Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[tedxtr]

So far you've been avoiding locking me town when you know how easy it is, you've just vaguely went about describing my meta but not reaching any conclusion based on it.

linki : to michelle.

[Michelle]

I'm about 80% sure Jay is scum. Which is a compliment!

I'm totally prepared to dig into Speed, Sloonei and GMan should I be correct. I'm just thinking one thing at a time.

Winning strategy might be lynch a master -> lynch antimonitor -> lynch master -> lynch master.

I'm not worried about the last neutral at all.

Should probably read Dizzy to figure out what role they had. Could make a difference.

I'm also under the impression that Dom had BTSC with both Epi and Dizzy, which should increase the chances of them being town and mostly roughly clear them of being Antimonitor because Antimonitor had no safeclaim as far as I can tell and the bodies are piling up.

@Michelle the more you can post the better. I townread you. I don't want a repeat of Danganronpa where I incorrectly POE you and I really don't want a repeat of Mountainous (which was an amazing game nontheless) or Girl Genius where I give you the benefit of the doubt until it's too late. Ie keep doing what you're doing right now.

I will do my digs itt. But.
I need Jack of the Mountainous who searched all the thread for evidence even if he was wrong in that game.

I also need Ted of that game... who was correct but no one believed him.
I just realised why this happened. Because he didn't show a progression and came suddenly with a logical approach that mafia players are ignoring usually.

Sorry this post has a meaning just for Jack and Ted :-)

Spoiler: show

i would like to tell about old games but we need to focus on this one

let's do the yellow

[Michelle]

So far you've been avoiding locking me town when you know how easy it is, you've just vaguely went about describing my meta but not reaching any conclusion based on it.

linki : to michelle.

I am like 75% sure you are town. I don't want to lynch you. I need your help.

It's not really a case in one post it's like scattered suspicion.

And I'm not sure what the snark is about, given you were the one to say you were gonna check out my ISO like 7 times already. Why are you dragging it?

Moreover, if you have that meta knowledge of me, you know you can get a read on me from like the first page of my ISO or so.

I wanted to read it and every time I started i had a rl thing who stopped me. My every time impression is you are villager. But I need more from you and you were avoiding things and made me paranoid.

[tedxtr]

I also need Ted of that game... who was correct but no one believed him.

This is literally me right here, I'm correct and nobody believes me.

[Michelle]

Like what is wrong with answering at the question of what makes you villager in your own eyes?

[Michelle]

I also need Ted of that game... who was correct but no one believed him.

This is literally me right here, I'm correct and nobody believes me.

ok. I will vote GMan. Let's do this.
[VOTE: gman] aubergine

[tedxtr]

Oh God

IS IT FINALLY HAPPENING????????????

[Michelle]

now i will restart my research.

Ted you may do the same. And give me GMan's team from your oppinion.

[Michelle]

Oh God

IS IT FINALLY HAPPENING????????????

I was asking for trust few days ago in other game. I can understand the need to be trusted.
Now is your turn to play, you have my support today.

[tedxtr]

you have no idea how this small choice right here can win you the game, you won't be disappointed

[speedchuck]

I'm super weirded out by this conversation.

I keep going back and forth on whether it looks scripted. I think it's just the familiarity Michelle and Ted have from another game that is making me think that. But man, it's weird.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

[speedchuck]

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

Aye, but I think Jay should be lynched first.

[Michelle]

I'm super weirded out by this conversation.

I keep going back and forth on whether it looks scripted. I think it's just the familiarity Michelle and Ted have from another game that is making me think that. But man, it's weird.

We played last time on my homesite and lock each other villagers. Scum made implosion. Looks weird from outside, but if I am wrong and you see this you can make another kind of statement which can proove it. The fact you just show disapointment at our familiarity is strange tbh.
If you are villager can you make useful amd villagery things?

[Sloonei]

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

[Sloonei]

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

It’s not.

[Sloonei]

What’s the argument for g-man being mac’s teammate?

[Sloonei]

Why is tedxtr town?

[Michelle]

I believe Sloonei and juliets are civilians. That hasn't always been the consensus. Those who disagree: say your piece and I will listen.

There are only 5 civies left. Add you and me.

Is there only one civilian in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted?

Wait wait. 11 players. 3 vs 1 vs 1 vs 6.

Six civies. So two in Speed, Tranq, Tony, Epi, Ted, Michelle and GMan.

Is that reasonable?

I think it's half of a thought ...can you show me why are you clearing anyone ?

Copy pasted from the poll:

Epignosis
juliets
Jackofhearts2005 - green peeked
Michelle - in Jack's poe
JaggedJimmyJay - Jack reads him civvie in the quoted post.
Sloonei
G-Man - in Jack's poe
speedchuck - in Jack's poe
tedxtr - in Jack's poe
TonyStarkPrime - in Jack's poe
Tranq - in Jack's poe

Fill up the blancs with your thoughts on everyone please.

You left Epi off the “in Jack’s poe” count.

my bad, it was by mistake. Small screen on phone and such.

[Michelle]

Why is tedxtr town?

why is not?

[Sloonei]

Why is tedxtr town?

why is not?

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

It’s not.

Suppose it's Jay. Who else?

[Jackofhearts2005]

The mark for lynching Ted, like the mark for lynching GMan, is not "I can't think of a reason why he's town."

[juliets]

Tex/Michelle are my early town read
Jay and nanook early meh reada

Tex vs JJJ as opposed AI for Sig

oppinions?

Michelle, my apologies but can you explain a little more what your statement means?

I didn't say on purpose my oppinion.

What do you think /feel reading that post?

Well, I don't think Jay is anti-monitor because of his vote record so I think he is trying to shade Jay and Nanook as opposed to distancing from Jay.

TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis ,
speedchuck ,
Tranq ,
Jackofhearts2005
What do you think?

Michelle, since you are asking everyone what they think about my post you must disagree with my opinion. Do you think Jay is the Anti-Monitor? Why? I'm saying if he's bad I think he's on the Master team, not the team with Radish and sig who he voted for.

[juliets]

G-man did do scummy things though

and saying just because the low posters were in a major proportion town doesn't clear the remaining ones in the slightest.

I don't even know what you're stringing jimmy for, I do remember his TH interaction being terribad but I wouldn't lynch just on that tbh.

I'm not clearing GMan in the slightest either.

Yeah I'm not either but [mention]tedxtr[/mention] you say G-Man did scummy things. The scummy thing I remember is he spent time posting oompah loompa posts when he told us he didn't have a lot of time to post and those posts didn't have much content. What else is there? I agree with Michelle that he was helpful in our dream level, though from what Dom and S~V~S said he is dangerous as a player. So help me out here, what else is there on him?

[speedchuck]

Oompa Loompa Doobity Day,
We will only win if we try and lynch Jay

[tedxtr]

How the fuck does my behavior today point to me being on master’s team, what?????

It doesn’t and that’s not what I said. Process of elimination and your interactions suggest you are on that team. Your behavior today is independently suspicious.

so in other words you can't pin me on any team but i'm scummy and should get lynched. even though you don't have any team mates set up with me.

[tedxtr]

Oompa Loompa Doobity Day,
We will only win if we try and lynch Jay

who's we?

[tedxtr]

I honestly don't know why I have to make a compelling scum case on G-Man because there is none. My point is he's done nothing. Nada. Zero.

There's barely anything for me to point out, the shtick with oompa loompa doompa dippity squeakitty ittsy bitsy thing was horrible as I saw it as his way of dealing with pressure, but my whole point is that there is nothing town about him, and there should be.

I don't know what this is called in psychology, but what you are doing is saying "There's no way JFK was assassinated by a nobody" because he was a nobody. "There's no way G-Man is scum because he hasn't done anything that outs him as scum" is a bad argument to make in general on a slot that has 10 posts and 8 were hidden behind a shtick so I couldn't snipe his scum tone.

It's as simple as there's nothing that makes him town and that's all you're having. It doesn't always have to be "He's scum because...", sometimes the lack of a town agenda or anything that can be identified as town behaviour is enough.

Hiding behind a shtick and deliberately choosing to maintain the idea of him being cursed by not refuting it only when he was in danger of being lynched and he saw the shtick didn't work - is enough of a reason to place him at some sort of scum position.

It's anti-town to hide behind shticks. It's anti-town to not call out that you aren't cursed, just trolling. Him doing it only when he's in danger of being lynched is the scummiest thing I've ever seen. HE LET THE IDEA OF HIM BEING CURSED SKATE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE TOWN READING IT, and when people had enough of it, he dropped it.

[speedchuck]

I honestly don't know why I have to make a compelling scum case on G-Man because there is none. My point is he's done nothing. Nada. Zero.

...

I don't know what this is called in psychology, but what you are doing is saying "There's no way JFK was assassinated by a nobody" because he was a nobody. "There's no way G-Man is scum because he hasn't done anything that outs him as scum" is a bad argument to make in general on a slot that has 10 posts and 8 were hidden behind a shtick so I couldn't snipe his scum tone.

There are other players who have done nothing too. Why are you so SURE G-man is scum?

Nobody is saying G-man cannot be scum. You are arguing against imaginary people. Point out one person in this game who is saying "There's no way G-Man is scum because he hasn't done anything that outs him as scum."

You are harping on an easy target. A lot of people are okay with lynching g-man but nobody wants to lynch him right now because there are more compelling fish to fry. Fish that HAVE done scummy things other than a lack of contribution.

[tedxtr]

G-man's not an easy target because for 7 fucking phases people said they don't want to lynch him.

I have asked for what Jay has done and I asked who are his team mates and my questions still remain to be answered by someone.

[tedxtr]

you snipped the part of the quote where i was actually giving you some reasoning that I find scum indicative

but scummers gotta keep scumming i guess

[Sloonei]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

[tedxtr]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

[tedxtr]

Ok, I'll vote Jay only if you guys follow me on G-man if you're wrong

how's that?

i'm compromising.

i want verbal confirmation.

[juliets]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

But Sloonei, could he be the Anti-Monitor? Remember this?

Okay so the fact that I have had 6 unmoved votes on me for the past 2 hours approaching deadline is a pretty solid indication that both scum teams are on my wagon imo.

The fact that Jack/TH/G-Man and Radishes wagons have all had no momentum strongly indicates at least 1, probably more of them are solid wagons.

I am not letting you lynch me today. So figure out where to put your vote that isn't me. This ain't happening.

Okay, I don’t trust Sloonei, so I can’t vote for Radish. I’m not crazy enough to vote for myself (yet). That leaves TH. I don’t have a handle on the case for lynching him, so care to share? There’s too much post-vomit to sift through and I’ve got ironing to do.

That was him not voting for Radish.

And then I'm pretty sure N3 at the last minute he jumped from sig to Mac. I'll post that when I find it.

Maybe there's a reason he can't be the Anti-Monitor, please bring it up if there is. I'm reading through him right now.

[juliets]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] ^ ^

[Sloonei]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei ^ ^

See my response.

[Sloonei]

And also pretend I didn’t make any typos.

[juliets]

So G-Man doesn't put vote tags on when he votes, and unfortunately the Day 3 poll has the end time cut off but my memory is this was close to the end:

Mac currently leads by 1.

G Man moved his vote

Oh, you noticed.

and S~V~S's response a little later talking about G-Man's vote (I include this because her pointing out the vote was last minute):

My radar is batting zero this game, walking away for tonight.

we don't even have a flip yet

I'm just super disappointed at the last minute vote change, I feel like I trusted someone I maybe shouldn't have, and I think we would have learned more from a sig lynch. I am getting lectured and my reads are shit, lol. I was really invested in this lynch and I guess I am just disappointed.

[juliets]

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

[tedxtr]

I'm not switching unless I have verbal confirmation from everyone.

[juliets]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

Sloonei, I'll think about this but I didn't see the evidence that he forgot we were playing with two mafia teams. And then the move from sig to Mac at the last minute the next day on top of this just doesn't look good to me. But I will ponder what you're saying.

[juliets]

I'm not switching unless I have verbal confirmation from everyone.

Oh right I see that now.

[Sloonei]

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Why does ted’s vote make you want to stop talking about g-man?

[Sloonei]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

Sloonei, I'll think about this but I didn't see the evidence that he forgot we were playing with two mafia teams. And then the move from sig to Mac at the last minute the next day on top of this just doesn't look good to me. But I will ponder what you're saying.

He voted on the wagon opposite my vote because he did not trust me. That looks like a player’s mafia instincts kicking in: “I suspect Sloonei, therefore I distrust the wagon he is voting on.” It doesn’t make sense in this game, but it is applicable to a normal game. I guess “forgot” is a strong word.

The alternative is that he made up a poor excuse because he was under pressure. That is not impossible. I lean in favor of the former.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ok I see ted saying he is changing to Jay so I'll stop with the G-Man posts. Sloonei, I will read what you wrote.

I guess we need to resolve Jay this lynch. The people I trust as town are voting for him, I think Dom thought he was bad and we keep talking about it and talking about it. I think we have to get past it to sort the rest out. I can't be the only one thinking he is town - it's too much like what happened with Radish and with Elephant in Inception.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

That's why I said I wish this had happened yesterday. If I am lynched today, the civilian margin for error becomes essentially zero. It's too late to "get past it". A mafioso needs to be lynched immediately and I'm not it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

G-man is town because of his vote for Mac on Day 2.

So just because he voted for one person on one of the teams, he's locked town or something?

No. Why are you being so dismissive?

G-man entered at the last moment without a vote. It was three way race between Radishes, Mac, and TH. G-man chose Mac because he didn’t trust me, and my vote was on Radishes at the time.

That’s a tremendously bad look and a clumsy play of G-man is a teammate of Radish. It’s also a completely unnecessary step toward endangering his partner if he’s Mac’s teammate. The mindset he projected in casting his vote against my vote suggested an honest civilian who temporarily forgot we were playing a game with tao mafia teams.

Alternative notion:

Radish was lynched Day 2, not Mac. If G-Man is Mac's teammate, he doesn't know how Radish will flip. The Mac vote provides distance without actually delivering the lynch, and G-Man is then not held responsible for a possible Radish mislynch -- indeed, he has set the table to blame you instead.

[tedxtr]

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