Zootopia Mafia [Game Over]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nighthowlers aren't wolves, they're toxic flowers making predators go savage.

[colonialbob]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

[Logic]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

[Epignosis]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

I appreciate this assertion- you're using what you do know instead of lamenting what you don't.

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

I wouldn't put any stock in what happened with the movie in a setup in which claiming is legal.

[indiglo]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

I would give the same answer and the same reason.

[Epignosis]

I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

[Dyslexicon]

Pardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?

That mafia can win without overtaking the town by numbers. It's in the OP.
Also in the OP is that town needs to get rid of mafia.
I was half expecting that we had to form a protest against the mods - "We resist this oppressive system! Predators and preys are mere labels bestowed upon us for you to control us all, while we fight our petty war among ourselves. No more, I say! No more!"

[indiglo]

I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

Ditto. I feel a bit more comfortable voting Jinrou (which feels weird to say after he copped green, but hey, bastards is as bastards do), but this Day Phase is going to be my phase of trust and cooperation. Paranoia hasn't worked yet, so I'm going to try the opposite. It's Bizarro Indi day! So, if everyone else that I trust feels more comfortable voting Kylemii, I'll go there too, no hesitation.

I also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.


As an aside to those who now know they were alignment checked - did anything weird happen to you on the nights you were targeted?

[indiglo]

Pardon me, what does that even mean?? Win without parity?

That mafia can win without overtaking the town by numbers. It's in the OP.
Also in the OP is that town needs to get rid of mafia.
I was half expecting that we had to form a protest against the mods - "We resist this oppressive system! Predators and preys are mere labels bestowed upon us for you to control us all, while we fight our petty war among ourselves. No more, I say! No more!"

Yeah, I read it in the OP and didn't know what it meant then either. LOL Thank you for explaining. I had just never heard that term before.

[Dyslexicon]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

And I was feeling so special. I actually think this is the first time ever I randed cop in my 6 years of on and off mafia playing. Looool.

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, I read it in the OP and didn't know what it meant then either. LOL Thank you for explaining. I had just never heard that term before.

Parity means equal. So kind of fitting with the theme. =p
But here it refers to mafia having the same numbers as town in the thread. So it seems mafia can win that way, or some other mysterious way. We need to lynch some mafia soon is my feeling regardless lol

[Epignosis]

I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

Ditto. I feel a bit more comfortable voting Jinrou (which feels weird to say after he copped green, but hey, bastards is as bastards do), but this Day Phase is going to be my phase of trust and cooperation. Paranoia hasn't worked yet, so I'm going to try the opposite. It's Bizarro Indi day! So, if everyone else that I trust feels more comfortable voting Kylemii, I'll go there too, no hesitation.

I also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.


As an aside to those who now know they were alignment checked - did anything weird happen to you on the nights you were targeted?

Nothing has happened to me, and apparently I was targeted plenty.

[Dyslexicon]

If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

[indiglo]

If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

Yeah, that is weird, I agree. I didn't even get a complete sentence. It was just the word Result, a colon :, and then the word Town. Every time the same.

(This way I'm not quoting my PMs)


Also, I made a really cute letter head graphic for my night power PMs, and they both told me it was cute and funny. But that was all in a different message. But they did use complete sentences then, just to stick up for their communication skills.

[Epignosis]

I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

[Dyslexicon]

I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

He could? He seems rather creative and smart.
Do you think he would? You probably know him better than me.

[Epignosis]

I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

He could? He seems rather creative and smart.
Do you think he would? You probably know him better than me.

My issue is not what I know of Kyle(mii), but rather what I don't know of the movie.

[Epignosis]

I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.

[Epignosis]

The first thing I notice is that Kylemii says he got messages "like" this or that.

The third item breaks the trend.

I'm inclined to believe that.

[Epignosis]

And given that double-targeting is allowed, it makes sense to me that Kylemii got fucked with twice and then got unlucky a third time.

[indiglo]

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

[Epignosis]

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Excellent.

I believe Kylemii is truthful and thus a civilian.

[Epignosis]

Get your filthy votes off Kylemii.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Who is a threat to Zootopia?

Poll runs till Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:49 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

Logic
0
No votes


Voters: None

CBob
0
No votes


Voters: None

Epi
0
No votes


Voters: None

Dys
0
No votes


Voters: None

Indiglo
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kyle
3
21%


Voters: Dyslexicon, Owner of a Lonely Heart, colonialbob

LC
0
No votes


Voters: None

Jinrou
3
21%


Voters: Epignosis, indiglo, Logic

Owner
0
No votes


Voters: None

Soneji (host/dead/non)
8
57%


Voters: nutella, juliets, speedchuck, Sloonei, leetic, MacDougall, JaggedJimmyJay, Jackofhearts2005


Total votes: 14

[Dyslexicon]

Huh. I don't know. I will sleep now. I'll probably just end up sheeping indiglo tbh

[Dyslexicon]

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

[Epignosis]

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Jinrou wanted my head and gave up. I don't believe there was any conviction there, but maybe I'm misunderstanding someone who called me big gae or something I don't get because I'm happy being old. Your mileage may vary.

I don't care if Owner is a cop unless you have a reason I should.

The biggest takeaway for me in this moment is that Kylemii is a civilian and by extension, indiglo is too. I'm happy starting there today.

[Epignosis]

That said, I don't want to railroad Jinrou before hearing from him in light of all the new business.

[indiglo]

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Now let's all claim role blocking powers too and see what happens.

Jack, you want a bastard game??

YOU GOT ITTTTTTTTT!!!11!!!!1!




I am about to fall asleep. But I will do more tomorrow, and try to remember to answer the Jinrou question then too, unless someone else beats me to it.

Owner did not claim cop, neither did Epi. (But truth be told, Epi responded exactly the way I expected him to. Exact wording and everything I had imagined in my brain. I laughed when it happened.)

[indiglo]

Huh. I don't know. I will sleep now. I'll probably just end up sheeping indiglo tbh

Oh no, please don't do that. I can assure you I have no idea what is going on and who is bad right now.

[colonialbob]

I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.

Those are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

[Epignosis]

I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.

Those are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

I don't care about characters. I don't know any characters.

It isn't "either he ran out of stuff to make up" or "the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff."

That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

If Kylemii isn't telling the truth, then he got lucky as hell making up try number three, didn't he?

Changing my vote back to bob.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Also Owner is not a cop?

correct

[Jackofhearts2005]

I didn't even get a complete sentence. It was just the word Result, a colon :, and then the word Town. Every time the same.

It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that [mention]indiglo[/mention] has been fired. She was Officer Trunkaby (Town/Prey).

The purpose of the "no quoting messages from the host" rule is so that the wording of a pm may not be used to confirm a town player that knows how the host words things or to out a scum player who does not. Spelling out the wording of a pm without literally quoting it still has the same negative effect. I believe Indiglo has been confirmed town by the post quoted above.

This action is not intended to shame Indiglo, who Juliets and I have both enjoyed having in our game. I apologize to her for not making this rule more clear. Nevertheless, her removal from the game is necessary to ensure fairness to the scum team.

Please do not attempt to use the specific wording of pms from the hosts in order to read players or self confirm.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Get your filthy votes off Kylemii.

What do you make of scum being given fake claims?

Note: I do like how Kyle's responses are different than the people who just gave a list of names and nights.

But his lack of solving or not much interaction with the rest of the game is what bothers me about him.

[Long Con]

I didn't even get a complete sentence. It was just the word Result, a colon :, and then the word Town. Every time the same.

It is with a heavy heart that I must inform you that @indiglo has been fired. She was Officer Trunkaby (Town/Prey).

The purpose of the "no quoting messages from the host" rule is so that the wording of a pm may not be used to confirm a town player that knows how the host words things or to out a scum player who does not. Spelling out the wording of a pm without literally quoting it still has the same negative effect. I believe Indiglo has been confirmed town by the post quoted above.

This action is not intended to shame Indiglo, who Juliets and I have both enjoyed having in our game. I apologize to her for not making this rule more clear. Nevertheless, her removal from the game is necessary to ensure fairness to the scum team.

Please do not attempt to use the specific wording of pms from the hosts in order to read players or self confirm.

[Kylemii]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

[Kylemii]

Those are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

the message I received said that my failure wasn't my fault this time, which implies to me that either I was blocked or that the player I targeted is untargetable somehow.

[Kylemii]

The first thing I notice is that Kylemii says he got messages "like" this or that.

The third item breaks the trend.

I'm inclined to believe that.

I'm saying "like" to avoid copy pasting or even paraphrasing my PMs, the first two were basically storyboards from the actual movie. third one wasn't and included a notification that this wasn't a personal failure.

[Kylemii]

I also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

anyone who's ever played with me knows that i don't ever make the kill choices

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.

what are you even talking about? the only one I wasn't sure of was LC and that's cus I was convinced that my role is a prank role at the point they i made that decision. where is this coming from

[Kylemii]

If any of the cop claims are untrue, I think it would be Kyle's. That whole getting random messages could definitely be made up. Why would Kyle be the only one getting custom messages. I just got town every time, and it seems that was the experience that Bob, Logic and indiglo had too. I can easily see Kyle make up this shit to make it sound believable and specific. I think. Maybe. Right?

[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I want to point out before I go to bed that I don't like how far dizzy goes out of the way to ignore the fact that my role is clearly a thematic joke role in a bastard game. Having one role that's "haha Jonah Hill cat cop wants junk food instead of detective work, it's a fun prank" is cute and funny, but having multiple roles exactly like mine that say they do one thing but actually don't do anything would be less creative or interesting, especially if they were both cops for some reason

[Jinrou]

no result is the most common mafia phrase for a roleblock possible

[Jinrou]

and its not even related to the role, every night action would get that phrase

[Jinrou]

and epi i will get to ur ass soon enough

[colonialbob]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

Ok, this is more convincing to me.

[VOTE: jinrou] aubergine

[Jinrou]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

Ok, this is more convincing to me.

[VOTE: jinrou] aubergine

he didnt cop me or is lying

[colonialbob]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

Ok, this is more convincing to me.

[VOTE: jinrou] aubergine

he didnt cop me or is lying

Me or mii

[Long Con]

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

that's actually wrong. saying zootopia over and over and generally being a memelord was an active choice i made to make sure I survived long enough to cop someone. i went a different direction once I realized that at the very least my role likely wasn't a perfect cop, but also that there was probably at least one other cop in the game due to the presence of a miller before I got tired/busy

How/when did you "realize" there was another cop?

[Logic]

I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.

I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)

I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

@Kyle who did you target each night so far?


I don't know how anyone phone mafias. It is the worst!!

Speedchuck, epignosis, then I think.... Long con?

Those are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

the message I received said that my failure wasn't my fault this time, which implies to me that either I was blocked or that the player I targeted is untargetable somehow.

@epigensis these first two make me think Kylemii is making it up. The third looks like a reasonable explanation. How did you get to "Kylemii is a civ" based on the first 2 alone? Because that draws me to the opposite conclusion.

[Logic]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]
With Indiglo's vote no longer counting, do you want to vote to save Kyle, and go over to jinrou? Or are you sticking with colonialbob?