Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Kites]

**** ****** ******* Ring

This was TonyStark’s PM last night. Which lines up perfectly with what happened. If he was scum he probably would have had some other power, but then again it may be a passive one.

Lol. I targeted Tony too. He IDs from Goodguyia.

@TonyStarkPrime, please explain why you claimed to be from Badguyia.

It should be noted that these misdirections are largely targeted to a random other player. This isn't like a bus drive wherein the new target is specifically selected.

Well whoever misdirected me, thanks...now we have no idea who I targeted and wasted a positive ID.

I suspect DDL and to a greater degree Marmot, so I'd say no.

Neither of these players are scum, barring misdirections.

We are beyond being coy, and the rules permit dumps. Dump.

....what more does he have to say? he has a cop role and he's already cleared Marmot before, idr about DDL, but like.... I think this is self-explanatory

Yeah, I dumped Marmot on D4. DDL was my first check, back on N1

THIS DOESN’T ADD UP

dunya targeted Tony nd was misdirected on n1 and speedchuck says he got a result on DDL n1

[VOTE: SPEEDCHUCK] aubergine

there’s no reason for him to be alive as he will become a bigger threat to mafia everytime the number of players goes down

[Jackofhearts2005]

Thanks Jackofhearts2005 for the fun game!

Thanks for playing.

[Kylemii]

**** ****** ******* Ring

This was TonyStark’s PM last night. Which lines up perfectly with what happened. If he was scum he probably would have had some other power, but then again it may be a passive one.

Lol. I targeted Tony too. He IDs from Goodguyia.

TonyStarkPrime, please explain why you claimed to be from Badguyia.

It should be noted that these misdirections are largely targeted to a random other player. This isn't like a bus drive wherein the new target is specifically selected.

Well whoever misdirected me, thanks...now we have no idea who I targeted and wasted a positive ID.

I suspect DDL and to a greater degree Marmot, so I'd say no.

Neither of these players are scum, barring misdirections.

We are beyond being coy, and the rules permit dumps. Dump.

....what more does he have to say? he has a cop role and he's already cleared Marmot before, idr about DDL, but like.... I think this is self-explanatory

Yeah, I dumped Marmot on D4. DDL was my first check, back on N1

THIS DOESN’T ADD UP

dunya targeted Tony nd was misdirected on n1 and speedchuck says he got a result on DDL n1

[VOTE: SPEEDCHUCK] aubergine

there’s no reason for him to be alive as he will become a bigger threat to mafia everytime the number of players goes down

but why would speedchuck lie about a target he had on a night he wasn't even playing during? what's the actual benefit? isn't it more likely it was just a mistake

[Kites]

he has said several times he copped DDL so it’s a weird mistake but let’s hear him

[Kylemii]

ddl was speedchuck's first target on night 2, but it was for a vote steal, not an allegience check.

it's impossible for speedchuck to have ever targeted ddl for an allegience check and for all the other things he's said to have been also true... isn't it? [mention]speedchuck[/mention] plz clarify what nights you targeted which players along with what region they came from? thank you.

[colonialbob]

there are only two mafia left and only so many players who could even possibly be mafia based on mechanics and shit

this game is absolutely solvable by process of elimination at this point, i think

unless my math is wrong, we have 3 chances to get our next mafia lynch (unless speedchuck is mafia in which case we only have 2 chances)

if we can narrow down our communal suspect list to 3 most likely scum players then that would go a huge distance towards a victory

Strictly mechanically:

If gwilikers is town, Kites is town. If Kites is town, neither Sig nor nutella made the kill last night (doesn't prove they aren't mafia but is a point in their favor).

If Kenway is town, I didn't make the kill last night (same as above).

Any other mechanical clears?

[rundontwalk]

[vote,]gwilikers[/vote]

[rundontwalk]

[VOTE: gwilikers] aubergine

[colonialbob]

[VOTE: gwilikers] aubergine

Reasoning please

[speedchuck]

**** ****** ******* Ring

This was TonyStark’s PM last night. Which lines up perfectly with what happened. If he was scum he probably would have had some other power, but then again it may be a passive one.

Lol. I targeted Tony too. He IDs from Goodguyia.

TonyStarkPrime, please explain why you claimed to be from Badguyia.

It should be noted that these misdirections are largely targeted to a random other player. This isn't like a bus drive wherein the new target is specifically selected.

Well whoever misdirected me, thanks...now we have no idea who I targeted and wasted a positive ID.

I suspect DDL and to a greater degree Marmot, so I'd say no.

Neither of these players are scum, barring misdirections.

We are beyond being coy, and the rules permit dumps. Dump.

....what more does he have to say? he has a cop role and he's already cleared Marmot before, idr about DDL, but like.... I think this is self-explanatory

Yeah, I dumped Marmot on D4. DDL was my first check, back on N1

THIS DOESN’T ADD UP

dunya targeted Tony nd was misdirected on n1 and speedchuck says he got a result on DDL n1

[VOTE: SPEEDCHUCK] aubergine

there’s no reason for him to be alive as he will become a bigger threat to mafia everytime the number of players goes down

I wasn't there and ended up asking what my results were. It might be a host clarification mistake with the misdirection and my asking days later. I had no idea any misdirections happened, and I'm not privy to Dunya's PMs.

News to me.

For [mention]Kylemii[/mention]
N1 - DDL
N3 - Marmot
N5 - lapluie
N7 - didn't work

I got Good guy on all checks

[Kites]

hmm makes sense
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[Kites]

there are only two mafia left and only so many players who could even possibly be mafia based on mechanics and shit

this game is absolutely solvable by process of elimination at this point, i think

unless my math is wrong, we have 3 chances to get our next mafia lynch (unless speedchuck is mafia in which case we only have 2 chances)

if we can narrow down our communal suspect list to 3 most likely scum players then that would go a huge distance towards a victory

Strictly mechanically:

If gwilikers is town, Kites is town. If Kites is town, neither Sig nor nutella made the kill last night (doesn't prove they aren't mafia but is a point in their favor).

If Kenway is town, I didn't make the kill last night (same as above).

Any other mechanical clears?

make that two points for nutella and sig

i prevented fliers from targeting DDL

[Kites]

process of elimination
[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

have at it

[rundontwalk]

[VOTE: gwilikers] aubergine

Reasoning please

Since like the first day Ive thought he could be wildcard scum. Just a hunch really but if I was scum I'd want to fake claim his role. And it's convenient his role didn't work when iron dwarf was on chopping block

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: gwilikers] aubergine

Reasoning please

Since like the first day Ive thought he could be wildcard scum. Just a hunch really but if I was scum I'd want to fake claim his role. And it's convenient his role didn't work when iron dwarf was on chopping block

Do you think Kites is scum?

[colonialbob]

process of elimination
[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

have at it

Do you believe Kenway is mafia?

[colonialbob]

[VOTE: gwilikers] aubergine

Reasoning please

Since like the first day Ive thought he could be wildcard scum. Just a hunch really but if I was scum I'd want to fake claim his role. And it's convenient his role didn't work when iron dwarf was on chopping block

Fake claim? You mean his Kites result?

[nutella]

process of elimination
[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

have at it

Do you believe Kenway is mafia?

does your alignment somehow depend on kenway's? what did I miss

anyway yeah I'm POEing cbob and... rdw I guess, or maaaayyybe sig but that feels less likely

[VOTE: cbob] aubergine

[gwilikers6]

anyways I didn’t allow fliers to target sprityo so nutella and sig didn’t do that if i wasnt misdirected

I am a doctor. I protected spirityo. So barring shenanigans only a horseman could have performed the kill.

[speedchuck]

anyways I didn’t allow fliers to target sprityo so nutella and sig didn’t do that if i wasnt misdirected

I am a doctor. I protected spirityo. So barring shenanigans only a horseman could have performed the kill.

So it's RDW or redirection?

[speedchuck]

Who else has horses?

[gwilikers6]

I believe Kenway also has a horse. But rdw is the more likely of the two I’d say.

[gwilikers6]

[VOTE: gwilikers] aubergine

Reasoning please

Since like the first day Ive thought he could be wildcard scum. Just a hunch really but if I was scum I'd want to fake claim his role. And it's convenient his role didn't work when iron dwarf was on chopping block

Either you’re scum or you’re not paying attention cuz like none of this makes sense.

[Jackofhearts2005]

As a reminder, please vote in the thread and the poll or your vote may not count.

[colonialbob]

process of elimination
[VOTE: colonialbob] aubergine

have at it

Do you believe Kenway is mafia?

does your alignment somehow depend on kenway's? what did I miss

anyway yeah I'm POEing cbob and... rdw I guess, or maaaayyybe sig but that feels less likely

[VOTE: cbob] aubergine

Kenway targeted me last night, swapping my power, so if I made the kill it wouldn't have worked.

I could still be mafia, but I didn't make the kill last night, so I'm a bad choice for today. (Same with you and sig)

[colonialbob]

I believe Kenway also has a horse. But rdw is the more likely of the two I’d say.

[VOTE: rdw ] aubergine

[colonialbob]

[mention]nutella[/mention] who was your target last night? (Assuming you still misdirect, right?)

[Kites]

anyways I didn’t allow fliers to target sprityo so nutella and sig didn’t do that if i wasnt misdirected

I am a doctor. I protected spirityo. So barring shenanigans only a horseman could have performed the kill.

bob has a horse

[Kites]

bob didn’t remind us he has a horse and tries to distract cos he killed sprityo

[colonialbob]

bob didn’t remind us he has a horse and tries to distract cos he killed sprityo

Except kenway targeted me last night.

[speedchuck]

RDW, Kenway, and Bob all have horses.

From what I'm gathering, either Kenway and Bob are scum together, RDW is scum with someone, or a LOT of redirecting might have happened.

[Kites]

but kenway said he is a vig
does he still have the old power

[colonialbob]

RDW, Kenway, and Bob all have horses.

From what I'm gathering, either Kenway and Bob are scum together, RDW is scum with someone, or a LOT of redirecting might have happened.

I think that's a pretty good summary.

It's also possible (mechanically) that RDW and I are scum together and he bodyguarded me to protect me from the mage, which I *think* would've worked?

I didn't MD last night. Are there any other MD powers besides nutella?

[speedchuck]

I would like to know what our resident vigs did.

[Kites]

based on this horse thing i could actually go for a rdw lynch too

i still think drwhite lynch happened because one of his voters used a power or something

he has a double life though so it’ll be kinda frustrating

[Kylemii]

I wasn't there and ended up asking what my results were. It might be a host clarification mistake with the misdirection and my asking days later. I had no idea any misdirections happened, and I'm not privy to Dunya's PMs.

News to me.

For Kylemii
N1 - DDL
N3 - Marmot
N5 - lapluie
N7 - didn't work

I got Good guy on all checks

if you knew DDL was civ then what was the motivation behind stealing his vote on night 2?

[speedchuck]

I wasn't there and ended up asking what my results were. It might be a host clarification mistake with the misdirection and my asking days later. I had no idea any misdirections happened, and I'm not privy to Dunya's PMs.

News to me.

For Kylemii
N1 - DDL
N3 - Marmot
N5 - lapluie
N7 - didn't work

I got Good guy on all checks

if you knew DDL was civ then what was the motivation behind stealing his vote on night 2?

Like I said earlier, I didn't know that. I had to go back and ask for Dunya's results. Which I did around the time I copped Marmot. Otherwise I would have mentioned DDL's towncred earlier.

[Kylemii]

I wasn't there and ended up asking what my results were. It might be a host clarification mistake with the misdirection and my asking days later. I had no idea any misdirections happened, and I'm not privy to Dunya's PMs.

News to me.

For Kylemii
N1 - DDL
N3 - Marmot
N5 - lapluie
N7 - didn't work

I got Good guy on all checks

if you knew DDL was civ then what was the motivation behind stealing his vote on night 2?

Like I said earlier, I didn't know that. I had to go back and ask for Dunya's results. Which I did around the time I copped Marmot. Otherwise I would have mentioned DDL's towncred earlier.

hm... so is the theory that Dunya was misdirected from Tony and got a different result because of misdirection and then later on the host went back to answer your question and mistakenly gave you the final misdirected results including the misdirection target instead of dunya's actual target?

[speedchuck]

I wasn't there and ended up asking what my results were. It might be a host clarification mistake with the misdirection and my asking days later. I had no idea any misdirections happened, and I'm not privy to Dunya's PMs.

News to me.

For Kylemii
N1 - DDL
N3 - Marmot
N5 - lapluie
N7 - didn't work

I got Good guy on all checks

if you knew DDL was civ then what was the motivation behind stealing his vote on night 2?

Like I said earlier, I didn't know that. I had to go back and ask for Dunya's results. Which I did around the time I copped Marmot. Otherwise I would have mentioned DDL's towncred earlier.

hm... so is the theory that Dunya was misdirected from Tony and got a different result because of misdirection and then later on the host went back to answer your question and mistakenly gave you the final misdirected results including the misdirection target instead of dunya's actual target?

I think so

I could go back and ask him again, but I doubt I'd get an answer at this point.

[Kylemii]

you could ask, it would definitely squish away that last little bit of doubt, but it seems plausible enough.

there's already evidence of the mafia tampering with yours and dunya's targets it doesn't seem too crazy that Jack would make a mistake like that especially with how many misdirects there are in this game

[Kylemii]

alright so assuming gwilikers and kites are telling the truth about their targets and weren't misdirected, only a horseperson could have killed sprityo last night right? and if kenway is telling the truth about reversing cbob (and also wasn't misdirected) then that leaves kenway and rdw as potential killers, correct? are there any other horses?

[Kylemii]

we should consider that the mafia was able to kill epignosis through sprityo's protection, however sprityo was a known doctor and gwilikers didn't reveal his PHD until today, so he couldn't have been tampered with for that purpose, right?

[speedchuck]

alright so assuming gwilikers and kites are telling the truth about their targets and weren't misdirected, only a horseperson could have killed sprityo last night right? and if kenway is telling the truth about reversing cbob (and also wasn't misdirected) then that leaves kenway and rdw as potential killers, correct? are there any other horses?

cbob

[speedchuck]

we should consider that the mafia was able to kill epignosis through sprityo's protection, however sprityo was a known doctor and gwilikers didn't reveal his PHD until today, so he couldn't have been tampered with for that purpose, right?

I was thinking Gwil said something about doctorin yesterday

[Kylemii]

alright so assuming gwilikers and kites are telling the truth about their targets and weren't misdirected, only a horseperson could have killed sprityo last night right? and if kenway is telling the truth about reversing cbob (and also wasn't misdirected) then that leaves kenway and rdw as potential killers, correct? are there any other horses?

cbob

if kenyway reversed cbob then he couldn't have carried out the kill

[speedchuck]

RDW, Kenway, and Bob all have horses.

From what I'm gathering, either Kenway and Bob are scum together, RDW is scum with someone, or a LOT of redirecting might have happened.

[Kylemii]

I just checked, gwil didn't mention being a doctor til day 9

[rundontwalk]

I have 2 lives so if we want to waste a lynch on me when I'm the town counter to Irondwarfs 2 lives, ok

[Kites]

there are no town/mafia counters cos the roles were drafted, the game was balanced with the secret powers given afterwards, me thinks

[gwilikers6]

we should consider that the mafia was able to kill epignosis through sprityo's protection, however sprityo was a known doctor and gwilikers didn't reveal his PHD until today, so he couldn't have been tampered with for that purpose, right?

I was thinking Gwil said something about doctorin yesterday

Nah I just said I had a new role. I wasn't going to reveal it until it was valuable to reveal. It's honestly a pretty shitty role and I wish I didn't upgrade, seeing as it'll only land if a footsoldier is responsible for the kill and I don't have the double vote power against scum thing any more.