Hogwarts Mafia - END

[Quin]

no thanks

This really would help me a great deal. I don't mean to be a bossy ass. Please humor me.

I can't do the in-depth kind of stuff you need right now. I'm starting a new journal article and writing my masters application today.

If you want a GTH mafia team:

nova
INH
Long Con
speedchuck
Colin

lol

who shit in your cornflakes this morning?

[Quin]

sorry that sounded so much harsher than i meant it to be

[Sloonei]

bad
good
good
good

Please build me a full mafia team compatible with these reads.

no thanks

........why not


you and sloonei are bad

Let’s not besmirch my good name here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

[Quin]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

[Sloonei]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

[Quin]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

[Sloonei]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

Because I might be bad.

[Quin]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

Because I might be bad.

You could also be good.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You could also be good.

Why do you trust him?

[Sloonei]

Quin, would you be able to throw together a six-player POE list?

speed's alignment would change things a fair bit. So have two.

If speed is bad:
colin
nutella
jack
DH
sprityo
DH

If speed is good:
colin
jack
DH
sprityo
kara
pout

Why am I not here?

Why would you be on there?

Because I might be bad.

You could also be good.

You apparently think I am. Why?

[Quin]

You could also be good.

Why do you trust him?

He's just not on my PoE.

[Quin]

not playing 20 questions about why i couldn't put everyone inside a 6 person PoE pool, thank you very much.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

not playing 20 questions about why i couldn't put everyone inside a 6 person PoE pool, thank you very much.

It's a necessary chore if I am going to have any chance of believing that your pool isn't fake. I don't know what it is about Owner and/or Sloonei which makes you feel better about him than those you included in your pools.

[Sloonei]

not playing 20 questions about why i couldn't put everyone inside a 6 person PoE pool, thank you very much.

It’s just the one question actually.

[karavalenge]

I already gave my reasoning for diricawl.

I want to die because my continued presence is not a help to the serious players. I assumed someone would kill Speedchuck last night, who I still believe to be Town regardless of a Cop call when there were over 20 spells flung around night 1.

The floo powder today was because I found his information intriguing and believed him. If you think that using floo on a called out scum and then admitting it is a scummy thing to do, you must think I'm extremely dumb.

I'm not, I just stopped caring 60 pages ago.

[karavalenge]

Also, I wanted to see if the diricawl would cause someone to fake a call against Speed, and it didn't happen. My Night 3 did nothing, just like my Nights 1 and 2.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I want to die because my continued presence is not a help to the serious players.

Untrue! We're all just pretending we know what we're doing. Everyone has unique insight to offer, especially newcomers like yourself who aren't going to blinded by preconceptions about how people are "supposed" to behave.

[karavalenge]

Honestly I think Quin is scum for focusing on my part too hard and I think Speed is scum for focusing on his investigation too hard and I think Jay and Pou are scum for believing Pou's one Maf call too hard.

You're all too trusting, it sickens me

[karavalenge]

Anyways, my nights and day actions were all wasted, so don't bother reading into it.

I know who Speed claims also approached Long Con, which may be useful info in the future, or we both die and the rest of you can suck it for being jerks

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Honestly I think Quin is scum for focusing on my part too hard and I think Speed is scum for focusing on his investigation too hard and I think Jay and Pou are scum for believing Pou's one Maf call too hard.

You're all too trusting, it sickens me

Do you think anyone looks particularly good?

[karavalenge]

Or Speed dies and is a maf, in which case, I'm literally the worst townie you have.

[karavalenge]

Honestly I think Quin is scum for focusing on my part too hard and I think Speed is scum for focusing on his investigation too hard and I think Jay and Pou are scum for believing Pou's one Maf call too hard.

You're all too trusting, it sickens me

Do you think anyone looks particularly good?

Right now I'm willing to trust nutella, Colin, and MacDougall.

I also don't think there's actually as many Scum alive as I'm making it out to be, obviously. I imagine there's 2 or 3 besides INH.

[karavalenge]

I'd also say Luna is in the middle, like me. Not being particularly helpful and also not bringing attention

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Right now I'm willing to trust nutella, Colin, and MacDougall.

Thanks. Could you briefly describe what it is about those players that gives you confidence?

[karavalenge]

Right now I'm willing to trust nutella, Colin, and MacDougall.

Thanks. Could you briefly describe what it is about those players that gives you confidence?

They're trying to understand what has been going on clearly and without pointing blame all over the place.

Basically, everyone who's "yelling" at each other looks really bad. The people who aren't pointing fingers or getting fingers pointed at look good.

Besides Colin. I dunno, I just felt like the wagon against him yesterday was really fake.

[karavalenge]

Again, don't take what I say too seriously. I know you just want more info and insight, but I'm definitely not reading everything and making really biased judgments based on how people act.

[speedchuck]

If I'm right and Quin is bad, that means the other visitor was prolly a town vig with the elder wand.

Who thinks it's a good idea for me to share that info publicly? Answer me, you who have been pooh-poohing my ??? person.

I'm going to bed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Again, don't take what I say too seriously. I know you just want more info and insight, but I'm definitely not reading everything and making really biased judgments based on how people act.

The most important thing that these conversations with you help me to do is solidify my read on you, which is very important. You're one of the players remaining on whom the game may end up hinging, because many others aren't sure exactly how to judge your alignment. The closer we come to figuring you out with confidence, the closer we are to solving the whole game.

I think you sound genuine at least, and that means something.

[Sloonei]

Looking at the timeline of claims this day phase:

Hey so why did the Mafia not kill Timmer?

Real question is: Why did Timmer not kill Long Con?

Speedchuck hints at inside knowledge in his first post of the day, ~45 minutes in.

Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

States it more clearly in his next post, though he still hasn't declared whether he tracked or watched here. I don't remember if there even is any sort of tracking ability in this game, so this may not matter. But Quin's asking.

Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.

Timmer confirms speedchuck's assertion that he (timmer) did not kill Long Con. This would at least seem to suggest that speedchuck did in fact have access to some sort of information about timmer and/or Long Con.

Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.

god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

And then along comes Quin's patronus claim. Looking at it in sequence, this claim seems to have the least going for it, but it also seems like the least sensible lie in the bunch. If Quin is scum and lying here, I see no advantage gained here. Sure he can sow confusion, but in doing so he paints a giant target on his back. The urgency of his questions leading up to this also seem to suggest that he was sitting on some sort of information himself.

Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.

god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did

well i know what you did and you know what i did so i reckon nah

Quin resists giving the full details of his night action for a little while. This is not a great look.

harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions

WHO DID YOU TARGET

timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me

He finally comes out with it. I haven't commented on my involvement here yet, so I suppose I should say as much as I can here: I have no way of knowing whether or not Quin actually targeted me last night. As for the optics of this claim, it is concerning that it took him so long to get it out. One could speculate that he was weighing his options and trying to come up with the proper lie.

Pretty sure Quin is town.

I'm waiting until EOD to vote for INH tho.

Speedchuck said this in the immediate aftermath of the claim shenanigans. Interesting.

this only raises more questions

Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.

what's screwy about my night action?

You somehow visited LC.

You weren't the only one.

The full claim.

This is messy. On the one hand, Quin's story is less believable and can't be verified by anybody at the moment. On the other, I don't really see what he gains by making any of this up.
And while speedchuck's claim seems to add up, at least as far as timmer is concerned, we also have to deal with [url-http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 17#p493717]poutanko[/url] allegedly IDing Bullzeye/Speedchuck as bad. So there's no clear answer either way here.

Another important factor in all of this is INH's resurrection. Do we think that was an accident, or something the Death Eaters actively conspired toward? If the latter, then they'd be basing their entire strategy for the day around it. The potential for bold and wacky lies would be greater in that case. Speedchuck's claim seems more calculated than Quin's.
If the former, and they were as surprised as the rest of us to see INH back among the living today, then they'd have to improvise their plans for the day. Quin's claim seems like the more improvised of the two.

Juliets claims to have attempted to resurrect Turnip Head last night, but Turnip Head is certifiably not resurrected. Instead we have INH. The presence of [SECRETS] makes it difficult to speculate on what might have happened, but it's unclear from the visible abilities whether or not they could have knowingly redirected a resurrection onto one of their dead partners. It's possible they had a more general redirection which was used on Juliets, and because her ability was targeting a dead player, the pool of potential target changes shifted the dead roster, and INH's name happened to be plucked from there. In any event, what we know is that Juliets' claimed night action did not happen, but that the same action was carried out on a different player who happens to be bad.

All of this is to say that we have a lot of variables and unknowns and this is confusing so it's a good thing we have a confirmed scum to default to today or else we'd all have died of confusion by now. Someone please help.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I'm right and Quin is bad, that means the other visitor was prolly a town vig with the elder wand.

Who thinks it's a good idea for me to share that info publicly? Answer me, you who have been pooh-poohing my ??? person.

I'm going to bed.

No need right now. All that can provide is some corroboration with your claims, but not enough that it'll sort out the entire web of nonsense comprising your combat with Quin. If ??? is real person and is a vigilante and/or has a hallow, their name is best kept secret.

[Sloonei]

If I'm right and Quin is bad, that means the other visitor was prolly a town vig with the elder wand.

Who thinks it's a good idea for me to share that info publicly? Answer me, you who have been pooh-poohing my ??? person.

I'm going to bed.

Depends how much you trust kara.

[karavalenge]

I do think that Speed continuing to hide the identity of person 2 rather than outing them when they had the chance, especially considering that he gave me a name in private does lend credence to his townity. It'd be the impressive long con otherwise.

[Sloonei]

The two somewhat answerable questions I have coming out of my look at the claims are: 1) What does scum Quin gain by lying about using a patronus on me and timmer?
2) Is there any possible scenario where both speedchuck and Quin are telling the truth?

The unanswerable question is whether or not scum knew INH was coming back.

[karavalenge]

The two somewhat answerable questions I have coming out of my look at the claims are: 1) What does scum Quin gain by lying about using a patronus on me and timmer?
2) Is there any possible scenario where both speedchuck and Quin are telling the truth?

The unanswerable question is whether or not scum knew INH was coming back.

2:
Scenario where literally everyone has Diricawls because DDL wants us to suffer

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My guesses:

Mechanically, it's possible that they're both civilians. There are countless moving parts. Do I think that's the situation? No. Their behavior speaks to me more than their action discrepancies, and I don't think it looks like friendly fire.

[Quin]

I didn't give my full action because I was hesitant about giving out information that wasn't relevant. I went through this already when discussing timmer's Night 1. There was no reason that I should have had to mention Sloonei besides his pestering.

[Quin]

his being speedchuck

[Sloonei]

I didn't give my full action because I was hesitant about giving out information that wasn't relevant. I went through this already when discussing timmer's Night 1. There was no reason that I should have had to mention Sloonei besides his pestering.

Does naming me hurt in any way?

[Quin]

I didn't give my full action because I was hesitant about giving out information that wasn't relevant. I went through this already when discussing timmer's Night 1. There was no reason that I should have had to mention Sloonei besides his pestering.

Does naming me hurt in any way?

Yes. If I say nothing and contradictory information comes out then I've potentially caught scum in a lie.

Do not ask me what kind of information could come out, I beg you.

[Sloonei]

What kind of information could come out?

Spoiler: show

Don’t answer that

[timmer]

My cat's breath smells like ass.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My cat's breath smells like ass.

That's rough, my man. That's rough.

[nutella]

My cat's breath smells like ass.

The goldfinch has landed on the balcony, I repeat, the goldfinch has landed on the balcony

[nutella]

Bravo November Kilo Hotel Sierra

[nutella]

9673815270AQ4STN6

[nutella]

Alohomora

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It seems nutella is also baked.

[nutella]

Is there gonna be hell to pay on another night far away?
I dig my heels in
(Is there gonna be hell to pay? is there gonna be hell to pay?)
Is there gonna be hell to pay on another night far away?
I dig my heels in
(is there gonna be hell to pay? is there gonna be hell to pay?)

Drinking out on the fire escape
I remember you looked my way
When my senses begin to fade
I’ll remember you looked my way

[nutella]

It seems nutella is also baked.