Cards Against Humanity [GAME OVER]

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What's fun until it gets weird?

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Trying to murder someone and failing. Repeatedly. Super awkward. (Host/deads/nons)
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [Day 0]

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Melissa Auf der Maur was my 90s celebrity crush (or was it the early 2000s when she jumped into Smashing Pumpkins? icr)

Oh, and Neve Campbell too. But who didn't love Neve Campbell back then? :)
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Hedgeowl wrote:Host- is there a Card czar selected Day 0 or will that be you this round? In future rounds when we do know the Card Czar's identity we are trying to select what they would think funny yes?
Me this round. Yes, the best strategy is to go with what you think any given Czar will find funniest (imo).
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Epignosis wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Try to get awesome points so you can lock into a cool role otherwise the roles switch each night. That's what I'm going with.
Is that what the kids are calling them now? :p

I remember they used to call them "cool points." If you did something awkward or stupid, they'd say, "Gimmie 10 cool points, bro."

Ah, the 90s. :blush:
All you really have to remember is that the points don't matter. :p
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Are we allowed to be tastefully offensive without using cards? :P
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90s bad! 80s good! Derail!

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DharmaHelper wrote:Are we allowed to be tastefully offensive without using cards? :P
As long as one person finds it funny and one person finds it utterly disrespectful I think.
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [Day 0]

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
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Sorsha wrote:Try to get awesome points so you can lock into a cool role otherwise the roles switch each night. That's what I'm going with.
Is that what the kids are calling them now? :p

I remember they used to call them "cool points." If you did something awkward or stupid, they'd say, "Gimmie 10 cool points, bro."

Ah, the 90s. :blush:
All you really have to remember is that the points don't matter. :p
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thellama73 wrote:If that's going to be your host color, I'm going to have to switch back to the black color scheme.
I switch back and forth all the time due to this, in one game they were posting in freaking yellow, lol. Thats why the invisitext thing they had going on in the other game was so funny, it was totally visible in the prosilver scheme ha ha.

And i have not done 3 games at once in a looooong time, so I will try to wrap my head around this one in the AM when i am fresh and caffeinated. I have never played this game, and even without that boo games are intensely complex :lorab:
Well, this is the one thing that has caught my attention right now.
Its just something about the way you kind of make an excuse, I am not saying it is unreasonable to wait until the morning but the fact that you add how you have not done 3 games in a long time pings me. I just don't know if that's necessary, or if it is more of a way to say: "don't expect too much out of me".
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SVS is always bad....always.
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kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:If that's going to be your host color, I'm going to have to switch back to the black color scheme.
I switch back and forth all the time due to this, in one game they were posting in freaking yellow, lol. Thats why the invisitext thing they had going on in the other game was so funny, it was totally visible in the prosilver scheme ha ha.

And i have not done 3 games at once in a looooong time, so I will try to wrap my head around this one in the AM when i am fresh and caffeinated. I have never played this game, and even without that boo games are intensely complex :lorab:
Well, this is the one thing that has caught my attention right now.
Its just something about the way you kind of make an excuse, I am not saying it is unreasonable to wait until the morning but the fact that you add how you have not done 3 games in a long time pings me. I just don't know if that's necessary, or if it is more of a way to say: "don't expect too much out of me".
The fact that you immediately jump to suspicions is pretty suspicious to me. Also you post in blue. I don't trust the color blue. It's a very devious color.
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Blue. B-L-U-E 4 letters but two vowels what the fuck.

What kind of fucked up satanic twisted psycho bitch word has 50% vowels. That's demonic shit right there and I does NOT fucks with no demons.
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kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:If that's going to be your host color, I'm going to have to switch back to the black color scheme.
I switch back and forth all the time due to this, in one game they were posting in freaking yellow, lol. Thats why the invisitext thing they had going on in the other game was so funny, it was totally visible in the prosilver scheme ha ha.

And i have not done 3 games at once in a looooong time, so I will try to wrap my head around this one in the AM when i am fresh and caffeinated. I have never played this game, and even without that boo games are intensely complex :lorab:
Well, this is the one thing that has caught my attention right now.
Its just something about the way you kind of make an excuse, I am not saying it is unreasonable to wait until the morning but the fact that you add how you have not done 3 games in a long time pings me. I just don't know if that's necessary, or if it is more of a way to say: "don't expect too much out of me".
The fact that you immediately jump to suspicions is pretty suspicious to me. Also you post in blue. I don't trust the color blue. It's a very devious color.
So would you prefer I just keep quiet then?
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DharmaHelper wrote:Blue. B-L-U-E 4 letters but two vowels what the fuck.

What kind of fucked up satanic twisted psycho bitch word has 50% vowels. That's demonic shit right there and I does NOT fucks with no demons.
Our lovely host's screenname is somewhere around 66.6% vowels. :omg:
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Mister Rearranger wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Blue. B-L-U-E 4 letters but two vowels what the fuck.

What kind of fucked up satanic twisted psycho bitch word has 50% vowels. That's demonic shit right there and I does NOT fucks with no demons.
Our lovely host's screenname is somewhere around 66.6% vowels. :omg:
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kneel4justice wrote:
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kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:If that's going to be your host color, I'm going to have to switch back to the black color scheme.
I switch back and forth all the time due to this, in one game they were posting in freaking yellow, lol. Thats why the invisitext thing they had going on in the other game was so funny, it was totally visible in the prosilver scheme ha ha.

And i have not done 3 games at once in a looooong time, so I will try to wrap my head around this one in the AM when i am fresh and caffeinated. I have never played this game, and even without that boo games are intensely complex :lorab:
Well, this is the one thing that has caught my attention right now.
Its just something about the way you kind of make an excuse, I am not saying it is unreasonable to wait until the morning but the fact that you add how you have not done 3 games in a long time pings me. I just don't know if that's necessary, or if it is more of a way to say: "don't expect too much out of me".
The fact that you immediately jump to suspicions is pretty suspicious to me. Also you post in blue. I don't trust the color blue. It's a very devious color.
So would you prefer I just keep quiet then?
Yes, let's all just keep quiet, shall we? This can be a nice low-key game.
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I don't want to live in that universe.
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thellama73 wrote:90s bad! 80s good! Derail!

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DharmaHelper wrote:Blue. B-L-U-E 4 letters but two vowels what the fuck.

What kind of fucked up satanic twisted psycho bitch word has 50% vowels. That's demonic shit right there and I does NOT fucks with no demons.
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What about the word "queue", amirite ladies?
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Blue. B-L-U-E 4 letters but two vowels what the fuck.

What kind of fucked up satanic twisted psycho bitch word has 50% vowels. That's demonic shit right there and I does NOT fucks with no demons.
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this is getting out of hand.
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thellama73 wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm still on chapter 17 of the instructions.
I just realized the downside of this format is that we can't all sit around a table having boo read the instructions to us, while some pay attention, some zone out when they get it, others just figure it out as the games starts, and the rest never quite figure it all out, but still manage to win somehow. XD
Well, since I'm not reading any of the host posts, this should be interesting. :llama:
I just mark the whole thing with the cursor so background turns blue and I can then read it.
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Best conversation to wake up to. Let's find more ways to drive DH insane! :fishslap: How do you feel about the word syzygy, DH?
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kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:If that's going to be your host color, I'm going to have to switch back to the black color scheme.
I switch back and forth all the time due to this, in one game they were posting in freaking yellow, lol. Thats why the invisitext thing they had going on in the other game was so funny, it was totally visible in the prosilver scheme ha ha.

And i have not done 3 games at once in a looooong time, so I will try to wrap my head around this one in the AM when i am fresh and caffeinated. I have never played this game, and even without that boo games are intensely complex :lorab:
Well, this is the one thing that has caught my attention right now.
Its just something about the way you kind of make an excuse, I am not saying it is unreasonable to wait until the morning but the fact that you add how you have not done 3 games in a long time pings me. I just don't know if that's necessary, or if it is more of a way to say: "don't expect too much out of me".
The fact that you immediately jump to suspicions is pretty suspicious to me. Also you post in blue. I don't trust the color blue. It's a very devious color.
That's just how they play where he plays, they come out of the gate swinging at trivia, stuff we would call mud slinging. As for the blue, it was jarring for me at first too as it is supposed to be reserved for non player posts, but meh. The players use personsl colors where they play, and perhaps people felt rude pointing out that here color posting is only used in game related ways. I figure so long as it is not green or red I am good.

And K4J, have you read the mechanics, the roles, the rules? Hella complex, eh? Boos games always are and one needs to read and understand them well, because in boo games, ignorance is death. Personally I would prefer to read them when I am under the influence of 8 hours of sleep and a nice cuppa coffee than the influence of a glass of wine and cottage pie, Lol. And three games IS hard to manage, ask anyone who has done it.

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S~V~S wrote:Boos games always are and one needs to read and understand them well, because in boo games, ignorance is death.
:huh: Is that why everyone seems to care so much whether I read the host posts? I guess I should be flattered thta you don't want my ignorance to result in my death. :)
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Um yeah. He does not write posts just for storytelling. I have played most of his games, i was on break during Viral One, and i have won a few. I LOVE boos games, but they are intense and require attention and concentration. Not easy when you don't read the posts, lol.

Just be glad he did not do the Mechanics posts in aqua lol.
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I usually die in Boo games, so I guess I'm pretty ignorant. :p :derp:
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First of all, glad you're playing, K4J :D I can't handle these nut cases alone :sigh:
And you people leave his blue font alone. He's been doing it for ages. He likes standing out :p

SVS, since you said it is crucial to pay attention to stories, what did you take out of the first one?
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It's a metaphorical explanation of how the Card Czar role in particular works, and how the game in general works, an explanation of how this game works irl for those who have never played it. Like me. It explains the basic way it works, and how it may transition into an online Mafia style version

At least thats how I read it.

i also made a big point of it as i would like Llama to CONCEDE that i may have said something he could AGREE with for once in our lives. yeah, theres that too :)
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i also made a big point of it as i would like Llama to CONCEDE that i may have said something he could AGREE with for once in our lives. yeah, theres that too :)
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FZ. wrote:First of all, glad you're playing, K4J :D I can't handle these nut cases alone :sigh:
And you people leave his blue font alone. He's been doing it for ages. He likes standing out :p
i forgot to reply to this part.

I know, that is why I think no one said anything. Here that color is reserved for non players, basically a fluff color, so he does run the risk of not having his posts read by people who have never played at this site before. The see that color and breeze right past it, which I would guess is the opposite of what K4J wants people to do with his posts.

Just a culture thing, not an important one.
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S~V~S wrote: i also made a big point of it as i would like Llama to CONCEDE that i may have said something he could AGREE with for once in our lives. yeah, theres that too :)
Keep dreaming, S~V~S. :haha:
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Also, not a fan of crap. Carp Mafia, maybe, i like fishies. Crap, no.
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S~V~S wrote: That's just how they play where he plays, they come out of the gate swinging at trivia, stuff we would call mud slinging. As for the blue, it was jarring for me at first too as it is supposed to be reserved for non player posts, but meh. The players use personsl colors where they play, and perhaps people felt rude pointing out that here color posting is only used in game related ways. I figure so long as it is not green or red I am good.

And K4J, have you read the mechanics, the roles, the rules? Hella complex, eh? Boos games always are and one needs to read and understand them well, because in boo games, ignorance is death. Personally I would prefer to read them when I am under the influence of 8 hours of sleep and a nice cuppa coffee than the influence of a glass of wine and cottage pie, Lol. And three games IS hard to manage, ask anyone who has done it.

Linki~ that word is beautiful :lorab:

I did not know that blue was anything, I thought only orange/red/green were things. If it is trouble for anyone that I am posting in this color, then I will certainly stop. Just let me know, okay? :)

Anyways, the game does look complex, I wasn't arguing with that statement or the fact that 3 games is a lot. It seems you're missing my point. My point was that it was coming across more of an excuse to me. Although, I feel a little better knowing it was about the set-up, as I at first took it as just getting into the game in general.
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [Day 0]

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what about Carp crap mafia
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [SETTING UP]

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kneel4justice wrote:
S~V~S wrote: That's just how they play where he plays, they come out of the gate swinging at trivia, stuff we would call mud slinging. As for the blue, it was jarring for me at first too as it is supposed to be reserved for non player posts, but meh. The players use personsl colors where they play, and perhaps people felt rude pointing out that here color posting is only used in game related ways. I figure so long as it is not green or red I am good.

And K4J, have you read the mechanics, the roles, the rules? Hella complex, eh? Boos games always are and one needs to read and understand them well, because in boo games, ignorance is death. Personally I would prefer to read them when I am under the influence of 8 hours of sleep and a nice cuppa coffee than the influence of a glass of wine and cottage pie, Lol. And three games IS hard to manage, ask anyone who has done it.

Linki~ that word is beautiful :lorab:

I did not know that blue was anything, I thought only orange/red/green were things. If it is trouble for anyone that I am posting in this color, then I will certainly stop. Just let me know, okay? :)

Anyways, the game does look complex, I wasn't arguing with that statement or the fact that 3 games is a lot. It seems you're missing my point. My point was that it was coming across more of an excuse to me. Although, I feel a little better knowing it was about the set-up, as I at first took it as just getting into the game in general.
Not a problem, Mp would have said something (or told me to say something, lol) if it was. It is the non player colr, and you run the risk of having posts not read by people who don't know you. It's cool :martini:

I only said it as someone (INH, I believe) said they found it suspicious.

And, no, I got your point. Which is why i explained it literally, it is a real thing for me, not an excuse. I would have problems being a low poster, lol. Ask anyone who knows me. I never shut up. :haha:
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [Day 0]

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S~V~S wrote:It's a metaphorical explanation of how the Card Czar role in particular works, and how the game in general works, an explanation of how this game works irl for those who have never played it. Like me. It explains the basic way it works, and how it may transition into an online Mafia style version

At least thats how I read it.

i also made a big point of it as i would like Llama to CONCEDE that i may have said something he could AGREE with for once in our lives. yeah, theres that too :)
I didn't really mean for you to answer my question. You were just asking for it, but thanks for the explanation :srsnod:

And you seem keen to get llama to agree with you :ponder:
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FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote: And you seem keen to get llama to agree with you :ponder:
My approval is apparently a valued commodity around here.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote:It's a metaphorical explanation of how the Card Czar role in particular works, and how the game in general works, an explanation of how this game works irl for those who have never played it. Like me. It explains the basic way it works, and how it may transition into an online Mafia style version

At least thats how I read it.

i also made a big point of it as i would like Llama to CONCEDE that i may have said something he could AGREE with for once in our lives. yeah, theres that too :)
I didn't really mean for you to answer my question. You were just asking for it, but thanks for the explanation :srsnod:

And you seem keen to get llama to agree with you :ponder:
Um, we have a reputation for...spirited disagrement :haha:

And if you ask a question, you should expect answers. What was it that i was asking for?
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [Day 0]

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S~V~S wrote: And if you ask a question, you should expect answers. What was it that i was asking for?
Answers!
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote: And you seem keen to get llama to agree with you :ponder:
My approval is apparently a valued commodity around here.
I'll keep it in mind and do my best to get it.
S~V~S wrote:
FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote:It's a metaphorical explanation of how the Card Czar role in particular works, and how the game in general works, an explanation of how this game works irl for those who have never played it. Like me. It explains the basic way it works, and how it may transition into an online Mafia style version

At least thats how I read it.

i also made a big point of it as i would like Llama to CONCEDE that i may have said something he could AGREE with for once in our lives. yeah, theres that too :)
I didn't really mean for you to answer my question. You were just asking for it, but thanks for the explanation :srsnod:

And you seem keen to get llama to agree with you :ponder:
Um, we have a reputation for...spirited disagrement :haha:

And if you ask a question, you should expect answers. What was it that i was asking for?
Maybe I was wrong, maybe you're not looking for his approval but rather trying to distance yourself from him ...

And you just said that every story is really important and you can't miss a word. Just wanted to make sure you actually stood behind what you said. Glad to know you did :p
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Actually it is just playful banter, we do ALOT of that around here, we have not, and never will discourage fluff.
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FZ. wrote: Maybe I was wrong, maybe you're not looking for his approval but rather trying to distance yourself from him ...
S~V~S, FZ thinks we're on a team! Isn't that funny? I don't think we've ever been a team, have we?
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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Re: Cards Against Humanity [Day 0]

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Wait, FZ, are you being serious about them possibly distancing themselves?
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S~V~S wrote:Actually it is just playful banter, we do ALOT of that around here, we have not, and never will discourage fluff.
I know. I'm just teasing you. Don't take me seriously...or do. ;) I'm in a weird mood. Ignore me

@linki: no, Kitty. It was a joke. But it doesn't mean they can't be.

Does SVS always regard everything at face value?
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FZ. wrote: Does SVS always regard everything at face value?
Yes, that's why she gets upset f you don't use sarcastic orange or smilies to signal your intentions. I, on the other hand, have a sense of humor.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.

I don't want to live in that universe.
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:p

Do too have one, I laugh a lot and so do those who know me well~ but I have been lynched SO MANY TIMES for blowing off a question i thought was a joke, lol. For me suspicions are srs bsns, and if someone asks me a question i do them the courtesy of assuming they are serious.
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thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote: Does SVS always regard everything at face value?
Yes, that's why she gets upset f you don't use sarcastic orange or smilies to signal your intentions. I, on the other hand, have a sense of humor.
A sense of humor, and popular. You must be one hell of a catch
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Now see, i would have put that in sarcastic orange :nod:


FZ says:A sense of humor, and popular. You must be one hell of a catch[/quote]

Fixed :fiesta:
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S~V~S wrote::p

Do too have one, I laugh a lot and so do those who know me well~ but I have been lynched SO MANY TIMES for blowing off a question i thought was a joke, lol. For me suspicions are srs bsns, and if someone asks me a question i do them the courtesy of assuming they are serious.
You and K4J would make quite a pair :p
I'll keep it in mind. I agree that suspicions are serious business, and if you don't contribute, why bother playing. That said, sarcasm is a serious business too :srsnod:


@linki: That would paint most of the thread orange. By the way, is that how you do the linki, or is there an actual feature for that?
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