[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

#301

Wow, what an interesting ending vote distribution!

Catching up as we speak.

#302

More to come later, but...

johns2jj wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?
The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.
So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

Woah!! Where did I say this?

I was specifically asking you for your response first because I knew certain players could not get contraband; I never once said I never got anything.

#303

Who will be lynched?

Poll ended at Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:00 pm

A Person
1
Mongoose (8)
6%

birdwithteeth11
1
Elohcin (10)
6%

boo
1
thellama73 (4)
6%

Bullzeye
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

FZ.
0
No votes

johns2jj
1
Dom (11)
6%

Lizzy
4
Lizzy (9), FZ. (13), S~V~S (14), Mister Rearranger (16)
24%

Mister Rearranger
4
MovingPictures07 (5), Nevinera (7), Bullzeye (12), boo (15)
24%

Mongoose
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

MrThomas
0
No votes

Nevinera
0
No votes

reywaS
0
No votes

Russtifikno
0
No votes

S~V~S
0
No votes

thellama73
2
johns2jj (2), MrThomas (3)
12%

Vompatti
2
Vompatti (6), A Person (17)
12%

Eduard Delacroix (the Host, the Mod, the Dead)
1
Epignosis (1)
6%

Total votes : 17

#304

Breakfast

This morning in the cafeteria there was a lot of clamor over a spilled tray. One of the new fish evidently bumped into Brass and knocked his breakfast on the floor. It gets pretty crowded in there, and tempers have a way of flaring up in a crowd, even early in the morning when there’s been no coffee to fuel someone’s rage.

Brass said he was cut the throat of whichever son of a bitch bumped into him. This led to all sorts of finger pointing and accusations from the new fish.

Millard, who’d worked in the kitchen for as long as I could remember, whipped up a new tray real quick and got Brass to calm down. Millard even offered him an extra biscuit if he’d keep the peace. I was surprised to see Brass cool off over a stale biscuit, but that’s just what he did.

No one has been lynched. It is now Night 1. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

#305

The Book Cart

Most nights in Shawshank are pretty quiet. People can talk shit all they want to behind bars, but they know they’ll lose that protection in the morning.

So a lot of us keep to ourselves in the evenings. Some of us like to read. Well, we don’t like to read, but we learned to like it. If the moon is just right or if your window is exposed to one of those bright prison lights along the wall, you can even read yourself to sleep.

We have a decent little library here. Each evening the cart comes around we can choose to take a book or not. The selection is limited, but I don’t mind. I just read one at a time.

The cart’s coming around now. There’s only one copy of each book, by the way. What book do you take?

#306

Well, god dammit. Looks like Epig is doing his whole "ties = no lynch" deal. I guess that could be good, BUT, I still feel MR's behavior is not seeming civvie-like at the moment.

I am REALLY bothered by JJ's post. I love giving the newbies the BOTD, but for someone that showed previously hardly any knowledge of game mechanics, for him to come in and say that, specifically when I NEVER stated I didn't receive anything is very highly suspect to me.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to vote now.

As much as I hate to do it (because I love playing with you, MR, and it's so great you're back), I am voting for MR.

1. His "after 1 full reread" post strikes me as opportunistic and trying too hard, combined with the fact that he cannot seem to elaborate why he finds anyone more suspicious than anyone else, even after I asked.
2. His subtle pushing of Mongoose for a ridiculous reason seems possibly suspect. Even more possibly suspect is how he completely abandoned it.
3. His vote of rey, which as far as I can tell is completely unexplained in addition to his "vibe"-esque baddie read on me, just makes no sense.
4. Llama actually made a gambit/paranoid type post I sort of find some sort of value with for once! I do feel MR was specifically avoiding llama possibly for the exact reasons llama stated.
5. I really have no solid opinion or read on anyone else at this point, frankly.

votes MR

Sorry, bud, but only if you are a civvie. If you're bad, good riddance. :P
2. I never pushed for Mongoose. My "elephant in the room" comment was with regards to a push for her that I already found suspect. Now that she has responded, I do not think we should lynch her or Llama today.
5. After points 1, 3, and 4, your excuse-making is kind of a cop-out.
6. A vote for me would not be wise. Funny how you're catching so much heat in the other game, because I think THIS is you on your baddie isht.

1, 2, 3, 4, tell me that you love me more.

You subtly pushed more commentary on Mongoose. It's much more likely baddie behavior than actually coming out, starting the suspicion against her, etc.

How is that an excuse or a cop-out? You were the only one I even had any read on. Of course, now given what has happened, that has changed.

And even funnier you "NO U" me at the end there. How is this my baddie game?

FZ. wrote:One other question:

On k-site, BWT was much more vocal. Did he say anything about being MIA?

I don't think he did, but BWT keeps pretty busy with work, and his performance in the K-Site game is honestly one of the most vocal, if not the most, I've ever seen from him.

#307

Claiming *Game of Thrones* as my book!

Interesting that there was no lynch, though I know Epi does like to do that in games he hosts so I'm not sure what to make of that.

Epi, was the lack of death your usual tie situation or did something happen you can't tell us about?

Linki - MP, do you also feel like there may have been a save of MR attempted?

#308

In fact, this just seems so weird to me. I mean, look at my posts on the topic:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?
Don't waste your breath trying to talk to him. He is impossible.
Let him attempt to respond.

I really want to see his answer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?
Don't waste your breath trying to talk to him. He is impossible.
Let him attempt to respond.

I really want to see his answer.
I don't think I could stop him if he wanted to. I'm just saying don't hold your breath.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:ALL THE SAME WE TAKE OUR CHANCES
THE MORE THAT THINGS CHANGE...

THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME!!
My all time favorite Rush song. I was so stoked they played it when I saw them live.
I understand. He's still new. I remember what it was like to be new. It takes a while to get used to the game. Regardless, I do want to see what he has to say regarding Day 0 now that it's over.

And I love that song too. I don't think I have an all time favorite Rush song (impossible), but I've seen them play that song live once and it was great!!

Linkitis with MR: That's pretty typical for Mongoose, truth be told. Why those players particularly (with regards to all three groupings)? And I voted for llama.

Still by this point he's said NOTHING about it. And those are my only posts on the matter. Then, he answers:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?
Not so sure how the giving out info from pm rule applies so take that statement as you will. May give a more direct answer later if I don't feel like it will break a rule.
I PMed the host. We can discuss it.

In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?

In which one of those posts do I say I never received anything or ANYTHING about my results from Day 0?

If someone can point that out to me, that'd be great. Because... maybe I was ambiguous and don't realize it. BUT to me it seems clear as blue. I specifically was waiting on saying something.

#309

I picked Animal Farm by the way.

Bullzeye wrote:Claiming *Game of Thrones* as my book!

Interesting that there was no lynch, though I know Epi does like to do that in games he hosts so I'm not sure what to make of that.

Epi, was the lack of death your usual tie situation or did something happen you can't tell us about?

Linki - MP, do you also feel like there may have been a save of MR attempted?

You know, I don't know. It seems like a pretty solid theory, but honestly, I'm feeling much more sure about JJ than I am MR at this point. I am trying to be reasonable and give him the BOTD, but I really truly think we caught a first-time baddie here.

Also, as to the Lizzy votes, I thought some of those were strange... so if there was a save of MR, you could say maybe that contributed as well.

We all know Lizzy, Vomps, and sometimes AP play REALLY odd games, at least, those of us around here. I am with llama in that I disagree entirely that a self-vote makes much sense, BUT I have used it when trying to make a point, and I've given up trying to rationalize any behavior that Lizzy or Vomps do. They are the polar opposite of "rational" mafia players. It makes them fun! But it also makes them practically impossible to read.

#310

MovingPictures07 wrote:I picked Animal Farm by the way.

You know, I don't know. It seems like a pretty solid theory, but honestly, I'm feeling much more sure about JJ than I am MR at this point. I am trying to be reasonable and give him the BOTD, but I really truly think we caught a first-time baddie here.

Also, as to the Lizzy votes, I thought some of those were strange... so if there was a save of MR, you could say maybe that contributed as well.

We all know Lizzy, Vomps, and sometimes AP play REALLY odd games, at least, those of us around here. I am with llama in that I disagree entirely that a self-vote makes much sense, BUT I have used it when trying to make a point, and I've given up trying to rationalize any behavior that Lizzy or Vomps do. They are the polar opposite of "rational" mafia players. It makes them fun! But it also makes them practically impossible to read.

You could be right about JJ, I dunno. Haven't given him or his comments much thought. I do think it was odd the way the votes came in after I put mine on MR, it kinda made me more confident about my choice. I do fully agree with your assessment of Lizzy, Vomp, and AP. They're great people, but completely loopy

It tends to make them easy targets and I know I've thrown away votes on them (and/or others like them) as a baddie from time to time knowing I could use their perfectly normal actions to justify it.

#311

Bullzeye wrote:Epi, was the lack of death your usual tie situation or did something happen you can't tell us about?

I have handled ties in various ways, but in this scenario, that is the case. If there is a tie, there will be no lynch. It's one of several reasons why participants may change their votes up to the deadline.

#312

Picked my favorite from the list.

@MP: Had I given an opinion on Mongoose before she returned, she could have used that opinion to her advantage,regardless of allignment. Try to paint patience as a baddie technique all you want, it's not. Reactions to it are what I'll be looking at.

#313

I love Epi's no-ties, no lynch deal!

Anyway, whatthe ehfajkl I have so much to say about how all the voting went down. I need some time though.

I am voting To Kill a Mockingbird because I went to law school (and currently do legal pro bono work) because of Atticus Finch.
I know you were probably thinking I would pick either that or Animal Farm, and I see no need to start surprising you now.

#314

Well, I guess no lynch is good for now. It gives us a little more time to find the scum

I do like the sound of that

I picked Snow Falling on Cedars. Great book!

johns2jj wrote:
JJ works but I am starting to like john jacob jingleheimer thing as it uses my real initials.

I went to school with a John Jacob who went by JJ

#315

Oh, we're actually saying what we pick? I went with Of Mice and Men. Mostly to fuck with rey, since I think that's what he would have picked if it had still be available.

#316

Mongoose wrote:I love Epi's no-ties, no lynch deal!

I hate it! I know everyone always says "yay! no lynch!" but civvies can't win without lynches. Every day without a lynch is a missed opportunity to kill a baddie, and one of us will be killed during the night.

I have been meaning to read Faulkner for a while now, so I choose him.

#317

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I love Epi's no-ties, no lynch deal!
I hate it! I know everyone always says "yay! no lynch!" but civvies can't win without lynches. Every day without a lynch is a missed opportunity to kill a baddie, and one of us will be killed during the night.

I have been meaning to read Faulkner for a while now, so I choose him.

At least it happened D1, typically not a good result anyways. Plus, in this case I think the most compelling thing going into D2 for voting only came out like 20 minutes before the lynch ended. Flying blind as to anything useful, but better no dead civs then one dead and what realistically would probably have been info gained that was only useful in the short-term if at all.

All that assuming the lynch was headed in the direction of a civ, so it's a generality, and in this case I'm not sure it holds up since I think early votes had found the right person, and it could have been clinched towards the end, but it's really way to soon for any kind of certainty, so it still works for me.

#318

I take a shower and come back to see all the good books are taken. I was going to pick the brother Karamazov or animal farm because it seemed fitting to read in jail...you know, learn from others' experience

Is this a real poll? Do we have to choose something? Can we pick something that was already picked?
And can I say it sucks that there was no lynch?

#319

Well, no lynch is better than a civ lynch, and another day to discuss it would be OK

I took A Handmaids Tale~ lots of good books on that cart, but I especially love that one.

#320

FZ. wrote:I take a shower and come back to see all the good books are taken. I was going to pick the brother Karamazov or animal farm because it seemed fitting to read in jail...you know, learn from others' experience
Is this a real poll? Do we have to choose something? Can we pick something that was already picked?
And can I say it sucks that there was no lynch?

Not voting usually isn't a good idea, and he specifically said there's only one of each, so you should vote for something no one else has.

#321

boo wrote:
FZ. wrote:I take a shower and come back to see all the good books are taken. I was going to pick the brother Karamazov or animal farm because it seemed fitting to read in jail...you know, learn from others' experience
Is this a real poll? Do we have to choose something? Can we pick something that was already picked?
And can I say it sucks that there was no lynch?
Not voting usually isn't a good idea, and he specifically said there's only one of each, so you should vote for something no one else has.

OK, went with A prayer for Owen Meany. If the content of the book actually has a meaning in terms of consequences of the vote, I'd like to get Owen's smarts

I wonder if people were avoiding choosing sides wanting a tie to prevent a lynch. If so, there are a few reasons to do so I can think of. But I'm too tired to talk about them, so I'll just go to bed.

Good night

#322

MovingPictures07 wrote:More to come later, but...

johns2jj wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?
The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.
So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.
Woah!! Where did I say this?

I was specifically asking you for your response first because I knew certain players could not get contraband; I never once said I never got anything.

I will be very intrigued by his response.

Grabbing Salinger.

Not sure what to make of the MR/Llama situation. I'm not really getting either suspicion tbh

#323

We are reading Blankets this month in book club as the genre is graphic novels.

Also, I dig the host voting option of Errant Heirs!

#324

Mongoose wrote:We are reading Blankets this month in book club as the genre is graphic novels.

Blankets is one of the greatest graphic novels I have ever read. I read it in one day. Couldn't help it. Only four other times or so have I ever felt so moved.

#325

Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:We are reading Blankets this month in book club as the genre is graphic novels.
Blankets is one of the greatest graphic novels I have ever read. I read it in one day. Couldn't help it. Only four other times or so have I ever felt so moved.

Everyone I have ever known that has read that book has binge-read it in one setting (including me!) I read it in college, so I need to check it out for a re-read before our meeting. We are doing a blanket-themed food setup!

Oh, if you think of any discussion questions, pass them along to your favorite local neighborhood mongoose?

#326

Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:We are reading Blankets this month in book club as the genre is graphic novels.
Blankets is one of the greatest graphic novels I have ever read. I read it in one day. Couldn't help it. Only four other times or so have I ever felt so moved.
Everyone I have ever known that has read that book has binge-read it in one setting (including me!) I read it in college, so I need to check it out for a re-read before our meeting. We are doing a blanket-themed food setup!

Oh, if you think of any discussion questions, pass them along to your favorite local neighborhood mongoose?

"In as much as you drink this cup...it will never be enough."

Wow.

Discussion question: Did you celebrate the protagonist's change of heart at the end of the novel or did you rue it? Why?

#327

MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.

#328

johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.

What do the cigarettes do?

#329

thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
What do the cigarettes do?

Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?

#330

johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
What do the cigarettes do?
Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?

Grammatical train wreck aside, it is true that silenced people are not allowed to post.

#331

Sorry I haven't been around, like, at all. I'm in 3 games right now (1 of which I haven't even posted or looked at the thread any yet), and the one I'm in on K-Site has taken up most of my free time in mafia. I'm not quite as busy until Friday though, so it should give me some time to get my bearings here.

To be honest, I'm fairly lost right now and don't really have any strong feelings of anyone or anything yet. From here on in, hopefully I can contribute a bit more and start to get some groundings.

#332

As for my book, all the ones from the list that I've actually read have already been picked. So I'm selecting Dubliners because it's the only other one I know anything about. And because James Joyce is awesome.

#333

thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
What do the cigarettes do?
Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?
Grammatical train wreck aside, it is true that silenced people are not allowed to post.

I used it during a day period and it is a bonus. That should limit what it does.

#334

johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.
What do the cigarettes do?
Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?
Grammatical train wreck aside, it is true that silenced people are not allowed to post.
I used it during a day period and it is a bonus. That should limit what it does.

I think it made your vote worth more, causing me to tie Lizzy, and that's why there was no lynch. That's really mean of you. What did I ever do to you?

#335

I went to the first page to the roles to see if any items were listed. After re-reading through it, these are my thoughts:

Well if he really used a cigarette (and we believe that), we can guess he's not Shawshank personnel as they cannot receive contraband, per the role list.

#336

thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
What do the cigarettes do?
Answer this and I'll give a hint, I'm sure everyone will know soon enough because if red, are silenced people not allowed to post in here?
Grammatical train wreck aside, it is true that silenced people are not allowed to post.

I used it during a day period and it is a bonus. That should limit what it does.
I think it made your vote worth more, causing me to tie Lizzy, and that's why there was no lynch. That's really mean of you. What did I ever do to you?

You wished anhedonia upon me.

#337

Mongoose wrote:I went to the first page to the roles to see if any items were listed. After re-reading through it, these are my thoughts:

Well if he really used a cigarette (and we believe that), we can guess he's not Shawshank personnel as they cannot receive contraband, per the role list.

You've gone to painstaking lengths to demonstrate that you know this from rereading the role page instead of because you are a member of Shawshank Personnel.

Linki: it wasn't a wish, it was a prediction.

#338

Mongoose wrote:I went to the first page to the roles to see if any items were listed. After re-reading through it, these are my thoughts:

Well if he really used a cigarette (and we believe that), we can guess he's not Shawshank personnel as they cannot receive contraband, per the role list.

#339

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I went to the first page to the roles to see if any items were listed. After re-reading through it, these are my thoughts:

Well if he really used a cigarette (and we believe that), we can guess he's not Shawshank personnel as they cannot receive contraband, per the role list.
You've gone to painstaking lengths to demonstrate that you know this from rereading the role page instead of because you are a member of Shawshank Personnel.

Linki: it wasn't a wish, it was a prediction.

I'm not sure you know what painstaking means, ace. I didn't even quote it.

I always quote something from the role page because I read the role page, son. If anything, I was just glad no one said they thought he was trying too hard to prove he was civ by touting his contraband-gathering abilities.
Fun fact: I really am known for reading re-reading the rules of things. At Dirty Santa the other night, my friend asked me to explain the rules because I had read them so many times, I was able to recite them verbatim from memory.

I'm a little bit of a nut but I hate being an inadvertent rule violator.

#340

Yeah, I'm sorry. I really think you slipped up there. I'm definitely voting for you tomorrow, if you don't NK me.

#341

That's inane, man. I am making observations. Epi's games always features items more heavily than a lot of other games, so it's always good to read the role list. It's so weird that you are honing in on such a random statement.

Also something else but I'm watching TV and forgot.

#342

Mongoose wrote:That's inane, man. I am making observations. Epi's games always features items more heavily than a lot of other games, so it's always good to read the role list. It's so weird that you are honing in on such a random statement.

Also something else but I'm watching TV and forgot.

It's not that you read the role list, it's that you pointed out that you read it twice in the same post, which seemed overly cautious. I'm convinced I caught you in a slip.

#343

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:That's inane, man. I am making observations. Epi's games always features items more heavily than a lot of other games, so it's always good to read the role list. It's so weird that you are honing in on such a random statement.

Also something else but I'm watching TV and forgot.
It's not that you read the role list, it's that you pointed out that you read it twice in the same post, which seemed overly cautious. I'm convinced I caught you in a slip.

It wasn't a slip, I meant every word.

Did I say it twice? I really shouldn't ever mafia when I'm watching TV because I'm not as succinct as I'd like.

#344

I don't see Mongoose's post as a slip. I am constantly re-reading the roles as well as the game plays out.

#345

Elohcin wrote:I don't see Mongoose's post as a slip. I am constantly re-reading the roles as well as the game plays out.

Trust me, I'm right about this.

#346

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I don't see Mongoose's post as a slip. I am constantly re-reading the roles as well as the game plays out.
Trust me, I'm right about this.

So, you are saying you think both her and JJ are bad?

#347

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I don't see Mongoose's post as a slip. I am constantly re-reading the roles as well as the game plays out.
Trust me, I'm right about this.

why

#348

Elohcin wrote: So, you are saying you think both her and JJ are bad?

No. I don't really think John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt is bad.

Dom wrote: why

Because I feel really sure and I am excited to catch a baddie so early in the game.

#349

why would she defend JJ as civ then?

#350

Elohcin wrote:why would she defend JJ as civ then?

Why wouldn't she? Baddies defend civs all the time. If they only defended other baddies, it would be really easy to get all of them once we got one.