Outpost 31 {GAME OVER}

[sprityo]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention]
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Quin[/mention]

Who did you vote for the flamethrower Day Zero? This is important

[sprityo]

Case against Novaselinever

In this Essay case i will go through all 16 of novas' current posts are identify why he's bad.

I've broken up posts by times posted. Theyre all grouped in that they were made within a short time of eachother if theyre within the lines.

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Post 1: Day 0 fluff, does not participate in Day 0 discussion. Already setting a pattern of being absent and not interacting. Everyone waved this off in Megaman, but in reality Novas still read the thread and laid low until I (one of the only players to suspect them) had died. And SUDDENLY he appeared to have "returned."

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Post 2:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
because he hasn't shown up yet, so why not?

And what if he ia civ? That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon. Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad. Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it

It's just a vote though, and the only one on him. Over-reacting much?

Here he downplays Eloh's question to lunalee. Paints her in a bad light. No offering of a better opinion or solution. There was no reason to bring up the concept of it just being one vote. That didnt relate to what Eloh was saying at all. How I interpretted what eloh said was "that's a bad reason to vote him (and so soon into the day)" and that lunalee "should do some actual hunting."

So what novas did was not constructive, it served no purpose really other than to put out words into the thread and paint someone else who he probably feels is an easy target, as bad.


Post 3: no content


Post 4:

Spoiler: show

My poor unfortunate soul voted for none other than the Head of Turnips

As an aside for mechanics involving the flamethrower, If there is a tie in the lynch poll i choose one of the people tied

or i just burn whoever i want.


I really need you guys to sell me on some lynches here

How about you sell us on some lynches? If you're intending on using the flamethrower in a democratic way (following the lynch poll), then this game shouldn't be any different of any other game where you would be trying to get the person you believe is bad lynched.

I had replied to this already but let me re-address it now. Novas asks me to give a reason to lynch someone else. Which is not how that works as DH is currently doing in a more practical sense. Our job as the people not with the flamethrower is to SELL THE EXECUTIONER on who to lynch. If we dont do that, then they can just do whatever they want. Now as DDL and TH have both pointed out, that isnt an excuse to have said executioner avoid discussion altogether. (my bad, oh well, go cry about it). The underlined is false because I never intended to use it democratically and didnt say as such. To wrap it up, this is lazy prompting without actually doing work themselves.

( I had my ultimatum laid out for everyone to see. And I was going to be judge jury and executioner in line with those rules. I want to state again, if im campaigning for someone to be lynched, why would i need to say it when I would be the one to just kill them anyways? This is why i left my choice in the lynch up to participation and numbers. )

Post 5: Votes Elohcin with no justification.

Post 6: Says "DH is good" with no justification.

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Post 7: Eloh asks Novas why he voted her (I would too because he didnt give a reason). To which Novas responds "I quoted something else from you earlier in a separate post that you have to go find and then figure out yourself what I'm thinking" essentially. He's referring to Post 2. Which boils down to he thinks Eloh is" Overreacting" to Lunalee's vote. There was nothing over-reacting about Eloh's post and it was just a lazy vote so that he would be safe from being burned. Lazy playing, no reasoning, expecting others to do the work for him. This guy is bad.

Post 8: Disagrees with TH suggesting Luna vs Eloh is town v town with a dismissive "nah." again nothing to back it up, just a straight up no. There is no reasoning behind most anything this guy says and it's all negative talk.

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Post 9: asks for the flamethrower, disappears again

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Post 10: Answers my question of "who was vote #4 for me on Day 0" with "I voted you because of" The townslip theory DH put out at the very beginning of the day. Again, not his own idea but doesnt even reference DH as the one who originally said it. Trying to make it sound like he did work, when none was done. The vote for me however would appear true. [this sentence has been redacted for later use]

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Post 11:

Calling dibs on casing Elohcin.

Post 12:

Casing Elohcin.

more tunneling eloh because????????????? No one else shares this tunnel vision this guy has. I seriously hope his whole suspicion isn't built off of what he perceives as "overreacting." That would be Yikes.

Post 13:

Post 14:

This is nice and all, but what if someone came in late and every one he suspects as already been cased? That's not cool.

"This is nice, but here's how it's not" AKA More shade throwing. The whole point of the exercise is obvious, be active, make a case, and make it good. If you dont read the thread, then it sucks for you. Again, nothing this guy has said has been positive, only dismissal

Post 15: Asks DH if DH is participating. The purpose of the whole exercise is to build a case, i'm bring up what i put earlier, there's no point in the executioner to build a case when they can just kill they person they suspect most anyways. THE EXERCISE IS FOR SELLING A LYNCH TO THEM.

Post 16:

Hmm all right that's cool. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. Already placed my vote, I'll substantiate later when I come back.

No back talk finally? impressive. "i guess i'm lucky" being that he placed his vote on someone he thinks will be an easy case and disappears yet again. Who knows if he'll actually make a case since someone who doesnt even make a case will have priority over him to be lynched. Unless im mistaken in this?[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]

Spoiler: show

Anyway herein is the ranking for how I'll decide who to torch

- If someone presents a very compelling case against someone else
- If someone refuses to participate in the exercise
- If someone refuses to participate in the game.

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Nova is coasting through the game with no effort put forth and should be criticized for that. Nothing he has done has benefited anyone, He doesnt have a solid suspicion and literally just threw out a random town read. If he doesnt start actively trying to help the town, and stop being so negative. I can only assume he's mafia and dragging down the town morale. Sound familiar to anyone? Check MegaMan Mafia under user: DharmaHelper and user: novaselinever

Like always I'm open to discussion, replies, etc. In this instance it will only prove to strengthen my case, so bring it on.

[poutanko]

More than 10 hours and still no vote on Luna/DDL. Remembering they got the most votes last DP it's pretty weird to me that none of their voters pick them up again quickly. Wonder why?

Will talk about it after I'm done with my dinner.

[sprityo]

More than 10 hours and still no vote on Luna/DDL. Remembering they got the most votes last DP it's pretty weird to me that none of their voters pick them up again quickly. Wonder why?

Will talk about it after I'm done with my dinner.

Good point, why dont you do your case on them? or one of their voters?

[Turnip Head]

@Turnip Head
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Quin

Who did you vote for the flamethrower Day Zero? This is important

DharmaHelper

[sprityo]

@Turnip Head
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Quin

Who did you vote for the flamethrower Day Zero? This is important

DharmaHelper

thanks friend

[Quin]

@Turnip Head
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Quin

Who did you vote for the flamethrower Day Zero? This is important

INH. I didn't vote anyone last night.

[Lunalee]

Love your rule book DH. Why didn't we elect you Day one?

[Lunalee]

If no one's called it yet, I'll case poutanko today

[sprityo]

Love your rule book DH. Why didn't we elect you Day one?

Well then

[poutanko]

More than 10 hours and still no vote on Luna/DDL. Remembering they got the most votes last DP it's pretty weird to me that none of their voters pick them up again quickly. Wonder why?

Will talk about it after I'm done with my dinner.

Good point, why dont you do your case on them? or one of their voters?

Dude, you missed the 2nd part of my post
Have to cook now, bye ~

[Lunalee]

Love your rule book DH. Why didn't we elect you Day one?

Well then

No offense, sprit. You were invaluable to us. We couldn't have relieved ourselves of MacDougall with out you, bud.

[sprityo]

More than 10 hours and still no vote on Luna/DDL. Remembering they got the most votes last DP it's pretty weird to me that none of their voters pick them up again quickly. Wonder why?

Will talk about it after I'm done with my dinner.

Good point, why dont you do your case on them? or one of their voters?

Dude, you missed the 2nd part of my post
Have to cook now, bye ~

Bake me a cake to rival Elohcin's baking plz

[Lunalee]

More than 10 hours and still no vote on Luna/DDL. Remembering they got the most votes last DP it's pretty weird to me that none of their voters pick them up again quickly. Wonder why?

Will talk about it after I'm done with my dinner.

Good point, why dont you do your case on them? or one of their voters?

Dude, you missed the 2nd part of my post
Have to cook now, bye ~

poutanko! We can be casing buddies!

[sprityo]

Love your rule book DH. Why didn't we elect you Day one?

Well then

No offense, sprit. You were invaluable to us. We couldn't have relieved ourselves of MacDougall with out you, bud.

I feel like that shouldve been sarcastic orange but ok

[Lunalee]

Love your rule book DH. Why didn't we elect you Day one?

Well then

No offense, sprit. You were invaluable to us. We couldn't have relieved ourselves of MacDougall with out you, bud.

I feel like that shouldve been sarcastic orange but ok

LOL, sorry.

[Lunalee]

poutanko
here's one post I want to analyze first:

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

What's with this all caps post? I'm just saying you need to start poking earlier and I don't remember seeing you "poking" people around before your vote on Colin. You just dropped town read on Speedchuck, Dharma and me. Other than that you barely interact with other players. No need to yell like that or is it because you don't like me pointing that out? What's with this reaction?

My town play and scum play are very different. DDL and novase can tell you. It should be very easy to spot.

Poh goes after INH, who is not used to being questioned. His response shows that. (Love that she did this)
Poh's "town play and scum play are very different" She doesn't say how. And DDL and Nova (as far as I know) haven't said either. This could have been a great place to expound on meta, but she leaves it up to someone else. Could be consciously avoiding making mistakes here that could get herself caught if she's scum.

running out of time, but will come back to this later today. This is just my start.

[Lunalee]

poutanko
here's one post I want to analyze first:

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

What's with this all caps post? I'm just saying you need to start poking earlier and I don't remember seeing you "poking" people around before your vote on Colin. You just dropped town read on Speedchuck, Dharma and me. Other than that you barely interact with other players. No need to yell like that or is it because you don't like me pointing that out? What's with this reaction?

My town play and scum play are very different. DDL and novase can tell you. It should be very easy to spot.

Poh goes after INH, who is not used to being questioned. His response shows that. (Love that she did this)
Poh's "town play and scum play are very different" She doesn't say how. And DDL and Nova (as far as I know) haven't said either. This could have been a great place to expound on meta, but she leaves it up to someone else. Could be consciously avoiding making mistakes here that could get herself caught if she's scum.

running out of time, but will come back to this later today. This is just my start.

[novaselinenever]

Calling dibs on casing Elohcin.

I will ask again...why are you so hell-bent on me? You aren't even around here much and you wanna keep coming after me with no explanations. Stop being weird and get your head in the game.

Because I think you are bad. What does "you aren't even around here much" mean? Does that fact mean that I shouldn't have any scum read nor vote or go after anyone?

I'm also pretty sure I've been here as much as you have, if not more.

[poutanko]

poutanko
here's one post I want to analyze first:

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

What's with this all caps post? I'm just saying you need to start poking earlier and I don't remember seeing you "poking" people around before your vote on Colin. You just dropped town read on Speedchuck, Dharma and me. Other than that you barely interact with other players. No need to yell like that or is it because you don't like me pointing that out? What's with this reaction?

My town play and scum play are very different. DDL and novase can tell you. It should be very easy to spot.

Poh goes after INH, who is not used to being questioned. His response shows that. (Love that she did this)
Poh's "town play and scum play are very different" She doesn't say how. And DDL and Nova (as far as I know) haven't said either. This could have been a great place to expound on meta, but she leaves it up to someone else. Could be consciously avoiding making mistakes here that could get herself caught if she's scum.

running out of time, but will come back to this later today. This is just my start.

This is a rather lame start if you ask me. Did you expect me to know that INH is not used to being questioned on my 1st game? His response shows nothing but being overreacting in my eyes.
"I'm poking people around to get a feel"
"Dude, you should do it earlier"
"I'LL POKE ETC ETC"
...for real? is it necessary to react that much? All caps no less.

When I'm scum, people catch me quite easily (either it's because it's too obvious or not idk, I take that as yes it's that obvious since I often get D1 or D2 when I'm scum). As to how to read me? Hell if I know it myself on the specific. So yeah, ask DDL or novase if they can explain it

[poutanko]

Next is...
back to DDL/Lunalee voters
gimme few mins to type ~

[DharmaHelper]

Love your rule book DH. Why didn't we elect you Day one?

Cuz y'all buck ass wild.

[DharmaHelper]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] Excellent case. Parts of it I disagree with but overall well crafted and I don't like the laziness of Nova's D1 play, as you put it.

[DharmaHelper]

P.S

If Anyone's curious I said in the rules "You are required to vote for the person you case" What I did not say was "You are required to case the person you vote for"

As far as I'm concerned if you Vote-and-Scoot, you didn't participate in the exercise and you're not safe from the lynch.

[novaselinenever]

Hey guys...checking in. Not sure who I'll vote for yet.

I wanted to note, because the kill rotates among the assimilated, they will know how many of theme there are which is an advantage to them. This was probably very clear to everyone but I thought it was worth mentioning.

This is Eloh's first post. It reads like a carefully fabricated post. She's giving off information that even herself judge to be "probably clear to everyone". That's weird. Even then, the information itself (even if it were true) is so mundane that it doesn't bare repeating or noting. I'm not sure why she did that. The only motivation I'm seeing behind that is faking a "Townslip"

Ooo, smart. I didn't think it through enough. Maybe you can have my vote after all. Just lose the cocky attitude and be real, man.

"I didn't think it through enough" Sure

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
because he hasn't shown up yet, so why not?

And what if he ia civ? That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon. Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad. Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it

Here's her jumping on Luna for a random vote on MacDougall. This post just rubs me wrong. It's not because of what she's doing (calling someone out for a vote), but how she goes on about it. She's going way too hard on Luna and over-reacting on an early random vote. It reads fake and this is only reenforced by her later dealings with Luna and her scum read of her. She milked that vote of Luna's to get her a scum read on her.

The vote itself isn't great, but there is nothing wrong with a random vote especially when the reasons are given no matter how bad they are.

"What id he is a civ"? Doesn't make sense. It's a random vote. What if he isn't a civ?

"That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon"? Bolded " so soon ". No it isn't. Random vote early on are much better than random votes in the later stages of the day. That's a bad twist from Eloh.

"Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad" This is as if Luna with one measly vote on Mac has doomed lol. This doesn't make sense.

"Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it" We went from one random vote to Luna being bad and trying to get rid of people that she think are civ in two lines. Wow. This is such an opportunistic way to frame a random early vote. See that she's also excluding the simple fact that this could be a civ voting randomly. Strawman, false dilemma. You name it. It's here.

That "get rid of people you think could be civ" is a nice touch. It shows that she actually thought things through on the infected side of the game.

Is it normal for Lunalee to post something and then no continuation on whatever she posted before?

Not normally. And the weirder thing is that she came in right after you said that and began talking. And in her post, she says she voted Mac bc she didn't know who to vote for. I'm not sure I trust that or her.

What is weird about her coming in right after that?

"Not normally", "Weird". "Not sure I trust that of her". Going off on posts mentioning Luna and throwing some poo her way. Bad stuff.

Then luna votes me bc of DHs reasons. I'd be surprised if she is good. I'm voting for her.

This right here is false. Luna agreed with some points of DH's about you, and raised some points of her own. This goes on the list of you twisting Luna's posts and actions to enable you to scum read her.

"I'd be surprised if she is good" This is the first thing you say that I agree with lol. I'm sure you'd be.

Conclusion - I think Eloh is bad. I think her "townslip" has been fabricated. I think her case and suspicions on Luna are dishonest. I think she's doing exactly what she's accusing Luna of doing, that is, trying to get rid of someone she think could be civ.

[poutanko]

DDL voters: Dharma, Luna, Turnip, Colin
Luna voters: Eloh and Speed
6 people 'kay
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Dharma
Looking good so far. I can see why he chose to keep his opinion until later. Skip skip

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Luna
I'm yet to see if she has a focus or be more bold in anything. I don't think she's solid at all. Is it because she's really this timid or because she's scum trying to avoid confrontation as much as she could? Afraid of being held accountable if her vote target flips town?
>Voted Mac because dunno who she had to vote
>Voted Eloh because she agreed with Dharma
>Voted DDL after Eloh confronted her back saying Eloh might be town so she had to move it to someone else and chose DDL without explaining why it's him. "I really don't know who should get lynched today. Leaving my vote on DDL for now, and hoping sprityo has a better feel of the game and who's bad." this is what she said (sorry if I don't quote the post, my account have trouble with multiquote/opening multitabs/typing too long - got logged out often if I do that, you can ISO her posts). She kept saying she's confused about this and that. Her vote placements are weak. I barely see any pressure she put on any of her vote target. Those of you who town read her, care to explain this to me? Is she really this timid?

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Turnip
He's not timid like Luna but I'm not sure where his focus is.
>voted DDL last DP
>stole Jack from me this DP (and not yet building a case against him) why he chose to go after Jack this DP instead of DDL idk. He stated that he felt better about Luna more than DDL "tonally".

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Colin
...another one who said he felt better about Luna than DDL but where is his vote?
"I'm bad at mafia" oye
His game presence is ...thin, weak and forgettable. I barely remember what he said if not for ISO.

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Eloh
Went after Luna strongly last DP
"And what if he ia civ? That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon. Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad. Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it"
"Not normally. And the weirder thing is that she came in right after you said that and began talking. And in her post, she says she voted Mac bc she didn't know who to vote for. I'm not sure I trust that or her."
"Then luna votes me bc of DHs reasons. I'd be surprised if she is good. I'm voting for her."
"Sure does. I would be surprised if Luna was civ. Everything she says seems so bad"
...only to not vote nor build a case against her this DP
Those who town read her, mind explaining how you guys have those read?

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Speed
I like this dude but where is he this DP?

[poutanko]

O yea, I kept getting logged out every once in a while (even after checking the Remember Me box) so I can post but it takes a lot of time and patience to do it without me wanting to flip my PC so bear with me [img]

[ColinIsCool]

Today’s lynch is going to be brought to you by King Negan. Here are the rules:

Everyone will case ONE person today. Pick one person, and build a case against them. You are required to vote for the person you case. This is first come first served, meaning if someone gets cased/voted for, you can’t pick that person anymore. That’s all you have to do today to stay safe. Literally that’s it. Here are some things that will disqualify you from safety:

1. If you case someone that’s already been cased without casing someone new first, you will not be safe from the lynch
2. If you vote for someone who already has a vote, you will not be safe from the lynch
3. If you refuse to case someone you will not be safe from the lynch
4. If you do not vote, you will not be safe from the lynch.
5. If you follow the rules, but I like the case against you, you will not be safe from the lynch.
6. If you follow the rules and make 10 or more on topic and constructive posts that I like, rule 5 may be waived.

Deadline to complete this task is 4 hours before EOD. At that point everyone who isn’t safe will be placed under my microscope and I’ll fuck up whoever I suspect the most.

I more than likely will not be able to do any good casing on my own, I’m busy most of today. So ... burn me if you want I guess but it’ll be for naught if you’re town.

Does the non-kill point to an inactive scum?

[poutanko]

Other thing I'd like to talk is those who ask for flamethrower. Trying to sell yourself is okay, overdoing it is not. You guys still need to scumhunt so put a stop on your campaign when it's time to be more serious. @Quin I'm looking for you especially

[poutanko]

...why is my Quin tag not working?

[ColinIsCool]

dibs on Colin.

Will post case probably tomorrow at noon-ish.

Here is a good “no U” post: INH has been around the block with me enough to know that I’m always an easy railroad in early game and may be taking advantage of it. Eager for his case and whether it may CMV.

[poutanko]

Other thing I'd like to talk is those who ask for flamethrower. Trying to sell yourself is okay, overdoing it is not. You guys still need to scumhunt so put a stop on your campaign when it's time to be more serious. @Quin I'm looking for you especially

[mention]Quin[/mention]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Alright I have a mini-case on INH.

I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

Bandwagons and moving votes and shit doesn't matter as much in this set up. What matters most here is the strength behind individual votes and cases. Am I wrong?

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

Something about these posts feel a little bit on-the-fence to me. A lot of words describing how he's unsure about things ("seems to", "perhaps", "interesting but still fairly weak"). He is interested on DDL and Luna, who were some of the big's cases, but wasn't really putting his money on them, and instead attacked Colin for making a weaksauce case on Speed who he says he townread, but is willing to change later if Colin explains his case.

Ok this isn't huge but it pinged me a little. Feels like flowery language by a baddie trying to show work.

Well I'm up to play this minigame so I'm voting for him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

...why is my Quin tag not working?

Tags are weird you have to pet them a little for them to contribute.

[novaselinenever]

Case against Novaselinever

In this Essay case i will go through all 16 of novas' current posts are identify why he's bad.

I've broken up posts by times posted. Theyre all grouped in that they were made within a short time of eachother if theyre within the lines.

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Post 1: Day 0 fluff, does not participate in Day 0 discussion. Already setting a pattern of being absent and not interacting. Everyone waved this off in Megaman, but in reality Novas still read the thread and laid low until I (one of the only players to suspect them) had died. And SUDDENLY he appeared to have "returned."

That's a lie, and a pretty disgusting one at that. You could believe it though, if it makes you feel better about yourself.

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Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
because he hasn't shown up yet, so why not?

And what if he ia civ? That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon. Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad. Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it

It's just a vote though, and the only one on him. Over-reacting much?

Here he downplays Eloh's question to lunalee. Paints her in a bad light. No offering of a better opinion or solution. There was no reason to bring up the concept of it just being one vote. That didnt relate to what Eloh was saying at all. How I interpretted what eloh said was "that's a bad reason to vote him (and so soon into the day)" and that lunalee "should do some actual hunting."

So what novas did was not constructive, it served no purpose really other than to put out words into the thread and paint someone else who he probably feels is an easy target, as bad.

There was. She was using it to paint Luna in a bad light. "Give the guy a chance" highlights that. As if Luna's vote is dooming Mac from showing up or contributing. 1 vote isn't going to pressure someone. It did relate to what Eloh was saying and I interpreted Eloh's post as a way to frame Luna's vote and fabricate a scum read. If what she meant was "That's a bad reason to vote him and you should do some actual hunting" she could have gone another way about it without attacking her, and setting ground for her eventual scumread of Luna. The latter just strengthen my take on the post.

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Post 4:

Spoiler: show

My poor unfortunate soul voted for none other than the Head of Turnips

As an aside for mechanics involving the flamethrower, If there is a tie in the lynch poll i choose one of the people tied

or i just burn whoever i want.


I really need you guys to sell me on some lynches here

How about you sell us on some lynches? If you're intending on using the flamethrower in a democratic way (following the lynch poll), then this game shouldn't be any different of any other game where you would be trying to get the person you believe is bad lynched.

I had replied to this already but let me re-address it now. Novas asks me to give a reason to lynch someone else. Which is not how that works as DH is currently doing in a more practical sense. Our job as the people not with the flamethrower is to SELL THE EXECUTIONER on who to lynch. If we dont do that, then they can just do whatever they want. Now as DDL and TH have both pointed out, that isnt an excuse to have said executioner avoid discussion altogether. (my bad, oh well, go cry about it). The underlined is false because I never intended to use it democratically and didnt say as such. To wrap it up, this is lazy prompting without actually doing work themselves.

( I had my ultimatum laid out for everyone to see. And I was going to be judge jury and executioner in line with those rules. I want to state again, if im campaigning for someone to be lynched, why would i need to say it when I would be the one to just kill them anyways? This is why i left my choice in the lynch up to participation and numbers. )

The underlined isn't false, because I never said you did. I said "if" and I'm going off the aside mechanic in case everyone had shown up and voted, so not being in your hit list. I'm not sure how you aren't seeing that. On top of that, the underline is calling you out on how you went about it. Using the flame-thrower to avoid contribution, and setting up a dumb benchmark for a lynch.

Post 5: Votes Elohcin with no justification.

Nothing wrong with that.

Post 6: Says "DH is good" with no justification.

Nothing wrong with that.

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Post 7: Eloh asks Novas why he voted her (I would too because he didnt give a reason). To which Novas responds "I quoted something else from you earlier in a separate post that you have to go find and then figure out yourself what I'm thinking" essentially. He's referring to Post 2. Which boils down to he thinks Eloh is" Overreacting" to Lunalee's vote. There was nothing over-reacting about Eloh's post and it was just a lazy vote so that he would be safe from being burned. Lazy playing, no reasoning, expecting others to do the work for him. This guy is bad.

It wasn't lazy. I'm not bad.

Post 8: Disagrees with TH suggesting Luna vs Eloh is town v town with a dismissive "nah." again nothing to back it up, just a straight up no. There is no reasoning behind most anything this guy says and it's all negative talk.

I'm not dismissing anything. The "nah" is me disagreeing with his take. I can't disagree with something without it being negative talk? Wow. Lol

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Post 9: asks for the flamethrower, disappears again

If disappearing means logging off, and doing something else other than playing Mafia like you know some obligations or other hobbies. Then yes I disappeared.

If it's supposed to be a bad thing, then no and you could do better. A bad look Sprit.

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Post 10: Answers my question of "who was vote #4 for me on Day 0" with "I voted you because of" The townslip theory DH put out at the very beginning of the day. Again, not his own idea but doesnt even reference DH as the one who originally said it. Trying to make it sound like he did work, when none was done. The vote for me however would appear true. [this sentence has been redacted for later use]

Why would I have to reference DH? This is dumb. And it's even dumber to think there was work done. You're grasping at straws. Come one now! This doesn't make no sense.

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Post 11:

Calling dibs on casing Elohcin.

Post 12:

Casing Elohcin.

more tunneling eloh because????????????? No one else shares this tunnel vision this guy has. I seriously hope his whole suspicion isn't built off of what he perceives as "overreacting." That would be Yikes.

"No one else shares this tunnel vision this guy has" What does this even mean? We're supposed to all have the same scum-reads?

Post 13:

Post 14:

This is nice and all, but what if someone came in late and every one he suspects as already been cased? That's not cool.

"This is nice, but here's how it's not" AKA More shade throwing. The whole point of the exercise is obvious, be active, make a case, and make it good. If you dont read the thread, then it sucks for you. Again, nothing this guy has said has been positive, only dismissal

I don't think you are this daft, are you? The whole point of my post is that not everyone lives in the same time zone. People might come in later than others and it's not because "they don't read the thread". Jesus. Ain't that obvious?

Again, this is not dismissal lol.

Post 15: Asks DH if DH is participating. The purpose of the whole exercise is to build a case, i'm bring up what i put earlier, there's no point in the executioner to build a case when they can just kill they person they suspect most anyways. THE EXERCISE IS FOR SELLING A LYNCH TO THEM.

There is a point, so that they contribute and share their thoughts. Killing the person they suspect the most without having aired the suspicions and getting some thoughts on their case is just wrong. THE EXERCISE SHOULD NOT BE FOR THEM TO USE IT AS A WAY TO ABSOLVE THEM FROM CONTRIBUTING
Post 16:

Hmm all right that's cool. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. Already placed my vote, I'll substantiate later when I come back.

No back talk finally? impressive. "i guess i'm lucky" being that he placed his vote on someone he thinks will be an easy case and disappears yet again. Who knows if he'll actually make a case since someone who doesnt even make a case will have priority over him to be lynched. Unless im mistaken in this?@DharmaHelper

I did make a case

Spoiler: show

Anyway herein is the ranking for how I'll decide who to torch

- If someone presents a very compelling case against someone else
- If someone refuses to participate in the exercise
- If someone refuses to participate in the game.

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Nova is coasting through the game with no effort put forth and should be criticized for that. Nothing he has done has benefited anyone, He doesnt have a solid suspicion and literally just threw out a random town read. If he doesnt start actively trying to help the town, and stop being so negative. I can only assume he's mafia and dragging down the town morale. Sound familiar to anyone? Check MegaMan Mafia under user: DharmaHelper and user: novaselinever

Like always I'm open to discussion, replies, etc. In this instance it will only prove to strengthen my case, so bring it on.

Nice fanfic

You should have burned me then, why didn't you? Or you couldn't pass up on the opportunity of getting rid of Mac with an easy mislynch hiding behind "you don't vote, you get lynched"? As if that had ever bagged a baddie.

More responses are in green inside the quote.

[novaselinenever]

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Luna
I'm yet to see if she has a focus or be more bold in anything. I don't think she's solid at all. Is it because she's really this timid or because she's scum trying to avoid confrontation as much as she could? Afraid of being held accountable if her vote target flips town?
>Voted Mac because dunno who she had to vote
>Voted Eloh because she agreed with Dharma
>Voted DDL after Eloh confronted her back saying Eloh might be town so she had to move it to someone else and chose DDL without explaining why it's him. "I really don't know who should get lynched today. Leaving my vote on DDL for now, and hoping sprityo has a better feel of the game and who's bad." this is what she said (sorry if I don't quote the post, my account have trouble with multiquote/opening multitabs/typing too long - got logged out often if I do that, you can ISO her posts). She kept saying she's confused about this and that. Her vote placements are weak. I barely see any pressure she put on any of her vote target. Those of you who town read her, care to explain this to me? Is she really this timid?

Undecided on her for now. Some of her posts came of weird to me, but I'm also seeing stuff that I reconcile with her Town play. A lot of That said, I wouldn't say she's is timid, but she often says the first things that pop her and her toughts sometimes are unorganized. A lot of indecisiveness and flip flopping. So maybe that's where you're getting her lack of focus from. I scum-read her in previous games for similar reasons and she was Town.

[DharmaHelper]

I'm going to see a movie shortly, I'll be back well before EOD and EON(egan)

[poutanko]

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Luna
I'm yet to see if she has a focus or be more bold in anything. I don't think she's solid at all. Is it because she's really this timid or because she's scum trying to avoid confrontation as much as she could? Afraid of being held accountable if her vote target flips town?
>Voted Mac because dunno who she had to vote
>Voted Eloh because she agreed with Dharma
>Voted DDL after Eloh confronted her back saying Eloh might be town so she had to move it to someone else and chose DDL without explaining why it's him. "I really don't know who should get lynched today. Leaving my vote on DDL for now, and hoping sprityo has a better feel of the game and who's bad." this is what she said (sorry if I don't quote the post, my account have trouble with multiquote/opening multitabs/typing too long - got logged out often if I do that, you can ISO her posts). She kept saying she's confused about this and that. Her vote placements are weak. I barely see any pressure she put on any of her vote target. Those of you who town read her, care to explain this to me? Is she really this timid?

Undecided on her for now. Some of her posts came of weird to me, but I'm also seeing stuff that I reconcile with her Town play. A lot of That said, I wouldn't say she's is timid, but she often says the first things that pop her and her toughts sometimes are unorganized. A lot of indecisiveness and flip flopping. So maybe that's where you're getting her lack of focus from. I scum-read her in previous games for similar reasons and she was Town.

You can get my blessing on your read on Eloh, but I won't drop Luna that easily, thanks anyway

[poutanko]

It's 11:30 pm here, I can wait for another hour but bye after that. I need my beauty sleep

[novaselinenever]

It's 11:30 pm here, I can wait for another hour but bye after that. I need my beauty sleep

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

poutanko
here's one post I want to analyze first:

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

What's with this all caps post? I'm just saying you need to start poking earlier and I don't remember seeing you "poking" people around before your vote on Colin. You just dropped town read on Speedchuck, Dharma and me. Other than that you barely interact with other players. No need to yell like that or is it because you don't like me pointing that out? What's with this reaction?

My town play and scum play are very different. DDL and novase can tell you. It should be very easy to spot.

Poh goes after INH, who is not used to being questioned. His response shows that. (Love that she did this)
Poh's "town play and scum play are very different" She doesn't say how. And DDL and Nova (as far as I know) haven't said either. This could have been a great place to expound on meta, but she leaves it up to someone else. Could be consciously avoiding making mistakes here that could get herself caught if she's scum.

running out of time, but will come back to this later today. This is just my start.

This is a rather lame start if you ask me. Did you expect me to know that INH is not used to being questioned on my 1st game? His response shows nothing but being overreacting in my eyes.
"I'm poking people around to get a feel"
"Dude, you should do it earlier"
"I'LL POKE ETC ETC"
...for real? is it necessary to react that much? All caps no less.

When I'm scum, people catch me quite easily (either it's because it's too obvious or not idk, I take that as yes it's that obvious since I often get D1 or D2 when I'm scum). As to how to read me? Hell if I know it myself on the specific. So yeah, ask DDL or novase if they can explain it

I'm sorry Poutanko. This is a rather lame start. I thought DH wanted each person to build a case on someone showing why that person could be scum, then place their vote on them. So that's what I did. But honestly your posts don't look scummy to me. But I posted anyways to keep with the spirit of the game that DH set forth. I'll place my vote elsewhere and if I have time today, do an analysis saying why.

[poutanko]

Spoiler: show

poutanko
here's one post I want to analyze first:

Assuming Sprit keeps his word and kills a non-voter, and assuming Mac doesn’t show up at the 11th Hour, this lynch is a done deal. I think the cases against Luna and DDL are interesting but still fairly weak. I’m poking around based on gut and seeing what happens, basically. Developing a possible list of suspects and feeling people out.

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

What's with this all caps post? I'm just saying you need to start poking earlier and I don't remember seeing you "poking" people around before your vote on Colin. You just dropped town read on Speedchuck, Dharma and me. Other than that you barely interact with other players. No need to yell like that or is it because you don't like me pointing that out? What's with this reaction?

My town play and scum play are very different. DDL and novase can tell you. It should be very easy to spot.

Poh goes after INH, who is not used to being questioned. His response shows that. (Love that she did this)
Poh's "town play and scum play are very different" She doesn't say how. And DDL and Nova (as far as I know) haven't said either. This could have been a great place to expound on meta, but she leaves it up to someone else. Could be consciously avoiding making mistakes here that could get herself caught if she's scum.

running out of time, but will come back to this later today. This is just my start.

This is a rather lame start if you ask me. Did you expect me to know that INH is not used to being questioned on my 1st game? His response shows nothing but being overreacting in my eyes.
"I'm poking people around to get a feel"
"Dude, you should do it earlier"
"I'LL POKE ETC ETC"
...for real? is it necessary to react that much? All caps no less.

When I'm scum, people catch me quite easily (either it's because it's too obvious or not idk, I take that as yes it's that obvious since I often get D1 or D2 when I'm scum). As to how to read me? Hell if I know it myself on the specific. So yeah, ask DDL or novase if they can explain it

I'm sorry Poutanko. This is a rather lame start. I thought DH wanted each person to build a case on someone showing why that person could be scum, then place their vote on them. So that's what I did. But honestly your posts don't look scummy to me. But I posted anyways to keep with the spirit of the game that DH set forth. I'll place my vote elsewhere and if I have time today, do an analysis saying why.

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.........
you're joking, right?

[Lunalee]

Spoiler: show

poutanko
here's one post I want to analyze first:

...you should start poking people around a bit earlier if you want to feel people out. You barely poked anyone

I’LL POKE WHO I WANT HOW I WANT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

In your own words, what’s the difference between your civilian and scum game?

What's with this all caps post? I'm just saying you need to start poking earlier and I don't remember seeing you "poking" people around before your vote on Colin. You just dropped town read on Speedchuck, Dharma and me. Other than that you barely interact with other players. No need to yell like that or is it because you don't like me pointing that out? What's with this reaction?

My town play and scum play are very different. DDL and novase can tell you. It should be very easy to spot.

Poh goes after INH, who is not used to being questioned. His response shows that. (Love that she did this)
Poh's "town play and scum play are very different" She doesn't say how. And DDL and Nova (as far as I know) haven't said either. This could have been a great place to expound on meta, but she leaves it up to someone else. Could be consciously avoiding making mistakes here that could get herself caught if she's scum.

running out of time, but will come back to this later today. This is just my start.

This is a rather lame start if you ask me. Did you expect me to know that INH is not used to being questioned on my 1st game? His response shows nothing but being overreacting in my eyes.
"I'm poking people around to get a feel"
"Dude, you should do it earlier"
"I'LL POKE ETC ETC"
...for real? is it necessary to react that much? All caps no less.

When I'm scum, people catch me quite easily (either it's because it's too obvious or not idk, I take that as yes it's that obvious since I often get D1 or D2 when I'm scum). As to how to read me? Hell if I know it myself on the specific. So yeah, ask DDL or novase if they can explain it

I'm sorry Poutanko. This is a rather lame start. I thought DH wanted each person to build a case on someone showing why that person could be scum, then place their vote on them. So that's what I did. But honestly your posts don't look scummy to me. But I posted anyways to keep with the spirit of the game that DH set forth. I'll place my vote elsewhere and if I have time today, do an analysis saying why.

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you're joking, right?

um, no?

[Turnip Head]

Jackofhearts2005: A PowerPoint Presentation

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Turnip Head
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Quin

Who did you vote for the flamethrower Day Zero? This is important

I didn’t. I was also about 30 min late on N1 attempting to vote for Speed.

[Lunalee]

Jackofhearts2005: A PowerPoint Presentation

Ha! This is great!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005: A PowerPoint Presentation

[speedchuck]

I'm with Quin. Townreading:

speedchuck
Quin
Elohcin
sprityo
DharmaHelper

Dunno about:
ColinIsCool
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Lunalee
novaselinenever
poutanko
Turnip Head

Been busy but I'm ready to play today. Let me find someone to case.

[novaselinenever]

Jackofhearts2005: A PowerPoint Presentation

I am sold.

[speedchuck]

So mafia doesn't know each other (yet), which means a mafia with a flamethrower has no reason not to follow us. It also means D1 is harder than usual.

What does this even mean?

Oh I just realized self-voting is forbidden.

Hmm

random.org gave me Dr. Wilgy.

(Though I was RPGing that night too, it was fun)

So should we reveal who we nominated at Day 0?

This looks like a generation of discussion, but since scum are all indys (on D1 at least) the election votes don't mean much. Wary of the faux-discussion.

I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

Eh. The “Speed could be bad, wait, Speed could be good.” thing is annoying enough on a D1 where not much has happened and a DDL bandwagon seems to be leaving the station. Colin has been pushing weaksauce stuff against two people I’m kinda townreading rn: Speed and DH. I’ll put my vote on him for now, and perhaps move it if he elaborates on those feelings in a satisfactory way.

If you flip-flip more I might start thinik you are nutella in disguise.

INH did speak a bit too much about what he would do with his vote in certain cases, but he's pretty straightforward about his read and vote. Not only that, but he's scumreading a real flip-flopper. Feels like an ingenuine suspicion. (The post before this one was a Luna suspicion, which was a bit easy, but possibly genuine.)

Sprityo looks worse after this day. It's one thing to murder an inactive day 1, it's another to use that as an excuse to avoid scumhunting them posting a bunch of salad after you execute said inactive.

On the one hand, agreed. On the other hand, what does Sprityo gain by doing this? Also this is piggybacking off someone else's suspicion. He continues to hammer down on this. It's an easy gripe to let fester.

His INH case isn't great.

I have no reason to think DDL is town, but the scum pings arten't that strong. I'll see if ColinIsCool gives me a better case, but I'm voting here for now so nobody can steal it.