lads.

[DharmaHelper]

DH and SVS are my mummy and daddy in this game and I trust them unconditionally.

Mummy and Daddy, respectively?

[Quin]

How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

[S~V~S]

People are contradicting themselves left and right (sprit knew I brought up the RR, yet he voted for DH becasue he thought he did, and Epi wanting to lynch someone who would actually die, and then voting for someone for a total weaksauce reason in order to save the one guy we know can be lynched), and then LC asking Chuck that question that actually referred to Sprit, and CHUCK ANSWERED and no one seems to care about any of that.

People normally get pinned to the wall for that shit. Is this how CC 123 went?

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

OMG It's Negan

[Quin]

How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

and just to elaborate, speed has sprityo as a strong townread, so it was me or...nobody.

[DharmaHelper]

Seems incredibly elaborate, almost unnecessarily so, in a civ context. I dunno.

[Quin]

that contradiction on speeds part just seems so lazy i have a hard time believing it comes from scum.

[DharmaHelper]

People are contradicting themselves left and right (sprit knew I brought up the RR, yet he voted for DH becasue he thought he did, and Epi wanting to lynch someone who would actually die, and then voting for someone for a total weaksauce reason in order to save the one guy we know can be lynched), and then LC asking Chuck that question that actually referred to Sprit, and CHUCK ANSWERED and no one seems to care about any of that.

People normally get pinned to the wall for that shit. Is this how CC 123 went?

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

OMG It's Negan

You're right that was a very strange first day.

[S~V~S]

So strange that I need to think it all over. Can you imagine trying to spread sheet this?

I wonder if anyone died on the other side?

[DharmaHelper]

We can only hope someone died on the other side, that is if this will evolve into a tribe versus tribe scenario. Not to worry, fellow Pikachus. Negan's tribe is undefeated in survivor.

[Quin]

We can only hope someone died on the other side, that is if this will evolve into a tribe versus tribe scenario. Not to worry, fellow Pikachus. Negan's tribe is undefeated in survivor.

maybe negan will make merge this time huh

[DharmaHelper]

We can only hope someone died on the other side, that is if this will evolve into a tribe versus tribe scenario. Not to worry, fellow Pikachus. Negan's tribe is undefeated in survivor.

maybe negan will make merge this time huh

Assuming you two don't BRUTALLY AND MERCILESSLY BETRAY ME

[S~V~S]

[Epignosis]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

You think I care what Quin would have flipped? It doesn't matter nor does it make you any less suspect

What was my purpose in voting Quin last minute?

[Epignosis]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

What does being on the sidelines mean exactly?

It means that, in my judgment, you said nothing noteworthy with respect to taking one side or the other, that you were content to watch others get into things but not comment on affairs yourself.

[Epignosis]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

What does being on the sidelines mean exactly?

Does it mean waiting until the eleventh hour to vote for someone you hadn't mentioned let alone suspected for the previous 47 hours 58 minutes

Nope.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis you took umbrage with several of Speedchuck's posts and theories and ideas over the course of the day, and ultimately found him mildly suspicious. Why then would you find Quin equally suspicious for "being on the sidelines" after not mentioning him over the course of the phase.

Yikes, correction, it's actually worse.

Epi, you found speedchuck and I quote "moderately" suspect. You found Quin and I quote "mildly" suspect. So which is more severe, moderate or mild? If the goal was to make sure Sprityo didn't get lynched, your vote would have been effective on Speedchuck, right? IDL. Seems sketch.

I explained why I voted Quin. It had more to do with sprityo and less to do with Quin or speedchuck.

I don't care how I look to you. I know my own intentions.

[Quin]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

What does being on the sidelines mean exactly?

It means that, in my judgment, you said nothing noteworthy with respect to taking one side or the other, that you were content to watch others get into things but not comment on affairs yourself.

but...i commented on lots of things.

[Epignosis]

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

What is your answer to my proposal that you have to believe one of two arguments in order for sprityo to be bad?

[Epignosis]

I'm starting to think the double-life issue won't be as large of an obstacle as I initially believed.

In addition, I want to lynch someone who can actually be lynched today.

You said this at 2 o"clock today.

The only person known to be lynchable was Sprit. You chose to vote for someone you had not previously mentioned for being on the "sidelines" having a high post content but no meat (says the guy who has mostly only talked about mechanics) in order to save the one person we believed could be actually lynched today.

I gotta think about this.

That's true. And then I said this at 3:30:

Question for the field:

What did i miss huh?
I did not submit a poem
I mean haiku. oops.

If you are mafia, is your first move to admit that you did not submit a poem?

If he only skimmed the host post, possibly. I don't think ANYONE regardless of affiliation would admit that unless they had skimmed the host post. It is possible he came in before hitting the chat, or even that no one was in the chat.

And Chuck, LC, is it true that Chuck and Sprit made the same error regarding DH originating the RR?

linki @ DH, yeah.

I think that, with certain exceptions, mafia tend to be somewhat more careful than civilians. sprityo followed the above up with this:

naw i didnt submit one, im a sitting duck. What can i say? i dont like haikus. that and i didnt believe it'd actually do something


You think im a smart person?

And then this:

i'd hope i dont get lynched day 1, im super excited about playing!

This indicates to me that sprityo is playing loose and not really paying attention. Look at that last quote: He hopes he doesn't get lynched Day 1 because he's super excited about playing? Was he unaware that getting lynched would not preclude him from playing further?

If you think sprityo is bad, then I think you either have to make the argument that these posts are fake, or that sprityo is completely comfortable playing the loose cannon and depriving his team of one of his lives and abilities this early, even though Days 1 generate the easiest civilian lynches.

I don't think either one of those things is the case.

[DharmaHelper]

Some suspicious shit WAS going on. You guys voted for Quin out of the blue nowhere with like *maybe* two minutes left on the poll. You don't find that suspicious?

I don't agree. I had not voted at all. I wait until the last minute often to vote. Where would have had me vote?

I'll tell you what if I do a re-read of your posts and you mention a suspicion of Quin I will pull back and assume you are legit for now.

You won't find any. My suspicion of Quin came at the eleventh hour.

You are still acting like a civilian got lynched. That didn't happen. If speedchuck was being truthful, the same result would have occurred if I had voted for him.

You think I care what Quin would have flipped? It doesn't matter nor does it make you any less suspect

What was my purpose in voting Quin last minute?

If I knew that I wouldn't be on your jock about a very suspicious last minute vote.

[Epignosis]

How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

If this were the case, why would I go out of my way to accuse speedchuck, only to turn around and "save him?"

I swear, as someone who has been mafia on this site so many times, people make really silly assumptions about what I would do if I were bad.

I am a civilian who wanted to protect someone who I am confident is a civilian. I did not know how Golden would resolve the lynch, so I voted to tie up Quin and speedchuck.

The fucked up thing here is that nobody died, and so the assumption that I'm mafia is because a) I made a quick decision after trying to digest as much as I could without running out of time, and b) nobody even knows if Quin is bad or not.

That's garbage.

Come at me.

[S~V~S]

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

What is your answer to my proposal that you have to believe one of two arguments in order for sprityo to be bad?

I disagree with your basic premise that the actions of a third party are predictable as you seem to think they are, especially under these circumstances. I think he is either bad or could care less about this game.

[Quin]

How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

If this were the case, why would I go out of my way to accuse speedchuck, only to turn around and "save him?"

I swear, as someone who has been mafia on this site so many times, people make really silly assumptions about what I would do if I were bad.

I am a civilian who wanted to protect someone who I am confident is a civilian. I did not know how Golden would resolve the lynch, so I voted to tie up Quin and speedchuck.

The fucked up thing here is that nobody died, and so the assumption that I'm mafia is because a) I made a quick decision after trying to digest as much as I could without running out of time, and b) nobody even knows if Quin is bad or not.

That's garbage.

Come at me.

teehee

[Epignosis]

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

What is your answer to my proposal that you have to believe one of two arguments in order for sprityo to be bad?

I disagree with your basic premise that the actions of a third party are predictable as you seem to think they are, especially under these circumstances. I think he is either bad or could care less about this game.

What do you mean by third party?

[speedchuck]

How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

and just to elaborate, speed has sprityo as a strong townread, so it was me or...nobody.

Sounds about right. Though I read sprit as town, and thought this might be trickle down, sooo I think between this and epis posts, you guys can figure my reasons.

On phone. I'm okay with no lynch happening. See you guys tomorrow

[S~V~S]

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

What is your answer to my proposal that you have to believe one of two arguments in order for sprityo to be bad?

I disagree with your basic premise that the actions of a third party are predictable as you seem to think they are, especially under these circumstances. I think he is either bad or could care less about this game.

What do you mean by third party?

A person not you or I, the first party and the second party. A third party is a person not actually taking part in the discussion. In this case, Sprityo. What else would it mean? We can't predict what a third party would do because we don't have eñough information.

I think making assumptions based on what someone "would" or "would not" do doesnt have an immense amount of validity under the conditions in this game. So I find your initial premise, based on what sprit would do, invalid, and I dont have to believe one of two arguments, or any arguments, for that matter, that are based on a what I feel is a false premise.

[Epignosis]

And Epi thinks sprit is a civ because of a big wifom thing in a game where people don't die, so wifom is useless as a diag tool until after we all have died once. Any argument based on "would" is useless.

What is your answer to my proposal that you have to believe one of two arguments in order for sprityo to be bad?

I disagree with your basic premise that the actions of a third party are predictable as you seem to think they are, especially under these circumstances. I think he is either bad or could care less about this game.

What do you mean by third party?

A person not you or I, the first party and the second party. A third party is a person not actually taking part in the discussion. In this case, Sprityo. What else would it mean? We can't predict what a third party would do because we don't have eñough information.

I think making assumptions based on what someone "would" or "would not" do doesnt have an immense amount of validity under the conditions in this game. So I find your initial premise, based on what sprit would do, invalid, and I dont have to believe one of two arguments, or any arguments, for that matter, that are based on a what I feel is a false premise.

I was taking third party to mean "independent" (neither civilian or mafia), but that didn't make sense.

I wasn't making assumptions about sprityo. I was making judgments, which is necessary to move forward. I do not believe sprityo's posts were fake, and I do not believe sprityo was playing a loose cannon mafia member, which are the only two frameworks that make sense in the universe that sprityo is mafia. Unless you can convince me of another scenario in which mafia sprityo makes those posts I quoted, then I'm sticking with what I think.

[Epignosis]

A person not you or I, the first party and the second party. A third party is a person not actually taking part in the discussion. In this case, Sprityo. What else would it mean? We can't predict what a third party would do because we don't have eñough information.

Also, S~V~S secretly turned Spanish. Let's lynch her for linguistic reasons.

[S~V~S]

I am not trying to convince you at this phase. It's early and things can change. This is my opinion, but I am not confident enough in it to try to press it aggressively.

Today was very freaking weird (kudos to hosts :Daisy : ) so let's see where tomorrow takes us.

Linki, my old crappy tablet gives me rogue euro vowels on occasion, lol.

[S~V~S]

[Epignosis]

The Rogue Euro Vowels sounds like a New Wave band.

[Quin]

How's this: Epi and chuck have BTSC and speedchuck didn't send in a haiku. It could explain both contradictions, since it seemed I was the only one with enough votes to save speed. I do think there is value is distancing as civilians who have BTSC.

linki: yeah, why not?

and just to elaborate, speed has sprityo as a strong townread, so it was me or...nobody.

Sounds about right. Though I read sprit as town, and thought this might be trickle down, sooo I think between this and epis posts, you guys can figure my reasons.

On phone. I'm okay with no lynch happening. See you guys tomorrow

So are you saying you didn't send a haiku?

[nutella]

hmmmmmmm.

I don't think Epi looks suspicious. Speedchuck maybe. Trying to figure out if something in particular is the case though.