Phenon: Origins REDUX [MAFIA WIN]

[PonySparkPrime]

I have not defended more than attacked! I have answered questions and addressed what people ask me of, I’ve ISOed and given clear reads on everyone. I’ve been clear who I currently suspect and do not. Any defending I’ve done is because people are directly asking me for answers to something.

I’m starting to feel like no one reads anything I say.

[Marge Simpson]

I’ve given complete current list of reads on every player’s living. I’ve ISOed everyone multiple times and tried to form my conclusions about them. How can you even suggest I’ve done nothing but swat at Bravo?

I believe Juliets was bad, Echo and Golf civ, and India was either civ or was the disguiser moving on to someone else’s account.

a big reads list is appreciated, but it is also token. that's not difficult for a mafioso to construct, and to call it sufficient "effort" to earn credit or to alleviate Bravo's specific criticism on this front is a generous assessment. much of the progression that led to you those reads is harder to find in your post history. indeed, it isn't absurd to state that a considerable portion of your recent content has been dedicated to telling Bravo off.

[Marge Simpson]

Raw CTRL+F result counts for each of the two in the bicker-war (including content in quotes):

Bravo:

Alpha - 13
Charlie - 26
Delta - 77
Foxtrot - 27
Hotel - 11
Kilo - 26

Delta:

Alpha - 10
Bravo - 46
Charlie - 22
Foxtrot - 19
Hotel - 20
Kilo - 12

[Marge Simpson]

[mention]Bravo[/mention], you've been more focused on Delta as compared to the rest than Delta has been on you as compared to the rest.

[dodo]

Bravo, why is everyone more civilian in appearance than Delta?

Because they are not as shady as him, except Kilo.

[Marge Simpson]

Bravo, why is everyone more civilian in appearance than Delta?

Because they are not as shady as him, except Kilo.

what's the problem with Kilo?

[dodo]

Did I not tell you to stop asking me questions

[Marge Simpson]

Did I not tell you to stop asking me questions

i'm going to ask you questions

[dodo]

Bravo, you've been more focused on Delta as compared to the rest than Delta has been on you as compared to the rest.

Lets lynch him, and I will concentrate on the rest. Although I think I have more natural interactions with others than Delta has. All he is doing is sharing bland reads here and there after drawing back and forth. He is not really interacting with the game, unless it is to defend himself and play the victim.

Linki lol

[dodo]

Bravo, why is everyone more civilian in appearance than Delta?

Because they are not as shady as him, except Kilo.

what's the problem with Kilo?

Check my iso

[Marge Simpson]

Lets lynch him, and I will concentrate on the rest.

absolutely not how this works

[Marge Simpson]

"pick one guy to tunnel all game" is a very ordinary mafioso strategy. Bravo i think your case against Delta sucks. give me a better case.

[Marge Simpson]

i am actually considering the "everyone seems okay so murder Foxtrot" line of thinking

[dodo]

"pick one guy to tunnel all game" is a very ordinary mafioso strategy. Bravo i think your case against Delta sucks. give me a better case.

There are no better cases. Even my great case on Kilo is not good enough.

[dodo]

Why were you voting Delta, Charlie.

[Marge Simpson]

"pick one guy to tunnel all game" is a very ordinary mafioso strategy. Bravo i think your case against Delta sucks. give me a better case.

There are no better cases. Even my great case on Kilo is not good enough.

I checked your ISO. your case on Kilo doesn't exist. "kilo - bad" and "kilo and delta might be a team" and "faaaaaaake" are not a case

[Marge Simpson]

Why were you voting Delta, Charlie.

because their reads list made me feel nothing whatsoever, and a reads list shouldn't have that property

also the "preferably probably" adverb salad in the last portion of that post

[dodo]

"pick one guy to tunnel all game" is a very ordinary mafioso strategy. Bravo i think your case against Delta sucks. give me a better case.

There are no better cases. Even my great case on Kilo is not good enough.

I checked your ISO. your case on Kilo doesn't exist. "kilo - bad" and "kilo and delta might be a team" and "faaaaaaake" are not a case

Those are called blitz cases. They can not move further until the first target is six feet under.

[Marge Simpson]

Those are called blitz cases. They can not move further until the first target is six feet under.

no, what you just described is "i am too lazy to make two cases"

[dodo]

Why were you voting Delta, Charlie.

because their reads list made me feel nothing whatsoever, and a reads list shouldn't have that property

also the "preferably probably" adverb salad in the last portion of that post

Then why are saying that my case on him sucks

That hurts man

linki your words, not mine

[dodo]

i am actually considering the "everyone seems okay so murder Foxtrot" line of thinking

What do you mean

[dodo]

Considering it how

Its awful

[Saito]

Raw CTRL+F result counts for each of the two in the bicker-war (including content in quotes):

Bravo:

Alpha - 13
Charlie - 26
Delta - 77
Foxtrot - 27
Hotel - 11
Kilo - 26

Delta:

Alpha - 10
Bravo - 46
Charlie - 22
Foxtrot - 19
Hotel - 20
Kilo - 12

@Bravo, you've been more focused on Delta as compared to the rest than Delta has been on you as compared to the rest.

Did you actually do this research just to prove Bravo and Delta are thunderdoming?

[Saito]

Considering it how

Its awful

Is it

For all we know there are 6 civs left and the only baddie is spamming cartoon gifs.

[dodo]

I have not defended more than attacked! I have answered questions and addressed what people ask me of, I’ve ISOed and given clear reads on everyone. I’ve been clear who I currently suspect and do not. Any defending I’ve done is because people are directly asking me for answers to something.

I’m starting to feel like no one reads anything I say.

LOL

[Marge Simpson]

Why were you voting Delta, Charlie.

because their reads list made me feel nothing whatsoever, and a reads list shouldn't have that property

also the "preferably probably" adverb salad in the last portion of that post

Then why are saying that my case on him sucks

That hurts man

linki your words, not mine

your attitude is suggestive of Delta being an obvious choice, and that the rest of our dialogue is simply a delay to lynching Delta. there are reasons to suspect Delta. they are not sufficient to justify your tunneling. your tunneling is indeed something that brings me to resist following your lead. i do not understand at all the degree of confidence that you are expressing against Delta. overconfidence bores me, and it also loses games -- if you're right, you need to dig deep and show me why you're right -- not just why Delta is bad, but also why not-Delta is good. moreover, you have to do so in a manner which reflects a player who is attempting to convince a civilian of the best approach, not a manner which reflects a player wanting to be in charge of the game.

[Marge Simpson]

Considering it how

Its awful

it feels awful, but it isn't invalid. Foxtrot can be a mafioso. it'd just be a boring answer. the biggest reason i doubt it has nothing to do with Foxtrot themself -- it's the people voting for him

[Marge Simpson]

Did you actually do this research just to prove Bravo and Delta are thunderdoming?

i am unfamiliar with that as a mafia term, but i do think there's plenty of capacity for their gripes to be civilian-civilian. i have shifted however to thinking Delta is the more likely mafioso of the two. their tone is bad sometimes.

[Marge Simpson]

i have an idea. i will make it quick.

[Marge Simpson]

I have not defended more than attacked!

I counted.

Attacks: 5

Defenses: 22

Both in same post: 5

Neither: 16

[Marge Simpson]

[VOTE: Delta] aubergine

[dodo]

Why were you voting Delta, Charlie.

because their reads list made me feel nothing whatsoever, and a reads list shouldn't have that property

also the "preferably probably" adverb salad in the last portion of that post

Then why are saying that my case on him sucks

That hurts man

linki your words, not mine

your attitude is suggestive of Delta being an obvious choice, and that the rest of our dialogue is simply a delay to lynching Delta. there are reasons to suspect Delta. they are not sufficient to justify your tunneling. your tunneling is indeed something that brings me to resist following your lead. i do not understand at all the degree of confidence that you are expressing against Delta. overconfidence bores me, and it also loses games -- if you're right, you need to dig deep and show me why you're right -- not just why Delta is bad, but also why not-Delta is good. moreover, you have to do so in a manner which reflects a player who is attempting to convince a civilian of the best approach, not a manner which reflects a player wanting to be in charge of the game.

Fair enough. My attitude is just a reflection of my own confident read on him, that is about it. It does not mean at all that the rest of the dialogue is a delay to lynching Delta, far from it. I mean I also think Kilo is bad, I struggled with Hotel and Alpha gave me pause. I am confident about Delta, but I am still exploring other options, it is just that I want him gone first. Although I said I was open to switch my vote as to consolidate Kilo as a lynch target instead of having a tie.

I guess on top of the reasons to suspect Delta, it is more our direct interaction that fueled my read on him and the confidence. I
believe my exact feeling of his handling of the interactions are described in some of my posts, one of them to you trying to ask you to reread him with it in mind. Overconfidence is my bread and butter though, so I am sorry about that.

I do not think I can do more than I have done about sharing my thoughts and feelings about Delta, especially not in my current condition. I also do not think I have shown signs of someone just trying to be in charge of the game. While confident about them, I am not in Delta or riot mode, since I am open to other votes and still have not figured out everything. I guess a loose play style may give you that impression, but I am just taking it easy due to some stuff.

[dodo]

That took way too long

[dodo]

Considering it how

Its awful

it feels awful, but it isn't invalid. Foxtrot can be a mafioso. it'd just be a boring answer. the biggest reason i doubt it has nothing to do with Foxtrot themself -- it's the people voting for him

Hmm fair enough, although I think some reasons to doubt lie with Foxtrot themselves. Their tone, the apathetic townie vibe they are reeking with, the sheeping Juliet to vote me which makes them difficult to pair in my opinion.

[Marge Simpson]

the hell is everyone?

[dodo]

Considering it how

Its awful

Is it

For all we know there are 6 civs left and the only baddie is spamming cartoon gifs.

Do you actually believe that

[Marge Simpson]

[mention]Bravo[/mention], if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

[dodo]

It would be hilarious if Charlie is taking the piss

[Marge Simpson]

It would be hilarious if Charlie is taking the piss

i am chandler bing

[Marge Simpson]

i wish i could find more inspiration in Foxtrot's votes. they suck.

[Marge Simpson]

[mention]Alpha[/mention]
[mention]Delta[/mention]
[mention]Kilo[/mention]

we have about 15 minutes. get in here

[Marge Simpson]

number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.

So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

[mention]Bravo[/mention]

is Delta teamed with Juliet?

[dodo]

Bravo, if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

I thought about that, especially with a Disguiser around and no flips. I guess maybe because of the Delta v Bravo going around and me seemingly being seen the worse between the two. Keep me around for that,

[Kent Brockman]

I am momentarily here and uninformed

[Marge Simpson]

I am momentarily here and uninformed

who is worst among Delta, Foxtrot, and Kilo?

[dodo]

number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.

So I had an idea today based off the whole theory that India molted and has assumed a new sockpuppet. Wouldn't they reasonably choose someone who is low-profile and not about to get themselves lynched? Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Nope, nope, nope. See, this is a baddie manipulation of this mechanic. This is what a baddie would want us to do. This is how they would spin this.

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

@Bravo

is Delta teamed with Juliet?

I think so yeah. That vote made it 4v2 I believe, although Alpha had not voted in the poll. The general discussion was leading to a Juliet lynch, and my vote was still available to save myself and consolidate that lynch if Delta tried to vote me to save Juliet. The reasoning is whack, the vote feel forced. The quote feels arbitrary, like someone going through an iso to find a reason to vote someone rather than being pinged by a scummy post. I am not sure Delta spoke about Juliet much prior to the vote

[Marge Simpson]

I think so yeah. That vote made it 4v2 I believe, although Alpha had not voted in the poll.

that's not a minor detail. Alpha's invisible vote means Delta broke the tie.

[Saito]

Bravo, if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

Maybe he isn't...

[Marge Simpson]

Bravo, if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

Maybe he isn't...

do you believe he's someone else?

[Saito]

Considering it how

Its awful

Is it

For all we know there are 6 civs left and the only baddie is spamming cartoon gifs.

Do you actually believe that

I don't know!