Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[dunya]

If you had a cop check that let you skip the day if you got a guilty peek or skip the night if you got a green peak, would you use it on a player you suspected?

actually wait i just reread that question. hmmm. i might do my best to skip nights actually and prevent nks. talking to the devil though, everyone plays differently.

[Jackofhearts2005]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

i don't understand what the "huge gambit" is in either context

Speed is saying he trusts LC cause it would be a huge gambit for a mafia member to fake a red peak.

I disagree.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If you had a cop check that let you skip the day if you got a guilty peek or skip the night if you got a green peak, would you use it on a player you suspected?

actually wait i just reread that question. hmmm. i might do my best to skip nights actually and prevent nks. talking to the devil though, everyone plays differently.

Right?

Normally, red checks are better but a night skip is awesome and a day skip is ass.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s just scum with a day skip, ya’ll.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Or wait, is Long Con saying that HE skipped the day by targeting Jack? Because that's all kinds of funky.

linki: Oh okay.

I gotta give it to Epi, this is a cool role.

[Jackofhearts2005]

LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

[dunya]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

i don't understand what the "huge gambit" is in either context

Speed is saying he trusts LC cause it would be a huge gambit for a mafia member to fake a red peak.

I disagree.

it is.

unless he is sure you're flipping bad. which i think is almost impossible to make it so convenient that he skips night, his song, etc. it all doesn't add up.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

not me. my role is extremely powerful and dangerous to the mafia. extremely. they should be frightened of me.

It's like you want them to kill you.

...

Oh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

i don't understand what the "huge gambit" is in either context

Speed is saying he trusts LC cause it would be a huge gambit for a mafia member to fake a red peak.

I disagree.

it is.

unless he is sure you're flipping bad. which i think is almost impossible to make it so convenient that he skips night, his song, etc. it all doesn't add up.

Why would a mafia member be sure I’m flipping bad?

What about his song adds up?

His song is like “cherry rain golden whatever” and his claim is like “cherries are day skips and guilty and golden is a night skip and a green check.” Okay but you could make the same claim for lyrics with any two nouns.

My song is Doctor Wu and my power is doctor.

Which one of us has the claim that fits our song?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

Maybe if you were a newbie player... but you have hosted role madness. I don't believe you can look at LC's claim and not understand the concept of a cop role with drawbacks.

This is a very elegant role.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

After Jack is done I think we need to start tackling them inactives.

What happened to the Luna case? Did it die with nutella?

[leetic]

After Jack is done I think we need to start tackling them inactives.

Is there really no one else active who is suspicious?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

After Jack is done I think we need to start tackling them inactives.

Is there really no one else active who is suspicious?

I didn't say that. But I do think at some point we'll have such a high concentration of civs among the actives that letting the inactives stay untouched will not be optimal.

[speedchuck]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

There's always a chance that LC is lying or his ability was tampared with, but experience says most of the time, you should trust the cop who claimed first.

[Jackofhearts2005]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

Why does there need to be a framer?

[speedchuck]

LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

LC: I have an alignment checker / phase skipper, and succeeding on one gives me a drawback on the other.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can offer not to kill to protect someone at night and then take and use their power, essentially being a rolecop AND a power stealer with the added doctor bit, which is conveniently broken by a mafia strongman on night 1 I guess because nutella HAD to have a vest protect.
Speed: IDK. Roles in this game are confusing. Cop check is more reliable.

Occam's razor says to trust the cop check and see what happens.

[speedchuck]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

Why does there need to be a framer?

I'm replying to a Dunya post about framers, back at the start of this chain. Go there.

[Jackofhearts2005]

LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

LC: I have an alignment checker / phase skipper, and succeeding on one gives me a drawback on the other.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can offer not to kill to protect someone at night and then take and use their power, essentially being a rolecop AND a power stealer with the added doctor bit, which is conveniently broken by a mafia strongman on night 1 I guess because nutella HAD to have a vest protect.
Speed: IDK. Roles in this game are confusing. Cop check is more reliable.

Occam's razor says to trust the cop check and see what happens.

But nobody ever said this but you.

The role does not say this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

Why does there need to be a framer?

I'm replying to a Dunya post about framers, back at the start of this chain. Go there.

This doesn’t make sense.

[mention]dunya[/mention]

The mafia doesn’t need to frame someone to fake a red peek. They can just lie.

Why would scum LC be worried about his day skipper friendo getting lynched when he’s the day skipper?

[nutella]

R E Z
P L E A S E

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and nobody but Jay even understands what me and LC are saying.

Which is exactly D1 all over again where nobody but Jay could understand my Daisy case.

And at the end of the day, I’ll get lynched over the red peek, Jay gets nightkilled and everyone will shrug at LC because look at all the stuff about framers and mentions of discord and threats of nightkill so of course we don’t trust Jack. Never mind that none of that shit even exists.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

[dunya]

never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

Why does there need to be a framer?

I'm replying to a Dunya post about framers, back at the start of this chain. Go there.

This doesn’t make sense.

@dunya

The mafia doesn’t need to frame someone to fake a red peek. They can just lie.

Why would scum LC be worried about his day skipper friendo getting lynched when he’s the day skipper?

lol

you were more fun when you were lolcatting.

mafia LC lies about you, you flip town, then what? mafia LC wasn't getting lynched. why did he do all this? to mislynch 1 townie? no other way to go around doing that? and why would he lie about YOU and not, say, me or Jay. not being arrogant or anything (i sound gross, i'm sorry), but you spent all of day 0 and the better part of day 1 going after.....juliets and daisy. where's the mafia threat in you?

also your song is literally about a shady as fuck doctor.

so yeah. not buying it.

[dunya]

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

[dunya]

jack doesn't know anything about steely dan. if he searched "doctor steely dan" doctor wu is literally the first song in google the pops up. i wonder if he even looked at the lyrics lol.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

Excuse me for pursuing my wincon.

A lone vote on a wolf is not worth squat. A consensus to lynch a wolf is.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And I’m not lolcatting. My natural joke to content ratio is high. You add an accusation of that and it doesn’t make my jokes lolcatting. If I was lolcatting, you’d know.

[dunya]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and nobody but Jay even understands what me and LC are saying.

Which is exactly D1 all over again where nobody but Jay could understand my Daisy case.

And at the end of the day, I’ll get lynched over the red peek, Jay gets nightkilled and everyone will shrug at LC because look at all the stuff about framers and mentions of discord and threats of nightkill so of course we don’t trust Jack. Never mind that none of that shit even exists.

well having a framer in LC is the only good thing that could explain why scum LC wants you dead. if you're saying none of that shit exists then cool, we made the best choice we could have hoped for.

[Jackofhearts2005]

jack doesn't know anything about steely dan. if he searched "doctor steely dan" doctor wu is literally the first song in google the pops up. i wonder if he even looked at the lyrics lol.

Lol I did not look at the lyrics to my song.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and nobody but Jay even understands what me and LC are saying.

Which is exactly D1 all over again where nobody but Jay could understand my Daisy case.

And at the end of the day, I’ll get lynched over the red peek, Jay gets nightkilled and everyone will shrug at LC because look at all the stuff about framers and mentions of discord and threats of nightkill so of course we don’t trust Jack. Never mind that none of that shit even exists.

well having a framer in LC is the only good thing that could explain why scum LC wants you dead. if you're saying none of that shit exists then cool, we made the best choice we could have hoped for.

What are you talking about?

A farmer would explain why town LC has a red peak on town Jack.

If LC is bad, why would he frame me and then actually cop check me? Wolves are allowed to just lie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You’re talking about a forger.

[dunya]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills and nobody but Jay even understands what me and LC are saying.

Which is exactly D1 all over again where nobody but Jay could understand my Daisy case.

And at the end of the day, I’ll get lynched over the red peek, Jay gets nightkilled and everyone will shrug at LC because look at all the stuff about framers and mentions of discord and threats of nightkill so of course we don’t trust Jack. Never mind that none of that shit even exists.

well having a framer in LC is the only good thing that could explain why scum LC wants you dead. if you're saying none of that shit exists then cool, we made the best choice we could have hoped for.

What are you talking about?

A farmer would explain why town LC has a red peak on town Jack.

If LC is bad, why would he frame me and then actually cop check me? Wolves are allowed to just lie.

why would a framer choose to frame you tho?

[dunya]

You’re talking about a forger.

yea maybe. i'm not mafia savvy like the rest of you guys

[Jackofhearts2005]

No, I’m saying I’m going to flip green and nobody is going to think LC is bad anyway cause it’s “so risky.”

Linki: There’s no framer.

[speedchuck]

LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

LC: I have an alignment checker / phase skipper, and succeeding on one gives me a drawback on the other.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can offer not to kill to protect someone at night and then take and use their power, essentially being a rolecop AND a power stealer with the added doctor bit, which is conveniently broken by a mafia strongman on night 1 I guess because nutella HAD to have a vest protect.
Speed: IDK. Roles in this game are confusing. Cop check is more reliable.

Occam's razor says to trust the cop check and see what happens.

But nobody ever said this but you.

The role does not say this.

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

[speedchuck]

No, I’m saying I’m going to flip green and nobody is going to think LC is bad anyway cause it’s “so risky.”

Linki: There’s no framer.

Heck no. You flip green, LC dies.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Jackofhearts2005]

That’s at Dunya.

[speedchuck]

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

Why does everyone on this site have such a hate-boner for self-voting?

Sometimes it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

[dunya]

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

[speedchuck]

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

[dunya]

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

Why does everyone on this site have such a hate-boner for self-voting?

Sometimes it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

because it sucks when people throw a fit at the thread cos they're being voted and self vote cos they're angry....for being voted...in a game of mafia....where every day phase people vote each other out.

so i don't differentiate between which situation sucks or not. self voting SUCKS. period.

[dunya]

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

and the host told you it's a doctor protection?

[speedchuck]

I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

Why does everyone on this site have such a hate-boner for self-voting?

Sometimes it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

because it sucks when people throw a fit at the thread cos they're being voted and self vote cos they're angry....for being voted...in a game of mafia....where every day phase people vote each other out.

so i don't differentiate between which situation sucks or not. self voting SUCKS. period.

But what if they do it out of a desire to be lynched and set things in motion because it would be better for the game?

Like in that game where you guys might have lynched scum if I wasn't there to drive the endgame?

[novaselinenever]

There's always a chance that LC is lying or his ability was tampared with, but experience says most of the time, you should trust the cop who claimed first.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

[speedchuck]

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

and the host told you it's a doctor protection?

The offer for for the protection of a doctor. And Jack's revised claim falls in line with this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

Give you a vest. Give you a doctoring. Whatever. Now turn your head and cough.

[dunya]

what even is jack doing?

"i gave speedchuck a vest in return for his power"
"no, wait, i gave nutella a vest in return for her power"
"oh wait, it's a doc protection"