Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[ts account]

Then don't read them, that's what I did

Guilty as charged, here.

[Funnygurl555]

speed's only notable contribution d1 was a turnip head read

when he comes back and tries to throw reads, he didn't note turnip head

bad.

I have no idea what this means.

it appears like he's not trying to world build and is just throwing shit around. yeah i understand that the way i present my thoughts is suboptimal, but i don't think it's incomprehensible.

anyway, i'm beginning to rethink speed as i reread the thread, so.

[TonyStarkPrime]

FG has put in work this page. It seems authentic, and I like the vote parked on me as opposed to Speed or LC. It’s a bit flashy.

[Epignosis]

Then don't read them, that's what I did

That's what you didn't do.

[Funnygurl555]

he's also tryna position himself to vote me which is also... kinda... bad...

speed's name's been thrown around as a suspicion all game though. i'm not married to the idea, but i'm coming around to him being a hit

Who is he who is "also tryna?" Why is...it...kinda...bad... and not fucking awful?

i have to take information with a grain of salt if it involves me so i don't fall for omgus

anyway i would've responded to this in one post but i don't wanna lose the posts i've copied while i've been rereading

[TonyStarkPrime]

he's also tryna position himself to vote me which is also... kinda... bad...

speed's name's been thrown around as a suspicion all game though. i'm not married to the idea, but i'm coming around to him being a hit

this post contains some great irony

[Funnygurl555]

Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it

You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side

right but the jump from "probably not scum" to "scum" is still drastic and unnatural.

and now you're weakening your read on me. so what is it? what do you think about me rn?

[Epignosis]

Don't lynch Funygirl.

[Epignosis]

Funnygirl is more concerned that I understand her than with her votes against her. Civilian right there. Move the fuck on.

[Funnygurl555]

i just came across this, and i gotta say, great look for mac. this is one of the things that would make me soft clear someone so mac is good

I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

[Funnygurl555]

i just came across this, and i gotta say, great look for mac. this is one of the things that would make me soft clear someone so mac is good

I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

alright i gotta explain myself before someone's like "wtf?"

dragomir was nk'd. mac seems like someone who'd yap in a wolf chat about who should die. mac would just let dragomir die on his own if he thinks this.

i don't expect it to be good information for anyone but myself, but if i maintain a mac townread, this is partly why

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it

You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side

right but the jump from "probably not scum" to "scum" is still drastic and unnatural.

and now you're weakening your read on me. so what is it? what do you think about me rn?

drastic and unnatural seems a little excessive for moved down one or two names on the rainbow. The read was based on a play pattern, a sort of attempt to fake action idea. I think your recent posts aren’t in that pattern, but they don’t trigger a “this is definitely town” vibe and additionally I think you’re trying to steer conversation to other outlets. So I have to reconsider. You’ve probably moved up one or two slots.

Linki: @epi could be meta it’s some people’s thing but vacuum I agree

[Sloonei]

No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

[Funnygurl555]

first of all there are only three slots in this readslist. also i didn't even go to "could be" on your list. i was just "scum", which is a new fourth slot.
that's why i was alarmed. you didn't even talk about me very much

Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it

You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side

right but the jump from "probably not scum" to "scum" is still drastic and unnatural.

and now you're weakening your read on me. so what is it? what do you think about me rn?

drastic and unnatural seems a little excessive for moved down one or two names on the rainbow. The read was based on a play pattern, a sort of attempt to fake action idea. I think your recent posts aren’t in that pattern, but they don’t trigger a “this is definitely town” vibe and additionally I think you’re trying to steer conversation to other outlets. So I have to reconsider. You’ve probably moved up one or two slots.

Linki: @epi could be meta it’s some people’s thing but vacuum I agree

[Epignosis]

No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm tired.

[Sloonei]

i just came across this, and i gotta say, great look for mac. this is one of the things that would make me soft clear someone so mac is good

I guess upon thinking about it, Dragomir is always lynched in every game so he's probably not super in need of too much scrutiny. A likely self resolve lol.

alright i gotta explain myself before someone's like "wtf?"

dragomir was nk'd. mac seems like someone who'd yap in a wolf chat about who should die. mac would just let dragomir die on his own if he thinks this.

i don't expect it to be good information for anyone but myself, but if i maintain a mac townread, this is partly why

Good observation.

[Sloonei]

No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm tired.

But...

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: master radishes] aubergine

[Epignosis]

I want ted to die. Nobody wants ted to die. Why doesn't nobody want ted to die?

[Epignosis]

No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm tired.

But...

What?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I want ted to die. Nobody wants ted to die. Why doesn't nobody want ted to die?

Angry ted has scared off all customers?

[Sloonei]

No I don't what? Have to read two big ass posts or care?

Either one. But I was referring to reading the posts. It’s supplementary material, no one’s being graded on it.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm tired.

But...

What?

It’s not worth the effort. I did all that work to decide whether or not I should vote for funnygurl.

I am not voting for her.

[Epignosis]

I read everything anyway.

[Sloonei]

I want ted to die. Nobody wants ted to die. Why doesn't nobody want ted to die?

I don’t have a specific objection. I don’t have a specific reason to do it either.

[Epignosis]

Why radishes?

[Sloonei]

I read everything anyway.

God bless you.

[Epignosis]

I read everything anyway.

God bless you.

He sometimes does.

[Sloonei]

Why radishes?

There have been a few occasions where he feels too eager to vote for people.

[TonyStarkPrime]

It's sad that probably 3 town are arguing. Drago, ts, Sloonei. Makes me really sad.



this post was made by the wolf association down your neighbourhood

Self aware scum still scum? Would scum ever make a statement like the first half? Even with the qualifier “probably”? It seems far too on the nose as obvious to draw lame suspicion

[Epignosis]

Why radishes?

There have been a few occasions where he feels too eager to vote for people.

What's wrong with that?

[TonyStarkPrime]

MR is your case on me the same as it was on page 2?

I don’t like posts like this on principle but I think that principle might be mistaken.

[Sloonei]

Why radishes?

There have been a few occasions where he feels too eager to vote for people.

What's wrong with that?

Maybe nothing. Or maybe it’s a sign that his intention is to ensure any lynch other than one of his partners.

[Sloonei]

MR is your case on me the same as it was on page 2?

I don’t like posts like this on principle but I think that principle might be mistaken.

What is the basis of that principle?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dragomir can die, tomorrow though. I changed my read. I'll ISO him in-depth tonight, if I get to live.

Killed Drago to save the trouble of the ISO?

[Funnygurl555]

i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.

[Sloonei]

i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.

What’s stopping you?

[Sloonei]

The major point I have in favor of ted’s favor is one Mac brought up: his self-defense in this game has been more spirited than it was last game (when he was bad). I’m not assigning as much weight to that as I did Day 1, but I’m not going to ignore it either.

[TonyStarkPrime]

[quote=TonyStarkPrime post_id=598660 time=<a href="tel:1586141809">1586141809</a> user_id=554]
[quote=tedxtr post_id=596705 time=<a href="tel:1585759066">1585759066</a> user_id=695]
MR is your case on me the same as it was on page 2?

I don’t like posts like this on principle but I think that principle might be mistaken.
[/quote]

What is the basis of that principle?

[/quote]

I and many others play on the general basis of “treat suspicion on you no different than that on any other player, be generally indifferent to pressure, people who do those things are town”.
Ted making a few different posts asking directly about reads on him and pressure against him goes against that principle, but in FG’s recent concern with exactly where she is on my reads list, I feel that perhaps there’s something to be said for understanding scum reads against you and playing defense where necessary.

[Funnygurl555]

i'm on page 15 now but not much has caught my attention these last few pages, so i'll dump:

he's kinda weakening his suspicion of me here (if he suspected me at all). hedgey. not good.

mac liked this post from tsp which is eh i mean i guess nai

Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it

I do not understand what you like and dislike here.

I like the argument that spicy voting = town. But I think it’s a little suspicious that 1) voting for Leetic could be considered spicy and 2) she didn’t say anything about me, the other Leetic voter. Unless I missed something.

this is epignosis's first notable contribution. he also firmly town-read dragomir, which is important to note if we're gonna do nk analysis (do not recommend tbh lmao, but hey i'm doing it.)

nai. i mean it could be easily replicated as wolf but it's not wolfy. it does put distance between epi and tsp which is not important now

Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.

I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.

Tell me more

The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred

From what I've seen, Dragomir is a civilian. I don't care that he is trying to earn "town cred." Civilians SHOULD be doing that. Noble enterprise.

guess i should quote this 'cause it's a rEaD but not important

I won't be voting Sloonei today.

though i should add that upon further inspection i like sloonei again. his performance at the beginning of the thread was really strong and i'm reminded of why i town-read him in the first place. without meta i can't confidently give him a town read, because he could just be good enough to fake a power town playstyle, but ah well. TRUST. ;__;
[mention]Sloonei[/mention] here u go

i don't know what this post is but it's interesting. it would be indicative of a townie mindset if th actually incorporated this into a read of epi

The Epi I thought I knew says things like "civilians shouldn't be trying to earn cred, they should be trying to find bad guys". Has your philosophy evolved?

slank tho not rly important i guess

I'll admit, I do find it a bit weird how LC still has his vote on Sloonei after all this time without providing any further elaboration.

It's just a remnant by now, of a vote cast in a boring thread. Don't consider it to mean he's my top suspect... I put more focus in my other game today due to the 72-hour days in this one, and I need to get back in here and play.

spoken like someone who's never played with mikey. i don't like it. it's a safe read. negative points.

[VOTE: tsaccount] aubergine

My concerns about ts have not been addressed, but I am now having a harder time reading his utter frustration with me as anything but genuine.

My vote stands. Convince me otherwise.

Why does your vote stand where it stands? Is this a social distancing thing?

I'll make this real simple for you. Ready?

I think ts is

Spoiler: show

mafia

If I were to ask why, would you give me a satisfying answer?

I don't know the answer to that. What would satisfy you? I've already said I think ts is engaging in bullshit discussion about mechanics and people who talk about mechanics. ts looks nervous. Like someone who bit off more than he can chew and is trying to make himself out to be the big fish regardless.

this on the other hand is good. if only epi were present more

I'm not voting Sloonei and I'm not voting leetic.

Do better.

this is spicy i guess

May I interest you guys on TonyStarkPrime or TSP? Dawg hasn't done anything this game besides a few thoughts on me that haven't gone anywhere.

at the time that i'm posting this, epi is voting for speedchuck, so the evolution of this read is interesting. then again, i don't quite remember why epi is even voting for speedchuck.

What's your issue with speedchuck?

He hasn't done much of note and what he has done (jokey posts, slight ts shade when the thread climate was against the former, going after LC (an easy target) is easy for scum to do.

That doesn't concern me. speedchuck has a new baby and new work from home shit. I'm not concerned.

this is actually interesting. i feel like dragomir would be pushing ted if he were still alive.

i wish dragomir were around to talk about this. i say that because if dragomir were around i feel like he'd be going after ted rn, and i wanna see a solid case against him now that my tr on ted is shaken

Why are Ted and Leetic voting for each other? That does not look v/v at all.

[Funnygurl555]

i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.

What’s stopping you?

his early d1 was hella strong

[Funnygurl555]

since we're talking about ted rn, just came across this and i think it's very townie. emotion reads aren't my forte but yeah

what do you think about this mikey?

Have a proper debate like a real man, no need to make it personal by applying snark. You just lost any ounce of teamwork you had with me. I'm actually going to solve, but I am still frustrated.

Don't ever talk to me again this game. I don't want to work with you (that is, even if you're town).

All you need is a case, you don't need to put your balls on the table, it only makes you look like you don't actually believe in your case and feel the need to harass every post of mine and twist it in order to make your case better. You know that your reasoning isn't strong enough to force a wagon on me so you make petty comments like that.

[Sloonei]

i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.

What’s stopping you?

his early d1 was hella strong

Counterpoint: early Day 1 is the easiest stage to fake.

[Funnygurl555]

i'm not entirely opposed to a ted lynch like i was d1 since my reads were probably bad. i wouldn't be able to join in though-- at least not now.

What’s stopping you?

his early d1 was hella strong

Counterpoint: early Day 1 is the easiest stage to fake.

[ts account]

since we're talking about ted rn, just came across this and i think it's very townie. emotion reads aren't my forte but yeah

what do you think about this mikey?

Have a proper debate like a real man, no need to make it personal by applying snark. You just lost any ounce of teamwork you had with me. I'm actually going to solve, but I am still frustrated.

Don't ever talk to me again this game. I don't want to work with you (that is, even if you're town).

All you need is a case, you don't need to put your balls on the table, it only makes you look like you don't actually believe in your case and feel the need to harass every post of mine and twist it in order to make your case better. You know that your reasoning isn't strong enough to force a wagon on me so you make petty comments like that.

There is enough room for it to be faked.

[Funnygurl555]

since we're talking about ted rn, just came across this and i think it's very townie. emotion reads aren't my forte but yeah

what do you think about this mikey?

Have a proper debate like a real man, no need to make it personal by applying snark. You just lost any ounce of teamwork you had with me. I'm actually going to solve, but I am still frustrated.

Don't ever talk to me again this game. I don't want to work with you (that is, even if you're town).

All you need is a case, you don't need to put your balls on the table, it only makes you look like you don't actually believe in your case and feel the need to harass every post of mine and twist it in order to make your case better. You know that your reasoning isn't strong enough to force a wagon on me so you make petty comments like that.

There is enough room for it to be faked.

noted. i'll dismiss it

[Sloonei]

Every suspect I can come up with feels underwhelming. That could just mean that the bulk of our activity has been driven by civilians.

[ts account]

I did not say it was faked, I just said the potential is there.

[Funnygurl555]

here dragomir shades th.

Does anybody share my suspicion on Turnip?

Lemme go look. Can you give me your angle in a simple concept?

A backseat poster who lacks in assertive reads and only dips his toes just barely in a couple subjects as if he's trying to see if something is sticking.

then we see lc do the same thing bout a post or two later (though lc says it's co

I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.

There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?

You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

This post makes me feel grey. So tentative, that second sentence. Such a tiny prod, this barely even merits a response from Mikey. Does he follow up on this suspicion?

more shade.

@ts account It's not impossible for me to view Sloon as bad actually, I just like how fired up he got after he was called out. He got real defensive real quick which I associate with town sloon. Not sure if I should see it like that or if I just don't want him to be bad for whatever reason.

Starts out strong, then waffles out in the home-stretch. Lack of assertive reads strikes again.

this clearly contradicts his d1 eod play and really weakens my lc town read.
[mention]Long Con [/mention], what were you trying to do when you self-voted yourself? you said yourself that "dying sucks", but voting yourself into a kitb is like asking for a death wish.

LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.

lc said the same stuff about turnip that i just did... so hm. perhaps i'll hold off on suspecing lc longer. mindmelding indicates towniness. i'm not dropping the quotes for those.

and it culminated in a turnip head vote:

My Sloonei vote is super-stale at this point. I'm going to switch to TH. [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine

th suspecting lc

Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

and then weakens the read by saying they're confused. not a good look.

Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Would you consider voting for him?

I'm mostly just confused

speedchuck town reads ted. and a strong defense like this is not something i'd expect wolf buddies to make, so i think it's genuine. anyway it's important because it shows speed's worldbuilding.

Turnip Head is town.

I'm having trouble seeing your world building. You have quite the townreads, what's the PoE?

Ted is mafia.

I'm completely the reverse on you here sloon

epi places a vote on lc

LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

This is just blatantly not true. It's something I have done many times in the past, mostly due to the "you-die-you-don't-win" rule we used to go by around here... when you have to survive to win, you learn to not look TOO Civvish. I still hold the lessons dear to my heart, because dying sucks either way, and if you want to survive the night, the baddies have to believe you can be lynched.

This is true.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

There is no reason you should have to explain this to Turnip Head. TH was around during that time.

lc is a wagon at this point if i recall correctly. then we have mac saying that an lc lynch is bad and voting for turnip head. but before that we had speedchuck give a quick case and a vote on turnip head. i'm not copying those. eh.

i'll dump this now.

[Funnygurl555]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] when you have a chance, could you give a current read on turnip head?

[Funnygurl555]

i'm on page 20. i'm losing momentum and i'm getting sleepy, but i'll push through for as long as i can