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Who threatens the subconscious mind?

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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Wait is THIS how you vote? Or is it the poll? Which is official?
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112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 am Drago calls people on tonal stuff, but his is possibly the worst in the game. Is this an instance of someone accusing others of what they think they themselves are guilty of?
I'd have to reread him to assess this possibility. I do have concerns about him because usually when he's town I townread him very strongly from early on and I'm not getting that here (disclaimer, I incorrectly tunneled and mislynched him last game, but only after having that strong townread of him for a few days until circumstances led me to case him).

He may only have the second worst tone in the game though after Rej. But Rej's gonna Rej.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:43 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:33 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:16 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:49 pm I know the feel when you're baked and you think you just discovered the secret of the universe in the colour of your curtains man. So I'll let that one slide through to the keeper.
Actually though did you ever respond to that tmi thing
I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this.
Oh I agree with you I just want a direct response to the point about your drago tmi post.
You still do?
Yeah why do you keep stalling brah
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:47 am [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

Wait is THIS how you vote? Or is it the poll? Which is official?
Sadly you need to do both.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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I love how quickly this wagon took off it inspires confidence I'm never moving
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This ain't the presidential debate
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:48 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:43 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:33 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:16 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:49 pm I know the feel when you're baked and you think you just discovered the secret of the universe in the colour of your curtains man. So I'll let that one slide through to the keeper.
Actually though did you ever respond to that tmi thing
I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this.
Oh I agree with you I just want a direct response to the point about your drago tmi post.
You still do?
Yeah why do you keep stalling brah
BECAUSE I LITERALLY DID JUST GIVE YOU A FUCKING DIRECT RESPONSE HERE LET ME COPY PASTE IT FOR YOU

"I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this."
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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Both? What is this nonsense, so much busywork geez.
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

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Elephant wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am
Epignosis wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....
Epignosis then?
Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.
I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.
LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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What more do you want than "I don't care about it, it's shit". The end.
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

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Benson wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am
Elephant wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am
Epignosis wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....
Epignosis then?
Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.
I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.
LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.
That’s some of the worst logic I’ve ever read, and I’ve played with ds
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:48 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:43 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:33 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:16 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:49 pm I know the feel when you're baked and you think you just discovered the secret of the universe in the colour of your curtains man. So I'll let that one slide through to the keeper.
Actually though did you ever respond to that tmi thing
I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this.
Oh I agree with you I just want a direct response to the point about your drago tmi post.
You still do?
Yeah why do you keep stalling brah
BECAUSE I LITERALLY DID JUST GIVE YOU A FUCKING DIRECT RESPONSE HERE LET ME COPY PASTE IT FOR YOU

"I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this."
Maybe I misread it but this sounds more like a reaction to being repeatedly asked the question rather than a direct response to the question. Walk me through what I'm missing.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:51 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:48 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:43 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:33 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:16 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:05 am

Actually though did you ever respond to that tmi thing
I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this.
Oh I agree with you I just want a direct response to the point about your drago tmi post.
You still do?
Yeah why do you keep stalling brah
BECAUSE I LITERALLY DID JUST GIVE YOU A FUCKING DIRECT RESPONSE HERE LET ME COPY PASTE IT FOR YOU

"I dunno. I can't be fucked dealing with that claptrap. What am I meant to say? No I didn't? These sorts of reads are a waste of time and just take up thread space. Need to find the cunts that are actually planning shit and work out what the go is. Townies are ad hoc scummier than scum. I wish more people realised this."
Maybe I misread it but this sounds more like a reaction to being repeatedly asked the question rather than a direct response to the question. Walk me through what I'm missing.
What was the question? All I saw were statements along the lines of "omg but maybe this is TMI". How am I meant to respond to that aside from to slap them in the face with my dick?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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iaafr wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am I love how quickly this wagon took off it inspires confidence I'm never moving
would need a set of tarot cards to confirm, but superstition bodes well
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It seemed like a pretty clear answer to me tbh. I actually kinda liked it.

Now I’m going back to my cavern, will respond to pings and quotes tomorrow maybe probably.
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Fine ok we can drop it. But like, what is your feeling on drago's alignment and how strong and why
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

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MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:48 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
or he's just bad and people have shit reads


...or is it you who has tmi :ponder:
I feel like I am living in crazytown. I'm getting so much heat and it doesn't feel legit.
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:50 pm This smells like scum jumping on village led suspicion to me. Who started this anti Mac rhetoric? Who has looked like they're taking advantage of wounded Mac?
These were two posts that directly reacted to the TMI garbage at the time. Do they not satisfy the criteria?
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i make like 100 posts a game when i'm town that can arguably be read as tmi. i think tmi reads should only be given good weight when they're very blatant. i haven't even read the alleged mac-drago tmi though, just want to say that i can understand why mac might be frustrated here.
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112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:52 am
iaafr wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am I love how quickly this wagon took off it inspires confidence I'm never moving
would need a set of tarot cards to confirm, but superstition bodes well
The Hierophant vs. The Elephant


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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 am Fine ok we can drop it. But like, what is your feeling on drago's alignment and how strong and why
Mixed feelings. Need more input.
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Idk part of me wants to keep the Elephant around for at least another phase. Maybe I don't have good reason for that though since I don't have particular reason to townread him I just think he's fun.
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:50 am
Benson wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:49 am
Elephant wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 am
Epignosis wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:29 pm
Creature wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 pm Yeah you guys should D1 a new player cause they’ll be harder to read!

Wait....
Epignosis then?
Fine with me. I'm not bad, but there's no way I'm going to keep up with this.
I am awake and picking up where I left off last night. [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine for trying reverse pysychology, and a revenge vote on Hyena. Looking at the poll, I anticipate my vote may change during the next 600 posts of catching up.
LIke, why say the last part? Wolves so often feel the need to tack on additional information about hwo they are going to vote.
That’s some of the worst logic I’ve ever read, and I’ve played with ds
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:54 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:48 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:54 pm Dragomir is getting a lot of townreads. I'd be stunned if this isn't TMI from somewhere.
or he's just bad and people have shit reads


...or is it you who has tmi :ponder:
I feel like I am living in crazytown. I'm getting so much heat and it doesn't feel legit.
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:50 pm This smells like scum jumping on village led suspicion to me. Who started this anti Mac rhetoric? Who has looked like they're taking advantage of wounded Mac?
These were two posts that directly reacted to the TMI garbage at the time. Do they not satisfy the criteria?
Ehh again they were reactions to it without addressing the premise. Again I'm more concerned about your confidence in drago being town.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 am i make like 100 posts a game when i'm town that can arguably be read as tmi. i think tmi reads should only be given good weight when they're very blatant. i haven't even read the alleged mac-drago tmi though, just want to say that i can understand why mac might be frustrated here.
I made a read that said Dragomir was probably getting TMI townreads and then I got accused of having TMI on him for making that read. It's just the kind of crap that irritates me. I just want space to solve.
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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:56 am Idk part of me wants to keep the Elephant around for at least another phase. Maybe I don't have good reason for that though since I don't have particular reason to townread him I just think he's fun.
Oh I forgot that I'm not lynching new people day 1.

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OK. How do you feel about the similar discussion surrounding Creature?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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[VOTE: Creature] aubergine why you coasting brah?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:59 am OK. How do you feel about the similar discussion surrounding Creature?
That was very strange lol.
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lol. So I take it you don't agree with the creature tmi thing? Or did you miss that somehow even though it was a huge point of discussion for while
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Nutella I don't want to alarm you but I think that some strange cosmic event is causing our souls to become intertwined and I am afraid that we may become one entity at some near future point and with Samhain upcoming ... I don't wanna alarm you but it's pretty much certain to happen.
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Aka Eva saying he was spewed town since so many people townread him someone in there had to have tmi
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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:01 am Nutella I don't want to alarm you but I think that some strange cosmic event is causing our souls to become intertwined and I am afraid that we may become one entity at some near future point and with Samhain upcoming ... I don't wanna alarm you but it's pretty much certain to happen.
We literally just made a hydra lol.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:00 am lol. So I take it you don't agree with the creature tmi thing? Or did you miss that somehow even though it was a huge point of discussion for while
Who cares? There are 30 people in this game. Someone said something like "there are 30 people in this game so it makes perfect sense 5 people could have a town read on the same person" and I was like ... yeah.

Also Creature knows what gets him town reads. He's coasting. Needs votes.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:01 am Aka Eva saying he was spewed town since so many people townread him someone in there had to have tmi
Vote him. See how it feels.
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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:58 am
112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 am i make like 100 posts a game when i'm town that can arguably be read as tmi. i think tmi reads should only be given good weight when they're very blatant. i haven't even read the alleged mac-drago tmi though, just want to say that i can understand why mac might be frustrated here.
I made a read that said Dragomir was probably getting TMI townreads and then I got accused of having TMI on him for making that read. It's just the kind of crap that irritates me. I just want space to solve.
Why is that crap? It's D1 and we have like nothing to work with other than tenuous things like that? You aren't above being suspected.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:01 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:01 am Nutella I don't want to alarm you but I think that some strange cosmic event is causing our souls to become intertwined and I am afraid that we may become one entity at some near future point and with Samhain upcoming ... I don't wanna alarm you but it's pretty much certain to happen.
We literally just made a hydra lol.
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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:00 am lol. So I take it you don't agree with the creature tmi thing? Or did you miss that somehow even though it was a huge point of discussion for while
Who cares? There are 30 people in this game. Someone said something like "there are 30 people in this game so it makes perfect sense 5 people could have a town read on the same person" and I was like ... yeah.

Also Creature knows what gets him town reads. He's coasting. Needs votes.
Yes I agreed with that someone as well. And I also townread creature. :shrug:
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:01 am Aka Eva saying he was spewed town since so many people townread him someone in there had to have tmi
Vote him. See how it feels.
I think it's going to feel like spit in my face when he sees he's about to get mislynched on d1 again lol
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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we must kill the elephant before his dark spiritual energies corrupt our souls
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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Benson wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:58 am
112 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:55 am i make like 100 posts a game when i'm town that can arguably be read as tmi. i think tmi reads should only be given good weight when they're very blatant. i haven't even read the alleged mac-drago tmi though, just want to say that i can understand why mac might be frustrated here.
I made a read that said Dragomir was probably getting TMI townreads and then I got accused of having TMI on him for making that read. It's just the kind of crap that irritates me. I just want space to solve.
Why is that crap? It's D1 and we have like nothing to work with other than tenuous things like that? You aren't above being suspected.
Fair. You do you.
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@112 at what point did you stop suspecting me?
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he cannot be allowed to live to hallows eve
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:00 am lol. So I take it you don't agree with the creature tmi thing? Or did you miss that somehow even though it was a huge point of discussion for while
Who cares? There are 30 people in this game. Someone said something like "there are 30 people in this game so it makes perfect sense 5 people could have a town read on the same person" and I was like ... yeah.

Also Creature knows what gets him town reads. He's coasting. Needs votes.
Yes I agreed with that someone as well. And I also townread creature. :shrug:
Yeah but like. Counterpoint, you don't have a green peek right?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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Benson wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 am @112 at what point did you stop suspecting me?
Benson, son of Ben. May I offer you a Creature lynch as a starter?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:00 am lol. So I take it you don't agree with the creature tmi thing? Or did you miss that somehow even though it was a huge point of discussion for while
Who cares? There are 30 people in this game. Someone said something like "there are 30 people in this game so it makes perfect sense 5 people could have a town read on the same person" and I was like ... yeah.

Also Creature knows what gets him town reads. He's coasting. Needs votes.
Yes I agreed with that someone as well. And I also townread creature. :shrug:
Yeah but like. Counterpoint, you don't have a green peek right?
no but... why do you want to lynch him again? you say he's coasting? I think he's just been offline for a couple hours? he's been pretty active I think. or do you just mean that he hasn't been really engaging with people and just skating by because he's getting townreads? I can see that but I'd rather give it another couple phases before reevaluating.
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:08 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:03 am
MacDougall wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 am
nutella wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:00 am lol. So I take it you don't agree with the creature tmi thing? Or did you miss that somehow even though it was a huge point of discussion for while
Who cares? There are 30 people in this game. Someone said something like "there are 30 people in this game so it makes perfect sense 5 people could have a town read on the same person" and I was like ... yeah.

Also Creature knows what gets him town reads. He's coasting. Needs votes.
Yes I agreed with that someone as well. And I also townread creature. :shrug:
Yeah but like. Counterpoint, you don't have a green peek right?
no but... why do you want to lynch him again? you say he's coasting? I think he's just been offline for a couple hours? he's been pretty active I think. or do you just mean that he hasn't been really engaging with people and just skating by because he's getting townreads? I can see that but I'd rather give it another couple phases before reevaluating.
I didn't say I wanted to lynch him?
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

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My problem with Creature is that I have no actual reason to offer a read. He's blendy, and he became even blendier as soon as he started getting locktown clears. I hate that. Civs are meant to get active when they get locktown clears imo.
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