Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Golden]

Not that you HAVE drawn the wrong conclusion, just that there are other conclusions that also exist.

[Golden]

Quin. He has come out defending Sloonei too and Wolbre made me feel like he was hyper aware of Quin. They don't start the game knowing each other's identities but through BTSC I am sure they have gone to lengths to figure out who one another are.

Even if wolbre is not indy, this could explain Quin singling out my approach to sloonei in that one post.

[novaselinenever]

Finally caught up. I'm still good with the Colin's lynch. He hasn't done anything to really defend himself and all of his posts are bad, real bad. In my interaction with him, I didn't like his explanation to the Luna vote and I'll be looking at her when he flips scum.

Something I find interesting is how this wagon grew exponentially in the last few hours. I know he didn't defend himself but I still feel uneasy with all the votes he's getting when it was a tied lynch earlier.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

[Marmot]

Just for the record I'm at work now, I'll just leave my vote where it is since the masses are going to decide anyway and it's going to be Colin clearly.

I bet I know where you are at work.

[Kylemii]

I think if we ever have a question as to whom the Persian is at any given time, I’d be down with his lynch as a filler. Unless we start eliminating Persians. Because the sooner we do that, the less likely indies will switch over to Persian rank and file methinks.

agreed i think

though i think measure should be paid to what extent the presumed Indie in question are putting into finding and killing the mafi

snce you know.... it incentivizes indies into doing helpful things and not troubling things like for example finishing off a game by forxing people to draw cool dogs in order to earn their accidentally critical votes

[Kylemii]

for example

[MacDougall]

Are you sure you guys don't think sloonei is 3P? Cause you're acting like it.

What do you think I am?

You're impossibly fast, and strong. Your skin is pale white and ice cold. Your eyes change color, and sometimes you speak like--like you're from a different time. You never eat or drink anything. You don't go out in the sunlight. ... How old are you?

Can we CFD Kyle please?

[MacDougall]

I think Sloonei is town.

What's your opinion on MP?

Of all the highest posters (Macdougall, Golden, MP... and Kylemii) I suspect him the most. But not enough to lead an entourage against him.

Im not even close to being a highest posters, I'm at like 105 Golden's at 300

How the hell do you even have 105 posts? I can't even think of a post except your Twilight one that I just remembered.

[Golden]

I just inadvertently totally fucked us by outing them.

You are making a lot of assumptions right now and I'm not willing to go down the route of lynching those three people on the back of them.

[Golden]

Finally caught up. I'm still good with the Colin's lynch. He hasn't done anything to really defend himself and all of his posts are bad, real bad. In my interaction with him, I didn't like his explanation to the Luna vote and I'll be looking at her when he flips scum.

Something I find interesting is how this wagon grew exponentially in the last few hours. I know he didn't defend himself but I still feel uneasy with all the votes he's getting when it was a tied lynch earlier.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

There's only four persians, and in my proposed theory two of them are still sitting marked on MP. There's also probably no reason not to bus him if you're his teammate at this point. It's not like the wagon came very early, which I'd probably find more suspicious.

I also think there's a lot of merit to lynching the guy who went into anti-spew mode.

[MacDougall]

I just inadvertently totally fucked us by outing them.

You are making a lot of assumptions right now and I'm not willing to go down the route of lynching those three people on the back of them.

You really need to stop making posts without the context of the future posts Golden. It's obnoxious.

[dunya]

guys, remember when I was a high poster. yea...those were the days

[Golden]

I just inadvertently totally fucked us by outing them.

You are making a lot of assumptions right now and I'm not willing to go down the route of lynching those three people on the back of them.

You really need to stop making posts without the context of the future posts Golden. It's obnoxious.

I catch up the way I catch up, and I ain't gonna change for nobody.

[Golden]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

[MacDougall]

Quin why did Wolbre single you out for a read just to explain to us that he can't single you out as scum? Is it because you are teammates and he is clumsily outing you and himself?

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Why did you read Golden's posts so intently so as to uncover a single line in his Sloonei case about Sloonei's vote on Colin when you have substituted in and said you won't be bothering to catch up? Was it because you traded into a scum team BTSC and they told you that Sloonei was under pressure and decided the best thing to do is to come after Golden as opposed to me, given that Golden already has a few people suspect of him, me included, whereas nobody is scum reading me?

Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

Why did Lunalee come after me out of the blue after switching my vote from Sloonei to LC, and then suddenly drop it after I made a 'theory of the game' post in which she was on that team too?

This is a good observation.

[MacDougall]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

[colonialbob]

Just for the record I'm at work now, I'll just leave my vote where it is since the masses are going to decide anyway and it's going to be Colin clearly.

Pretend your vote is the only one that matters. Who does it land on?

[MacDougall]

Finally caught up. I'm still good with the Colin's lynch. He hasn't done anything to really defend himself and all of his posts are bad, real bad. In my interaction with him, I didn't like his explanation to the Luna vote and I'll be looking at her when he flips scum.

Something I find interesting is how this wagon grew exponentially in the last few hours. I know he didn't defend himself but I still feel uneasy with all the votes he's getting when it was a tied lynch earlier.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

Wagons like this one ordinarily flip scum.

[MacDougall]

guys, remember when I was a high poster. yea...those were the days

I am trying to roleplay as you to make up for the terrible job I did roleplaying as you in Syndicate Mafia.

[Golden]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

Because you lose nuance when you're five pages later and can't find the post you wished you'd responded to easily any more. If I record my thoughts in the moment, I'm much more likely to have pointed out whatever the relevant thing to both myself and others in making a read is. Like, just because five pages later your view might change, doesn't mean your post as it was at the time and in that context wasn't noteworthy. It helps me not overlook stuff.

But in honestly appraising it, I think there is an aspect of meta-maintenance to it as well, yep.

[dunya]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

I do what Golden does too when I'm catching up so my opinions are unbiased and not influenced by other people's perceptions and analysis which could cloud my own judgment. When I subbed into Mountains or The Search for Quin, I just read the game from Day 1 and posted as I felt needed, from oldest to newest.

[Marmot]

Everyone has voted in the lynchpoll except for [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] (who hasn' posted since Day 1).

This is beautiful.

[Golden]

Quin why did Wolbre single you out for a read just to explain to us that he can't single you out as scum? Is it because you are teammates and he is clumsily outing you and himself?

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Why did you read Golden's posts so intently so as to uncover a single line in his Sloonei case about Sloonei's vote on Colin when you have substituted in and said you won't be bothering to catch up? Was it because you traded into a scum team BTSC and they told you that Sloonei was under pressure and decided the best thing to do is to come after Golden as opposed to me, given that Golden already has a few people suspect of him, me included, whereas nobody is scum reading me?

Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

Why did Lunalee come after me out of the blue after switching my vote from Sloonei to LC, and then suddenly drop it after I made a 'theory of the game' post in which she was on that team too?

This is a good observation.

My observations this game are good shit, even if they're wrong.

[Marmot]

dunya is here to play mafia! Let's play.

[MacDougall]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

I do what Golden does too when I'm catching up so my opinions are unbiased and not influenced by other people's perceptions and analysis which could cloud my own judgment. When I subbed into Mountains or The Search for Quin, I just read the game from Day 1 and posted as I felt needed, from oldest to newest.

I used to do it too. As recently as this very game. But Golden has shown me the error of my ways by posting comments that make me look stupid without the context of the comments I made that come after it.

[MacDougall]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

Because you lose nuance when you're five pages later and can't find the post you wished you'd responded to easily any more. If I record my thoughts in the moment, I'm much more likely to have pointed out whatever the relevant thing to both myself and others in making a read is. Like, just because five pages later your view might change, doesn't mean your post as it was at the time and in that context wasn't noteworthy. It helps me not overlook stuff.

But in honestly appraising it, I think there is an aspect of meta-maintenance to it as well, yep.

Google docs brah

[Kylemii]

I think Sloonei is town.

What's your opinion on MP?

Of all the highest posters (Macdougall, Golden, MP... and Kylemii) I suspect him the most. But not enough to lead an entourage against him.

Im not even close to being a highest posters, I'm at like 105 Golden's at 300

How the hell do you even have 105 posts? I can't even think of a post except your Twilight one that I just remembered.

i already told you, my new meta is making timely references to the hit film series twilight as often as possible

[Golden]

(It makes sure my reactions and opinions are a genuine reflection of what they would have been in the moment)

For what value? So you can look natural?

Because you lose nuance when you're five pages later and can't find the post you wished you'd responded to easily any more. If I record my thoughts in the moment, I'm much more likely to have pointed out whatever the relevant thing to both myself and others in making a read is. Like, just because five pages later your view might change, doesn't mean your post as it was at the time and in that context wasn't noteworthy. It helps me not overlook stuff.

But in honestly appraising it, I think there is an aspect of meta-maintenance to it as well, yep.

Google docs brah

Honestly I'd sooner just not catch up at all.

I don't care how I make you look (neither should you) and like I said nothing anyone says is going to make me change this approach to catch up.

[Golden]

Did MP tell LC in BTSC that he would change his vote?

This needs to be bigger.

MP said it in the thread. He then did change his vote. Then he changed back again.

I actually read the whole MP/LC exchange. MP looked pretty good, and I'd say there's a 0% chance of w/w. I've done w/w distancing with LC before and I know how much LC enjoys it. His frustration with MP was genuine.

[Turnip Head]

does twilight take place in greece or something

[Golden]

Never said he was going to move his vote back to Jack at all at any time in his post history.

False.

Is this another time I'm going to make you look stupid because you've already realised this since?

For the sake of truly letting this LC thing go until I return, the last thing I'll do (promise) is move vote to @Jackofhearts2005. I feel like of every player in this game that hasn't been really quiet, he's the one I just cannot get any handle on whatsoever. What say you, Jack? Where's your head at? Show us that supatown Jack we all want to see.

But just know that I also still think LC is bad (even if I have my doubts) and I want to know what you all think.

I read MP and LC's exchange carefully when it was happening. MP came out of it looking genuine, he was pushed off for a time by LC's emotional appeal, but in the end he came back and decided - no, he wasn't going to be pushed off by LC making him feel bad, and moved back fro[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

MP is the towniest townie who ever towned guys, wake up!

[Golden]

A literal promise to move his vote to Jack, just before he did it....

[dunya]

dunya is here to play mafia! Let's play.

meoww.

p.s. leaning strong town on nova after catching up

linki: to golden: is long con someone who uses emotional manipulation as scum to get his way?

[MacDougall]

Never said he was going to move his vote back to Jack at all at any time in his post history.

False.

Is this another time I'm going to make you look stupid because you've already realised this since?

Yes you jackanapes.

[MacDougall]

Golden, why does it feel like you are only reading my posts in your catch up?

[Golden]

linki: to golden: is long con someone who uses emotional manipulation as scum to get his way?

LC is someone who gets genuinely frustrated when he takes suspicion when bad. Everything he has done is to me consistent with baddie LC...

But that isn't to say he wouldn't also when town, so it's not entirely a slam dunk case to me.

[Golden]

Golden, why does it feel like you are only reading my posts in your catch up?

90% of the posts in the last ten pages appear to come from you.

[MacDougall]

Golden, why does it feel like you are only reading my posts in your catch up?

90% of the posts in the last ten pages appear to come from you.

False.

[dunya]

linki: to golden: is long con someone who uses emotional manipulation as scum to get his way?

LC is someone who gets genuinely frustrated when he takes suspicion when bad. Everything he has done is to me consistent with baddie LC...

But that isn't to say he wouldn't also when town, so it's not entirely a slam dunk case to me.

I didn't see that side of him in Seinfeld. I saw him more laid back, if anything. I don't know if a sock puppet game encourages a different style of play in general, but I couldn't hide my meta completely even if I tried.

[Golden]

Golden, why does it feel like you are only reading my posts in your catch up?

90% of the posts in the last ten pages appear to come from you.

False.

OK, I think I'm now at the point where MP takes over.

In all seriousness though, there hasn't been so much to talk about so far (which is a good thing), and if I'm talking about you, that probably means you are contributing actual thought instead of meaningless nothing.

[Golden]

linki: to golden: is long con someone who uses emotional manipulation as scum to get his way?

LC is someone who gets genuinely frustrated when he takes suspicion when bad. Everything he has done is to me consistent with baddie LC...

But that isn't to say he wouldn't also when town, so it's not entirely a slam dunk case to me.

I didn't see that side of him in Seinfeld. I saw him more laid back, if anything. I don't know if a sock puppet game encourages a different style of play in general, but I couldn't hide my meta completely even if I tried.

In Syndicate 2018 LC was DrWilgy and I lynched him incorrectly, and he played a style that was entirely unrecognisable to me as being LC. Was he bad in Seinfeld?

I do find there to be a level of genuineness to LC when he has been talking about how people can't read him, hubris etc. But truth be told most of my feelings on LC don't come from reading him, but through his interactions with the other people I think are bad and good. I don't really have a gut 'read' on him in this game in any sort of tone sense.

[Kylemii]

does twilight take place in greece or something

excuse me, sir, the climax of New Moon takes place in the Vatican City

[Jackofhearts2005]

A literal promise to move his vote to Jack, just before he did it....

I promise to eat this cookie and play Skyrim.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just want to say that Kyle’s posts are entirely in line with Kyle’s meta.

[Golden]

A literal promise to move his vote to Jack, just before he did it....

I promise to eat this cookie and play Skyrim.

Which cookie?

[Jackofhearts2005]

A literal promise to move his vote to Jack, just before he did it....

I promise to eat this cookie and play Skyrim.

Which cookie?

What cookie? I no longer have a cookie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

True to my promise.

[dunya]

linki: to golden: is long con someone who uses emotional manipulation as scum to get his way?

LC is someone who gets genuinely frustrated when he takes suspicion when bad. Everything he has done is to me consistent with baddie LC...

But that isn't to say he wouldn't also when town, so it's not entirely a slam dunk case to me.

I didn't see that side of him in Seinfeld. I saw him more laid back, if anything. I don't know if a sock puppet game encourages a different style of play in general, but I couldn't hide my meta completely even if I tried.

In Syndicate 2018 LC was DrWilgy and I lynched him incorrectly, and he played a style that was entirely unrecognisable to me as being LC. Was he bad in Seinfeld?

I do find there to be a level of genuineness to LC when he has been talking about how people can't read him, hubris etc. But truth be told most of my feelings on LC don't come from reading him, but through his interactions with the other people I think are bad and good. I don't really have a gut 'read' on him in this game in any sort of tone sense.

yea, Seinfeld is the only game I've played with LC where he was scum.

All other games, he's been town and I've seen Town LC passionate/frustrated at people overestimating his mafia abilities, building incorrect cases against him and leading towards his mislynch.

I can see where you're coming from though. I'll look into it a little more. We should have a lot more to analyze and connect after we catch our first Persian.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ergo, I am town.

[dunya]

I just want to say that Kyle’s posts are entirely in line with Kyle’s meta.

I can't say I agree entirely. This Twilight thing is new and absurd. If the theme wasn't Ancient Greece, I would have said it was role-specific, even.