Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[S~V~S]

Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

Hi Sabie!

You and I often approach a thing from different directions, so you help me with perspective. I am looking forward to hearing your take on Jack and Nanook/Radishes when you get caught up.

[Master Radishes]

I've not voted yet so I haven't seen the poll. Who is in the 4th slot on Nutella, Jack, and/or me?

Thar be scum. Bet me.

I don't think the votes are ordered so in that case you'll have to go back and see. Are you saying the 4th vote on a wagon is scum? Cause...? I don't believe in number magic in mafia myself but ok.

Oh right, I forgot they're not in order. Eh, not putting in the work myself.

Roster size depending, 4th slot is more often the scum slot than any other slot, in my experience. (I've not done any statistical analysis of this.)

[Dyslexicon]

I miss Mac's big D =(

[Dyslexicon]

I don't know why I feel resistance to read S-V-S as town. Cause she probably very well could be.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh right, I forgot they're not in order. Eh, not putting in the work myself.

Roster size depending, 4th slot is more often the scum slot than any other slot, in my experience. (I've not done any statistical analysis of this.)

Yeah, I've heard that before about the 3rd or 4th vote, but it kind of makes me want to do fart noises lol. I feel there are way better tells with any particular vote in any particular game than what a universal number can be.

[Dyslexicon]

To think that I asked Radish to give an ISO on his scummate Sloonei

[Sloonei]

Yeah, okay, I don't have the time or will to slog through the thread again. Just...give me someone(s) to ISO or summat.

Sloonei and Ted pops into my head as interesting ISOs for what it's worth.

Okie dokie.

Pre-ISO impressions:

Ted - liked his opening; I'd lean towards saying it's townie, with the caveat of a scum working hard to find the other team
Sloonei - when initially catching up on opening posts, I felt good about him; as I interacted with him in real time, I wasn't sure why; he feels quite reserved and prone to asking questions rather than help scumhunt - maybe that's his meta?

What does this mean? How do you distinguish my questions from something that you would call scumhunting?

Perhaps poorly phrased on my part, but I don't consider asking question after question to constitute 'scumhunting' unless it leads somewhere. You're throwing out dozens of questions to people and there's little evidence you've gotten anything out of them. It's one of those little things baddies (if I can say that) will try to do to appear more active and engaged than they are.

People say this about me all the time. Asking questions is my thing. It's what I do. It leads somewhere, even if the results aren't immediate. Questions asked on Day 1 are valuable on Day 3.

[Dyslexicon]

We should wagon Dom as well.
[VOTE:
Dom] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

I get what you mean about this completely; you're just misinterpreting where the 'performative' bit (maybe not the right word - more like adopting a persona?) comes from. I'm playing in a game with a bunch of people I don't know but who know each other, but have the confidence to 'go against the grain' as you say, as this isn't my first rodeo. I'm not consciously adopting a persona (okay, that was also the wrong phrase) but, yeah, my internet/mafia style tends towards dismissive and sarcastic in the early stages of games, especially on sites I'm not familiar with.

I guess I'd say it sounds like posturing. Also a bit aloof. I read back in your ISO now and I still don't get a good vibe. I don't understand why the "Are we ever going to stop talking about the significance of ice cream flavor and do I need to care?" exists. I don't care for the "I like sloonei but I don't remember why", which you also did with Nut later. That's the kind of lolzy aloof attitude I'm comfortable holding up myself as scum. I realize I'm just reiterating my points again. I just don't think my feelings have changed. Though I do appreciate you being active and involved in the game, whether my read is correct or not.

I mean, I was posting on N0. That's time for shitposting and stupid gut reads.

Scratch that - it's always time for shitposting and stupid gut reads. But as the game progresses I'll add in seriousposting and analytical reads to my repertoire as well.

But I understand your perception of it.

(Also, the 'do I need to care' was sort of in reference to the concept, new to me, that a N0 poll might matter in the slightest.)

[Sloonei]

To think that I asked Radish to give an ISO on his scummate Sloonei

Assuming/searching for scum partnerships on Day 1 makes me do fart noises.

[Master Radishes]

Yeah, okay, I don't have the time or will to slog through the thread again. Just...give me someone(s) to ISO or summat.

Sloonei and Ted pops into my head as interesting ISOs for what it's worth.

Okie dokie.

Pre-ISO impressions:

Ted - liked his opening; I'd lean towards saying it's townie, with the caveat of a scum working hard to find the other team
Sloonei - when initially catching up on opening posts, I felt good about him; as I interacted with him in real time, I wasn't sure why; he feels quite reserved and prone to asking questions rather than help scumhunt - maybe that's his meta?

What does this mean? How do you distinguish my questions from something that you would call scumhunting?

Perhaps poorly phrased on my part, but I don't consider asking question after question to constitute 'scumhunting' unless it leads somewhere. You're throwing out dozens of questions to people and there's little evidence you've gotten anything out of them. It's one of those little things baddies (if I can say that) will try to do to appear more active and engaged than they are.

People say this about me all the time. Asking questions is my thing. It's what I do. It leads somewhere, even if the results aren't immediate. Questions asked on Day 1 are valuable on Day 3.

@anyone to confirm this meta, please.

I did ask for meta info earlier, because I know some people just play that way. I didn't see anyone respond.

[S~V~S]

This is 100% how Sloonei plays, he's like a prosecuter in a TV show about lawyers.

[Master Radishes]

Oh right, I forgot they're not in order. Eh, not putting in the work myself.

Roster size depending, 4th slot is more often the scum slot than any other slot, in my experience. (I've not done any statistical analysis of this.)

Yeah, I've heard that before about the 3rd or 4th vote, but it kind of makes me want to do fart noises lol. I feel there are way better tells with any particular vote in any particular game than what a universal number can be.

Don't get me wrong, I'd never stake a game on it. But once someone pointed it out to me I found it proved true more often than I thought it would.

After a juicy flip I'd look there first, and ISO/keep an eye on the player in question for any other tells.

[Master Radishes]

This is 100% how Sloonei plays, he's like a prosecuter in a TV show about lawyers.

Thanks.

The only legal drama I ever watched was the Good Wife.

[Dyslexicon]

To think that I asked Radish to give an ISO on his scummate Sloonei

Assuming/searching for scum partnerships on Day 1 makes me do fart noises.

But it fell into my lap.
I like to throw it out when I notice it. It may be relevant later. I just played a game where I called out such a connection on D1. I was killed N1, and lo and behold, those two were in fact scummates. When they went on to win the game anyway, without me being able to do anything about it, I made the biggest fart noise I've ever made. Real fart. Plus mouth fart noise. It was truly something.

[Sloonei]

You've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

[Sloonei]

This is 100% how Sloonei plays, he's like a prosecuter in a TV show about lawyers.

I like to think of myself as an annoyingly curious 6 year old.

[Dyslexicon]

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

Alright. Thanks for the recap.

[Master Radishes]

We should wagon Dom as well.
[VOTE:
Dom] aubergine

Eh, I liked Dom's limited posts. They seem to fit the little I know of town!Dom.

[Master Radishes]

SVS seems like a really cool person.

But I don't get why I've seen a number of TRs on her.

[Sloonei]

I remember squinting my eyes at Tony earlier. Let's look into that.

sorry tony

[Dyslexicon]

I didn't even realize Sloonei was voting Radish. There's too many players to keep track of. I want us all to die soon. In the game.

[Master Radishes]

What about TSP? He's done nothing.

Linki: Oh, Sloonei has that thought too.

[Master Radishes]

Btw, why 'linki'? I think someone explained during Inception but I forget.

[Sloonei]

I didn't even realize Sloonei was voting Radish. There's too many players to keep track of. I want us all to die soon. In the game.

i was one of the first to do it, ftr. before it was cool.

[Master Radishes]

Nah, nevermind, I don't like going after LHF.

I dunno. I hate D1s.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Jimmaaay] aubergine

Take that.

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Jimmaaay] aubergine

Take that.

For his controlled voice that I can't trust.

[Master Radishes]

Wait.

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

This is random and way too full for so early a point in the game. Some of the names listed had barely posted.

[VOTE: Vote MacDougall] aubergine

...

Yeah, I like this.

I'm going to head to bed now.

[Master Radishes]

Someone else did an early way-too-full reads list too, I think. I can't remember who.

[Sloonei]

I’ll assume that person is scum and lynch them

I think it was this post that gave me the ole squinty eyeballs. I recall Tony making similar joke-posts early on in both Fallout and the Polka Heist, when he was bad. I took a look at the only town game I remember playing with him (Australian Murder Mystery) and he still had a few joke posts early on, but he got down to business pretty quickly. He's more on-topic after this post, but it's the "[Joke about arbitrary suspicion]" brand of post that got my attention.

This is not something that would determine my vote.

[Dyslexicon]

Someone else did an early way-too-full reads list too, I think. I can't remember who.

Mac just copied Jimmaaay's. Probably a joke. Jimmay was the one with the full read list. Let's wagon. It's a great idea.

[Epignosis]

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... Australian

@JaggedJimmyJay
@juliets
@sprityo
And anyone else who may think I’m too serious to be townJack or that I could be wrong or lying about Nutella being mafia, read my interactions with Nutella in that link with the knowledge that I am town and she’s a wolf.

This game is practically a rerun.

I’ve been wrong about jack being town 4/5 times so odds are in my favor that you’re not town on top of I think all this subway sandwiches I’ve been eating are enforcing a healthier lifestyle

My gut wants less jack in my life, jack

That’s not how odds work.

Your gut is wrong. I’m clearly fucking town here and I’m clearly right on Nutella, too.

Is that an adjective or a transitive verb?

[Master Radishes]

Someone else did an early way-too-full reads list too, I think. I can't remember who.

Mac just copied Jimmaaay's. Probably a joke. Jimmay was the one with the full read list. Let's wagon. It's a great idea.

Lmao, you're right.

[VOTE: Vote JayJaggedJimmy] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Btw, why 'linki'? I think someone explained during Inception but I forget.

I don't really know the origins of the term either. It pre-dates my time here.

[Sloonei]

Someone else did an early way-too-full reads list too, I think. I can't remember who.

Mac just copied Jimmaaay's. Probably a joke. Jimmay was the one with the full read list. Let's wagon. It's a great idea.

Lmao, you're right.

[VOTE: Vote JayJaggedJimmy] aubergine

What exactly is your objection to that reads list?

[S~V~S]

You've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

Obvs, I don't see eye to eye with you on Chuck, I agree re Jules and sig, though. I think nutella is civ, too. I had a good feel about Michelle, but I haven't reread her yet. Last time I saw Jay bad, he was VERY different to how he is here, so I am still getting a feel for him.

I would be OK with a Radish lynch as well, Nanooks reaction to that whole thing last night was too strong, I don't think I buy that he was an outraged bystander. I don't understand Ted or Dyslexicons game yet.

Do you have an opinion on Chuck? He has been really blendy and hasn't said much of substance. But after last GOC when i hounded him and he was civ, I don't much trust my gut on Chuck. He was also on my original "not a civ" list, as was G Man. I would like to hear more from them, I would like to hear from Tranq at all.

I just reread Dom, and he has some content going, not sure why he is taking votes?

SVS seems like a really cool person.

But I don't get why I've seen a number of TRs on her.

Thank You!
What is a "TR"? Town read? Probably becasue my town game is a lot weirder than my bad game, I'm a pretty good baddie, and I tend to put more effort into a bad game so I'm smoother and less likely to say stupid shit. I play a civ game mostly solely on aggression, gut and tone. So I jup to alot of conclusions and backpedal more. At least this is my opinion of my game, results may vary based on the test audience.

And Linki is "linkitis" it means someone posted something relevant to what a person is posting while they were composing their post, so it's an acknowledgment that you say their post. It came from Lostpedia, I forget who coined it.

[S~V~S]

ebwop, *I don't see eye to eye with you on *Jack* (not Chuck)

[Master Radishes]

Someone else did an early way-too-full reads list too, I think. I can't remember who.

Mac just copied Jimmaaay's. Probably a joke. Jimmay was the one with the full read list. Let's wagon. It's a great idea.

Lmao, you're right.

[VOTE: Vote JayJaggedJimmy] aubergine

What exactly is your objection to that reads list?

It was early in the game still when posted, yet was confidently shading barely-posting players in green/orange. I'm not against an early reads list, but I'd expect it to have a lot more grey on it.

[S~V~S]

All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

[Master Radishes]

SVS seems like a really cool person.

But I don't get why I've seen a number of TRs on her.

Thank You!
What is a "TR"? Town read? Probably becasue my town game is a lot weirder than my bad game, I'm a pretty good baddie, and I tend to put more effort into a bad game so I'm smoother and less likely to say stupid shit. I play a civ game mostly solely on aggression, gut and tone. So I jup to alot of conclusions and backpedal more. At least this is my opinion of my game, results may vary based on the test audience.

And Linki is "linkitis" it means someone posted something relevant to what a person is posting while they were composing their post, so it's an acknowledgment that you say their post. It came from Lostpedia, I forget who coined it.

Yes, TR = town read. And thanks for the 'link' explanation.

You may just have a style of play I need to get my head around. It happens. For now, I consider you a squinty-eye-wait-and-see read.

[Master Radishes]

All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

But there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.

[Sloonei]

SVS asked what I think of speedchuck. I think nothing of speedchuck yet, so let's fix that.

Mint chocolate chip is thin mints in ice cream form. Why on god’s minty green earth would anyone dislike that?

Thin Mints are nasty.

Horrendous opinion, but NAI.

speedchuck. What are you doing speedchuck. What's going on with these seven posts of yours, speedchuck.

Not a whole lot. What's going on with your

*checks*

59 why the hell.

His first on-topic post is nothing.

I would rather vote nutella than jack, because nutella will start scumreading me any minute now.

His second is similarly nothing.

Like Nutella is playing what I would expect from her if she tried really hard to mimic her town game.

Or she’s just town.

Like she’s hitting her scumtell a and her towntells.

This seems to be the epicenter of the Jacktella quake. I am brought to wonder:

How do we (we who know nutella) anticipate her to respond to a post like this, where is she is told she is playing to her norms in both alignments? This is an accusation from Jack after all, even if "softened" by the town half of the presentation. I'm not surprised nutella called it garbage, or that she wondered aloud if a mafioso Jack would be so obvious as to openly hedge in this manner.

Is that where it started? Did he push any harder?

Because I'd be surprised to see nutella offended by this cushy push. More like 'meh' and 'jack do you even have an opinion'

This is his most recent post. I'd like to see it followed up on. I can't draw any conclusions from this, or from anything in speedchuck's ISO (except that he doesn't like thin mints). Underwhelming sure, but nothing in here that makes me want to vote for him. speedchuck is a player who will contribute when he's able regardless of alignment.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

[Master Radishes]

Anyway, now I actually need to go sleep. Ta.

[Sloonei]

All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

But there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.

Why not? Do you think that specific list makes him mafia?

[Dyslexicon]

I would be OK with a Radish lynch as well, Nanooks reaction to that whole thing last night was too strong, I don't think I buy that he was an outraged bystander. I don't understand Ted or Dyslexicons game yet.

Does this mean you think Nanook is teamed with Radish?
What does it mean that you don't understand my game (or Ted's game)? Can you be more specific?

[Epignosis]

i was gonna resize it but fuck it, it's hard

That's what she said.

[Dyslexicon]

Epi ctrl+F "fuck" confirmed.

[Epignosis]

This is 100% how Sloonei plays, he's like a prosecuter in a TV show about lawyers.

Thanks.

The only legal drama I ever watched was the Good Wife.

You dont know nothin bout dat Matlock

[S~V~S]

All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

But there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.

I think it's a GTH list, you have to make a snap judgment. That's why the only grays are people who have not posted.

This push towards Jay for Jay being Jay feels off to me, not unlike pushing towards Sloonei for being Sloonei. You have not played with me, but you have played with them, yes?

I would be OK with a Radish lynch as well, Nanooks reaction to that whole thing last night was too strong, I don't think I buy that he was an outraged bystander. I don't understand Ted or Dyslexicons game yet.

Does this mean you think Nanook is teamed with Radish?
What does it mean that you don't understand my game (or Ted's game)? Can you be more specific?

Yes, that is what I am saying. You put me at the bottom of your rainbow earlier, you must have read my posts. Nanooks outburst felt to me like frustrated baddie chatroom anger spilling into the thread, I said pretty much this last night and more clearly this AM. But i am not as sure of their games so I was going to watch and see. I think he got too angry about a person not himself getting poked for something he felt was stupid. Annoyed, sure, but he seemed actively angry. I could be wrong, but this was how I felt.

And your game, and Teds, as well, your mindset, how you look at things. All these votes you make for no real reason and keep changing them, for instance. I am not sure what the point of that is, although I am sure there is one. I don't quite understand your process. Teds reasoning for what he does and thinks seems different enough to my own that I don't quite "feel" him yet. I am an intuitive player, I go by tone and feel, and sometimes I have to watch a person before I get a feel for them. People tend to think I am bad before they get to know me and my game, and that is frustrating as hell, so i try not to do that to other people if I can avoid it. Different =/= bad, so i will often reserve judgment if I don't grasp a persons motivations and/or actions.