Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[speedchuck]

Tranq has 31 posts. That's impressive.

You mean that he's still alive with only 31 posts?

Yeah. Must be a real good 31 posts.

[Epignosis]

I think it's time for a [VOTE: ted] aubergine talk.

[Epignosis]

Tranq has 31 posts. That's impressive.

You mean that he's still alive with only 31 posts?

Yeah. Must be a real good 31 posts.

What is your opinion of them?

[speedchuck]

Tranq has 31 posts. That's impressive.

You mean that he's still alive with only 31 posts?

Yeah. Must be a real good 31 posts.

What is your opinion of them?

I have 31 posts worth of one.

Not much. I'll have one by EOD.

[tedxtr]

Okay I can’t trust any of you potato heads but I’m pinning it as Jules Epi Me. If you are town and you are not in this group, please wave your hand wildly.

Hi i’m waving my hand aggressively

Read Jay’s posts, read Michelle’s posts

The only thing i was ever accused of was being the antimonitor and with him being dead i don’t see why i’m not being town read.

[tedxtr]

People pushing a sig v mac narrative are deflecting from the real scum wagon that ought to be lynched is g-man

The deep wolf that’s not even a deep wolf

[VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

Night

If someone wants to CFD juliets i don’t mind tbh but the general feeling i get is that the game won’t continue in normal parametres unless sig and mac get lynched

So i will probably take my time to finish my projects and will be checking in more rarely until we’re over with this stalemate and yeah, feel free to mention me in posts cuz i’m probably only checking those for the next few days

ted, how do you get from the first post to the second post in four posts? I do not see any sense of progression here.

Pretty sure I posted that Mac got TMI’d by like 3 people so there’s no way he was town there. Sig tmi’d him, sprit tmi’d him, which was the crux of my argument for voting mac there and it’s why i was suspicious of people pushing for a sig lynch.

[tedxtr]

Also if you think I’d ever kill the only person who has meta games to back me up here you’re tripping hard. If I were scum I’d just kill Epi here.

[tedxtr]

I think most “cases” on me are straight up fearmongering my slot and are reaching hard to look at me as scum. Juliet’s commentary comes to mind, there’s nothing there except for me being “misguided” whatever that meant, misguided on G-Man, misguided on Mac, misguided on someone else. By the way, she said my push was misguided on Mac when she has said that she was also town reading Mac. I don’t know what misguided means, because that seems like a word that better describes a town than a scum.

Look at interactions between Tranq and Sloonei and decide for yourselves. Jay has already put in the work for me and sloonei and conversely, sloonei and me. Also for me and mac I think. You have it right there. Michelle wanted a town!me case, there it was.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Tranq ] aubergine

[tedxtr]

People pushing a sig v mac narrative are deflecting from the real scum wagon that ought to be lynched is g-man

The deep wolf that’s not even a deep wolf

[VOTE: Mac ] aubergine

Night

If someone wants to CFD juliets i don’t mind tbh but the general feeling i get is that the game won’t continue in normal parametres unless sig and mac get lynched

So i will probably take my time to finish my projects and will be checking in more rarely until we’re over with this stalemate and yeah, feel free to mention me in posts cuz i’m probably only checking those for the next few days

ted, how do you get from the first post to the second post in four posts? I do not see any sense of progression here.

Pretty sure I posted that Mac got TMI’d by like 3 people so there’s no way he was town there. Sig tmi’d him, sprit tmi’d him, which was the crux of my argument for voting mac there and it’s why i was suspicious of people pushing for a sig lynch.

Last one was Dom that was acting weird around mac, he probably had some info from BTSC or something

[Tranq]

Though I was serious about the Dizzy part.

What did Dizzy do that wasn't civ??

He lied but that's all I can say. You only have my word for it but I wouldn't have brought it up if it weren't to the detriment of the civs. I don't think he's town.

juliets, is the lie you're talking about in Dizzy's last post here ? If it is what i think it is, it is a very good and smart lie for a dead civ to make.
Dyslexicon got killed on Night 2. That's the same night sig switched Michelle and sabie, according to Turnip Head. Looking at the roles and items, i see no way how Dyslexicon wouldn't be the intended target.

Nanook is probably 3p at this point.

Here he also speculates about who could be 3p. So i don't think he's Akechi either.

[tedxtr]

I don’t know why you can’t talk about Dizzy’s posts, juliets, the idea was that ghosts can’t talk anymore, not that we couldn’t talk about theirs

[Tranq]

tedxtr, let's talk. I think the last 2 mafia are you and speedchuck. What are your thoughts on speedchuck?

[tedxtr]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

[tedxtr]

At this point I think you’re locked, you’d have to sell me the holy grail of mafia cases to lynch anyone other than you here.

[Tranq]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

[tedxtr]

I quite frankly have no idea, I just know you are scum with a flipped wolf off interactions.

What does Sloonei being killed on Night 7 have anything to do with my suspicion on you? Are you softing to yourself making the kill or what?

[tedxtr]

Too many suspicious people around here, you could literally be with any of them.

[juliets]

Though I was serious about the Dizzy part.

What did Dizzy do that wasn't civ??

He lied but that's all I can say. You only have my word for it but I wouldn't have brought it up if it weren't to the detriment of the civs. I don't think he's town.

juliets, is the lie you're talking about in Dizzy's last post here ? If it is what i think it is, it is a very good and smart lie for a dead civ to make.
Dyslexicon got killed on Night 2. That's the same night sig switched Michelle and sabie, according to Turnip Head. Looking at the roles and items, i see no way how Dyslexicon wouldn't be the intended target.

Nanook is probably 3p at this point.

Here he also speculates about who could be 3p. So i don't think he's Akechi either.

You are dead on regarding the N2 switch - it was sabie and Michelle. I forgot that when looking at the night.

I won't speak to which posts I was talking about but I'm conceding on the Dizzy thing. You're right about the switch and about the items. There's too much evidence he isn't bad and you bring up a good point about the 3P. When the game is over I'll show you what I was looking at and I think you'll see why I was so concerned, but you have convinced me I must just be wrong.

[juliets]

[mention]Tranq[/mention] do you have a leading candidate for a vote today or not ready to commit yet?

[Tranq]

@Tranq do you have a leading candidate for a vote today or not ready to commit yet?

tedxtr or speedchuck. I'm ok with either one, really.

You?

[juliets]

@Tranq do you have a leading candidate for a vote today or not ready to commit yet?

tedxtr or speedchuck. I'm ok with either one, really.

You?

I want to review Michelle's latest posts but I'm leaning towards the same two.

[juliets]

One thing I'm wondering about ted though is would he have agreed to kill Michelle when she was the only one really town reading him.

[speedchuck]

@Tranq do you have a leading candidate for a vote today or not ready to commit yet?

tedxtr or speedchuck. I'm ok with either one, really.

You?

I want to review Michelle's latest posts but I'm leaning towards the same two.

Really now. Please do tell more, both of you.

If you'd like to parse Jay's analysis (his only chance of surviving was to get us to lynch the enemy team instead of him, so there may be some reliable info in there) then it might be helpful.

[juliets]

@Tranq do you have a leading candidate for a vote today or not ready to commit yet?

tedxtr or speedchuck. I'm ok with either one, really.

You?

I want to review Michelle's latest posts but I'm leaning towards the same two.

Really now. Please do tell more, both of you.

If you'd like to parse Jay's analysis (his only chance of surviving was to get us to lynch the enemy team instead of him, so there may be some reliable info in there) then it might be helpful.

Yes I do intend to do that too.

[Tranq]

If you'd like to parse Jay's analysis (his only chance of surviving was to get us to lynch the enemy team instead of him, so there may be some reliable info in there) then it might be helpful.

Ok:

speedchuck on Sloonei

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@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

Michelle? speedchuck?

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Ah, better to gank the -2 vote thing earlier than later. Yes. I'll stick with that then.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

That’s what I’m wondering

These are the candidates to be the last remaining member of the sig/sabie/radishes team. Mac is not on that team.

Lol it's like the inverse of that Mac/Dom misunderstanding from a day ago

Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

sig

Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

Need five town other than me out of the following.

speedchuck

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle
G-Man

Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

I have negative reads on Michelle that have been assuaged by the meta of not having played her before. I had a positive light of G-man because we were suspected for generally the same reasons early-game, but it doesn't feel concrete now.
I don't recall reading anything from the T's. Maybe because I payed most attention to this game around the time of the split, and regarding feelings during the split.

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

Aye, but I think Jay should be lynched first.

G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Townreading me wins you the game if you're town. Good reason right there.

@G-Man why was sloonei the best choice to receive your vote on Day 2?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

I don't know what thread you're reading.

I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Preach!

Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

There was no case on G-man other than 'he's busy, he did a gimmick and later self-voted'

Meanwhile Jay's over here making love to his scum meta with Sloonei cheering him on.

There is one thing I don't like here. Toward the end when speedchuck was campaigning in his cranky way to destroy me, he always tacked Sloonei's name with me. Both of us were bad, but I had to die first. For reasons y'all will soon understand, that's a problem. The connection is meaningless, and it only serves to protect Sloonei in a roundabout way.

Generally I don't think it's speedchuck, but he should still answer to that.

Jay, are you saying you think speedchuck knows who you are and that's why it's problematic that he thought you should go first?

It leaves the potential that speedchuck knows who Sloonei is, and that I am not on Sloonei's team. By gluing us together like that and insisting I die first, he protects Sloonei two-fold. Sloonei doesn't get lynched, and when I flip civilian it makes Sloonei look better too -- the connection is severed.

I agree with JJJ.

[Tranq]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] The main thing i have on you (and tedxtr) is that i think everyone else is civ. There's not much you can do about that.
Earlier in the game i had you down as not-Master based on your Mac vote. But as Epignosis pointed out, you only changed your vote to Mac because Nanook casually asked you to. That vote is not enough to clear you as a suspect.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia are? Please name them.

[juliets]

From Michelle:

Spoiler: show

OooOOoOoOooooOooOOOOooo FEEL MY GHOSTLY WRATH! oOOoOOoOoOOOOOoooOoo

Hi. Let's be strategic here.

And the reason to vote Sig over Mac is like...to show moral support for ghost Dizzy or because Mac is your teammate or whatever.

No, sir. You and @@TonyStarkPrime are both incorrect. First of all your game theory analysis doesn't work. But never mind that right now, because that isn't that relevant.

***Here's a better reason to lynch Sig first:

It's the Anti-monitor's turn to NK this night. Sig is 100 % an Anti-monitor according to Dizzy ghostly godness. So that will leave only one person left alone on that team. This in turns mean we can isolate that player for the rest of the game with blocking and jailkeeping. Which mean we will have no mafia kills on odd nights. We don't even have to lynch them before lynching the other team.

This way the other team will not inherit the kill, and we can start already today to block or prevent the lone killer to take action.

Therefore:
- Get rid of the 3rd person on the Anti-Monitor team. (Sig)
- Block or jail suspects for the 4th person. (Ted I guess.) You could even plan that whoever is jailkeeper jails Ted, and whoever is JAOT blocks someone else.
- Get a NK free odd night for the rest of the game, plus confirmation of who the last member is.

FUFUFUFUFUFUFU, I just looked at the roles. And if Sig is not the Anti-monitor then this will not actually work, because that role's kills can't be protected against. I don't know the specific mechanics, but it's at least 50 % chance that this works. And the rewards are great.

***Info dump is not allowed. But I assume here that planning an action together (without knowing who will do it) is not prohibited. @Long Con

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Tony,

Spoiler: show

you don't seem to have read my post very well or be very interested. That is fine. You do you. But I believe in my case as I believed in Radish, Sabie and as I believed in you the last game we played. *hair flip*

Mac could flip mafia, independent or town with kill protect. This will all incriminate Sig. He's likely mafia or independent imo.
Sig will flip mafia, as his interaction with Radish/Sabie is oof and his reaction to my case is to try and sell it in as both a role/prize info (on N1 mind you) and as a totally random Sig idea.

None of the flips depend more or less on each other. Mac flipping town will not make Sig look good. He still wrote the things that he did. He still has the interactions he has. It's more of a call between who you think are more likely to flip scum (which is both tbh), but also that flipping a third teammate on the Radish/Sabie team now will give us the possibility to prevent a night kill every odd night starting this night. This is hugely helpful.

I still think Tony is more likely town oOOoOOooooo

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I’ll eat something, i’ll be here for autographs and interviews in 30 mins or so

You are making the same mistake as Radish. This posturing of confidence makes you look so guilty. You are a prime next target.

Sig's basically saying that a protective role WOULDN'T have targeted mac and thus, he would have other tools at his disposal to survive the night. scummy ones.

But how did Sig know that Mac was the NK target in the first place?
SVS presented that there were numerous ways that whoever was targeted did not die.
Sig only considered that there were ways Mac specifically would have avoided to die.

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@nutella , @Epignosis I don't know if you remember the game we were final 4 with Scotty as scum. I insisted that he had a mindslip that could only come from scum, and he didn't understand the accusation of all. A lot of the time scum won't understand what about their mindset that is inherently scummy and insist that they didn't slip. I think this is happening here.

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OoooooOoooOoOOOOOOooooo

Ultimately - I'm dead. It's your responsibility. But I think the potential rewards of lynching Sig and being able to block one of the NKs is very high. I realize it doesn't necessarily work depending on Sig's specific role, but I do think it's worth a try. I think the mindset that either Sig's or Mac's scumminess is dependent on each other's flip is flawed. One scum flip will mean almost 100 % the other is scum. But a potential town flip will not exonerate either.

However, if you all are more sure that Mac is scum then go ahead, I guess. I don't think Mac is town either.

We're not in a bad position, but I think we should make the most of it anyway. It's very difficult to win a multiball game for town. We are doing well, but we need all tools at our disposal. So my vote is to vote Sig first. /however many cents.

Anyhow, good luck. And I will probably write more reads and stuff next phase. I just felt it was important to point out Sig's scummery.

I can't respond more today after this. Good luck and go town!

reposting this

I know Epi hates this but I have to post it anyway:

ColinIsCool
Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Nanook
sprityo
tedxtr
Turnip Head

Those are the players in this thread. They will be the only ones in the poll.

1. Epi or Ted

OR

2. Epi and Ted

OR

3. None of them = level one full of villas and all baddies in dream levels? Can this be?

It looks like she was not considering Tony as bad. She mentions Epi too but later says she is suspicious of him.

Jack, Dom, and juliets are not on Mac’s team. Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

The anti-monitor is between Jay, Tony, Epi, or Dom for me. Dom seems the least likely of the bunch. I have no explicit reason to eliminate G-man, but I am not feeling that it’s him.

Thats not what your last rainbow said.

Let's take the sentences at right value.

Not Mac's team: Juliets
AM between: Jay, Tony, Epi

With the post quoted above looks like he really wanted Tony and Epi shaded and he kind of gives a damn of Jay's slot.

Though, he doesn't put Juliets as possible AM. I am sure he explained this before.

I keep Tony and Epi as looking better from lower probability of being Sloonei's team mates.

rest is wifom. *sighs

This is what I was talking about before, a reason why ted would not kill Michelle. I know she posted the link to a town ted game, [mention]tedxtr[/mention] do you have a scum game I could look at?

Reading through Jay's post about Ted I had a town Ted vibe from the quoted posts.
Town Ted is often wrong in a sure way and get mislynched players with his conviction.
Idk how are looking his latest scum games because I only saw him villager since his mafia hiatus from autumn. But he was more blendy as scum.
If I am allowed to post a link to an outside forum I will post a recent town Ted game.

Michelle and I agreed that there was likely a wolf on each level but we disagreed on who it might be:

Yeah I’ve been slacking this game

But it’s been on purpose I assure you

If anything I would be fine with taking the L for today, since we as a town have been doing really good.

Also let’s not forget the mechanics of inception mafia today, there’s at least one mafia for each level if it’s staying true to the original

Yeah Michelle I thought this too. Epi has argued that this may not be true and the main level could have been all civs but I still think there was at least one on each level. That would mean either Epi or ted was bad. I chose ted but obviously need to take into consideration what you are saying about ted. I'm not convinced though that Epi is bad.

Epi not reading the thread as villager I already saw. BUT. idk :/ looks bad.

Further suspicion of Epi:

The only bored and never understanding players were until now only mafia aligned from my Pov.

How come Epi is villager with these posts?

Even though she suspected Epi it doesn't sway me to see him as bad because it would have been easy for the Masters team to kill her to make Epi look bad. Also, I didn't see anyone changing their mind about Epi based on her posts. Who knows though, tricky game is tricky.

[juliets]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], my reason for suspecting you is the same as Tranq - POE. I'll also look at Jay's last posts but the ones Tranq pointed out are not in your favor.

[speedchuck]

If you'd like to parse Jay's analysis (his only chance of surviving was to get us to lynch the enemy team instead of him, so there may be some reliable info in there) then it might be helpful.

Ok:

speedchuck on Sloonei

Spoiler: show

@speedchuck do you have any developed thoughts on jack and/or nutella? What about anyone else in the game?

I think the Jack/Nutella thing was interesting, primarily because of reactions to it. Tedxtr's reaction was notable, like he was incredibly pro-nutella and focused on nutella. Dunno if that's changed.

@tedxtr do you know nutella prior to this?

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

What?

we were looking for people to join the sig wagon for mechanical reasons.

I'm pressed for time. I'd like more than 'mechanical reasons' as an explanation.

but [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

If sig is mafia he has a 50% chance of starting the day with -2 votes on him. If we are inclined to lynch him and neutralize his team today, it is ideal to give him a comfortable lead in the poll.

Ah, better to gank the -2 vote thing earlier than later. Yes. I'll stick with that then.

Yes

What happened to mac

That’s what I’m wondering

These are the candidates to be the last remaining member of the sig/sabie/radishes team. Mac is not on that team.

Lol it's like the inverse of that Mac/Dom misunderstanding from a day ago

This is actually a terrible look for Speed.

I'm not concerned about that. I've kept up with the game enough to think Mac was going to flip Anti-Monitor. I was surprised to see Saitama.

Saitama is exactly the role sig said he thought Mac was though back on d2 and the one that makes sense with all the theories. But ok.

Yea it reeks for speed honestly. I've been going after this and specifically this role forever.

And you expect me to have read any of those posts... why?

I skimmed Dizzy's post, then voted. After the lynch, I saw Sloonei and Juliets having a conversation like this:

"Sloonei is still a prime suspect."
"I don't get it, why?"

And I'm like WTF did something not go as planned? Mac seems to have flipped scum. What's going on?

So I asked.

I’ve argued against town reads on myself as town before.

Why though.

Sometimes because I don’t want things about me to be misconstrued, other times because I want to get a better read on the person reading me.

omigawd nuance.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It looks like you need to show me where you talked about the reasons to townread you.

Of the six Jay voters, Tony, Dom, Epi, Tranq, TH and myself, I only see the potential for two of them to even be baddies.

Of the six Sig voters, Ted, Michelle, Speed, Nanook, Sloonei and Juliets, I have mixed feelings about all of them.

Is it two of the T's? Which ones?

As for the wagons themselves... I'm okay with lynching Jay, but not lynching sig seems really weird.

Tranq and TH.

Can you give us a rainbow or proposed players for each team? I’m picking up your opinions on specific issues but not where you’re at overall.

speedchuck

Dom
Jackofhearts2005
G-Man
Epignosis
juliets

Dragomir
ColinIsCool
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle

Turnip Head
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Something like that. It's difficult, since there are two teams, and there are multiple players in there I don't recall reading any posts from. Lots of players in this game. Proposed players for each team would be harder still.
I think my individual takes are probably more useful.

Need five town other than me out of the following.

speedchuck

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Tranq

Michelle
G-Man

Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
tedxtr

I have negative reads on Michelle that have been assuaged by the meta of not having played her before. I had a positive light of G-man because we were suspected for generally the same reasons early-game, but it doesn't feel concrete now.
I don't recall reading anything from the T's. Maybe because I payed most attention to this game around the time of the split, and regarding feelings during the split.

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

I mean, if it's Jay, Sloonei, GMan, I don't see the problem.

Aye, but I think Jay should be lynched first.

G-Man's final Day 2 vote was for Sloonei, not Mac.

Oh. What.

What’s the best reason we have to town read speedchuck?

Townreading me wins you the game if you're town. Good reason right there.

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

There was no chance of me being lynched and two or three competing viable wagons at the time. Why was Sloonei the best vote?

On Day 2 I trusted Dyslexicon and sheeped that vote out of a lack of other reads.

Why vote at all?

what

Jay’s behavior today is also exactly what I’d expect from him as a civilian. He got some pressure on him and it flipped a switch. He started pressing everything and re-examining things. He lost his zen and reclaimed the crown of fuck mountain.

I don't know what thread you're reading.

I juliets is mafia, on either team, she deserves to win.

Preach!

Jay, Sloonei, and probably Ted are still mafia. My reads are the same. Screw this game. Screw the unwillingness of anyone on this stupid forum to lynch Jay when he's pumping out worthless content because 'other players are posting less'.

And screw self-voting as well.

There was no case on G-man other than 'he's busy, he did a gimmick and later self-voted'

Meanwhile Jay's over here making love to his scum meta with Sloonei cheering him on.

There is one thing I don't like here. Toward the end when speedchuck was campaigning in his cranky way to destroy me, he always tacked Sloonei's name with me. Both of us were bad, but I had to die first. For reasons y'all will soon understand, that's a problem. The connection is meaningless, and it only serves to protect Sloonei in a roundabout way.

Generally I don't think it's speedchuck, but he should still answer to that.

Jay, are you saying you think speedchuck knows who you are and that's why it's problematic that he thought you should go first?

It leaves the potential that speedchuck knows who Sloonei is, and that I am not on Sloonei's team. By gluing us together like that and insisting I die first, he protects Sloonei two-fold. Sloonei doesn't get lynched, and when I flip civilian it makes Sloonei look better too -- the connection is severed.

I agree with JJJ.

If you want to agree with JJJ, you probably should look at his readlist. And at the post you're quoting. He didn't think I was scum. You're cherry-picking.

The second post assumes that I think JJJ will flip civ, which I didn't.

[TonyStarkPrime]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck The main thing i have on you (and tedxtr) is that i think everyone else is civ. There's not much you can do about that.
Earlier in the game i had you down as not-Master based on your Mac vote. But as Epignosis pointed out, you only changed your vote to Mac because Nanook casually asked you to. That vote is not enough to clear you as a suspect.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia are? Please name them.

That's ridiculous. The idea that I ONLY switched to Mac because someone asked is bullcrap. You can see in those posts that I suspected Mac before that vote, or I wouldn't have said 'I will switch to Mac' before I was asked.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck, my reason for suspecting you is the same as Tranq - POE. I'll also look at Jay's last posts but the ones Tranq pointed out are not in your favor.

I've explained all of these. POE is a crappy reason unless you have a solid reason to townread Tranq. The way you and Tranq immediately flipped over on me after the nightkill is hella concerning.

[speedchuck]

Tranq is mafia. I'm not sure who with. JJJ suggested Tony, but most everyone townreads Tony and nobody ever explained why to me.

I somewhat scumread Ted, but can't deny that he's got a few compatibility issues with mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

JJJ has to have brought this post up. Not sure how to read it.

[speedchuck]

This is only even a contest because Jay has teammates.

If GMan has teammates, they’re bussing. Yet there are five votes for town Jay?

No way that’s happening. Just look at the vote count and tell me Jay can even be town here.

All it takes is one or two vocal civilians promoting a case and the wolves can start circling.

Who are the wolves on Jay’s wagon?

From most to least suspicious:
Speedchuck
Epi
Tranq
Tony
You

JJJ has to have brought this post up. Not sure how to read it.

Tranq is conveniently right in the middle.

[Tranq]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

I want to be buried with my bow

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wagonomics suggests speed and Juliets from the obvious side, though I assume someone on the team was voting for Mac

[TonyStarkPrime]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

I want to be buried with my bow

Okay so 3P secrets kill one

[Tranq]

speed, on Day 7 you said this:

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

And now this:

I somewhat scumread Ted, but can't deny that he's got a few compatibility issues with mafia.

What changed from "im a definate on Ted" to "i somewhat scumread Ted" ?

[speedchuck]

Wagonomics suggests speed and Juliets from the obvious side, though I assume someone on the team was voting for Mac

Yeah I'm tinfoiling on Juliets but man the distancing between her and SLoonei looked legit

[Tranq]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

I want to be buried with my bow

Okay so 3P secrets kill one

Yes, that's been my assumption aswell.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia members are, [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] ?

[TonyStarkPrime]

He’s part of PoE but i suspect you more.

If you think i'm bad, who's my teammate? Name someone.
How would you explain the Night 7 GOAT kill on Sloonei?

someone else got the bow

Good thought, but unlikely. TH tried to use the bow again on Night 5 but it was blocked, so he still had it on him when he died Day 6.

I want to be buried with my bow

Okay so 3P secrets kill one

Yes, that's been my assumption aswell.

Who do you think the 2 remaining mafia members are, @TonyStarkPrime ?

... and ...
Maybe we’ll stumble into one

[speedchuck]

speed, on Day 7 you said this:

I'm a definite on Jay and Ted. Sloonei I'm historically bad at reading, but haven't seen something in memory that keeps him out of the bottom.

And now this:

I somewhat scumread Ted, but can't deny that he's got a few compatibility issues with mafia.

What changed from "im a definate on Ted" to "i somewhat scumread Ted" ?

Jay's analysis. He doesn't look as compatible as he could.

I scumread him in a vacuum, but he's not as compatible with Masters as a couple others. More likely a 3P candidate? Possibly.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I don’t think it’s Ted so now I’m 50/50 even with my other town reads on the table.

Jay really wanted to clear speed for the AtE thing but I’m not buying it.

Speed and ... Juliets?
Or you but I think focusing on the second kill is really weird and I like it

[TonyStarkPrime]

[mention]Tranq[/mention]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Maybe it’s Tranq and Juliets

[juliets]

Wagonomics suggests speed and Juliets from the obvious side, though I assume someone on the team was voting for Mac

Yeah I'm tinfoiling on Juliets but man the distancing between her and SLoonei looked legit

Yeah, it wasn't distancing. He seemed off to me early in the game.

[speedchuck]

Wagonomics suggests speed and Juliets from the obvious side, though I assume someone on the team was voting for Mac

Yeah I'm tinfoiling on Juliets but man the distancing between her and SLoonei looked legit

Yeah, it wasn't distancing. He seemed off to me early in the game.

I know. My head agrees, but my heart doubts.

Or the other way around.

In any case I won't be voting you today.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tranq, if I recall, spent a large portion of the midgame with a laser like focus on Sloonei. No one really picked up the case, but that’s either strong teammate protection or Tranq isn’t scum