Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Matahari and Kites entered this phase as players on the fringe -- possible POE candidates but not definitely. Where do people stand on them now? If they can be resolved, the suspect pool becomes considerably clearer.

I think Matahari looks quite genuine in her suspicion of dunya.

Kites's big vote tracker thing is a good shiny object, but not something that moves me (and he granted that much himself to his credit). I do still think he looks generally authentic though.

Kites is still neutral because that kind of effort is perfectly reasonable for a scum to make. I've done it as scum myself.

I like Mata's tone. She's tunneling on dunya for reasonable things.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Let's see what happens when I follow it. I'm getting the feeling leetic is too easy and I don't wanna lynch Luna. Lynching dunya is so crazy it could work.

[Matahari]

Nova mind,

Leetic - no relaxed
Luna - relaxed
Neverwhere - no relaxed
Niju - no relaxed
Rey- relaxed

Luna - not relaxed

On Day 4, nova's take on Luna shifted across these two posts. To learn more about his suspicion of her, return to the first quote and then follow his ISO forward from that point until he died. I believe that his case was primarily a behavioral one, relating to Luna's posts (and not to night actions or the like).

Thank you.

[juliets]

Matahari and Kites entered this phase as players on the fringe -- possible POE candidates but not definitely. Where do people stand on them now? If they can be resolved, the suspect pool becomes considerably clearer.

I think Matahari looks quite genuine in her suspicion of dunya.

Kites's big vote tracker thing is a good shiny object, but not something that moves me (and he granted that much himself to his credit). I do still think he looks generally authentic though.

Kites is still neutral because that kind of effort is perfectly reasonable for a scum to make. I've done it as scum myself.

I like Mata's tone. She's tunneling on dunya for reasonable things.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Let's see what happens when I follow it. I'm getting the feeling leetic is too easy and I don't wanna lynch Luna. Lynching dunya is so crazy it could work.

So DDL, do you have any other behavior to cite in the case against dunya that Mata did not bring up? Any of your own observations?

[speedchuck]

Which night did Luna have btsc with Speed?

Never mind. Speedchuck said it was Night A.

TARGET night A, BTSC next phase

Thank you. I was trying to work out logistics, I think they’re called. If Nova targeted Luna night 2, would she still have been able to be in btsc with Speed? Just trying to figure out a reason why nova moved Luna to the top.

[Matahari]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] thanks.

Do you still find Leetic to be your top choice for today? Does his request for a replacement change your mind?

[juliets]

Ok I went and looked at nova's posts between the time he thought Luna was ok (relaxed) and the time he thought she was not ok (not relaxed). The intervening posts he cited were ones where Luna was giving reasons why DDL should not have picked Reywas and questioning whether if DDL is scum he would have picked all townies for the poll. So she was speculating on things he did when limiting the poll, implying he was bad, when DDL had already stated that he took the 5 lowest posters and put them on the poll. She was behaving as if he never told us that, trying to make him look bad.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck thanks.

Do you still find Leetic to be your top choice for today? Does his request for a replacement change your mind?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Matahari and Kites entered this phase as players on the fringe -- possible POE candidates but not definitely. Where do people stand on them now? If they can be resolved, the suspect pool becomes considerably clearer.

I think Matahari looks quite genuine in her suspicion of dunya.

Kites's big vote tracker thing is a good shiny object, but not something that moves me (and he granted that much himself to his credit). I do still think he looks generally authentic though.

Kites is still neutral because that kind of effort is perfectly reasonable for a scum to make. I've done it as scum myself.

I like Mata's tone. She's tunneling on dunya for reasonable things.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine

Let's see what happens when I follow it. I'm getting the feeling leetic is too easy and I don't wanna lynch Luna. Lynching dunya is so crazy it could work.

So DDL, do you have any other behavior to cite in the case against dunya that Mata did not bring up? Any of your own observations?

Eh not really just the nagging feeling from all game that I'm not really seeing civ dunya.

Which may or may not be clouded by the fact she has real life reasons to post less and stuff.

Let's just say I wanna do something different this time, instead of following the list of low posters like a checklist. Leetic is scummy all right but he's scummy to the point that I doubt a baddie would make some of those posts. I'm suspecting deepwolves and dunya is a strong candidate for deepwolfness.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Heck, with my luck, the very fact I'm not voting for leetic will ensure he's flips bad. So that's win/win.

[juliets]

I understand DDL, my deep wolf suspicions are too embarrassing to even admit!

I'm staying on leetic for now - he was my other choice besides niju and I just feel like we have one slanker on the mafia team.

And I would still like to see the full case on Luna if anyone has it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'll be honest Im kind of shoehorning my performance in this game because I have a bunch of stuff to do this week and I foolishly signed up for another game.

I guess acting randomly is easier than making a deep analysis, and based on my experience, about as likely to work.

[Long Con]

I'll [VOTE: leetic] aubergine because POE, and sub request, and so on...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I can find a dang moment after this phase I hope to compile some thorough casing for various suspects to include tinfoil prospects. We need to keep this game alert and ready as best as we can.

[Matahari]

Are subrequests usually done in the thread now, instead of privately to the host?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are subrequests usually done in the thread now, instead of privately to the host?

Both are pretty commonplace. I'd generally do it in private first and then perhaps notify the players.

Does this in any way impact your perception of leetic?

[Elohcin]

Matahari and Kites entered this phase as players on the fringe -- possible POE candidates but not definitely. Where do people stand on them now? If they can be resolved, the suspect pool becomes considerably clearer.

I think Matahari looks quite genuine in her suspicion of dunya.

Kites's big vote tracker thing is a good shiny object, but not something that moves me (and he granted that much himself to his credit). I do still think he looks generally authentic though.

I think Mata looks genuine and seems to be really trying to help the civ cause. I still wonder about kites as I have almost since the beginning.

I have nothing else to add at this point unfortunately. I had time to catch up, but I have some chores to get done and errands to run. I will be back this evening.

[Matahari]

Are subrequests usually done in the thread now, instead of privately to the host?

Both are pretty commonplace. I'd generally do it in private first and then perhaps notify the players.

Does this in any way impact your perception of leetic?

Looking at both perspectives, town: could be trying to warn town not to waste another lynch
Mafia: trying to buy an extra day for his role to be replaced? If he wants out though, why not let himself be lynched? Or is his sub request a way to insure a lynch and release him from his game obligation? I don’t know how savvy a game player that Leetic is, so I would have to follow the logic and instincts of other players on him.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How about some contingencies:

Everyone tell me your next step forward in the event leetic flips civilian.

[Kites]

not gonna join the leetic lynch
i was okay with niju lynch but i had my doubts about it
this is similar case
i think leetic is genuinely too busy to play, and had the other more interesting game going on (so not mafia here) he would rather concentrate on

it just feels too easy

[juliets]

not gonna join the leetic lynch
i was okay with niju lynch but i had my doubts about it
this is similar case
i think leetic is genuinely too busy to play, and had the other more interesting game going on (so not mafia here) he would rather concentrate on

it just feels too easy

I'm starting to have that wobbly feeling I had with the niju Lynch being so easy.

[juliets]

[mention]Kites[/mention] who are you going to vote for?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I see your question but need a minute.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

not gonna join the leetic lynch
i was okay with niju lynch but i had my doubts about it
this is similar case
i think leetic is genuinely too busy to play, and had the other more interesting game going on (so not mafia here) he would rather concentrate on

it just feels too easy

Who instead?

[juliets]

How about some contingencies:

Everyone tell me your next step forward in the event leetic flips civilian.

Maybe Elo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will say that the "feels too easy" thing is not something I tend to care about. How is anyone going to defend leetic under the circumstances?

[juliets]

I will say that the "feels too easy" thing is not something I tend to care about. How is anyone going to defend leetic under the circumstances?

Kites just did.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will say that the "feels too easy" thing is not something I tend to care about. How is anyone going to defend leetic under the circumstances?

Kites just did.

So it's not too easy?

I understand the trepidation. I just don't think it's terribly logical.

[juliets]

I will say that the "feels too easy" thing is not something I tend to care about. How is anyone going to defend leetic under the circumstances?

Kites just did.

So it's not too easy?

I understand the trepidation. I just don't think it's terribly logical.

ok, you're probably right.

[Kites]

Bye Nova. I am voting luna like I said I would if there was a kill this time.

explain what you mean please.

Luna was not active and there were no night kills for what, 2 nights? Then there was the narrowed lynch poll. Luna was on it and all of a sudden she had time to come in and get involved. With an active Luna there was now a night kill. I explained that if the night kill came about now that Luna was active, that I would assume those non-night kills were due to an inactive mafia luna.

linki....this whole insanification gold stuff is over my head.

I don’t believe in mafia not sending the night kills one bit. Even if lurker mafia doesn’t post, they are almost certainly checking the thread and sending the NK doesn’t take much of your time. Besides Jack was alive when luna didn’t post, and how do we know if there isn’t a 4th member of mafia team? I am suspicious of luna but this feels like a too made up excuse to vote

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

[Kites]

dunno if I want to stay up till 2 am to see the result
My sleep schedule sucks and I want to do somwthing about it

[Spacedaisy]

How about some contingencies:

Everyone tell me your next step forward in the event leetic flips civilian.

I’d be looking at DDL who seems intent on not voting leetic.

[Spacedaisy]

in fact... I’m willing to put a vote there [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[Dragomir]

I subbed in yes?

[Matahari]

Well, my top suspects as of now are Dunya, Elohcin, DDL
Of the quiet ones, I’m between all of them. Leetic, Luna, and Neverwhere (who has become even more quiet).

[juliets]

I subbed in yes?

Hi! Did you sub in for leetic?

[Kites]

I will say that the "feels too easy" thing is not something I tend to care about. How is anyone going to defend leetic under the circumstances?

I mean it’s an easy train to hop on without providing hardly any reasoning or thought at all, like happened with niju

I get lurkers are a problem but idk if I want to use 2 day phases in a row on them. People just come in, cast their votes and are done for the day

[juliets]

Sooooo...do we have a sub for leetic? Or am I confused? I don't know about voting him if we now have a sub, but Epi hasn't announced one...

[Dragomir]

I subbed in yes?

Hi! Did you sub in for leetic?

Don't know yet. Haven't received a role PM.

[speedchuck]

I subbed in yes?

Hi! Did you sub in for leetic?

Don't know yet. Haven't received a role PM.

[juliets]

I subbed in yes?

Hi! Did you sub in for leetic?

Don't know yet. Haven't received a role PM.

Lol, this is awesome [mention]Dragomir[/mention]

[Epignosis]

I subbed in yes?

Hi! Did you sub in for leetic?

Don't know yet. Haven't received a role PM.

This guy is apparently replacing leetic.

[juliets]

Ok so guys, are we going to stay on leetic?

[juliets]

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]Lunalee[/mention]
[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Are we doing the right thing staying on leetic now that he's been replaced? Maybe so, I just want to make sure everyone is aware.

[speedchuck]

Ok so guys, are we going to stay on leetic?

Dragomir/Leetic share gold? Less phase tonight.

[Dragomir]

Can someone give me a summary? I am not reading 60 pages.

[juliets]

I wish my interpreter Spacedaisy was around. I'll watch your vote [mention]speedchuck[/mention] so I'll know what you are saying. I just don't know the right thing to do. Leetic's replacement is new to our site so in that way I hate to Lynch him before giving him a chance. But if leetic is bad he's bad too. I hate this.

[juliets]

Can someone give me a summary? I am not reading 60 pages.

We have lynched two mafia, MacDougall and Jackofhearts. The prevailing theory is there are 2 to 3 more. You are in the lead for today's Lynch.

Probably the most important thing you could do right now is convince us you are civ. Read through leetic's posts so you'll know what he's said - its not much. Lynch is in about an hour I think.

[juliets]

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] Lynch ends in an hour and 20 minutes.

[speedchuck]

Luna share gold BTSC
Spacedaisy share gold BTSC
juliets share gold
JJJ share gold
Luna share speedchuck gold

DRAGOMIR share gold tonight phase!

[speedchuck]

[Dragomir]

Can someone give me a summary? I am not reading 60 pages.

We have lynched two mafia, MacDougall and Jackofhearts. The prevailing theory is there are 2 to 3 more. You are in the lead for today's Lynch.

Probably the most important thing you could do right now is convince us you are civ. Read through leetic's posts so you'll know what he's said - its not much. Lynch is in about an hour I think.

Holy shit, this is one tricky ass situation I'm in.