Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[sig]

sig, at what point did you ever forget that I was in this?

I answered that, when I made a list ranking all the player from civ to mafia you weren't on it I forgot you.

So that qualifies as "keep forgetting?"

and wow I keep forgetting that Epi is in this game, and he didnt do any day 1 shenanigans. I'd put him as Mafia maybe on my list.

Your words.

"Keep forgetting" is a tense that implies you have habitually done this. This remark came after you made that list. When did you forget me before?

I feel like you're arguing semantics here, i forgot you when I was brainstorming players and thinking what they did that would be civvie or mafia. It took me a few minutes to do I kept forgetting.

[sig]

lol if INH is an indy and all these pages of us arguing has been useless

[Epignosis]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

[Epignosis]

This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

[Lunalee]

Now I'm worried about what luna does to speedchuck in the privacy of their own home when speed puts timers on the polls. I feel like we've walked in on something.

I like to know how long I can procrastinate deciding on my vote.

[Quin]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

[Golden]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

[sig]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

[sig]

This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

[MacDougall]

lol if INH is an indy and all these pages of us arguing has been useless

Doesn't rationalise your behaviour one bit. What it does is make your irrational behaviour forgiveable.

[sig]

When I'm right at End game about this I'll make sure to be super salty dw

[MacDougall]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Nah dog. Nah. This ain't cool at all.

[Golden]

lol if INH is an indy and all these pages of us arguing has been useless

Doesn't rationalise your behaviour one bit. What it does is make your irrational behaviour forgiveable.

Why would it make his behaviour forgiveable? As has been pointed out, if he's civilian it would make just as much sense for him to presume inh is indy or mafia from the outset.

[ColinIsCool]

If INH is indie claiming, then why the hell does sig still look so bad?

[Kylemii]

By the way, in case it eluded anybody's attention, INH all but claimed not to be a civilian.

It did elude my attention. Could you point this out?

Because if INH is indy it's not impossible that sig is town and just being suspicious because that's how he does things.

I'm surprised nobody has said anything.

I thought Scotty's D1 voting pattern was weird and suspicious enough for me to vote for him, however, if he later went against what made me suspicious, I was open to changing it to someone else.

Quin is trying to put me in a situation where I either post the details of my role, proving that I'm not a threat to the civilians, or he's gonna make me look like a confirmed baddie, and serve my head on a platter.

But apparently the first is malevolent blackmail, and the second is okay, kosher civ behavior.


Linki:

Why should I care about your role? Scum gets fakeclaims.

What? I thought fake-claims were more character based. Like, if everyone said the name of their role, and three of the names were obvious bad guys in time-travel related tales, then fakeclaims would allow them to at least appear as simpatico, non-enemy sounding roles. That's how I used them in the games I've hosted. I'm not familiar with fake-claims including fake abilities.

Well, what the fuck do you want from me, Quin? If literally nothing I can say about myself or my role could change anything, fuck it.

Might as well ignore you then.

oh. that seems like an extremely important detail

[sig]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

This is some sloppy shit from sig. That's all I've got to say.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Nah dog. Nah. This ain't cool at all.

Yeah if you think I'm mafia why move to an Independent?

[mention]Golden[/mention] What do you think of the lynch chain that Epi/Mac are trying to make

[Golden]

Somehow Mac and I are never of one mind and also always of one mind. I kind of love it.

[Epignosis]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

News flash:

I don't care how uncomfortable you are with me. Get comfortable.

[sig]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

News flash:

I don't care how uncomfortable you are with me. Get comfortable.

lol nah I love you epi dw.

[Epignosis]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

[MacDougall]

lol if INH is an indy and all these pages of us arguing has been useless

Doesn't rationalise your behaviour one bit. What it does is make your irrational behaviour forgiveable.

Why would it make his behaviour forgiveable? As has been pointed out, if he's civilian it would make just as much sense for him to presume inh is indy or mafia from the outset.

No sorry it doesn't make him town, it makes his bad play forgiveable in the sense that I can forgive that he missed INH's indie claim since I did too. If he didn't miss his indie claim then his play is both bad AND poor. In this case it's bad AND understandable.

[Quin]

We should lynch sig today to avoid this whole Day 3/Day 4 whatever the fuck he's spewing. He's also the worst looking of the two.

Leave INH alive until Day 4. This is important. Please.

[MacDougall]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

In my opinion the first thing a caught Mafia does in that scenario is question the validity of the information (ala Sig). A caught independent would almost certainly roleclaim at that juncture. A mafia to indie claim at that point before going after the validity of the information ... no doesn't seem right.

[Epignosis]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

And just to be clear, yes, yes I am trying to decide the next three lynches. And the three after that. Any issue with that?

[MacDougall]

We should lynch sig today to avoid this whole Day 3/Day 4 whatever the fuck he's spewing. He's also the worst looking of the two.

Leave INH alive until Day 4. This is important. Please.

I fail to see how his looks are relevant here Quin. Rude.

[sig]

We should lynch sig today to avoid this whole Day 3/Day 4 whatever the fuck he's spewing. He's also the worst looking of the two.

Leave INH alive until Day 4. This is important. Please.

lol you guys don't get it day 3 has already happened. I'm not getting lynched today no matter what.

ALso why leave INH alive until day 4

[Golden]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

Here we go with the 'defending teammates' again. Just like I was defending Zeph yesterday by voting FOR inh, eh

[MacDougall]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

And just to be clear, yes, yes I am trying to decide the next three lynches. And the three after that. Any issue with that?

I'm cool with figuring out who we're lynching on day 8 right now given what this game is. Paradox police being the Mafia implies that time vandalising is a civilian duty here.

[Epignosis]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

In my opinion the first thing a caught Mafia does in that scenario is question the validity of the information (ala Sig). A caught independent would almost certainly roleclaim at that juncture. A mafia to indie claim at that point before going after the validity of the information ... no doesn't seem right.

As I said, lynch both.

Neither one responded with any enthusiasm. One all but claimed harmless independent (which we won't know if we lynch him) and the other questioned the message (which we won't know is true if we lynch him).

Get rid of both, says I.

[sig]

I'd say INH is independent and sig is bad. Lynch both. Move on.

Then Quin for good measure.

16 players

You're trying to decide the next three lynches in a game where we might not even have 5 phases?

like we're down to 14. Nutella was a night action so high chane she's civ and I'd say Zeph is civ we're down to 14. IF Quin and INH are civs along with me who am I civ we'd be down to 8 players.

Like this level of lynch planning makes me very uncomfortable with you Epi.

And just to be clear, yes, yes I am trying to decide the next three lynches. And the three after that. Any issue with that?

Maybe?

Preplanned when we don't have any flips is imo isn't helpful to civs especially when you'd be passing all three off of one PM

[Golden]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

[Quin]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

In my opinion the first thing a caught Mafia does in that scenario is question the validity of the information (ala Sig). A caught independent would almost certainly roleclaim at that juncture. A mafia to indie claim at that point before going after the validity of the information ... no doesn't seem right.

As I said, lynch both.

Neither one responded with any enthusiasm. One all but claimed harmless independent (which we won't know if we lynch him) and the other questioned the message (which we won't know is true if we lynch him).

Get rid of both, says I.

I insist that you desist.

[Golden]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[sig]

If inh is indy I don't see him as threatening. If those words are a slip they will be full truth, which would also mean he isn't a threat to civilians.

I suspect you again.

The first thing a caught mafia does in that scenario is claim to be independent. You're defending him.

In my opinion the first thing a caught Mafia does in that scenario is question the validity of the information (ala Sig). A caught independent would almost certainly roleclaim at that juncture. A mafia to indie claim at that point before going after the validity of the information ... no doesn't seem right.

As I said, lynch both.

Neither one responded with any enthusiasm. One all but claimed harmless independent (which we won't know if we lynch him) and the other questioned the message (which we won't know is true if we lynch him).

Get rid of both, says I.

I'm enthusiastic though? Just not to blindly follow someone info dumping which may be true and was potentially a message sent by soemoen else.

IF it's 100% quin who did it i say bring on the INH lynch since ik i'm not mafia.

[MacDougall]

Sig are you a civilian? Yes or no?

If you are a civilian what will be the outcome of lynching you today? Is the outcome positive or negative? Why?

If you are a civilian does your continued existence beyond day 3 reap any benefit to the civilian cause?

[MacDougall]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

[MacDougall]

I do not believe either are bad for posterity.

[Golden]

Epi goes from voting his apparent mafia read to his indy read. Then claims his indy read is a mafia read. But if so, what's his sig read been all about, because this all started with the two clearly not being compatible with each other?

And Epi still wants to lynch both of them... even though he now apparently thinks INH is bad, with no evidence that sig would be indy...

His logic is all over the place inconsistent.

[Golden]

Also if anyone thinks I'm inh's teammte...

Go reread day one.

[sig]

Sig are you a civilian? Yes or no?

If you are a civilian what will be the outcome of lynching you today? Is the outcome positive or negative? Why?

If you are a civilian does your continued existence beyond day 3 reap any benefit to the civilian cause?

Yes

there's no outcome of lynching me today since it won't happen but if it did it would be negative since you'd loose a civ, but there wouldn't be some cataclysmic event

yes in the sense that I'd be here to post and engage. However, it's not like some role actives if I'm alive after day 3.

Also I think y'all might've read a little bit to deep into my d/n 1 posts.

[sig]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

Epi

[Quin]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

Golden.

[Golden]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

Golden.

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

You can lie detect that motherfucker to the bank.

[MacDougall]

Sig are you a civilian? Yes or no?

If you are a civilian what will be the outcome of lynching you today? Is the outcome positive or negative? Why?

If you are a civilian does your continued existence beyond day 3 reap any benefit to the civilian cause?

Yes

there's no outcome of lynching me today since it won't happen but if it did it would be negative since you'd loose a civ, but there wouldn't be some cataclysmic event

yes in the sense that I'd be here to post and engage. However, it's not like some role actives if I'm alive after day 3.

Also I think y'all might've read a little bit to deep into my d/n 1 posts.

So if we attempt to lynch you today, it just fails? Or it redirects? Does the second person get lynched instead? What do you expect the outcome to be? Just your continued existence and a fart video?

So you are saying that all of your role stops being relevant come day 3?

If you are a civilian then us wasting a lynch on you here is a bad idea. Given we have several other people who have role claimed, perhaps the civilian duty you have here is to actually just enlighten us as to what it is that you do?

[Epignosis]

Also epi - provide an example of what you claim (mafia claim independent in situations like this). It would never have even occurred to me, but I also disagree, because if anything inh didn't 'claim' indy but 'slip' indy.

I'm not providing a thing. I have no interest. I've seen it. You don't believe me? Fine.

[ColinIsCool]

Am I wrong to think INH is not claiming or slipping indie in that post? I interpreted it as “I could tell you my role but then I’d be a goner” but I can’t figure out what exactly he meant.

[Epignosis]

Epi goes from voting his apparent mafia read to his indy read. Then claims his indy read is a mafia read. But if so, what's his sig read been all about, because this all started with the two clearly not being compatible with each other?

And Epi still wants to lynch both of them... even though he now apparently thinks INH is bad, with no evidence that sig would be indy...

His logic is all over the place inconsistent.

Don't give a

Spoiler: show

shit.

[MacDougall]

Am I wrong to think INH is not claiming or slipping indie in that post? I interpreted it as “I could tell you my role but then I’d be a goner” but I can’t figure out what exactly he meant.

He specifically said "I'm not a threat to the townies".

When has a civilian ever said that?

[Quin]

To those of you not named Epignosis or Golden.

If one of them is bad, who is it?

Golden.

If I'm bad Quin is bad.

You can lie detect that motherfucker to the bank.

are you looking for a repeat of phenon because if so i am probably going to cry

[MacDougall]

Epignosis are you actually a doctor or were you talking shit? Because there's a bit of an elephant in the room here given Scotty seems to be counter claiming.