Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[nutella]

So much for the thunderdome then

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.

I think it's good to weaken both scum teams and not let one remain intact for too long,but I can see your side of it as well (especially with the assumption that eliminating a team eliminates their kill, which we haven't confirmed)

I’m not making that assumption, seems stupid

[Epignosis]

So much for the thunderdome then

I don't know what that means either.

[nutella]

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

I expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.

[Epignosis]

nutella- your take on Jack in light of sabie and Radishes?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Still think it’s better to hunt the radishes/sabie team first tbh. Very likely to be one busser on the radishes vote, we should be looking there probably.

I’m not opposed to a Mac vote but I don’t think he’s a radish teammate so

Hunt in all directions. Vote for the player most likely to flip scum, regardless of team affiliation.

Thanks but I’m gonna hunt the team I have info on. I don’t really believe there’s independently scummy in a multiball game, not without meta knowledge I don’t have

[Epignosis]

Or anyone can answer for that matter.

[nutella]

nutella- your take on Jack in light of sabie and Radishes?

I liked the point you made about sabie's jack stuff, and so he is on my list of potentials there, but for the most part I believe I have had more reason to townread him than not, so he's not a priority at the moment. I haven't done a ton of retrospective digging though, and could be convinced if more associative ickyness is brought to light.

[nutella]

Wow I feel like I just wrote a Sloonei post that I would rip apart.

[nutella]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Black Rock[/mention]
Two things
When a mafia team is eliminated, does the remaining team then kill every night, or still just every other night?
And re: the poll, Radish is on it and Colin is not.

[Sloonei]

I pulled up these two posts to respond to them but never did while I was catching up. A minor colin gripe:

Would lynch based on Radishes flip: sabie, Jack

Would not lynch based on Radishes flip: Sloonei, Jay, Mac

I’m leery of Dom. A lot of his posts seem to be making points/arguments that expose someone’s bad logic but are not actual scumhunting. This in tandem with his tendency to just say “you’re scum” to people, in place of a crafted argument, gives me heeby jeebies. It is entirely possible I’m projecting because I butted heads with him so I’d like others to check him out.

"Would not lynch" is language for a 1-scum-team game. It's forgivable if Colin simply reverted back to normal habits here, but the word choice caught my eye and I want to highlight it. I agree with the assessment that Jay and Mac (and me) are not likely to be on Radishes' team, but that's not the same as saying I "would not lynch" either of the other two. I probably won't vote to lynch myself today.

Speaking of, I will do that ISO of SVS some time, with an open mind.
But I recall one thing that bothered me in the first place. It was how when she asked Radish about the "baddie" word, and Sig ran away with it, she said that she didn't think it was a slip at all. And it was really strange to me then why she bothered to ask. I guess she was just "making conversation", but that also seems kind of weird to me. Also, iirc, she kind of disappeared a bit, or at least let Sig take over after she brought it up. It just left me feel one type of way.

SVS probably think I'm like full on scum reading her, for all the "shade" I'm throwing. But that's really not the case. There's just something in the back of my mind that irks me.

I pulled this up before seeing that Dizzy was dead, but I want to address it anyway in case this is a lingering issue for anyone else: When SVS asked Radishes about his use of the word "baddie", it was in the context of a relatively casual conversation between Radishes and myself about his meta and mafia history. We were talking about mafia gameplay in a low-stakes general sort of way. SVS happened to be strolling by and, as an old school Syndicate regular, got excited to see a foreigner using our in-house vocabulary, so she took an interest. The question could very well have been asked in OT green. It was a non-issue and I said as much at the time.

I'm here now. I'll probably do some interactive analysis for sabie at some point (maybe tonight if I feel like it). I have a few other thoughts to sort out as well. Stand by, my good chums.

[Turnip Head]

Nutella 1.0 voted for jack

[nutella]

Still think it’s better to hunt the radishes/sabie team first tbh. Very likely to be one busser on the radishes vote, we should be looking there probably.

I’m not opposed to a Mac vote but I don’t think he’s a radish teammate so

Hunt in all directions. Vote for the player most likely to flip scum, regardless of team affiliation.

Thanks but I’m gonna hunt the team I have info on. I don’t really believe there’s independently scummy in a multiball game, not without meta knowledge I don’t have

I feel like you're discounting the idea that getting a flip from one team can actually lead to reasons to suspect that someone is on the other team. Sure it's not as direct, but it's not the same as going off of nothing.

[Sloonei]

Wow I feel like I just wrote a Sloonei post that I would rip apart.

maybe you should try walking a mile in my shoes every once in a while

[nutella]

Nutella 1.0 voted for jack

Yes, and backed off of him. We did a fun little dance.

[Turnip Head]

Sloonei's Shoes is a p good band name

[nutella]

Sloonei's Shoes is a p good band name

The Paprika Sneakas.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: GMan] aubergine
Let him and Mac fight it out.

Oh, you sillyhead. I’m a lover, not a fighter.

Have you heard of angry sex?

[Dom]

I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

How does one do that exactly?

...not by ruling out someone simply because they aren't on one of the two baddie teams.

I think we should hunt as if we don't have a great lead and then assess as we go?

This is not someone trying to actually solve the game.
This is someone looking to antagonize anyone who disagrees into exhaustion.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi is like idk my 5th to 8th highest scumread. He’s not even really on the menu. I’d rather get GMan or Mac.

Yeah, agreed

Lol you just told me to have sex with fight him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

New Nutella is very very likely town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Still think it’s better to hunt the radishes/sabie team first tbh. Very likely to be one busser on the radishes vote, we should be looking there probably.

I’m not opposed to a Mac vote but I don’t think he’s a radish teammate so

Hunt in all directions. Vote for the player most likely to flip scum, regardless of team affiliation.

Thanks but I’m gonna hunt the team I have info on. I don’t really believe there’s independently scummy in a multiball game, not without meta knowledge I don’t have

I feel like you're discounting the idea that getting a flip from one team can actually lead to reasons to suspect that someone is on the other team. Sure it's not as direct, but it's not the same as going off of nothing.

Correct, I am not interested in that right now. Idk how many different ways there are to say I’m focused on catching the radishes/sabie team first

Like I’m not ignoring the other team completely, or arguing that we should, I’m just saying that’s not where my attention will be today.

[nutella]

Hey nanook here's my biggest problem with you. You keep using that weird af shrug emoji in every single post when we have not one but TWO excellent shrug emoji of our own. One of which was made by our own esteemed host Long Con.

[nutella]

Newcomers will be converted to syndicate emoji superiority in due time.

[Epignosis]

New Nutella is very very likely town.

Old Jack is very very likely mafia.

[Jackofhearts2005]

New Nutella is very very likely town.

Old Jack is very very likely mafia.

All I can say is you better be town or all your love taps and me being like “Epi is my fifth suspect at best” is gonna look like distancing and I’ll be annoyed.

[Epignosis]

I won groceries tonight. Took third in a basketball tournament.

[Epignosis]

New Nutella is very very likely town.

Old Jack is very very likely mafia.

All I can say is you better be town or all your love taps and me being like “Epi is my fifth suspect at best” is gonna look like distancing and I’ll be annoyed.

Who's your partner?

[Sloonei]

Comparing my rainbow-esque results from interactive analysis of Radishes with Jay's rainbow of interactive analyses of everyone in relation to Radishes:

Spoiler: show

Definitely not Radishes' partner
Jay
Turnip Head
Dyslexicon
Mac
SVS

Probably not Radishes' partner
juliets
Jack
Michelle
Nanook

Incidentally present
Epi
Dom

Mildly suspicious/conflicting viewpoints/confusing
Colin
tedxtr
Tony
sig

Compatible partner with Radishes
sabie

I think he's bad but he's conspicuously absent
G-man

Absent or overlooked
sprityo
dragomir
tranq
speedchuck
(all of this group appears in the gray pile of his rainbow, which I skipped)

Compatibility with Master Radishes:

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
MacDougall*
S~V~S
Sloonei*
tedxtr

juliets
Michelle
TonyStarkPrime
Turnip Head

Dragomir / nutella 2.0

ColinIsCool
Dom
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook 2.0
sig
speedchuck
sprityo
Tranq

G-Man
sabie12

*didn't get around to a review, so dig for yourselves before making assumptions

Double Incompatible
[Jay]
[Sloonei]
Dyslexicon
SVS
Mac
---
Turnip Head*
juliets**
Michelle**

*Appeared in the top tier on my list, second tier on Jay's list.
**Appeared in second tier on both lists.

Mixed Reviews
Jack
Nanook
Tony
Tedxtr

Double Neutrality
Dragotella

Neutral/negative
speedchuck
Tranq
sprityo

Double compatible
G-man
sabie
sig*

*appeared in the second (weaker) tier on both lists

We were approaching this exercise from opposite ends, so there were bound to be a few names that didn't line up. Those are: Jack, nanook, Tony, and Ted. I don't think that I paid close attention to the distinction between nanook 1.0 and nanook 2.0 when I was doing my research, for what it's worth. I think any of these names could be worth exploring, either in general or just to see where the differences are. With sabie's flip and the apparent tide against Jack in relation to her, I certainly feel like I owe it to myself to reconsider my read on him.

But by far the most intriguing thing on these joint lists is the placement of sig on both occasions. On the surface sig feels like a comfortable town read, but Jay and I both approached Radishes' interactions from different ends of the spectrum, and we both came out of our respective exercises with negative opinions of sig.

[VOTE: sig] aubergine for now while I do some more digging.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei's Shoes is a p good band name

The Paprika Sneakas.

[Jackofhearts2005]

New Nutella is very very likely town.

Old Jack is very very likely mafia.

All I can say is you better be town or all your love taps and me being like “Epi is my fifth suspect at best” is gonna look like distancing and I’ll be annoyed.

Who's your partner?

My wife.

[Epignosis]

Sloonei's Shoes is a p good band name

The Paprika Sneakas.

I join your applause of that quip.

[Epignosis]

What I don't join is your sig vote. It makes no fucking sense to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

[Sloonei]

I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

[tedxtr]

The Limits of Power

"It's out of the question!" The heroes could hear the Monitor arguing with Harbinger from an antechamber. "If you try to wield power like that, it will consume you!" They couldn't hear Harbinger's voice as she replied. "You know the price... it's not yet time."

Harbinger strode quickly from the room, her face sad and angry. Seeing the heroes, she moved to them, saying, "He's wrong, I do have the power! We need to act now, before he's ready for us! Follow me!"

The heroes gathered behind her as she took them to a tightly sealed room, with three-foot thick titanium walls and door. "This room will shield the rest of the universe from what we're doing here. I'm going to open a portal to the Anti-Matter universe so that you can take this fight directly to the Anti-Monitor!"

The heroes looked uneasy. "I thought the Monitor said you couldn't-" began Agatha, before Harbinger cut her off sharply.

"We can't just sit around, waiting to get picked off by shadow demons!" She stood in the centre of the room, and held her arms up. "The Anti-Matter universe will feel rather strange, and crossing over creates a bit of reality shear, so try to hang on to your sense of self." Her hands glowed brightly, and an energy vortex formed in front of her.

Aja gulped. "My sense of self? What?"

"Ho ho hooo!" laughed Santa. "I guess we'll find out! Hope we've all been good!"

With that, the portal exploded open, and waves of force began emanating from it, causing the heroes to squint and shield their faces. "Move through!" cried Harbinger. "I don't know how long I can - AAIIIEEE!!" The glow from her hands began to spread down her arms to her shoulders. "GO!!"

The heroes rushed for the portal, but as they went through, they could see a few of the Anti-Monitor's goons waiting to ambush them on the other side. As they met, the clash of universes warped reality, causing normally stable things like distance, time, and proportion to vary wildly. After a quick battle which neither side was fully prepared for, the heroes broke through. King Dedede looked back once to Harbinger, whose entire body was covered by the glowing energy, and as the portal began to close behind them, the energy seemed to consume her entirely. Or did it? He couldn't be sure.

The portal snapped shit and vanished, and in the sudden silence, the heroes began to take stock of their situation, which included a couple of dead bodies.

Dyslexicon has been killed!

sabie12 has been killed! She was Uncle Fester, a baddie on the Anti-Monitor's team, from Addams Family Mafia by Epignosis.

Day 3 has begun!

I’m fucking goat

[Epignosis]

I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

How am I a mixed review?

[Sloonei]

What I don't join is your sig vote. It makes no fucking sense to me.

Why?

To be clear, I don't have a sound argument to lynch sig right now. My gut says he's town. But when I look at the results of the interactive analyses (which as we know is indisputable), sig's name stands out. I want to review that bone to see how much meat it has on it.

[Sloonei]

I left Dom and Epi off of the joint list. Both of them were listed as "incidentally present" on my list, which wasn't really a judgment of alignment either way. Radish named them as names, but didn't have a ton to say about either of them. Jay had Epi in his top tier of green reads, and Dom in the orange tier.

So put Epi in the "mixed reviews" category and Dom in "neutral/negative".

How am I a mixed review?

Jay says you're positive. I shrugged.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: G-Man ] aubergine

Let’s gooooooooooooooo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hey nanook here's my biggest problem with you. You keep using that weird af shrug emoji in every single post when we have not one but TWO excellent shrug emoji of our own. One of which was made by our own esteemed host Long Con.

I like my shrug emoji. It’s my favorite emoji

(It literally comes up when I type emoji)

[Epignosis]

I’m fucking goat

Look man, I don't judge. To each his own.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m fucking goat

Look man, I don't judge. To each his own.

[tedxtr]

Newcomers will be converted to syndicate emoji superiority in due time.

I like this one

[Sloonei]

I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

I compared our results and we both said sig looks like a compatible Radishes teammate. Gimme a quick take on that.

[tedxtr]

3 for 3 deal? Hmmmm

[Sloonei]

Hey nanook here's my biggest problem with you. You keep using that weird af shrug emoji in every single post when we have not one but TWO excellent shrug emoji of our own. One of which was made by our own esteemed host Long Con.

I like my shrug emoji. It’s my favorite emoji

(It literally comes up when I type emoji)

this reminds me that the other day i was texting someone and "GoC" came up as an autocorrect option.

[tedxtr]

I have major deadlines to honor, and there's no way I'm going to be able to keep up with this right now. I'm going to extract myself for the time being and just pop in for a look when I can. I think things are going swimmingly, so y'all carry on. If you want my take on something, @ me and ideally link me to something. I will try to get to it. Otherwise I will observe for myself.

I compared our results and we both said sig looks like a compatible Radishes teammate. Gimme a quick take on that.

To be fair, in hindsight, I suppose he could’ve faked that derp thing if he knew Radishes was wolf and was just looking for fake associations

[tedxtr]

I’m fucking goat

Look man, I don't judge. To each his own.

Yes we’re really happy together

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hey nanook here's my biggest problem with you. You keep using that weird af shrug emoji in every single post when we have not one but TWO excellent shrug emoji of our own. One of which was made by our own esteemed host Long Con.

I like my shrug emoji. It’s my favorite emoji

(It literally comes up when I type emoji)

this reminds me that the other day i was texting someone and "GoC" came up as an autocorrect option.

Why