Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[nutella]

Oh I said sig instead of Radish. You know what I meant, silly.

Suuuuuuuure

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think sig is a better lynch than Mac.

i.e.: there is wisdom in trying to weaken the other team. However, if there's a ~Smocking Gun~ about Mac being on the other team I have not seen it. I see a stronger case on sig.

[Sloonei]

He's your teammate lol. He could be on the master team even if you're not.

See this is what I mean. You are comfortable slagging off Sloonei in a way only teammates are. You've been saying this stuff for ages and haven't bothered doing anything with it. You're just distancing.

Nah. I've just had bigger fish to fry. He's helping with the sig thing. I'll come for him once the AM team is neutralized as per Dizzy's plan.

You're doing the same thing sig did, trying to link one of your teammates to a civ.

I hope that my towniness will show through once sig’s team is neutralized anyway, so whatever.

How would that even make sense

I’m fucking crushing it right now, but most of my efforts are gravitating towards one team. Once they’re gone, the tinfoil can be lifted from me.

No, that's consistent with you being on the Master team. Once you also crush the Master team, perhaps you meant But of course you could bus all your partners and claim the credit.... that's far fetched tho, especially since I've already got you on notice.

“Suspected by nutella” is my default state at this point.

[MacDougall]

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

I read both civilian

[MacDougall]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

[Sloonei]

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a kerfuffle. I’d struggle to even call it a hoopla.

[MacDougall]

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a kerfuffle. I’d struggle to even call it a hoopla.

Skirmish?

[juliets]

My smoking gun with sig is a specific moment in his handling of Radishes: during sig’s lone Day 2 post, he suggests that he had laid out his thoughts on Radishes in an ISO somewhere, but a thorough investigation of sig’s posts reveals absolutely no substantiated read on Radishes. If there’s a slip, it’s that. It has the feel of a player who had intended to produce a bullshit case on his teammate, but then never got around to it and simply forgot that was the case.

Sloonei, just playing devils advocate, I liked this point when you first made it but couldn't it be that town sig had started making notes on a Radish case but then never presented it and thought he had? I'm just trying to make sure, Mac has shaken my resolve a bit.

It’s possible. But I’ve pressed sig on this issue throughout the day and he hasn’t provided anything close to a satisfactory answer to this point, or any point relating to Radishes, which leads me to believe that he’s shaken and trying to downplay it because he doesn’t have a good answer in him.

Yeah, that's true. It's like my point that I haven't seen him provide a good explanation for saying Mac was targeted for the kill.

[Sloonei]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

That would be a complete disaster, tbh.

[Sloonei]

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a kerfuffle. I’d struggle to even call it a hoopla.

Skirmish?

A skirmish is worse than a kerfuffle, are you insane?

[MacDougall]

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a kerfuffle. I’d struggle to even call it a hoopla.

Skirmish?

A skirmish is worse than a kerfuffle, are you insane?

A donnybrook?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

[S~V~S]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

[MacDougall]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Insightful point Jay

[nutella]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Yeah Mac. You know I do this to Sloonei like every single game, exactly like this, right? I call him a suspect all game but somehow never get around to lynching him, because nobody else cares and because he's helpful anyway. He often turns out to be town and I feel silly, but I've been right enough times not to discard it. It'll go somewhere in due time if it must.

[Sloonei]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Insightful point Jay

I believe it was a question.

[Sloonei]

Welcome to the Sloonei Semantics Hour.

[nutella]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Yeah Mac. You know I do this to Sloonei like every single game, exactly like this, right? I call him a suspect all game but somehow never get around to lynching him, because nobody else cares and because he's helpful anyway. He often turns out to be town and I feel silly, but I've been right enough times not to discard it. It'll go somewhere in due time if it must.

why sloob bad

[MacDougall]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Insightful point Jay

I believe it was a question.

I took it as a rhetorical.

[nutella]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

The caveat being that the anti monitor's kills can't be protected, so if sig isn't that role this plan might not work. Also it looks like the other remaining role on that team has a switching power that could also potentially screw it up. Hmph.

[MacDougall]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

This plan seems to hinge on finding the fourth person and Sig being definitely Mafia.

[Sloonei]

Watching nutella and mac fight about how much they suspect me is the culmination of my entire mafia life and it's absolutely delightful.

[S~V~S]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

Yes, it does actually. That would perform the same basic function as eliminating them, since you could hunt for just one set of baddies, and the Masters would only be able to suspect civvies, which would make it harder to be them.

My point, though, was from the perspective of making the game easier to solve, having a one baddie team would be easier to solve, especially for the people who are mostly used to that kind of game. So a sig lynch ismore logical than a Mac lynch.

[MacDougall]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

The caveat being that the anti monitor's kills can't be protected, so if sig isn't that role this plan might not work. Also it looks like the other remaining role on that team has a switching power that could also potentially screw it up. Hmph.

So let's lynch Jack

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I took it as a rhetorical.

I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?

[Sloonei]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

This plan seems to hinge on finding the fourth person and Sig being definitely Mafia.

Correct.

[MacDougall]

Watching nutella and mac fight about how much they suspect me is the culmination of my entire mafia life and it's absolutely delightful.

I do believe I suspect you more

[MacDougall]

I took it as a rhetorical.

I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?

I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.

[nutella]

Watching nutella and mac fight about how much they suspect me is the culmination of my entire mafia life and it's absolutely delightful.

I do believe I suspect you more

Impossible!

Or maybe you actually just know that he's bad.

[Sloonei]

I took it as a rhetorical.

I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?

I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.

I’d ordinarily be bothered by this too, but given the prevalence of other suspects right now I’m indifferent.

[MacDougall]

Watching nutella and mac fight about how much they suspect me is the culmination of my entire mafia life and it's absolutely delightful.

I do believe I suspect you more

Impossible!

Or maybe you actually just know that he's bad.

Or perhaps you are just projecting your own insecurities

[sig]

Jay's last mone through on is scummy.

Jack was a lean mafia. By end of the phase bit not a major lynch target

The entire case on me is lame and basiclaly just throwing trust in dizzy, ignoring the level of info roles and the fact it was a theory.

I don't buy the whole teammate equity bullshit sinxe there are much more teammate potential people. Maybe from sloonie everyone else is voting mainly based off dizzy misconstrued idea and/or are mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

In range

[nutella]

I took it as a rhetorical.

I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?

I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.

Like I said, I've had bigger fish to fry. Sloonei hasn't been my top priority yet, and some of my suspicion of him is linked to your alignment (though not all of it). I haven't felt much pressing need to convince other people yet, though I did bring it up when Tony was discussing who could be your teammates, as that will become a necessary conversation soon.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

With two mafia teams the numbers are inherently unfavorable to civilians -- even if one entire team is perfectly eliminated starting now, what would most likely remain is a bad matchup by the numbers against the other team. I think it's pretty moot anyhow given that the mafia must be found. I endorse lynching the top suspect regardless of the suspected team.

[juliets]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I just did a command F through Jack's ISO looking for mentions of sabie. The first mention I found of her he is saying he can't read her until late game which could be a way to avoid talking about her but then he goes on to suspect her, mentioning her in several different posts. There is one post that gives me pause even though he was joking when he replied to her by saying "Be quiet and get under the bus". Funny but hmmm.

Is your thought that he was trying to distance from her or did you have something specific in mind with regard to their connection that I couldn't see in his ISO?

lots of linki

[MacDougall]

I took it as a rhetorical.

I pursue an answer. I think they both look to form; you don't. What is to form?

I am missing the earnest attempt to persuade others from nutella. I would expect more pomp.

Like I said, I've had bigger fish to fry. Sloonei hasn't been my top priority yet, and some of my suspicion of him is linked to your alignment (though not all of it). I haven't felt much pressing need to convince other people yet, though I did bring it up when Tony was discussing who could be your teammates, as that will become a necessary conversation soon.

I was answering Jay

[sig]

Jay's last minute through on is so bad

Dom sounds crazy and tunnely hes just redirdxtdd from mac to me.

Like yea totally my teammates all of I guess one made me come vack sinxe no civ ever would get pissed about being mislynchrd for no good reason again. Sure right whatever

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall I just did a command F through Jack's ISO looking for mentions of sabie. The first mention I found of her he is saying he can't read her until late game which could be a way to avoid talking about her but then he goes on to suspect her, mentioning her in several different posts. There is one post that gives me pause even though he was joking when he replied to her by saying "Be quiet and get under the bus". Funny but hmmm.

Is your thought that he was trying to distance from her or did you have something specific in mind with regard to their connection that I couldn't see in his ISO?

lots of linki

Now read her

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't buy the whole teammate equity bullshit sinxe there are much more teammate potential people.

Who?

[MacDougall]

Jay's last minute through on is so bad

Dom sounds crazy and tunnely hes just redirdxtdd from mac to me.

Like yea totally my teammates all of I guess one made me come vack sinxe no civ ever would get pissed about being mislynchrd for no good reason again. Sure right whatever

So unvote me and vote for mafia

[speedchuck]

Do we know how ties are decided?

I hope we don't have a tie. Wether is no lynch or a RNG, this sucks.

There is a town role that decides ties unless it is dead.

I could not find that in the roles.

King Dedede? From Kirby mafia? I see it on page one.

[TonyStarkPrime]

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

No. Bad. Wrong.

[MacDougall]

Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo

[Epignosis]

I think sig is a better lynch than Mac.

Why?

[speedchuck]

But we need it to be more than that.

@Michelle? @speedchuck?

What?

[sig]

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I think sig is a better lynch than Mac.

i.e.: there is wisdom in trying to weaken the other team. However, if there's a ~Smocking Gun~ about Mac being on the other team I have not seen it. I see a stronger case on sig.

Never mind.