Game of Champions 2017 - GAME OVER

[sprityo]

In some circumstances I would say that lynching me would offer you guys insight to other players, role reveal etc. but in this case it won’t.

(I was going to post this earlier and I don’t think I did)

Linki: I guess not. I just wanted to put it out there in the chance that something happened in the night someone wasn’t expecting

[Sloonei]

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

[Scotty]

In some circumstances I would say that lynching me would offer you guys insight to other players, role reveal etc. but in this case it won’t.

(I was going to post this earlier and I don’t think I did)

Linki: I guess not. I just wanted to put it out there in the chance that something happened in the night someone wasn’t expecting

I also don’t want to lynch sprityo on the pretense that he is one of like 8 bastard roles I just looked up.

Sprityo, who you votin for, in an ideal world where you’re not voting to save yourself

[Scotty]

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Convince me to vote for Boom. Why is he even?

[Epignosis]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

[S~V~S]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

[Epignosis]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

I'm going to say this as politely as I know how.

What in the hell are you talking about?

[Epignosis]

I said today is garbage because:

A.

I'm not keen on lynching any of the people on the poll,

2.

The current poll saps any momentum I had going after multiple successful mafia lynches, and

D.

I have no input from the person my vote is currently on, which doesn't help.

Garbage.

[sprityo]

In some circumstances I would say that lynching me would offer you guys insight to other players, role reveal etc. but in this case it won’t.

(I was going to post this earlier and I don’t think I did)

Linki: I guess not. I just wanted to put it out there in the chance that something happened in the night someone wasn’t expecting

I also don’t want to lynch sprityo on the pretense that he is one of like 8 bastard roles I just looked up.

Sprityo, who you votin for, in an ideal world where you’re not voting to save yourself

Look I didn’t say I was anything just that if something happened, related or not I wanted people to know it may or may not be related to me. I’m sure Golden is gonna pm me regardless.

No one has good evidence but cbob would be my choice purely off of his prior role. But if we wanted to be safe, lynching Boomslang is fine since he does have an extra life

[S~V~S]

I said today is garbage because:

A.

I'm not keen on lynching any of the people on the poll,

2.

The current poll saps any momentum I had going after multiple successful mafia lynches, and

D.

I have no input from the person my vote is currently on, which doesn't help.

Garbage.

Then I misinterpreted your intent and apologize.

In some circumstances I would say that lynching me would offer you guys insight to other players, role reveal etc. but in this case it won’t.

(I was going to post this earlier and I don’t think I did)

Linki: I guess not. I just wanted to put it out there in the chance that something happened in the night someone wasn’t expecting

I also don’t want to lynch sprityo on the pretense that he is one of like 8 bastard roles I just looked up.

Sprityo, who you votin for, in an ideal world where you’re not voting to save yourself

Look I didn’t say I was anything just that if something happened, related or not I wanted people to know it may or may not be related to me. I’m sure Golden is gonna pm me regardless.

No one has good evidence but cbob would be my choice purely off of his prior role. But if we wanted to be safe, lynching Boomslang is fine since he does have an extra life

I have not had to ask this question in days. If you think someone's first role indicates their affiliation in any way, why haven't you voted for me yet?

[S~V~S]

Golden, I cursed you for that role when I first got my PM, but in retrospect it has been useful.

[sprityo]

I said today is garbage because:

A.

I'm not keen on lynching any of the people on the poll,

2.

The current poll saps any momentum I had going after multiple successful mafia lynches, and

D.

I have no input from the person my vote is currently on, which doesn't help.

Garbage.

Then I misinterpreted your intent and apologize.

In some circumstances I would say that lynching me would offer you guys insight to other players, role reveal etc. but in this case it won’t.

(I was going to post this earlier and I don’t think I did)

Linki: I guess not. I just wanted to put it out there in the chance that something happened in the night someone wasn’t expecting

I also don’t want to lynch sprityo on the pretense that he is one of like 8 bastard roles I just looked up.

Sprityo, who you votin for, in an ideal world where you’re not voting to save yourself

Look I didn’t say I was anything just that if something happened, related or not I wanted people to know it may or may not be related to me. I’m sure Golden is gonna pm me regardless.

No one has good evidence but cbob would be my choice purely off of his prior role. But if we wanted to be safe, lynching Boomslang is fine since he does have an extra life

I have not had to ask this question in days. If you think someone's first role indicates their affiliation in any way, why haven't you voted for me yet?

Difference in playstyle. You were physically killed while bob was lynched. Bobs role seems more mafia oriented than your since yours had a counter role to remedy it

[S~V~S]

Oh bullshit lol. I was a poisoner and you said "purely off his prior role". Not "his prior role and game play". No first role has seemed as bad as mine.

[S~V~S]

And Bob was lynched because we were told he couldn't die till day six.

[sprityo]

Well SVS i guess I just never looked at cbob the same way I look at you.

If you’re so adamant about that line of thought we can just shove cbob off to a corner and forget about him

[S~V~S]

Well SVS i guess I just never looked at cbob the same way I look at you.

If you’re so adamant about that line of thought we can just shove cbob off to a corner and forget about him

You sound sooo hostile.

You said "purely on his first role" . I am talking about that, roles, not contrasting Bob and I. You are doing that. And again, this is not about Bob, and I did not suggest forgetting him.

I want to hear from Daisy who seemed to trust you last I heard and from Quin.

[Epignosis]

No worries, S~V~S.

I'll be back directly.

[sprityo]

SVS, to be frank. You’re aggravating me in the way these questions and follow up posts are being presented.

[S~V~S]

I can see that.

[Boomslang]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

[Epignosis]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

So you believe colonialbob is a fourth Strex?

[Dom]

@S~V~S what do you currently think of me?

I am rereading Day 5 in Cerberus for the 43rd time tonight. I will let you know when I am done.

After the last lynch it occurred to me that the first part of LCs second lynch, the Evens were still trying to lynch Dom. When they realized that wasn't happening, that is when they prolly went hard to lynch sig. So I am rereading it with that in mind.

I think whoever was the ringmaster of the end of the Cerb sigwagon could well be the Cerb original Even, there had to be one.

I never thought of this kind of analysis. SVS-- what's your big take here?

sprityo 1.0 was one of the front-of-mind players for me. He stood out as a player in the game. sprityo 2.0 doesn't feel the same way. I can't tell if there's a bias because of his Cecil confirmation or because there were less people on Pikachu. I'd like the OG Pikachu tribespeople to give some thoughts on that if they have any.

I see a big difference. I'm just unclear on what that means.

I don't like how sprit has been talking with SVS. All prickles and no path forward.

[colonialbob]

Well SVS i guess I just never looked at cbob the same way I look at you.

If you’re so adamant about that line of thought we can just shove cbob off to a corner and forget about him

[colonialbob]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

I do think it's reasonable. It's not strong, and I wouldn't be pursuing it today, except that our options are so limited, and I have a pretty strong town read on Quin and nijuu.

[Golden]

Golden, I cursed you for that role when I first got my PM, but in retrospect it has been useful.

I was untargetable and Willow Rosenberg anagoge Scout Pixie trucklebed with harelipped curse failed.

[S~V~S]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

Everything you say in this post sounds bad to me. EVERYTHING And how did you vote for LC?

[S~V~S]

Oh nvm about voting for LC. Sprit said that, not Boom. But still that post is way icky.

And sprit, you were still sprit 1.0 when you voted for LC, right?

[S~V~S]

Also I have been on bad teams where every time e a teammate was lynched I voted for them. In both LC lynches Nutella was one of the first to vote for him.

In a game full of chaos roles where we don't know the roles, we are bound to have a target switcher, so being killed by one team doesn't preclude membership, especially in a game with two lives.

None of this precludes anyone from belonging to a specific team.

[sprityo]

Oh nvm about voting for LC. Sprit said that, not Boom. But still that post is way icky.

And sprit, you were still sprit 1.0 when you voted for LC, right?

Correct, I Died Night 8 I believe

[Sloonei]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

I think his attitude toward his new role reflecte genuine frustration at what he perceives to be an unhelpful ability. This is not something we should probe further into, as it already feels like we're toeing the line for infodumping. If this is just a clever ploy to emotionally manipulate us into not voting for him the it's vert crafty and I'll never trust sprit again. I don't think it is.

[Sloonei]

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Convince me to vote for Boom. Why is he even?

I don't have an argument for that. He has not been active in a thread with any known Evens at any point in this game. I don't have an argument against it either. I'm primarily voting for him because he's the only player on the poll who won't ge removed from the game if we lynch him today. I also feel his argument for not being scum is the weakest, but I would not be voting for him today if the poll was full.

[sprityo]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

I think his attitude toward his new role reflecte genuine frustration at what he perceives to be an unhelpful ability. This is not something we should probe further into, as it already feels like we're toeing the line for infodumping. If this is just a clever ploy to emotionally manipulate us into not voting for him the it's vert crafty and I'll never trust sprit again. I don't think it is.

God I wish I was that crafty

[sprityo]

I’d be like the JJJ of being mafia if that was the case

[S~V~S]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

I think his attitude toward his new role reflecte genuine frustration at what he perceives to be an unhelpful ability. This is not something we should probe further into, as it already feels like we're toeing the line for infodumping. If this is just a clever ploy to emotionally manipulate us into not voting for him the it's vert crafty and I'll never trust sprit again. I don't think it is.

So you suggest we just ignore any thoughts we might entertain about him being bad because he dropped a menacing role hint. Am I reading you correctly? He made an info dump, so it's hands off?

Because role hints make me want to lynch people more, not less. Especially in light of this:

5) You may not post PMs from the hosts. You may not do anything which could amount to info dumping. If you are not sure whether or not something would be considered info dumping, err on the side of caution and PM to ask first. Specific things you may not do include revealing anything about your role, including the game it is derived from, the name of the role or any win condition. The only thing you may claim from your role (truthfully or otherwise) is your affiliation. Punishments, including modkills, are reserved for breaches of this rule.

Repeatedly telling us he has a bastard role in in violation of rules already, is it not?

[Boomslang]

Oh nvm about voting for LC. Sprit said that, not Boom. But still that post is way icky.

And sprit, you were still sprit 1.0 when you voted for LC, right?

Can you give any more details about your response to my post other than that you think it's "way icky"? Because that's not a criticism that I can actually respond to.

So you believe colonialbob is a fourth Strex?

Yes. I think your analysis effectively eliminates him from being an Even, and we haven't gotten a host message saying that Strex has been eliminated.

[S~V~S]

Oh nvm about voting for LC. Sprit said that, not Boom. But still that post is way icky.

And sprit, you were still sprit 1.0 when you voted for LC, right?

Can you give any more details about your response to my post other than that you think it's "way icky"? Because that's not a criticism that I can actually respond to.

So you believe colonialbob is a fourth Strex?

Yes. I think your analysis effectively eliminates him from being an Even, and we haven't gotten a host message saying that Strex has been eliminated.

Everything you said in the post I was quoting sounds bad. That better?

Here is the first post, the icky one was kind of a PS.

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

Everything you say in this post sounds bad to me. EVERYTHING

And the host told us we will not be notified when a team is eliminated.

*Civ to Mafia flip: The host said this was possible.
*Anyone calling it reasonable is correct becasue it is reasonable since the host said it was reasonable.
*You have never seen a passionate person on a mafia team? I find that hard to believe.

From the Rule Post:

[quote]8) Players will get two roles in this game. You will all get your first role at the start of the game. You will only get your second role upon your first death. If you die twice, you are officially actually dead. When your first role dies (regardless of how you die), your role will be revealed, but your affiliation and win conditions will be kept secret. When your second role dies, your role and affiliation will be revealed if you die by lynch or any method other than nightkill. It is possible for players to change win conditions or affiliations, however any mafia player who has BTSC with their team for role one will continue to have the same affiliation and win conditions for role two.[/quote]


This post reads to me like someone looking for a reason to vote for someone. That's why I think it's icky.

[S~V~S]

Sorry I screwed up that quote, but there you go, affilation change is built into the game.

[Sloonei]

Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

I think his attitude toward his new role reflecte genuine frustration at what he perceives to be an unhelpful ability. This is not something we should probe further into, as it already feels like we're toeing the line for infodumping. If this is just a clever ploy to emotionally manipulate us into not voting for him the it's vert crafty and I'll never trust sprit again. I don't think it is.

So you suggest we just ignore any thoughts we might entertain about him being bad because he dropped a menacing role hint. Am I reading you correctly? He made an info dump, so it's hands off?

Because role hints make me want to lynch people more, not less. Especially in light of this:

5) You may not post PMs from the hosts. You may not do anything which could amount to info dumping. If you are not sure whether or not something would be considered info dumping, err on the side of caution and PM to ask first. Specific things you may not do include revealing anything about your role, including the game it is derived from, the name of the role or any win condition. The only thing you may claim from your role (truthfully or otherwise) is your affiliation. Punishments, including modkills, are reserved for breaches of this rule.

Repeatedly telling us he has a bastard role in in violation of rules already, is it not?

I don't think you are understanding me correctly. I feel good about sprit because of the attitude that I see in his posts. However, I don't think it's a subject that can be discussed much further because of the rules. I'm not saying to ignore him. I'm saying this is a tricky gray area and I don't want the tread to spiral into one big rules violation.

I also fail to see why this behavior would make him suspicious.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

What do you think of the delay in pushing the button?

I don't care about it.

What do you think about Lorab?

No reason to townread her, but I need to go check out the context you mentioned to see what I think. I also think I'd rather lynch into Sloonei/Kyle/Scotty today.

I could see cbob and LoRab as teammates in this post. He throws a token question at Epi when he votes for LoRab, and then when prompted for a read of his own he gives a weak shrug and then serves some player salad as an alternative to voting for Strexcorp member #3.

These posts constitute his only mentions of LoRab as far as I can see.

[Epignosis]

The downside with lynching Boomslang is that we could be creating more mafia by nature of the setup.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I’m back from the beach, yay! What’d I miss?

Just kidding - I’ll read. But any help is appreciated.

What do you think of Boomslang?

Everybody is trying to read him rn.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

First reaction post to LC being lynched as a baddie:

Re: Cerberus Tribe - Night 5
#1192 Post by insertnamehere » Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:14:00 pm
okay what the fuck

did eight people vote for LC on the other tribe?

Um dude he was bad?

Yeah, Scotty, I still don't feel great about you. But I also revived my suspish of INH. Squeee.

I will reread post death sprit and Bob a bit later. But based on what I read in Cerberus, I would be inclined to vote Boomslang if no one I suspected of recruitment was on the poll. The fact that Boom is a low poster with various levels of suspish throughout the game yet he has not been NKed is intriguing. Plus wasn't the biggest fan of his Cerberus Day 5. Hindsight is a beautiful thing

This is literally the reason not to lynch CBob imo.

You kill people who are not likely to be lynched, and leave the ones who are easy to lynch alone. Bonus points is that you get rid of town leaders and reduce the productive discussion in the game.

Besides, with this many failed kills, the population of people mafia did want to kill but failed is pretty high...

[Dragon D. Luffy]

EBWOP: reason not to night kill CBob.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Where is DDL? Paging Doctor Drunk Lips where is u

Studyi8ng, then dancing, then getting addicted to some silly card game, then studying again, then coming here to drop a vote before I disappear again.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

First we all agree his activity post death dropped a lot.

Second, I'm willing to policy lynch him on that bastard role claim. If he's telling the truth we at least get rid of a role that could be bad for town, so it's a win-win situation.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

Everything you say in this post sounds bad to me. EVERYTHING And how did you vote for LC?

I disagree with almost everything Boomslang says yet it reminds me of the last time I had this reaction and he was civ. Lots of bickering, lots of me thinking he was being illogical, lots of OMGUS, and we were civ vs civ.

I'm willing to use the "do the opposite of past DDL's mistake" criterium to not lynch him.

Besides, I liked his early Cerberus posts. And apparently there is evidence he can't be Strex? Yeah I don't want to lynch Boom.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Or evidence that he can't be even. One of the two. I'm too lazy to check.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I might change the vote to Bob if Booms/Quin/Blooper is getting lynched and if I happen to be browing the game on my phone later today.

[Sloonei]

cbob and boomslang are the only people on this poll I'm considering, still. I see some evidence that bob may be strex, but not even. I have no strong reason to town read boomslang, though there is compelling evidence for him not being Strex.

colonialbob avoided discussing both lorab and wilgy when they were on the chopping block. He even pursued suspects (INH & Boomslang) based on their treatment of wilgy. This behavior stands out when looking back through his posts, and he's defended himself a bit already. But it's the most substantive thing I can pull out for discussion from his posts. It's never clear how he felt about wilgy (or lorab), but it is clear he didn't like the way certan people went after wilgy.

[colonialbob]

[VOTE: Lorab] aubergine

What do you think of the delay in pushing the button?

I don't care about it.

What do you think about Lorab?

No reason to townread her, but I need to go check out the context you mentioned to see what I think. I also think I'd rather lynch into Sloonei/Kyle/Scotty today.

I could see cbob and LoRab as teammates in this post. He throws a token question at Epi when he votes for LoRab, and then when prompted for a read of his own he gives a weak shrug and then serves some player salad as an alternative to voting for Strexcorp member #3.

These posts constitute his only mentions of LoRab as far as I can see.

Not player salad, but likely last Even.