Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[sig]

I'm getting more MK vibes from Dunya's posts than FE. She seems more genuine and less sly.

[sig]

Can you explain your Epi vote? [mention]Golden[/mention] [mention]Scotty[/mention]

[Dom]

I think talking heads was another Mac and I think there’s a third. But I remember some games well and others not so much.

Bro, I was scum in Talking Heads. Try again. If you're going to try to discredit my points because you feel there is a pattern to me incorrectly scum reading you as town so far you've only pointed at a game I was scum and a game you were indie.

Ha, well I didn’t remember that bit.

Look, if you can name a time you’ve ever read me as bad and been right I’ll hand it to you. I don’t believe it exists. This is the reason I’m saying throw out your tellson me - but again you can only do what you’re comfortable doing.

No man. That's not how this works. I made accusations of you and you tried to discredit me by claiming I misread you all the time. You have failed to show evidence of that. Evidence of me previously reading you well is not required here as I have a good amount of your own posts right here that speak for themselves so I don't need to point at any mystical ability to read you. This is not me making random gut reads on people and pointing at mystic Mac powers. This is you making posts, me finding them suspect, and me finding your reactions as supporting my perspective.

I wouldn't ask of anyone to show evidence that they've caught you before to prove that they make good cases on you. Besides, and I will say it again, even if you HAVE evidence that I read you poorly consistently:

a) It's outdated, it's old
b) I put it to you, that the vast majority of anybody's reads are wrong
c) It's such a small sample size that the two immediate games that sprung to your mind, you were indie in one and I was scum in the other

Moving on. I've made my points. I hope people read them and comment. It would be a shame if they were skimmed.

You don’t get it. I’m not defending myself. I’m trying to help you read me better.

Anyone who knows me well will probably be reading me as hard town by now. This playstyle does not exist on my baddie spectrum at all.

You can choose to do with it what you will but... if you don’t listen this time, please don’t forget. Remember next time.

This is the first and only thing that made me raise my eyebrow to in regards to Golden.

Playing as Mafia 101

Professor Mac:

"Here are 5 common scum tropes that somehow always work on people:

Do you really think I would do X if I was bad?
Fuck this, I'm out
You never read me correctly
Would I have really bussed Steve in that situation?
This isn't my scum meta

Thanks for attending. You all get a c because I am a shit professor."

One size fits all models are going to end with you losing this game.

I want to hear more about Dom. He took the time to underline and magnify superfluous words in a sig post, but not what it meant to him, why he did it and what purpose he was trying to achieve. Since you share his feelings, Mac, what does it mean?

This is a good point.

Also, why has Dom not suspected me yet?

Give it time.

I want to hear more about Dom. He took the time to underline and magnify superfluous words in a sig post, but not what it meant to him, why he did it and what purpose he was trying to achieve. Since you share his feelings, Mac, what does it mean?

This is a good point.

Also, why has Dom not suspected me yet?

This is a good point .

Dunno about Dunia's point. I thought it was pretty obvious what Dom was getting at. Really weak from Master Town Dunya tbh.

It read to me as Dunya looking for something to say rather than having something to say.

His defense posts are what smell like town Golden to me. They've got that super vindictive Golden is a town lawyer arguing his case in front of all of town feel to them. When Golden is bad and he's making a case or defending, he's more measured, like an incredibly rational evil lawyer that constantly makes sense. When he's town, he just passionately spews. The latter is what I'm seeing here.

The former and the latter are the same in this paragraph.

[Dom]

In case you didn't believe me about the Pingometer. I was even so excited about it I decided to all caps the title.

So, question for you...

Why hasn't it been updated since your original posting it? Or is this just a stunt?

I agree with people who say Scotty is looking good, but I could see why Dunya might think he's bad. Right now they're both leaning civ.

Sorry, what?

lol

I want to hear more about Dom. He took the time to underline and magnify superfluous words in a sig post, but not what it meant to him, why he did it and what purpose he was trying to achieve. Since you share his feelings, Mac, what does it mean?

I'm supposed to derive meaning from a post that I pointed out had no meaning in the first place?


That's exactly my point. Sig had a nice way of saying absolutely nothing in multiple paragraphs. Shady.

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

Please, let me know what I need to do to get another yellow card.

But they're actually basically golden cards anyway.

Downplaying somebody's post.

Boom! I win!

I have a long history of taking votes on day one when town. You're finding out why right now. My day one record when not town is substantially cleaner.

Oops, there I go talking about my own meta. I ping myself!

In all seriousness though, why are you voting on such basic grounds? Don't you think it would be incredibly easy for me to have played a much cleaner game to date? My behaviour so far has been virtually asking for votes. Kyle even independent read me. Don't I strike you as an 'easy vote' right now?

You are a good player and I feel like you are playing with this post.

I mean that in a bad way.

How do you mean it?
You can't criticize sig for being vague and then do the same. Just because you're using less words than he is doesn't mean it's any better.

I want to hear more about Dom. He took the time to underline and magnify superfluous words in a sig post, but not what it meant to him, why he did it and what purpose he was trying to achieve. Since you share his feelings, Mac, what does it mean?

Sig's post is full of opinions qualified by wishy washy nothing comments and consistently crafted to remain relatively non committal.

I think it's generous to say that it's full of opinions or anything besides fluff.

My posts are amazing and filled with great things, amazing things, the best things!

Also I'll keep using words like odd or weird, things can be out of place and out of character, but that doesn't mean the person making the weird posts is more likely to be good or bad.

In regards to Turnip head, I found his random vote for MM weird, there's literally nothing else to add to that. It was a strange thing to do, but it seems NAI.

Feel like actually addressing my original post or ignoring it?

[sig]

Here's a quick little list I've put together, most of my reads are shaky and I've got alot of Nulls, but for day 1 I'm feeling pretty good about my thoughts.

Civ Reads: I wouldn't lynch anyone here, but I'm not super sure of their alignment.
lapluie: She hasn't thrown out much content yet, but that's her meta so I'm not concerned. Gut civ read

Civ Leans: This is basically a foundation of a read, so slightly above a Null read.

Choutas: I liked his first few posts, but I don't have a meta for Choutas and he hasn't done enough to get a civ read. Civ lean
Sloonei: I'm liking his content so far. Civ lean
dunya: She hasn't been as active as she was in FE/MK, but that's NAI. I like her tone and content so far even though I think she's wrong on Scotty. : Civ lean.
Kites: I'm not good with reading Kites, but they seem to be playing the same as they did in FE. So slight civ lean
Golden: He's active and providing content and I'm not really seeing the criticism of his posts. Civ lean
MacDougall: Civ lean like his posts and content seems very Maclike
Scotty: I've already talked about Scotty, I'd put him down as a civ lean.

Null: No real read on them.

novaselinenever: Null read, but playing within their civ meta, which is a slight bump
Kylemii: Null, can't recall any of his posts.
wolbre04: Annoying GIFS are annoying, but one of them was of daddy trump so I'm conflicted. Null read
Long Con: Null, he's posted a few times, but haven't said anything that sticks out without me doing an ISO.
Lunalee: Null
Marmot: Null
ColinIsCool: Null
Epignosis: Seems very inactive for Epi, but it's day 1 and he's a real adult who does adulting things so I'm not to concerned. Null
Jackofhearts2005: No posts yet so super Null
Spacedaisy: Null

Mafia Lean

Dom: Hasn't posted much yet, but his current posts are gut reading bad to me: Mafia lean
speedchuck: I like that he's done a rainbow list, but my gut is pinged by him. Mafia lean
Turnip Head: His posts are weird and he hasn't given much content yet. Mafia lean.
M Plus 7: I've already explained this in game. However, I do agree he's posting alot so that's usually a civ indicator, but I've seen MP be the top poster as mafia. Mafia Lean

[Turnip Head]

What does "NAI" mean?

[sig]

@Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around

However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.

@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?

These are the only two on topic posts from Kyle. The first one is NAI, but I don't like the second post. It seems like he's trying to contribute and ask questions while also hanging back.

Though just to throw out my opinion of the Spartan vs Athena thing, I think we should ignore it and just act as if we're one team.


LC hasn't posted much yet, but after a quick ISO I like what he's posted. I'd move him over to a civ lean. I'd also caution against anyone taking my LC read seriously since I can't read him at all.

Nonalignment Indicator, so the player would do it as a civ or baddie.

[sig]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Placeholder until I get around to reading any of his posts.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Placeholder until I get around to reading any of his posts.

Is this gonna be my role in the game?

[Turnip Head]

I didn't know we were supposed to read Sloonei's posts

[Sloonei]

I didn't know we were supposed to read Sloonei's posts

It’s optional.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Placeholder until I get around to reading any of his posts.

Is this gonna be my role in the game?

I dunno. Are people not reading your posts?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Placeholder until I get around to reading any of his posts.

Is this gonna be my role in the game?

I dunno. Are people not reading your posts?

I was more referring to the "placeholder" comment. Golden put a vote on me last night just to see the poll, so he says.

[Turnip Head]

is sloonei scurred

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Placeholder until I get around to reading any of his posts.

Is this gonna be my role in the game?

I dunno. Are people not reading your posts?

I was more referring to the "placeholder" comment. Golden put a vote on me last night just to see the poll, so he says.

I'm just hoping to get lucky if we lynch you.

[Sloonei]

I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.

[Turnip Head]

I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.

But like... your second paragraph is basically the same as Colin's post

[Sloonei]

is sloonei scurred

Jay is hosting. Bad things happen when Jay hosts.

[Sloonei]

I should let you all know that I just started a new job so I have less time overall right now, and if it seems like I'm lurking, I more than likely just haven't seen the thread yet.

I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine because he dropped this post and then left. The thread wasn't bustling with activity at the time, but there was enough going on that he could have offered a comment or two on something. I want Colin to say things when he has a chance.

I woke up to ~300 new posts and I have some grown up things to take care of before I go to work today. I sense that I'll be playing from behind early in this game.

But like... your second paragraph is basically the same as Colin's post

Yes. But I am voting for him because he did not offer any thoughts.
Also show me where in the handbook it says a townie can't be a big fat hypocrite.

[Turnip Head]

is sloonei scurred

Jay is hosting. Bad things happen when Jay hosts.

Oh my gosh... what is that search for Quin game...???

[Turnip Head]

And I never read the townie handbook. I saw it on the shelf and it's like 800 pages and mostly incomprehensible.

[Sloonei]

is sloonei scurred

Jay is hosting. Bad things happen when Jay hosts.

Oh my gosh... what is that search for Quin game...???

We found Quin, but Quin has not found himself.

[dunya]

fucking hell, 17 notifications and like 5 pages since i was here. you're all monsters.

[dunya]

The one that stands out the most right now is dunya's vote for scotty - I have no history with dunya, but dunya has no history with scotty. It's possible it stands out for 'culture clash' reasons.

I dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.

This post strengthens my suspicion of dunya. Votes for pressure don't have a lot of teeth when you explain them away as harmless prodders.

My explanation came after Scotty addressed my concerns, and I was happy with his response.

[dunya]

I like lots of questions being asked, I think it helps. But I also think the nature of the questions matter. I think there needs to be an intent or purpose behind each question. Something you want to learn. Do you agree with that?

I agree in general, but that won't apply to Day 1. I have found through trial and error, the more questions you ask, the more content you produce, and the more difficult it is for scum to hide. Honestly, sometimes I don't care who is arguing about what even if I see it as two townies going at each other. Content is generated, people will leave trails, some may slip even if we can't see it immediately. The priority early on in the game is to get as many people talking as possible. That's how I play mafia, and that's why I can end up with a few hundred posts in one early phase.

[dunya]

I have been making a tally of my strong pings both positive and negative.

Golden is 2/6. (Positives left and negatives right)
Scotty is 1/0.
MP is 4/4.
Sig is 1/1.
Sloonei is 2/0.
Dunya is 1/2.
Speedchuck is 1/1.
Nova is 0/1.
Kyle is 0/1.
Dom is 1/0.
Choutas is 1/0.

No real pings from anyone else.

I mean, I see what you're doing, but I'm not sure it's the best strategy. the top 3 posters at the time pinged you the most (Golden, MP and me). The more posts people have, the more pings you will naturally feel. that will leave lower posters in the safe zone.

[dunya]

However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.

@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?

Defeat.

by means of surrender?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.

@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?

Defeat.

by means of surrender?

That is one means of defeat.

[dunya]

The one that stands out the most right now is dunya's vote for scotty - I have no history with dunya, but dunya has no history with scotty. It's possible it stands out for 'culture clash' reasons.

I dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.

You prodded me for info on Scotty, but it doesn't seem to me you've given it any thoughtful consideration.

I did, I guess you hadn't caught up yet, but Scotty's explanation of how he felt left out when he joined sig's forum and was NK'd N1 was a personal experience that he didn't have to share and I believe he is talking from a genuine place when he says he does not want to vote any newcomers now.

[Scotty]

woah how did we go through 6 pages in 5 hours? Machines, that's what you all are.

Let's play catchup

Scotty would genuinely give new players a pass, but then I think jay or MP would too - like them, scotty could turn around and bite you in the neck. His friendly demeanour is him no matter what. Expect the best one liners and a lot of laughs.

[Scotty]

Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

Thank you <3

@wolbre04, I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

Yeah that's pretty accurate. My first game of mafia ever on a forum was about five months ago, so I'm still learning steadily. I have never gotten mafia before but I won my second game ever as Serial Killer. I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

So you're indie. Got it

[dunya]

@Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around

kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.

What do you mean by this?

It's a bit of an inside joke. When me and Kyle first started playing, I scumread him the first two games we played together (1 game I got him lynched I think) because I thought he was building content with the player inquisitions and game mechanic questions. But that's just Kyle. (he also does it as scum to blend in naturally )

[sig]

Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

Thank you <3

@wolbre04, I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

Yeah that's pretty accurate. My first game of mafia ever on a forum was about five months ago, so I'm still learning steadily. I have never gotten mafia before but I won my second game ever as Serial Killer. I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

So you're indie. Got it

Nice catch, but I wouldn't say it confirms anything at all.

[sig]

fucking hell, 17 notifications and like 5 pages since i was here. you're all monsters.

Says the person who had 700+ posts in only two phases

[Scotty]

which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

from a tone POV I'm not sure I actually believe she believes what she's saying about him.

MP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.

So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?

Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?

Interesting - I think we meant two different things here.

I meant that I had a solid townread when you were going at me as though I was painting him bad.
I think you meant you'd legitimately not made a read on him.
[/quote]
Interesting. [mention]Epignosis[/mention], he's your witness.

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?

D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
MP seems towny-ish, his interactions have been generally NAI with others with an exception or two

For the most part the thread is a half dozen people talking and the others might not be here when the phase ends.
Also, I feel like if anyone wants to ask me a question they can because I want to clear myself as town right off the bat

[dunya]

I finally got it now when you just elaborated a bit to Scotty too, sorry.

This all makes sense, thanks.

And re: calling me out, I was just getting confused between prodding and genuinely suspecting, but I have a better idea of what you mean now given your posts as well.

how does my elaboration make you feel about me?

maybe I'm using the wrong words to explain what I'm doing. On Day 1, I prod everyone I can and then see what info I have gathered and decide where they fall in alignments in my opinion. I'll have a rainbow list soon for ya'll to show you where my head is at.

[wolbre04]

Welcome wolbre, nice to meet you.

Thank you <3

@wolbre04, I look forward to seeing your reads!

also, do you think sig represented you accurately in the blurb below?

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

Yeah that's pretty accurate. My first game of mafia ever on a forum was about five months ago, so I'm still learning steadily. I have never gotten mafia before but I won my second game ever as Serial Killer. I don't know if I can make a joke about the last sentence as it might be against the rules and I don't want to get killed immediately haha. But I don't really have a meta because I'm all over the place

So you're indie. Got it

Nice catch, but I wouldn't say it confirms anything at all.

Wishful thinking on your part lmao
To be honest I seriously wasn't sure if I could say "He'll yeah, I'm always indie of course" because it's essentially a softclaim, and a fake one at that. I'm not a wolf I swear

[Kylemii]

There now appear to be many game-relevant posts on day one. I blame MP, but I'm voting sloonei for now because yolo

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is sloppy. Yellow card for you another one and you get my vote.

Please, let me know what I need to do to get another yellow card.

But they're actually basically golden cards anyway.

Downplaying somebody's post.

Boom! I win!

I have a long history of taking votes on day one when town. You're finding out why right now. My day one record when not town is substantially cleaner.

Oops, there I go talking about my own meta. I ping myself!

In all seriousness though, why are you voting on such basic grounds? Don't you think it would be incredibly easy for me to have played a much cleaner game to date? My behaviour so far has been virtually asking for votes. Kyle even independent read me. Don't I strike you as an 'easy vote' right now?

I did what?

[Kylemii]

@Golden what's ur recent history? did u play/host many games while i wasn't around

kyle is being kyle with his data gathering methods. digging this.

why

[Scotty]

Sloppy -> Scumtell
Random voting -> Scumtell

No to both. These are weak-ass reasons for any vote. This is basically the definition of confusing 'weird' with 'bad'. This is like a list of reasons for all the mislynches on sig, marmot and wilgy over the years.

I'm being 'sloppy' because I'm having fun, and my vote wasn't in the slightest bit random but was in fact very carefully considered. It just wasn't because I suspect sloonei.

Through it all, I challenge you to accuse me of lack of meaningful content, because I think you'll find I've already got more than most everyone else in the thread.

Full stop the trireme.

You're being sloppy because you're having fun, AND your vote was carefully crafted? I goin full Geppetto here and calling Pinnochio on your ass. To say that you are thinking through your actions while also acting like you're operating from the seat of your pants is bollox, my golden child. You can defend and explain away your merits/metas/reasoning/what-have-you but how can you carefully consider your vote? That sounds unlikely and maybe a bit flippant.

[Scotty]

OK you fence sitters- I'ma make a bold statement that I think sig is TOWN.

Tell me why I'm wrong without using previous metas.

[dunya]

Dunno about Dunia's point. I thought it was pretty obvious what Dom was getting at. Really weak from Master Town Dunya tbh.

obvious that it was snarky, because I understood sig's post. I'm not saying it wasn't wordy or could have used some tightening up here and there, but we're not all wizards with our words.

[Scotty]

I have been making a tally of my strong pings both positive and negative.

Golden is 2/6. (Positives left and negatives right)
Scotty is 1/0.
MP is 4/4.
Sig is 1/1.
Sloonei is 2/0.
Dunya is 1/2.
Speedchuck is 1/1.
Nova is 0/1.
Kyle is 0/1.
Dom is 1/0.
Choutas is 1/0.

No real pings from anyone else.

Give me a ping in the negative please. If you can't think of something, take this copy of USA Today, read it on the pot, think a bit, and come back to me. There's gotta be something.

I like Mac's leanings so far.

Matter of fact, for the shit I'm giving Golden, I don't feel like voting him today in any case cause he's adding to discussion. Whether or not he's adding chili peppers to the birthday cake is fodder for another day.

[Scotty]

I agree on nova. But he’s also a newbie to me.

The difference of opinion I have is that I actually agree with nova. Sigs post was just a big no u and I don’t think it was a great post from sig either. But what’s the value in calling out the no u in question form? To me it’s like the old lawyer tenet ‘never ask a question you don’t know the answer to’. They’re probably amongst the safest questions asked in the thread.

While true, sig is willing to get dirty there. I don't feel like it's safe at all. Are there any posts he has made in this thread that make you feel he might not be a wolf in sheep's clothing?

[Scotty]

Why? I was independently benign with no anti-town intent or conduct and playing the game with a particular angle which in that case was my win con. You were taken with aspects of my behaviour that I think could better be described as weird. You misread my angle. I don’t see the comparison as strange in the least.

I’m not saying I’m independent here - I’m town... what I’m saying is you get pinged by the behaviour of how you think I should act, but there’s history showing I don’t fit in a box.

"Everyone starts independent until given a reason to align with a particular platform"
-- Trump, probably.

[dunya]

I was starting to feel a bit better about dunya, but as I continued to catch up, I realized that her question to content ratio is pretty lacking. Like, how does she even feel about anyone other than Scotty or Dom right now? And both of those seemed a bit forced to me.

sorry, I haven't really had time beyond addressing points directed towards me. This is a huge game and like I said, I'm travelling tomorrow till the 4th of May and today has been busy at work and getting ready for that trip. I haven't even finished catching up the last 5 pages yet (but close), but I have promised a rainbow list after I'm done.

[Scotty]

And I actually say that in all seriousness, because I like the method. It has merit. But it’s volume based, and mafia hide quietly.

[Kylemii]

However, they can improve the glory of their victory after that by also neutralizing the opposing civilian faction.

@JaggedJimmyJay clarification question, what is meant here by neutralize?

Defeat.

that's not what i asked :/

in the context of this game does neutralize mean get rid of all of? in order to achieve the secret special bonus victory does that require 100% death of the alternative town faction or does it just require a numerical majority.