The Addams Family Mafia [ENDGAME]

[speedchuck]

I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!

This is the worst DDL vote I believe

What's my scum thought process in choosing to vote DDL, Nova?

I know these posts look bad with a lack of context. But with the particular timing being what it is, what do you see in there?

[MacDougall]

I gave sabie a one shot lie detection. Yes it's awfully convenient. C'est la vie. I thought she was under the radar enough to avoid being shit and looked good from day one.

I have left a one shot vanilla detection and a one night btsc.

I claimed because apparently I was in a small POE so I figured by claiming it'd clear things up but apparently people believe I'd make this shit up on day 2 rather than just play normally. It is whatever.

Good guess at who I'd give an invention to.

I’d believe you if Sabie hadn’t died.

I don’t think scum kills Sabie to try to spike an inventor claim.

Assumes you can give items. Assumes you give an item to Sabie. Assumes you live and die off your power being confirmed even though it’s arguably NAI. Assumes we don’t give you a day to try again. How many kills does a wolf use trying to mislynch a PR? Cause if you use one, you have to consider using several.

Nah. That’s not why Sabie died. The question is if Sabie died so you could sell this story.

Any defence I use is wifom.

I'd believe you if sabie hadn't died. What does that even mean? If sabie didn't die we wouldn't even be having this conversation because she would be telling you all she has a lie detect right now.

[speedchuck]

Jack is still bad IMO

[speedchuck]

Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

[novaselinenever]

I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!

This is the worst DDL vote I believe

What's my scum thought process in choosing to vote DDL, Nova?

I know these posts look bad with a lack of context. But with the particular timing being what it is, what do you see in there?

The though process of "let me not be on the counter wagon to my scum buddy".

What context are you talking about? They look just as bad within the context and the timing. I tied the wagons, and was trying to get Juliet to switch which she was considering. The optimal play for a scum buddy on Jack's wagon is to switch to DDL 'cause the best they'll get is a coinflip, especially for one that allegedly scum read him.

[novaselinenever]

Still waiting for Leetic to start talking. Also Mac's claim is meh, but I could see him gifting Sabie to maximize the chance of someone corroborating his claim. Awfully convenient but it can be tested the next phase. There can only be so many coincidences.

[novaselinenever]

Also Jack is bad lol

[Lunalee]

Also Jack is bad lol

agreed. He can look so town when he's bad, but he's still bad. I'm thinking speed is probably bad too. He hasn't suspected me yet.

[Lunalee]

Jack is still bad IMO

see? They're bussing each other

[Lunalee]

7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

Speed and Jack are sooo teammates. I can't take off the tinfoil.

[speedchuck]

7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

Speed and Jack are sooo teammates. I can't take off the tinfoil.

Luna is town. I don't see her faking this.

There's only one scum left, Luna.

[speedchuck]

I believe Mac at the moment.

[speedchuck]

I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!

This is the worst DDL vote I believe

What's my scum thought process in choosing to vote DDL, Nova?

I know these posts look bad with a lack of context. But with the particular timing being what it is, what do you see in there?

The though process of "let me not be on the counter wagon to my scum buddy".

What context are you talking about? They look just as bad within the context and the timing. I tied the wagons, and was trying to get Juliet to switch which she was considering. The optimal play for a scum buddy on Jack's wagon is to switch to DDL 'cause the best they'll get is a coinflip, especially for one that allegedly scum read him.

Or I could have just stayed on the counter... wagon...

Nevermind, I forgot when I voted. Fair enough.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

[speedchuck]

The culprit is either Jack, or Mac is lying.

[speedchuck]

@sabie12 hi, I hope you can post today, I would like to know your thoughts. Come join the fun.

Don't feel like this person killed Sabie

[speedchuck]

I'm just Occam's razoring. It's fun.

[leetic]

My role is Jailer. Asked Epi if blocking the last Mafia would block the kill, and he didn't give me a conclusive answer. Mac and I should synchronize our targets N2 (if we get there) so that if he's telling the truth, it can be confirmed. Voting juliets for now, but I'll look over everyone again once I have the time.

[novaselinenever]

That non conclusive answer is pretty ominous.

[novaselinenever]

inb4 they have a strongman

[speedchuck]

Based on the roles 'revealed' so far, I'd say they possibly have a roleblocker? It would play better.

[novaselinenever]

Based on the roles 'revealed' so far, I'd say they possibly have a roleblocker? It would play better.

You're it?

[novaselinenever]

Not sure how Epi does it, but the natural action resolution I'm familiar with will have the FK fail if they block each other.

[speedchuck]

Based on the roles 'revealed' so far, I'd say they possibly have a roleblocker? It would play better.

You're it?

[speedchuck]

Not sure how Epi does it, but the natural action resolution I'm familiar with will have the FK fail if they block each other.

FK?

[Lunalee]

7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

Speed and Jack are sooo teammates. I can't take off the tinfoil.

Luna is town. I don't see her faking this.

There's only one scum left, Luna.

how do you know there's only two scum?

[novaselinenever]

Faction kill.

Linki - Do you expect more in an 9 player game?

[Lunalee]

Faction kill.

Linki - Do you expect more in an 9 player game?

idk, could there not be more than 2 scum in a 9 player game if town had some power roles?

[speedchuck]

"I've brewed a potion to make us all paranoid and hate each other," said Mamma. "When we drink, we will suspect and try to hang one another. Only two of us will be in cahoots!"

"Excellent work, Mamma," said Morticia.

"To our deaths!" said Gomez, and drank.

It is now Night 0. Nothing happens during this time. Day 1 starts at 7pm EST tomorrow.

[novaselinenever]

Faction kill.

Linki - Do you expect more in an 9 player game?

idk, could there not be more than 2 scum in a 9 player game if town had some power roles?

Not really, especially in a closed setup which is already slightly advantageous to baddies.

[novaselinenever]

Who reads the write-ups? A baddie

[Lunalee]

"I've brewed a potion to make us all paranoid and hate each other," said Mamma. "When we drink, we will suspect and try to hang one another. Only two of us will be in cahoots!"

"Excellent work, Mamma," said Morticia.

"To our deaths!" said Gomez, and drank.

It is now Night 0. Nothing happens during this time. Day 1 starts at 7pm EST tomorrow.

oh, I didn't know we were supposed to read all of that

[speedchuck]

Who reads the write-ups? A baddie

Screw you, the writeup was funny.

[novaselinenever]

"I've brewed a potion to make us all paranoid and hate each other," said Mamma. "When we drink, we will suspect and try to hang one another. Only two of us will be in cahoots!"

"Excellent work, Mamma," said Morticia.

"To our deaths!" said Gomez, and drank.

It is now Night 0. Nothing happens during this time. Day 1 starts at 7pm EST tomorrow.

oh, I didn't know we were supposed to read all of that

Here's a townie

[Jackofhearts2005]

Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I gave sabie a one shot lie detection. Yes it's awfully convenient. C'est la vie. I thought she was under the radar enough to avoid being shit and looked good from day one.

I have left a one shot vanilla detection and a one night btsc.

I claimed because apparently I was in a small POE so I figured by claiming it'd clear things up but apparently people believe I'd make this shit up on day 2 rather than just play normally. It is whatever.

Good guess at who I'd give an invention to.

I’d believe you if Sabie hadn’t died.

I don’t think scum kills Sabie to try to spike an inventor claim.

Assumes you can give items. Assumes you give an item to Sabie. Assumes you live and die off your power being confirmed even though it’s arguably NAI. Assumes we don’t give you a day to try again. How many kills does a wolf use trying to mislynch a PR? Cause if you use one, you have to consider using several.

Nah. That’s not why Sabie died. The question is if Sabie died so you could sell this story.

Any defence I use is wifom.

I'd believe you if sabie hadn't died. What does that even mean? If sabie didn't die we wouldn't even be having this conversation because she would be telling you all she has a lie detect right now.

I mean it’s a fair strategy. But the strategy is “I bet Sabie won’t die” and she did.

[speedchuck]

Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack is still bad IMO

see? They're bussing each other

There aren’t even 3 scum in this game.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.

Tell me why DDL was lynched.

[speedchuck]

Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.

Tell me why DDL was lynched.

Because you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.

I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.

[speedchuck]

I was your first scumread in SHP. Your second post in that game was discrediting a (flimsy) townread of me.

I have no doubts that you would cut DDL's throat and toss his corpse under the bus if things started looking even slightly bad.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

Cause why would I kill you if I was scum? You look worse than I do. I’d need to mislynch you.

First off I take offense to that. You look plenty bad.

Secondly I still don't know how that makes me look like I know you're town.

Tell me why DDL was lynched.

Because you distanced from him early like you do in every game and then LITERALLY NOTHING ELSE happened all day. Which you complained about. It left you and DDL as the only remaining points of interest.

I was a scummate of yours in SHP. I'm not giving you any credit for this lynch.

Cause I distanced? Read it again.

DDL got lynched for fake casing me.

I distanced from you in SHP, partly because Jay was all over both of us and partly because you and Luna had scum equity and Luna looked bad too.

I didn’t distance from DDL here. He suicided against me. It started with DDL against me, not the other way around.

Besides, do you know how exhausting it is to get a mafia win while alone for most the game? It is not my favorite thing to do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like Jesus I did not mean to cultivate a meta where I can 360 no scope a wolf on D1 and it only makes me look bad.

[speedchuck]

Like Jesus I did not mean to cultivate a meta where I can 360 no scope a wolf on D1 and it only makes me look bad.

I feel you there.

[speedchuck]

Cause I distanced? Read it again.

DDL got lynched for fake casing me.

I distanced from you in SHP, partly because Jay was all over both of us and partly because you and Luna had scum equity and Luna looked bad too.

I didn’t distance from DDL here. He suicided against me. It started with DDL against me, not the other way around.

Besides, do you know how exhausting it is to get a mafia win while alone for most the game? It is not my favorite thing to do.

I'll grant you that. The two games are not equivalent.

DDL made a bad case on you and you struck back. Are you positing that DDL would not make a bad case on a teammate? Or that, if he did, you wouldn't be the first to strike back?

[speedchuck]

The thing between you (Jack) and DDL, as I see it, started pretty non-serious. You just both kept doubling down and escalating.

You started with a fake momentary vote on him.

Then you voted mac.

He asked why, citing mac's one post.

You pushed that there needent bee a reason.

You said the vote was disgusting.

You pushed back.

He made a scummier post.

You declared him a wolf.

...

Wow, if the scumteam is Jack/DDL this is like a sitcom level of hilarious. Maybe it is a bit overblown.

[speedchuck]

The thing between you (Jack) and DDL, as I see it, started pretty non-serious. You just both kept doubling down and escalating.

You started with a fake momentary vote on him.

Then you voted mac.

He asked why, citing mac's one post.

You pushed that there needent bee a reason.

He said the vote was disgusting.

You pushed back.

He made a scummier post.

You declared him a wolf.

...

Wow, if the scumteam is Jack/DDL this is like a sitcom level of hilarious. Maybe it is a bit overblown.

Fixed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause I distanced? Read it again.

DDL got lynched for fake casing me.

I distanced from you in SHP, partly because Jay was all over both of us and partly because you and Luna had scum equity and Luna looked bad too.

I didn’t distance from DDL here. He suicided against me. It started with DDL against me, not the other way around.

Besides, do you know how exhausting it is to get a mafia win while alone for most the game? It is not my favorite thing to do.

I'll grant you that. The two games are not equivalent.

DDL made a bad case on you and you struck back. Are you positing that DDL would not make a bad case on a teammate? Or that, if he did, you wouldn't be the first to strike back?

The former. Anything I say about the later is wifom and the truth is “it depends.”

Linki no shit.

[speedchuck]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Wanna do an exercise thing with me?

[speedchuck]

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
speedchuck

Things we haven't looked at for everyone:
Read based on interactions with DDL
Read based on Sabie nightkill analysis

I'm mostly curious what you think anyone (besides Mac) has to gain from specifically killing Sabie?