Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[dunya]

Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?

Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.

[VOTE: Neverwhere] aubergine

Neverwhere civilian

not sure. like you yourself said, that lynch was going nowhere. he just aligned himself with you to look better. he couldn't go on mac or nutella after defending them both itt. where else would you have wanted him to land?

[dunya]

juliets and daisy town. i mean, they were already lock town for me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will not have time this night phase to provide full interactive analyses for Jack. My thesis proposal is literally tomorrow.

WILL SOMEONE ELSE, OR A GROUP OF SOMEONE ELSES, PLEASE BLOODY DO THEM? THEY'RE IMPORTANT. THIS IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I DON'T HAVE SLOONEI HERE TO BE THE OTHER GUY PROVIDING THAT EFFORT. I NEED SOMEONE TO STEP UP AND BE SLOONEI. OKAY GREAT.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?

Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.

[VOTE: Neverwhere] aubergine

Neverwhere civilian

not sure. like you yourself said, that lynch was going nowhere. he just aligned himself with you to look better. he couldn't go on mac or nutella after defending them both itt. where else would you have wanted him to land?

I get the impression that Jack was hiding behind me on that wagon. Any Neverwhere flip regardless of during what phase then makes me look like a doofus. I drove it, he hopped onto it. Generally it's the driver that gets the brunt of the shit (backwards as that tends to be -- civilians are silly).

[dunya]

i shouldnt even be here right now, i'm travelling for work and stealing mafia time when i should be replying to emails.

this is what addictions look like.

[dunya]

my coworker asked me yesterday why my screen was always so dark. look away, mofo. look away.

[juliets]

How do you isolate two people to do an interactive analysis? Mechanically how do you do it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How do you isolate two people to do an interactive analysis? Mechanically how do you do it?

That may technically be possible, but I just open the ISOs separately and CTRL+F the names (search for Player in mafioso’s posts, and for mafioso in Player’s posts).

[juliets]

Oh ok Jay, thanks. I might have time to do some interactive analysis this afternoon after the gym.

[Elohcin]

I am not sure what I think of LC now. Why would he come out and say he is 100% sure Jack is bad. If he is telling the truth and he can determine the alignment of a player as his power, then why give up his life (of course Mafia would kill him now, right?). There are still other mafia left. Wouldn't he want to be a little more vague and keep him life so he can keep playing and keep helping the civs catch baddies? Couldn't he put a little more effort in and build a case on Jack and get us to follow? I just don't know. I am confused.

Based on the claim, I'd say his role is obscenely difficult to nab a baddie with and that he got lucky. "Water turned to wine twice" or two nights in a row. It took two nights of luck for him to catch Jack.
That's like having a maybe-it-works-every-other-night cop. Not really worth protecting that slim-to-none possibility of another success instead of taking out a deepwolf leader.

Also, it would take a ton of time to case Jack in any convincing way, if it is possible to do so, and Long Con hasn't exactly been a top poster. Easier to just hand his stroke of luck over to town and see what happens.

wow, thank you for this chuck. I appreciate your understanding of this and for sharing it. I'm excited now.

[juliets]

I am not sure what I think of LC now. Why would he come out and say he is 100% sure Jack is bad. If he is telling the truth and he can determine the alignment of a player as his power, then why give up his life (of course Mafia would kill him now, right?). There are still other mafia left. Wouldn't he want to be a little more vague and keep him life so he can keep playing and keep helping the civs catch baddies? Couldn't he put a little more effort in and build a case on Jack and get us to follow? I just don't know. I am confused.

Based on the claim, I'd say his role is obscenely difficult to nab a baddie with and that he got lucky. "Water turned to wine twice" or two nights in a row. It took two nights of luck for him to catch Jack.
That's like having a maybe-it-works-every-other-night cop. Not really worth protecting that slim-to-none possibility of another success instead of taking out a deepwolf leader.

Also, it would take a ton of time to case Jack in any convincing way, if it is possible to do so, and Long Con hasn't exactly been a top poster. Easier to just hand his stroke of luck over to town and see what happens.

wow, thank you for this chuck. I appreciate your understanding of this and for sharing it. I'm excited now.

You know, the one thing I don't understand about speed's post is he says it took 2 nights for LC to get lucky. We are just now in the second night and usually results aren't given until the end of night. I know this is a small point but small things sometimes bug me. What am I missing? [mention]speedchuck[/mention] would you just clarify what you meant by that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh ok Jay, thanks. I might have time to do some interactive analysis this afternoon after the gym.

I would be most appreciative. I recommend you prioritize whichever players you feel are the most important to investigate, and hopefully someone else can help you out by picking up the rest (or a third person can round it out -- teamwork gang).

I'd be particularly interested in an interactive review of nova and Kites. They're debatable for me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Full disclosure:

I targeted speedchuck with my post restriction thing on Night 1. I started on leetic, but then he appeared and I wanted to give him a change to get into the game properly. I thought speed might be able to have fun with it. It didn't matter though without a Day 2.

I am not sure I want to use it tonight. I'll think it over.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wanted to give him a change chance to get into the game properly.

Correction

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Make sure we get a protector on Long Con.

[juliets]

Oh ok Jay, thanks. I might have time to do some interactive analysis this afternoon after the gym.

I would be most appreciative. I recommend you prioritize whichever players you feel are the most important to investigate, and hopefully someone else can help you out by picking up the rest (or a third person can round it out -- teamwork gang).

I'd be particularly interested in an interactive review of nova and Kites. They're debatable for me.

oh wait - I thought we were doing interactive reviews for Jack and everyone else. Just clarify for me if you would Jay, what is the target population for the interactive analysis?

[Elohcin]

my coworker asked me yesterday why my screen was always so dark. look away, mofo. look away.

Haha, that's awesome. Have you ever tried to explain the game to someone? Don't! They will think you are so weird. That's like 10th date material.

[juliets]

LOL I see now, you mean nova and Jack and kites and Jack. Sorry!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

oh wait - I thought we were doing interactive reviews for Jack and everyone else. Just clarify for me if you would Jay, what is the target population for the interactive analysis?

No you have the right idea. What I meant is interactive analyses for Jack/nova and for Jack/Kites.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wanna vote Luna but I’m secretly a huge softy and feel bad about her getting lynched a lot D1.

This makes me cringe. It reads like you know I'm town, and feel bad joining in on the lynch.

It’s not like being lynched as mafia is easier or more fun. It’s not an alignment thing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

Everyone else is meh.

Where on the list can "meh" be inserted?

You’re sitting on it.

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
Everyone else is meh
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

I inferred colors for Jack's "rainbow" based upon his answer to my question about the location of "meh".

The names that stand out to me here are speedchuck and DDL. At this point nutella was still a high suspect for some folks, and in that regard Jack exhibited TMI on her. I am brought to wonder if the same holds true for his placement of speedchuck.

He tacked DDL on with his two loudest suspicions (Daisy and juliets) despite having been considerably less vocal on that front. That isn't ideal for DDL.

[novaselinenever]

Neverwhere is bad

Is this another claim or just a strong read?

@novaselinenever answer pls.

Role fishing?

Spoiler: show

A read

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.

Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?

The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.

Dafuck is this?

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

how

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

how

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

You're welcome and thanks for the trade.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Based on the claim, I'd say his role is obscenely difficult to nab a baddie with and that he got lucky. "Water turned to wine twice" or two nights in a row. It took two nights of luck for him to catch Jack.
That's like having a maybe-it-works-every-other-night cop. Not really worth protecting that slim-to-none possibility of another success instead of taking out a deepwolf leader.

Also, it would take a ton of time to case Jack in any convincing way, if it is possible to do so, and Long Con hasn't exactly been a top poster. Easier to just hand his stroke of luck over to town and see what happens.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay, that's not exactly true that a wolf couldn't do it but it's pretty freaking protown.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We'll see.

[speedchuck]

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

how

@speedchuck

You're welcome and thanks for the trade.

What?

[speedchuck]

I am not sure what I think of LC now. Why would he come out and say he is 100% sure Jack is bad. If he is telling the truth and he can determine the alignment of a player as his power, then why give up his life (of course Mafia would kill him now, right?). There are still other mafia left. Wouldn't he want to be a little more vague and keep him life so he can keep playing and keep helping the civs catch baddies? Couldn't he put a little more effort in and build a case on Jack and get us to follow? I just don't know. I am confused.

Based on the claim, I'd say his role is obscenely difficult to nab a baddie with and that he got lucky. "Water turned to wine twice" or two nights in a row. It took two nights of luck for him to catch Jack.
That's like having a maybe-it-works-every-other-night cop. Not really worth protecting that slim-to-none possibility of another success instead of taking out a deepwolf leader.

Also, it would take a ton of time to case Jack in any convincing way, if it is possible to do so, and Long Con hasn't exactly been a top poster. Easier to just hand his stroke of luck over to town and see what happens.

wow, thank you for this chuck. I appreciate your understanding of this and for sharing it. I'm excited now.

You know, the one thing I don't understand about speed's post is he says it took 2 nights for LC to get lucky. We are just now in the second night and usually results aren't given until the end of night. I know this is a small point but small things sometimes bug me. What am I missing? @speedchuck would you just clarify what you meant by that?

Ooh, good point.

IDK, it's his post. He said something about 2 wine-water things and there's been weird night screwery going on.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We'll see.

Would I lie to you, Jay?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

how

@speedchuck

You're welcome and thanks for the trade.

What?

Seriously?

[speedchuck]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.

Four options here:
1. Jack got redirected
2. Jack got blocked
3. Epi missed sending a notification
4. Jack is causing confusion by lying randomly

Sorry Jack, I have recieved nothing whatsoever. And I'm, like, a primo subject. Why would you give me anything?

[speedchuck]

I'll make sure.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

4. Jack is causing confusion by lying randomly

Found it

[dunya]

tbf, you were jack's strongest town read. i called it bullshit though. i still think it's bull.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.

Four options here:
1. Jack got redirected
2. Jack got blocked
3. Epi missed sending a notification
4. Jack is causing confusion by lying randomly

Sorry Jack, I have recieved nothing whatsoever. And I'm, like, a primo subject. Why would you give me anything?

None of those are possible.

It's a fuckin day power and I got what should have been your power to use last night in exchange.

My role is bonkers or both you and LC are lying.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What did you send to speedchuck, Jack?

[Jackofhearts2005]

What did you send to speedchuck, Jack?

A vest.

[speedchuck]

It's a fuckin day power and I got what should have been your power to use last night in exchange.

What is my power, Jack? And who did you use it on?

I don't mind you saying. I've already claimed.

[dunya]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.

Four options here:
1. Jack got redirected
2. Jack got blocked
3. Epi missed sending a notification
4. Jack is causing confusion by lying randomly

Sorry Jack, I have recieved nothing whatsoever. And I'm, like, a primo subject. Why would you give me anything?

None of those are possible.

why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's a fuckin day power and I got what should have been your power to use last night in exchange.

What is my power, Jack? And who did you use it on?

I don't mind you saying. I've already claimed.

Rolecop. Eloh. Power could be either alignment.

[speedchuck]

It's a fuckin day power and I got what should have been your power to use last night in exchange.

What is my power, Jack? And who did you use it on?

I don't mind you saying. I've already claimed.

Rolecop. Eloh. Power could be either alignment.

You were redirected, my dude. Or you're lying profusely.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.

Four options here:
1. Jack got redirected
2. Jack got blocked
3. Epi missed sending a notification
4. Jack is causing confusion by lying randomly

Sorry Jack, I have recieved nothing whatsoever. And I'm, like, a primo subject. Why would you give me anything?

None of those are possible.

why?

1. A day redirector? Only my games have day redirectors.
2. A day blocker? Only my games have day blockers.
3. I got several pms back from Epi.
4. Uh, I'm town.

[dunya]

nutella was the role cop. not buying it.

[novaselinenever]

Hmmm juicy mechanical talk

[dunya]

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] is your role something that can be for both alignments? don't claim, just a y/n is enough please.