Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[sig]

Day 1

[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

No vote: Dr. White, lapluie, Quin, rabbit8, sprityo

Kenway voted for TSP
Kyle was on Quin's wagon who was mafia. Interesting to note no flipped mafia was on Quin's wagon. OR the nutella wagon.

Day 2

CBob - Kites, Tony, Marmot, Iron, Mac
Lap - Quin, Nutella, LC, Jimmy, CBob
Dr White (lynched, town) - Colin, Speed, RDW
LC - DDL, Kyle
Marmot - Sig
Speed - Wilgy
Iron - GWilly
Sig - Sprityo
Nutella - Dr White
Jimmy - Epi

Kyle voted for LC with DDL. Both were civ
Kenway didn't vote?

Day 3

[6] JaggedJimmyJay - Dragon D. Luffy, McDougall, Epignosis, sprityo, Marmot, DrWilgy
[6] Iron_Dwarf - colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, gwilikers6, JaggedJimmyJay, Kylemii
[1] sig - Kenway
[1] DrWilgy - Long Con
[3] nutella - Iron_Dwarf, Quin, lapluie
[1] rundontwalk - Kites
[1] gwilikers6 - rundontwalk

No vote: sig (but a good effort)

Much vote manipulation. Very unexpect

Kyle voted for ID
Kenway voted for Sig

Day 4

9] DrWilgy - sig, Kites, Iron_Dwarf, Marmot, gwilikers6, Dragon D. Luffy, Quin, rundontwalk, Speedchuck
[6] Quin - lapluie, sprityo, nutella, Kylemii, colonialbob, Epignosis

Kyle went for Quin
Kenway didn't vote

Day 5

[8] Quin - Marmot, Nutella, Dragon D. Luffy, Sig, speedchuck, gwilikers6, Kylemii oh yeah and Kites, too
[4] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, sprityo, quin, Epignosis
[1] Nutella - lapluie
[1] Marmot - Iron_Dwarf
[1] Kenway - colonialbob

No vote: Kenway

Kyle second to last vote on Quin
Kenway no vote.

Day 6
[6] lapluie - sprityo, nutella, rundontwalk, gwilkkers6, Epignosis, Kylemii
[4] rundontwalk - colonialbob, Kites, sig, Dragon D. Luffy
[2] nutella - Iron_Dwarf, Speedchuck

Not voting: Kenway, lapluie





Day 7

Who gets lynched? (Vote here and in thread.)
Poll ended at Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:06 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.


Rundontwalk
1
6%
Voters: Iron_Dwarf
Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kenway
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gwilikers6
0
No votes
Voters: None
Nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Colonialbob
3
18%
Voters: Kites, rundontwalk, nutella
Epignosis
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
IronDwarf
2
12%
Voters: Kylemii, speedchuck
Sig
4
24%
Voters: colonialbob, Kenway, Epignosis, sprityo
Kites
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vote in thread, too, or you won’t be allowed to have nice things. Day ends when this poll ends. (Dead/non/host)
7
41%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, JaggedJimmyJay, Scotty, lapluie, Jackofhearts2005, Marmot, dunya



At this point, I expect you to start questioning my ability to count.

Kyle voted Lap day 6 ID day 7
Kenway no vote day 6 Sig Day 7

Who killed Princess Epi?
Poll ended at Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:55 pm
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rundontwalk
0
No votes
Voters: None
Speedchuck (formerly Dunya)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kenway
1
5%
Voters: Iron_Dwarf
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
gwilikers6
0
No votes
Voters: None
nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
colonialbob
0
No votes
Voters: None
Iron_Dwarf
6
32%
Voters: nutella, Kylemii, gwilikers6, speedchuck, Kites, colonialbob
sprityo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sig
1
5%
Voters: Kenway
Kites
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thumb! I was paying attention! (host/dead/non) Day ends at poll end. Don't forget to post your votes to the thread or you'll be arrested too.
11
58%
Voters: dunya, lapluie, TonyStarkPrime, Epignosis, MacDougall, sprityo, Dragon D. Luffy, Scotty, JaggedJimmyJay, Jackofhearts2005, insertnamehere
Total votes: 19

Kyle voted ID
Kenway voted Sig

Who is bad?
Poll ended at Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:07 pm
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Rundontwalk
5
26%
Voters: speedchuck, colonialbob, nutella, gwilikers6, Kylemii
Speedchuck/Dunya
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kenway
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Gwilikers6
0
No votes
Voters: None
Nutella
2
11%
Voters: sig, Kites
Colonialbob
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kites
0
No votes
Voters: None
You guys what if we have to lynch Jack? What if he’s the big bad? (host/dead/non)
12
63%
Voters: Marmot, Iron_Dwarf, JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy, Dragon D. Luffy, sprityo, MacDougall, lapluie, Scotty, Jackofhearts2005, Epignosis, dunya
Total votes: 19

Kyle voted for RDW
Don't see Kenway vote?

Who killed GWill?
Poll ended at Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:18 pm
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Rundontwalk
4
24%
Voters: speedchuck, nutella, colonialbob, Kylemii
Speedchuck (Dunya)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kenway
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kylemii
0
No votes
Voters: None
Nutella
1
6%
Voters: sig
Colonialbob
1
6%
Voters: rundontwalk
Sig
1
6%
Voters: Kenway
Kites
0
No votes
Voters: None
How are Rico and friends so bad at this game? Good guys aren’t supposed to die. (Host/Dead/Non)
10
59%
Voters: MacDougall, JaggedJimmyJay, lapluie, Marmot, Jackofhearts2005, Dragon D. Luffy, MovingPictures07, Epignosis, Scotty, sprityo
Total votes: 17

Kenway voted for me again
Kyle voted for rdw


I'd love to say kenway was mafia and I killed him thus saving the game for town. HOWEVER, I'm not really that trusting of my vig ability to say that's the case. The question than who do we believe is mafia Kenway or Kyle?

If it's kyle someone misdirected mafia kill that simply and we should be able to clarify that as soon as the other players check in. Than it's quite literally easy sailing to civ windom.

If nobody misdirected anyone than it had to be Kenway. Which we should look into his actions, but it won't tell us much.

[speedchuck]

[mention]sig[/mention] Their alignments flipped, right?

I votestole nutella

[speedchuck]

[mention]sig[/mention] Kyle and Kenway are dead town

[sig]

@sig Kyle and Kenway are dead town

Nope one had to be mafia for my alignment flip to make any sense. They must be a seemer.

[speedchuck]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

[nutella]

@sig Kyle and Kenway are dead town

Nope one had to be mafia for my alignment flip to make any sense. They must be a seemer.

.......huh


I misdirected kenway fwiw

[sig]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

So you know I started coming from Badguya, today I was switched over to Rico's army. This would occur when two things happen.

I vig a mafia member
My brother, a mafia member, dies

Since I switched over that means Kenway, who I killed was mafia Kyle who mafia killed was mafia. Or in theory I guess rdw?

Either way someone who flipped within the last 72 hours couldn't have been a civ since I was switched to Rico's army.

[nutella]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

So you know I started coming from Badguya, today I was switched over to Rico's army. This would occur when two things happen.

I vig a mafia member
My brother, a mafia member, dies

Since I switched over that means Kenway, who I killed was mafia Kyle who mafia killed was mafia. Or in theory I guess rdw?

Either way someone who flipped within the last 72 hours couldn't have been a civ since I was switched to Rico's army.

hmm Points to Kenway I guess (rdw makes the least sense if you were just switched over after the night, and mafia killed kyle)

[sig]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

So you know I started coming from Badguya, today I was switched over to Rico's army. This would occur when two things happen.

I vig a mafia member
My brother, a mafia member, dies

Since I switched over that means Kenway, who I killed was mafia Kyle who mafia killed was mafia. Or in theory I guess rdw?

Either way someone who flipped within the last 72 hours couldn't have been a civ since I was switched to Rico's army.

hmm Points to Kenway I guess (rdw makes the least sense if you were just switched over after the night, and mafia killed kyle)

Yeah, I don't think we should focus to much on it and still act like this could be lylo, however I do believe one was mafia and we just have one left.

[speedchuck]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

So you know I started coming from Badguya, today I was switched over to Rico's army. This would occur when two things happen.

I vig a mafia member
My brother, a mafia member, dies

Since I switched over that means Kenway, who I killed was mafia Kyle who mafia killed was mafia. Or in theory I guess rdw?

Either way someone who flipped within the last 72 hours couldn't have been a civ since I was switched to Rico's army.

hmm Points to Kenway I guess (rdw makes the least sense if you were just switched over after the night, and mafia killed kyle)

Yeah, I don't think we should focus to much on it and still act like this could be lylo, however I do believe one was mafia and we just have one left.

I mean, yeah we need to lynch scum today and we should consider all avenues, but this is one of them.

Whether or not we have 1 or 2 scum left matters, darn it. It changes the mechanically potential teams.

[sig]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

So you know I started coming from Badguya, today I was switched over to Rico's army. This would occur when two things happen.

I vig a mafia member
My brother, a mafia member, dies

Since I switched over that means Kenway, who I killed was mafia Kyle who mafia killed was mafia. Or in theory I guess rdw?

Either way someone who flipped within the last 72 hours couldn't have been a civ since I was switched to Rico's army.

hmm Points to Kenway I guess (rdw makes the least sense if you were just switched over after the night, and mafia killed kyle)

Yeah, I don't think we should focus to much on it and still act like this could be lylo, however I do believe one was mafia and we just have one left.

I mean, yeah we need to lynch scum today and we should consider all avenues, but this is one of them.

Whether or not we have 1 or 2 scum left matters, darn it. It changes the mechanically potential teams.

Yeah, looking at the way things have landed I'd say we can clear Nutella and I know I'm a civ.

Kites, I'm just really torn over
Bob I thought he was a civ up until awhile ago. His idea last night seemed good albeit it didn't work and led us on an RDW witch hunt.
Speed. Back and forth

I think our answer lies in the RDW lynch. Mafia would've made sure that RDW was down to one life since killing him would've town firmed him. Look at who pushed it and we find our mafia.

[nutella]

well if we think kenway was mafia based on your thing, then I'd say bob is his most likely teammate, particularly looking at their action-planning last night

[Kenway]

*shakes fist*

[Kites]

why is there confusion about the number of scum?
we are at 3-2

pinky is nutella
ring is speed or bob, actually leaning towards speed now

[Kites]

i don’t believe any of the scum would flip as town, i mean both of them are still alive in the night post

speedchuck and nutella trying to take advantage of sig’s confusion

[nutella]

I don't know, he said that was how his role worked so I'm considering the possibility, I'm sure there are shenanigans at play that we're not aware of

[Kites]

[VOTE: unvote] auberginehmm okay it seems to be more complicated than i thought

[colonialbob]

I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.

PS I can't have killed Kenway, he targeted me. Vote speed.

[speedchuck]

I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.

Why? Why the heck would Sig gambit that?

1. He's been saying it all game.
2. He's not under suspicion as much as you, me, or nutella.
3. It's not even a good lie.

[colonialbob]

I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.

Why? Why the heck would Sig gambit that?

1. He's been saying it all game.
2. He's not under suspicion as much as you, me, or nutella.
3. It's not even a good lie.

He's been saying he's neutral all game?

He would have been after killing a townie. I don't care if he thought kenway was mafia or night, a vig last night is an anti-town play, period.

I mean, people are believing it, so if it is a lie it seems to be a good one?

[speedchuck]

I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.

Why? Why the heck would Sig gambit that?

1. He's been saying it all game.
2. He's not under suspicion as much as you, me, or nutella.
3. It's not even a good lie.

He's been saying he's neutral all game?

He would have been after killing a townie. I don't care if he thought kenway was mafia or night, a vig last night is an anti-town play, period.

I mean, people are believing it, so if it is a lie it seems to be a good one?

Why gambit, then? Why even claim the vig in the first place?

I don't understand what you think Sig's goals are. If he's scum, why hasn't he been vigging on any other days? 2 scumkills would have ended this game like a week ago.

[speedchuck]

Explain fully. I must have missed something.

So you know I started coming from Badguya, today I was switched over to Rico's army. This would occur when two things happen.

I vig a mafia member
My brother, a mafia member, dies

Since I switched over that means Kenway, who I killed was mafia Kyle who mafia killed was mafia. Or in theory I guess rdw?

Either way someone who flipped within the last 72 hours couldn't have been a civ since I was switched to Rico's army.

hmm Points to Kenway I guess (rdw makes the least sense if you were just switched over after the night, and mafia killed kyle)

Yeah, I don't think we should focus to much on it and still act like this could be lylo, however I do believe one was mafia and we just have one left.

I mean, yeah we need to lynch scum today and we should consider all avenues, but this is one of them.

Whether or not we have 1 or 2 scum left matters, darn it. It changes the mechanically potential teams.

Yeah, looking at the way things have landed I'd say we can clear Nutella and I know I'm a civ.

I need to know why you cleared nutella.

[colonialbob]

I'm voting speed or Sig today. I could buy sig's whole "I'm neutral and I accidentally killed my brother who's mafia except he flipped town but really he's mafia" as a mafia endgame gambit. His kill last night was decidedly town unfriendly. But overall I trust Kites and since I know I didn't kill Kenway it has to be speed.

Why? Why the heck would Sig gambit that?

1. He's been saying it all game.
2. He's not under suspicion as much as you, me, or nutella.
3. It's not even a good lie.

He's been saying he's neutral all game?

He would have been after killing a townie. I don't care if he thought kenway was mafia or night, a vig last night is an anti-town play, period.

I mean, people are believing it, so if it is a lie it seems to be a good one?

Why gambit, then? Why even claim the vig in the first place?

I don't understand what you think Sig's goals are. If he's scum, why hasn't he been vigging on any other days? 2 scumkills would have ended this game like a week ago.

Trying to lay low? Getting caught up in the power web and failing?

It's not my primary read, but it's still a scenario that makes some sense.

Also "why claim the vig" I mean probably because all the roles are public?

[speedchuck]

Also "why claim the vig" I mean probably because all the roles are public?

No, I mean why claim the vig KILL? There are other ways that crit could have happened.

[colonialbob]

Also "why claim the vig" I mean probably because all the roles are public?

No, I mean why claim the vig KILL? There are other ways that crit could have happened.

Kites or nutella, right? Except Kites is basically confirmed town, and he's screwed if he I blocked nutella, who I had targeted the previous night.

Also he's killing him in the writeup, so.

[speedchuck]

Also "why claim the vig" I mean probably because all the roles are public?

No, I mean why claim the vig KILL? There are other ways that crit could have happened.

Kites or nutella, right? Except Kites is basically confirmed town, and he's screwed if he I blocked nutella, who I had targeted the previous night.

Also he's killing him in the writeup, so.

Oh. I hadn't read the write-up.

[Marmot]

[Long Con]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I nominate this gif for Best Quote on Sockys 2018.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Alternatively we can have a Best Gif award.

[speedchuck]

If we're going to figure this out mechanically, here's a list

speedchuck votestole nutella
Sig vigged Kenway
cbob guided nutella, and this action was reversed by kenway (what does that even mean?)
Kenway reversed cbob
nutella claimed to misdirect kenway
Kites archered Kylemii
Kylemii reversed ???

This ignores any extra scumpowers from pinky (and ring if the death mass roleblock isn't the only thing)

[speedchuck]

I'm going to assume that everyone promoted by now.

cbob guided nutella, and this action was reversed by kenway (what does that even mean?)
Kenway reversed cbob?
nutella claimed to misdirect kenway

This weird 3-way catches my attention. Cbob (promoted merc) was supposed to affect nutella (promoted pegasus knight) with the help of Kenway (promoted Mage). But Nutella supposedly redirected Kenway.

Ignoring scum shenannigans, which of these actions had priority in this? What was the reverse supposed to do?
The only person who could clarify what happened aside from these two is dead. That makes the claims of targeting each other/Kenway convenient.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention], What were you hoping to accomplish with the help of Kenway?
[mention]nutella[/mention], Why redirect Kenway?

[speedchuck]

For the record, as frustrated as I've been with Sig's lack of/choice of actions this game, I think he's town.

[sig]

Cant chat much but bob trying to push mt lynch is kinda scummy

[colonialbob]

I'm going to assume that everyone promoted by now.

cbob guided nutella, and this action was reversed by kenway (what does that even mean?)
Kenway reversed cbob?
nutella claimed to misdirect kenway

This weird 3-way catches my attention. Cbob (promoted merc) was supposed to affect nutella (promoted pegasus knight) with the help of Kenway (promoted Mage). But Nutella supposedly redirected Kenway.

Ignoring scum shenannigans, which of these actions had priority in this? What was the reverse supposed to do?
The only person who could clarify what happened aside from these two is dead. That makes the claims of targeting each other/Kenway convenient.

colonialbob, What were you hoping to accomplish with the help of Kenway?
nutella, Why redirect Kenway?

I was trying to block nutella.

"Fire - Each night, you may target another player and reverse their action. A nightkill will become a doctor, a guide will become a block, a track will become a reverse track, etc.
Promotes to Sage or Mage Knight"

I specifically checked with Jack to make sure the reversal would still affect my action if I used my bow. Bow should have priority over nutella's action:

"7) Bows are not weak or strong against other weapons but have a 100% chance to self guide against fliers. Bows allow players to retroactively effect actions of fliers that have already resolved. Example:

Spoiler: show

So if a flier blocks Player A and a sword infantry blocks the flier, Player A will still be blocked because the flier's action resolves first and the infantry player is too late to block the flier.

In the same scenario but with a bow user instead of a sword user attempting to block the flier, Player A will not be blocked because bow users can retroactively effect resolved flier actions.

If a bow user nightkills a flier and another infantry player doctors the flier, the flier will not die because the bow user is not "faster" than the other infantry player. He only gains the ability to effect resolved flier actions. He is not a flier himself.

"

[colonialbob]

For the record, as frustrated as I've been with Sig's lack of/choice of actions this game, I think he's town.

Even though he claimed to basically be independent?

Cant chat much but bob trying to push mt lynch is kinda scummy

OMGUS

Also I'm not pushing your lynch, I'm leaving all options open and trying to solve. That process doesn't include just taking the word of somebody who killed a townie on a night town really didn't want a vig as gospel, sorry.

[colonialbob]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] what is your promotion

[speedchuck]

For the record, as frustrated as I've been with Sig's lack of/choice of actions this game, I think he's town.

Even though he claimed to basically be independent?

He hasn't been playing like an independent, as far as I can tell. And if there are two baddies and an independent left, would you want to lynch the independent?

I don't think there even are independents.

I don't think sig was claiming one. I think sig was claiming something specific to his character, beyond his role and beyond his alignment.

[speedchuck]

I'm going to assume that everyone promoted by now.

cbob guided nutella, and this action was reversed by kenway (what does that even mean?)
Kenway reversed cbob?
nutella claimed to misdirect kenway

This weird 3-way catches my attention. Cbob (promoted merc) was supposed to affect nutella (promoted pegasus knight) with the help of Kenway (promoted Mage). But Nutella supposedly redirected Kenway.

Ignoring scum shenannigans, which of these actions had priority in this? What was the reverse supposed to do?
The only person who could clarify what happened aside from these two is dead. That makes the claims of targeting each other/Kenway convenient.

colonialbob, What were you hoping to accomplish with the help of Kenway?
nutella, Why redirect Kenway?

I was trying to block nutella.

"Fire - Each night, you may target another player and reverse their action. A nightkill will become a doctor, a guide will become a block, a track will become a reverse track, etc.
Promotes to Sage or Mage Knight"

I specifically checked with Jack to make sure the reversal would still affect my action if I used my bow. Bow should have priority over nutella's action:

"7) Bows are not weak or strong against other weapons but have a 100% chance to self guide against fliers. Bows allow players to retroactively effect actions of fliers that have already resolved. Example:

Spoiler: show

So if a flier blocks Player A and a sword infantry blocks the flier, Player A will still be blocked because the flier's action resolves first and the infantry player is too late to block the flier.

In the same scenario but with a bow user instead of a sword user attempting to block the flier, Player A will not be blocked because bow users can retroactively effect resolved flier actions.

If a bow user nightkills a flier and another infantry player doctors the flier, the flier will not die because the bow user is not "faster" than the other infantry player. He only gains the ability to effect resolved flier actions. He is not a flier himself.

"

Makes sense.

Bob is not scum with nutella, or Kenway would have screwed it up.

[nutella]

I misdirected kenway because he was openly planning with bob and I figured bob was going to try to target me again/I found their coordination kinda fishy and wanted to mess with it for my own safety

[colonialbob]

I misdirected kenway because he was openly planning with bob and I figured bob was going to try to target me again/I found their coordination kinda fishy and wanted to mess with it for my own safety

[speedchuck]

[mention]sig[/mention] How certain are you that Kenway/RDW was scum?

[sig]

@sig How certain are you that Kenway/RDW was scum?

Its more likely that its kyle/kenway seeing whem i moved. And I'm about 80% sure

[speedchuck]

Hm.

Way I see it, there are two likely options. Either there's one scum left, and Sig is clear, or Sig is lying scum and he's got a partner.

Discuss. We have just over 6 hours.

[Marmot]

I nominate this gif for Best Quote on Sockys 2018.

I may be dead, but my spirit is unbroken.

[colonialbob]

I simply don't believe there's a mafia who flips as Town. I think it's substantially more likely there's another reason Sig swapped to the green list - maybe mafia killed his brother?

[colonialbob]

Okay so the down and dirty of my role was that I could win with either town or mafia as long as I didn't kill a mafia member at night. If I did I'd be moved from the red to the green on the main page. I also have a brother on the mafia team who can win with the civs as long as I stay alive. And any night actions I use on them will fail.

sooo if my brother is still alive just out yourself let us lynch you and we win the game.

SO while Kenway flipped town he must've been mafia since nothing else could've caused me to switch from teams.

How do you know your brother is mafia?

[speedchuck]

I simply don't believe there's a mafia who flips as Town.

Why do you adamantly disagree with this? It's not exactly an unheard-of role.

[colonialbob]

I simply don't believe there's a mafia who flips as Town.

Why do you adamantly disagree with this? It's not exactly an unheard-of role.

From what I know of Jack it doesn't seem like something he would put in his games.

(FWIW outside of specialized setups (e.g. undertakers) a mafia role that flips town totally breaks the game)

[colonialbob]

Obviously I could be wrong, I just think it's significantly more likely there's another explanation that Sig swapped sides.