Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:39 am
you had an evolving read on leetic (town --> maf)
and on that note, mac had an evolving read on lc (town --> maf)
and i think people with more of a voice are more important to interrogate than ppl like th who are not as visible in the town's conscience (don't mean that with any offense)
Please feel free to interrogate me.
oh idk i don't have questions rn i was just hoping someone other than you would be like "YEAH" and then do the work and i'd watch a movie or something
i'll get back to you later tho i got this i'll be productive ;;
think i gotta start being more aggressive in thread
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:52 pm
We are polar opposites in the most delightful way.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am
funnygurl and master radishes both dipped out shortly before LC's self-vote.
i was at work but was peeking during breaks
anyway i voted lc because i didn't want to vote leetic 'cause mikey believed they were town. and lc was the only other option available and i was okay with that lynch. i was not finna see ted die
saw mikey on the wagon a bit later and that made me feel better about my decision
i believe in mikey lol
i voted tsp but i don't know if i believe in that
honestly... i'm just wondering who would kill dragomir. and i'm thinking about who's steering the game right now, because we're headed in the wrong direction if we had tvt wagons
our wolves are likely an active team
i don't wanna say this really but i suspect you sloonei.
Not unfair. My process is slow, and my volume usually puts me in a perceived leadership position. My Day 1s can look like a mess, but they are geared toward making Day 3 and onward easier.
That said, my method relies on cooperation and I hope that, even if I am a suspect, people are willing to talk with me about the things we are all doing. I voted for leetic because he felt like the best optipn among the viable wagons. You trusted your vote to Mikey. Why?
if he's a wolf then i'ma be sad so i'm hoping he really is town here so we can WORK TOGETHER and WIN THE GAME
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:39 am
you had an evolving read on leetic (town --> maf)
and on that note, mac had an evolving read on lc (town --> maf)
and i think people with more of a voice are more important to interrogate than ppl like th who are not as visible in the town's conscience (don't mean that with any offense)
Please feel free to interrogate me.
oh idk i don't have questions rn i was just hoping someone other than you would be like "YEAH" and then do the work and i'd watch a movie or something
i'll get back to you later tho i got this i'll be productive ;;
think i gotta start being more aggressive in thread
Do whatever works to help you figure out what’s happening.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am
Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned
Why these three names in particular?
It feels like they're working together to win the game.
Can you point to specific moments?
Funnygurl and ts account would be super aggressive in their associations if they’re partners. And funnygurl and ted. Maybe that sort of thing happens in non-syndicate places.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:07 am
funnygurl and master radishes both dipped out shortly before LC's self-vote.
i was at work but was peeking during breaks
anyway i voted lc because i didn't want to vote leetic 'cause mikey believed they were town. and lc was the only other option available and i was okay with that lynch. i was not finna see ted die
saw mikey on the wagon a bit later and that made me feel better about my decision
i believe in mikey lol
i voted tsp but i don't know if i believe in that
honestly... i'm just wondering who would kill dragomir. and i'm thinking about who's steering the game right now, because we're headed in the wrong direction if we had tvt wagons
our wolves are likely an active team
i don't wanna say this really but i suspect you sloonei.
Not unfair. My process is slow, and my volume usually puts me in a perceived leadership position. My Day 1s can look like a mess, but they are geared toward making Day 3 and onward easier.
That said, my method relies on cooperation and I hope that, even if I am a suspect, people are willing to talk with me about the things we are all doing. I voted for leetic because he felt like the best optipn among the viable wagons. You trusted your vote to Mikey. Why?
if he's a wolf then i'ma be sad so i'm hoping he really is town here so we can WORK TOGETHER and WIN THE GAME
Okay, but why did you follow him?
FRIENDSHIP i mean idk if someone's got a strong town read and you trust them then you let them do their thing i guess idk. i mean he was right
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:52 pm
We are polar opposites in the most delightful way.
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am
Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned
Why these three names in particular?
It feels like they're working together to win the game.
Can you point to specific moments?
Funnygurl and ts account would be super aggressive in their associations if they’re partners. And funnygurl and ted. Maybe that sort of thing happens in non-syndicate places.
What if you looked into it and got back to me? If they're wolves together I see playful interactions, not super aggression. especially funnygurl -> mikey and funnygurl -> ted. Mikey -> funnygurl has been a more deliberate read, and then ted's just like their pet jackal
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
I'm not looking for a team of three I think I found a team of three
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
Three would be my assumption too, for what it’s worth. But I also suspect our two absentees are self-aligned. Maybe they’re split.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am
Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned
Why these three names in particular?
It feels like they're working together to win the game.
Can you point to specific moments?
Funnygurl and ts account would be super aggressive in their associations if they’re partners. And funnygurl and ted. Maybe that sort of thing happens in non-syndicate places.
What if you looked into it and got back to me? If they're wolves together I see playful interactions, not super aggression. especially funnygurl -> mikey and funnygurl -> ted. Mikey -> funnygurl has been a more deliberate read, and then ted's just like their pet jackal
It’s your theory and I don’t like doing this type of investigating, so I’m not gonna do that.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 am
And yes if we lynch someone it should be on their own merits and not on any unproven teammate connections of course
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:42 am
Scum team could be Mikey, funny girl and tedextr as far as I'm concerned
Why these three names in particular?
It feels like they're working together to win the game.
Can you point to specific moments?
Funnygurl and ts account would be super aggressive in their associations if they’re partners. And funnygurl and ted. Maybe that sort of thing happens in non-syndicate places.
What if you looked into it and got back to me? If they're wolves together I see playful interactions, not super aggression. especially funnygurl -> mikey and funnygurl -> ted. Mikey -> funnygurl has been a more deliberate read, and then ted's just like their pet jackal
It’s your theory and I don’t like doing this type of investigating, so I’m not gonna do that.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 am
And yes if we lynch someone it should be on their own merits and not on any unproven teammate connections of course
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
I'm not looking for a team of three I think I found a team of three
I am trying to see how you can come up with this scum team but I do not see it. As the person most familiar with funnygurl in this game, why would I warn everyone of her incredibly dynamic wolf game? I could simply say her wolf game is obvious and that she slanks hard as a wolf- the fact that she is here at all guarantees she is town, and then rely on my own aggressive personality to shut down dissent. That does not work. Furthermore, ted posted a massive wall town casing me seemingly with the intent to make sloonei shut up. I do not believe that is partnery behavior either, as it requires a lot of effort and insight on ted's behalf, more than is required to defend a partner. I think they are just town.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:55 am
And yes if we lynch someone it should be on their own merits and not on any unproven teammate connections of course
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
I'm not looking for a team of three I think I found a team of three
I am trying to see how you can come up with this scum team but I do not see it. As the person most familiar with funnygurl in this game, why would I warn everyone of her incredibly dynamic wolf game? I could simply say her wolf game is obvious and that she slanks hard as a wolf- the fact that she is here at all guarantees she is town, and then rely on my own aggressive personality to shut down dissent. That does not work. Furthermore, ted posted a massive wall town casing me seemingly with the intent to make sloonei shut up. I do not believe that is partnery behavior either, as it requires a lot of effort and insight on ted's behalf, more than is required to defend a partner. I think they are just town.
For what it’s worth, ted posted a massive wall in defense of mac (his teammate) at one point last game.
Idk if he’d pull out the exact same move two games in a row when his entire team from the previous game is also on this one.
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
I'm not looking for a team of three I think I found a team of three
I am trying to see how you can come up with this scum team but I do not see it. As the person most familiar with funnygurl in this game, why would I warn everyone of her incredibly dynamic wolf game? I could simply say her wolf game is obvious and that she slanks hard as a wolf- the fact that she is here at all guarantees she is town, and then rely on my own aggressive personality to shut down dissent. That does not work. Furthermore, ted posted a massive wall town casing me seemingly with the intent to make sloonei shut up. I do not believe that is partnery behavior either, as it requires a lot of effort and insight on ted's behalf, more than is required to defend a partner. I think they are just town.
For what it’s worth, ted posted a massive wall in defense of mac (his teammate) at one point last game.
Idk if he’d pull out the exact same move two games in a row when his entire team from the previous game is also on this one.
Okay but see that's exactly what I'm saying. As soon as someone brings up the possibility of you being aligned, you've immediately got the perfect "proof" lined up that they aren't
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
Three would be my assumption too, for what it’s worth. But I also suspect our two absentees are self-aligned. Maybe they’re split.
Hmmm... the OP says there are only two factions. I interpret that to mean no third parties, either.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:02 am
Okay but see that's exactly what I'm saying. As soon as someone brings up the possibility of you being aligned, you've immediately got the perfect "proof" lined up that they aren't
Probably because it is factual that we are not aligned...
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:04 am
Anyways I'm shutting up about this now because I know I sound like a crazy person until someone else sees what I see
I just provided you sound logic that nearly disproves the entire wolf team, and the best you could do is "You were planning for this, the scenario where someone brings up this exact trio, all along and brought suspicion on your partner day 1 when it wasn't necessary just so that you could shut down the three-player associative on day 2!" No, apply Occam's Razor, and you should find your answer.
Dragomir in deadchat: "Occam's Razor is stupid, it shouldn't be a real thing, I've seen plenty of times where the simplest explanation wasn't what happened!"
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:51 am
I hate to be the person to bring it up, but it is interesting Turnip Head is looking for a team of three. I thought with 15 players it would be more likely that we are looking at a team of four.
Three would be my assumption too, for what it’s worth. But I also suspect our two absentees are self-aligned. Maybe they’re split.
Hmmm... the OP says there are only two factions. I interpret that to mean no third parties, either.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:04 am
Anyways I'm shutting up about this now because I know I sound like a crazy person until someone else sees what I see
I just provided you sound logic that nearly disproves the entire wolf team, and the best you could do is "You were planning for this, the scenario where someone brings up this exact trio, all along and brought suspicion on your partner day 1 when it wasn't necessary just so that you could shut down the three-player associative on day 2!" No, apply Occam's Razor, and you should find your answer.
I don’t have a horse in this race, but you’ve not disproven anything.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:04 am
Anyways I'm shutting up about this now because I know I sound like a crazy person until someone else sees what I see
I just provided you sound logic that nearly disproves the entire wolf team, and the best you could do is "You were planning for this, the scenario where someone brings up this exact trio, all along and brought suspicion on your partner day 1 when it wasn't necessary just so that you could shut down the three-player associative on day 2!" No, apply Occam's Razor, and you should find your answer.
I don’t have a horse in this race, but you’ve not disproven anything.
I don’t think you’ve nearly proven anything. Proof implies factual confirmation. You’ve expressed an opinionated argument about a topic none of us could theoretically confirm. TH is not totally off base for having this suspicion.
ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm
What is your analysis of the nightkill?
Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.
Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.
It does tell us that the mafia team isn’t comprised of the people who were trying to convince us that Drago was clearly scum
ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm
What is your analysis of the nightkill?
Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.
Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.
It does tell us that the mafia team isn’t comprised of the people who were trying to convince us that Drago was clearly scum
I wouldn’t totally bank on that. In my experience Night 1 kills consist of kicking a bunch of names around until one sticks. All it takes is a general feeling that killing Drago isn’t a high-risk move.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:22 amTH is not totally off base for having this suspicion.
I am surprised you can say this without erupting into a fit of the giggles.
This is not the same as saying that I agree with the suspicion. But a civilian has only seen their own role card. If TH is a civilian, it’s not impossible for him to suspect the possibility of the three of you being partners. If it’s a distinct possible he observes, it’s worth putting it into the thread, even if it’s just so we can talk it out and decide it’s wrong.
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm
Its gonna be hard for me to participate in these remaining hours. I'm quite busy right now so EoD activity is a no go from my side.
My reads right now still have LC as scum but it's not as strong as before. Leetic has creeped up in my scum reads, but it's not very strong either. My reasons don't felt good enough to support a vote on him and I have had a couple mindmelds with him. His defense against my recent accusations were just as well.
Speedchuck is probably my strongest scum read atm doubt that's not saying much as it's still kinda weak, just barely above the other two. I don't think I'll be voting anybody for this phase.
My town reads, on the other hand, are quite strong. max, Sloonei, and FG are the highest; all three equal with each other. Turnip Head, TS, Ted, and Epi follow behind.
Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.
Here is dragomir's last will. It is not much to go on, since they only had one real scum read that was shared by many other players to begin with. I will assume that Dragomir softed or slipped PR somewhere, as that would be a better reason to kill drago over another person with drago's scum reads.
Sloonei: Have you found that post wherein ted defends macdougall as a partner with a wallpost?
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm
Its gonna be hard for me to participate in these remaining hours. I'm quite busy right now so EoD activity is a no go from my side.
My reads right now still have LC as scum but it's not as strong as before. Leetic has creeped up in my scum reads, but it's not very strong either. My reasons don't felt good enough to support a vote on him and I have had a couple mindmelds with him. His defense against my recent accusations were just as well.
Speedchuck is probably my strongest scum read atm doubt that's not saying much as it's still kinda weak, just barely above the other two. I don't think I'll be voting anybody for this phase.
My town reads, on the other hand, are quite strong. max, Sloonei, and FG are the highest; all three equal with each other. Turnip Head, TS, Ted, and Epi follow behind.
Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.
Here is dragomir's last will. It is not much to go on, since they only had one real scum read that was shared by many other players to begin with. I will assume that Dragomir softed or slipped PR somewhere, as that would be a better reason to kill drago over another person with drago's scum reads.
Sloonei: Have you found that post wherein ted defends macdougall as a partner with a wallpost?
I’ll pull it up when i’m on my laptop. Searching on my phone is a hassle.
ts account wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:08 am
Dragomir in deadchat: "Occam's Razor is stupid, it shouldn't be a real thing, I've seen plenty of times where the simplest explanation wasn't what happened!"
I don't even know what Occam's Razor is, but this sounds about accurate.
[mention]ts account[/mention] It turns out ted did not post a wall defending mac in the thread. Instead it was a series of posts defending him. I remember it as a massive wall because we had a long conversation in scum chat about how he should handle Mac, who was a top suspect at the time, and he decided that he wanted to make a hard push in defense of him. It was a wall of text in scumchat.
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:40 am
I skimmed the Mac push and I want it on record that he does have a point w/r/t his other GoC games, I scum read him from his first few posts and questions in Inception when I was practicing my scum hunting and I am far from feeling him scum here
Although him showing his pelts is kind of a turn off
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 am
First, I think you’re putting a lot more stock into how I’m reading you when my suspicion was more of a “he’s not doing anything and has shit tone so i’m fine voting there” which feels rather weird. You even mentioned how my vote on you would express towards that, even though it’s not in these exact words, but this is essentially what you were doing as well. I wasn’t really scum reading you heavily because I had nothing to go based off of. I do have for G-Man. You started posting a lot more of your analysis, which was what my initial vote was based on, you not doing anything. I think this angle that you’ve taken is really opportunistic because I don’t remember saying anything about your slot other than placing a vote on you or calling you scum for not doing anything. This dichotomy is weird, do you feel like I should be voting you right here or? I don’t get it. It seems like disingenous posturing, you mentioned I was looking elsewhere while voting you, so I wasn’t really scum reading you, and i clearly stated reasons for scum reading G-Man and pushing him.
Secondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.
Going back to my point about G-Man, you’ve been constantly poked and when you started doing shit, people kind of either left you or voted you anyway, which probably means you’re town, whereas G-Man has been poked, he’s on people’s scum lists, people have actual reasoning to vote there and yet he’s constantly being avoided. People comment on how bad he looks and never hard push him. But people do push you though.
I mean, Mac’s play just reminds me of All My Circuits really, and me having an obvious scum read on him reading Inception and seeing how easy he is to be caught as scum, of course I’m going to lean the opposite because I can’t find anything scum about him in this game, so what’s your point?
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:47 am
Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?
I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.
Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.
I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.
My point was that I'm not seeing scum Mac here unlike his Inception game where I sniped his ass page 10 or something.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:11 am
Now I have to ask: why did you care about that?
I wanted to see if the defense was as well thought out and insightful as it was this time around. Personally, I find it lacks that je ne sais quoi.
What does that mean to you?
Why is ted's handling of his scum partner in a previous game relevant to his handling of you in this game if you guys are not partners?
