Banjo-Kazooie Mafia [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Post count ceilings for Night 2:

83 Dragon D. Luffy
72 dunya
49 G-Man
83 M Plus 7
98 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
78 nutella
43 Russtifinko
90 Sloonei
42 speedchuck
61 TonyStarkPrime
71 Turnip Head

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

Why? We are closer to losing the game.

I wish it had worked.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

What's your read on G-man?

Slight bad.

[Sloonei]

What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

[Sloonei]

that post is fire. it is burning hot.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

He should’ve claimed

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don’t have the aversion to killing non-obvious town that a lot of people do tbh. Not even including mechanical reasons to think he was >rand mafia. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs etc

I mean you are not wrong but... sometimes you need to go the extra mile. Be crazy. Lynch the unlynchable. Lynch the obvious busser. Leave the obvious suspect alive.

Mafia wins the game too often if town acts predictable and does the things mafia expects them to do.

I guess we could say, the only thing necessary for evil to win, is for the good guys to be boring.

Time and place. Yesterday was neither

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

What is everyone's read on G-man?

He exists

[Tangrowth]

Well, I’m glad I didn’t sink in a ton of time into sig interactive reads.

[Sloonei]

We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

My feeling rn:

[Tangrowth]

We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

What do you make of that?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

Including D1 Sig wagon?

[Tangrowth]

Oh sorry I never got back to you, Sloonei, I’ve been distracted AF. I’ll ISO G-Man and get back to you.

[Turnip Head]

I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

Why? We are closer to losing the game.

I wish it had worked.

You sound scummy for this ^ tbqh. And you blindly following nanook's peek and then pre-flip sowing suspicion against the one person who tried to argue against it is not a good look. from my POV that is the exact next move the mafia would try to attempt after getting their free sig lynch.

I also don't like how quickly you justified nanook's peek as real. You jumped through hoops to explain Nanook's behavior and I don't buy your thought process as genuine. (I encourage yall to iso luffys posts on this subject). There was no healthy level of paranoia from you here DDL and it concerns me greatly. It's not looking good for you Luffy, it's not looking good for you at all

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am posting all polls in the OP.

[Turnip Head]

Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

What's your read on G-man?

I don't really have one, but as with most cases I think it's possible to read his behavior through two different lenses, one where he's good and one where he's bad. I don't feel strongly one way or the other at this point.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

Why? We are closer to losing the game.

I wish it had worked.

You sound scummy for this ^ tbqh. And you blindly following nanook's peek and then pre-flip sowing suspicion against the one person who tried to argue against it is not a good look. from my POV that is the exact next move the mafia would try to attempt after getting their free sig lynch.

I also don't like how quickly you justified nanook's peek as real. You jumped through hoops to explain Nanook's behavior and I don't buy your thought process as genuine. (I encourage yall to iso luffys posts on this subject). There was no healthy level of paranoia from you here DDL and it concerns me greatly. It's not looking good for you Luffy, it's not looking good for you at all

Everyone is saying I'm not paranoid but what more paranoia do you want from me?

Does me changing my vote and going against a fucking cop peek not count as paranoia?

Or is it necessary for me to completyely defy normal game conventions and assume it's impossible to nanook's peek to be worth anything? Because I'm not doing that. At the end of the day, I'm a logical person more than I'm a paranoid one.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also what are even your thoughts on this game besides defending Sig, man? You voted for nanook but spent the day shading me. You are now saying you don't trust nanook while still shading me. Are you trying to say the two of us are mafia coordinating in the thread?

Post your reads, please. Cuz so far you have just posted angry disagreements about things.

[Turnip Head]

Idk I just think you're bad dude

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Idk I just think you're bad dude

And nanook?

[Turnip Head]

I've done plenty of things in this game; saying I've only posted angry disagreements is demonstrably inaccurate

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

DDL pretty townie imo

[Russtifinko]

Alright, re-reading G-Man first since Sloonei has been posting a lot today and I don't feel like all that.

Doing this with fresh eyes, and trying to think through the context at the time as well.

Spoiler: show

Posting my Day 0 thoughts. With as few participants as there are, coupled with the post limit, I’m going to try to take notes on everyone and assign arbitrary points (+ or -) based on how posts make me feel about you.

Day 0 is not a useful day, but I got two feels out of it...

Spoiler: show

DAY 0:
DDL:
-Set a low bar for himself with rhyming concern. Only post. (0)

Dunya:
-Posts amount to repetitive’yeah let’s do this!’ and commiserating with those who rhyme trouble. (0)

Epi:
-Just screwing around on Day 0 (0)

MP:
-Most of his posts involved comments on post limitations. No engagement yet with this game, but only four posts. (0)

Mac:
-Can’t tell if Mac is serious about sig yet. Presumptuous but not unlike Mac. (0)

Nanook:
-Not a fan of his insistence on rhyming. Yes, it’s cheeky and fun but even I won’t encourage everyone to post solely in rhymes. Not a fan of his repetition of it. (-1)

Nutella :
-Not voting for sig D1. I feel like I remember sig having D1 woes in the past, but she should have qualified it. I’ll vote for anyone D1 if the content leads me that direction. (0)

Russtifinko:
-misunderstands baddies having a false cover role- civ look because a baddie would have clarified that with the host. (+1)
-I also agree with not being too attached to rhyming.

Sig:
-contradictory in first post; also odd theory about ‘over-rhyming’ and early posters.
-otherwise not much but jabs at MP and Mac. (0)

Sloonei:
-most notable is his big post postulating the impact of the post restriction and how it worked in other games. But this isn’t those games. If he continues to try to apply this logic with certainty to this game he will lose points. Every game is different. (0)

Speedchuck:
-one D0 standard post. (0)

Tony:
-declares his intent to just have some fun (0)

TH:
-Nothing but D0 null. (0)

But that’s not all,
My work’s not done!
Time now for me to crawl
Through the posts from Day 1.

Patching together a reads list yields this:

GOOD VIBES
-Russ: His good on the fake-claim cover roles makes me feel good. A baddie would have clarified with the host.
-Dunya: I like her spunk. She's more assertive and direct than I would suspect a baddie to be.
-Epi: He makes good counter-punches, but how many times have I been duped into civ reading him in the past?

TBD (I need to ISO these for a stronger read)
-DDL
-sig
-Sloonei
-Speed
-Tony
-TH

BAD VIBES
-MP: This might be old bias due to his high-volume style of play. It's a soft ping, so don't take it the wrong way.
-Nutella: Equal parts old bias and not feeling much of anything despite the volume of her ISO.
-Mac: He keeps coming back to low-hanging fruit. Lazy for a civvie to do; wise for a baddie. It's never lost its appeal. I am low-hanging fruit, I realize this, so my judgement may be a tad harsh.
-Nanook: Maybe it's a lack of familiarity, but something in his play rubs me the wrong way. Rhyme scheme in moderation and play the game, friendo.

First two non-rhyme posts of the day. I don't like that they come 3 hours before the end of D1, but I do like that they contain a lot of opinions on other players. The change on Mac is notable: it goes from "presumptuous but not unlike Mac" to "low-hanging fruit".

Also worth noting is I'm one of his top town reads. This makes me feel worse than before: it's possible his read on me was influencing the positive gut feels I had on him prior to the lynch result.

Spoiler: show

Playing the Joker here and switching my vote to sig. Do something other than gripe about MP. Otherwise it feels like distancing to me.

Let’s see how this changes the last 20 minutes of the phase.

Switches to sig 15min later, 20min before EOD. Looks like possible distancing. Similar to Mac, goes from a slight negative ping to a vote pretty quickly.

Spoiler: show

Perhaps I am a sadist, but I want to see MP and sig work their issues out like adults. No easy outs!

Switching to Mac

Switches back, and apparently not for game-related reasons. Places the most influential vote aside from Epi.

Spoiler: show

Is this a rebellion, sheep?
You’re supposed to follow my lead
And trust my read
Something something keep

Piss off.

This post doesn't help in my assessment of G-Man particularly, but it made me realize how hard NANOOK was after sig even D1, which I somehow had missed. I guess that makes sense given that he targeted sig N1, but he didn't really give a reason at the time. NANOOK, given that your early posts are all rhymes, would you give me a hand and let me know the root of your sig suspicion?

Spoiler: show

Also anyone who over rhymes/someone in first 3 is def mafia trying to be blendy.

Ponder these words of yours again please, sig. Answer me these questions three:

1) How do you define over-rhyming?

2) Who among us is guilty of such over-rhyming and does that lead you still toward suspecting them?

3) The first three players to post were Nanook, Nutella, and Speedchuck. If one of them, as you said, ‘is def mafia,’ which of those three is our villain?


Re-reading the game with the context of Mac being civ. It’s possible in a game that prohibits diarrhea of the mouth. Me likey.

Asks sig these questions, but never really follows up on them. G-Man, were you asking these questions to assess sig, or to form more general opinions on thread activity?

Spoiler: show

Poop on a stick! I have to burn a post to show the list. Sorry about that.

CIVVIE:
Mac (DEAD)
Russ
Dunya
Tony
Epi
DDL

BADDIE:
Speed
Sig
MP
Nutella
Sloonei
TH
Nanook

Does eventually post GTH reads. Others have said they don't like that he was initially game for this but then held off. I do get that changing his mind doesn't look amazing and that holding off goes against the point of GTH, but I agree with the logic of not giving the baddies an easy civ kill, and to me the fact that he posted them is something of a mitigating factor.

Piling onto sig feels lame so early in the phase.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sprinkled throughout his posts is quite a bit of pondering how baddies might strategically approach this game. More than once did I think he was more concerned with that than analyzing the game happening right in front of him. I will have to go back and look for specific examples.

Would you, could you, fuel the fire
Of dear old Sloonei’s funeral pyre?
ISO him for yourself and see
If you might, perchance, agree with me.

This is his only post on D2 (other than the GTH, which it sounds like he intended to post at the end of N1). He says Sloonei looks bad for figuring out how baddies would play, says he's going to look for examples, and never comes back with any examples. He also doesn't really push for others to vote for Sloonei or not vote for sig, despite saying the sig train is lame. His rhyme basically asks people to build a case on Sloonei for him, which he has to know people won't do, especially since he hasn't really given them anything to go on here. Independent of the D1 results, this is the only thing that truly influences my read of G-Man one way or another, and I don't think it's a good look. Of course, I haven't done my Sloonei ISO yet, and it's possible there's something there, but even if that's the case, this way of pointing to it seems at best lukewarm.


Lots of linki: RIP sig. It double-sucks that we boht mislynched you and ruined the game for you so bad you didn't defend.

So NANOOK's read was at best unreliable as he himself admitted, or at worst a lie. NANOOK, if you could answer my question above about why you were originally onto sig, I think that would help me determine which I think it is.

DDL, to clarify, you're saying that since sig flipped civ, you think TH was setting you up for a D3 lynch in his posts above? DDL and TH, are you each other's biggest suspects right now? TH, you said you were "the one person driving discussion (besides Sloonei)" today. Can you point me to where exactly you tried to rally people around something else, as opposed to saying not to lynch sig and to doubt NANOOK?

Double extra bonus linki: Yay for polls being posted! And TH, I would also appreciate if you could post any non-sig, NANOOK, or DDL reads.

Triple linki: of course now I can't post.....what happened to thread being slow?

[Turnip Head]

I said before I didn't trust nanook's peek as real. What that means for his alignment is up for debate (I think he COULD be good with a fake peek) but I did vote for him. As of right now I trust you less than Nanook.

[Sloonei]

We've lynched two civilians the first two days but there is not a single player who was on both wagons.

What do you make of that?

It strikes me as an indication that town is missing the mark.

[Turnip Head]

TH do this TH do that. TH you're doing stuff but it's not the things I want you to do. TH your reads aren't the ones I want from you. Lol yikes.

[nutella]

What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

[Turnip Head]

DDL/Nanook/Nutella mafia? I think it's possible.

[Russtifinko]

I will be ISOing Sloonei and nutella as promised, but not today. I am tired from working and doing my first ISO.

Also, I forgot to post my conclusion on G-Man: based on the sig flip, most of my bad feelings about him disappear. I think the last post he made, early in D2, is pingy, as is the fact that he did nothing else all day. Other than that there's basically nothing to go on, though, so I'd give him a mild bad read, but probably not one I'd want to pursue D3.

Linki: TH, argue with DDL all you want about how to play the game. You guys are fighting and I get that. But is it really unreasonable for me (or anyone for that matter) to ask you to make some contribution, whatever it may be, no matter how small, to trying to find baddies? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you signed up for?

[Turnip Head]

M Plus 7 town
Russtifinko town
Sloonei town
TSP town

This is my towncore and I am unlikely to change my mind about these reads.

Dunya I pray to any god that exists that she's town, and I currently believe she is

Speedchuck lean town, a malleable read
G-Man lean not scum, a malleable read

Nanook slight scum lean
Nutella slight scum lean

DDL hard scum lean

[Turnip Head]

Linki: TH, argue with DDL all you want about how to play the game. You guys are fighting and I get that. But is it really unreasonable for me (or anyone for that matter) to ask you to make some contribution, whatever it may be, no matter how small, to trying to find baddies? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you signed up for?

Do you think I am not looking for baddies? I think it is quite unfair to accuse me of not looking for baddies - when I AM - and then act like I don't know what our objective is.

[Turnip Head]

I'm not arguing with DDL about how to play the game fwiw. I am arguing with DDL because I think he is playing from a mafia POV. It's weird that you, Russti, seem to think that's not what I'm doing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I could see nutella bad too tbh

Where’s jack when you need him

[Turnip Head]

Like I feel my posts aren't really being read and that's whats frustrating. It makes me feel misunderstood when I feel like I am making clear and salient points that are being ignored, and the reaction to me is that I'm not doing enough

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

[Sloonei]

What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

You said this before I posted my case.

[Sloonei]

M Plus 7 town
Russtifinko town
Sloonei town
TSP town

This is my towncore and I am unlikely to change my mind about these reads.

Dunya I pray to any god that exists that she's town, and I currently believe she is

Speedchuck lean town, a malleable read
G-Man lean not scum, a malleable read

Nanook slight scum lean
Nutella slight scum lean

DDL hard scum lean

DDL is town

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL, to clarify, you're saying that since sig flipped civ, you think TH was setting you up for a D3 lynch in his posts above? DDL and TH, are you each other's biggest suspects right now? TH, you said you were "the one person driving discussion (besides Sloonei)" today. Can you point me to where exactly you tried to rally people around something else, as opposed to saying not to lynch sig and to doubt NANOOK?

Not necessarily, I think it's between TH and nutella, with a sprinkle of G-Man.

TH's recent posts felt pretty emotional. THough I haven't played that much with bad TH so maybe he could fake emotion.

The one time I remember playing with baddie TH, he was like the most chill person in the universe. Impervious to negativity. Nothing could make him lose his cool. So it's making me doubt my read a little.

[speedchuck]

DDL/Nanook/Nutella mafia? I think it's possible.

I don't see DDL and Nanook tag teaming each other like this if they're both mafia. It's too buddy-y.

Also hey EOD was about 3 hours earlier than I thought it was because I can't read.

[speedchuck]

I don't view TH's thing as TMI because I agree with the actual points they were making.

Easy to say that now, of course.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I just want y’all to know I’ve requested to sub out. This isn’t and shouldn’t be considered to be AI. Yes, I know I just said in the last game that subbing out is probably scum. Whatever.

As to my reads: I have no clue what’s happening in this game.
I think there are safe scum teams (speed, TH, G-Man) that don’t require much mental energy, but I think I’ve been successfully pocketed by TH. Sloonei and Nutella could round out something with Nanook. I don’t think there’s anything worth calling a towncore, but associative reads can carry pretty far I think. Lynch one scum.

[nutella]

I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

Sorry I have been very distracted by other things so I haven't really gotten my head in this game. I don't have super hot takes, I have some townreads and a lot of people who haven't made much of an impression. I kinda think Sloonei is scum for being so focused on his garbage Gman case over everything else, but I've gone back and forth on him.

I think it's likely one of you and TH is bad based on this recent exchange.

[nutella]

What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

You said this before I posted my case.

Your case did nothing for me, you just pointed out some things in his posts that seemed typical from him imo. I don't see the problems you see, I see Gman's way of processing the game.

[nutella]

I need to look back at that awful G mislynch in GOC and see how much scum!Sloonei contributed to it and how that compares to his push here. I'm just getting a lil deja vu and I think G tends to be misread repeatedly for consistent reasons.

[Turnip Head]

I just want y’all to know I’ve requested to sub out. This isn’t and shouldn’t be considered to be AI. Yes, I know I just said in the last game that subbing out is probably scum. Whatever.

As to my reads: I have no clue what’s happening in this game.
I think there are safe scum teams (speed, TH, G-Man) that don’t require much mental energy, but I think I’ve been successfully pocketed by TH. Sloonei and Nutella could round out something with Nanook. I don’t think there’s anything worth calling a towncore, but associative reads can carry pretty far I think. Lynch one scum.

I can explain why you're towncore to me: You changed your read of me favorably at a time where you didn't have to and wouldn't have made sense to do so if you were scum. I can link it if you like, it felt extremely townie to me.

[Sloonei]

I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

Sorry I have been very distracted by other things so I haven't really gotten my head in this game. I don't have super hot takes, I have some townreads and a lot of people who haven't made much of an impression. I kinda think Sloonei is scum for being so focused on his garbage Gman case over everything else, but I've gone back and forth on him.

I think it's likely one of you and TH is bad based on this recent exchange.

nutella: “I don’t agree with the case on G-man.”

Sloonei: [presents a fresh new case against G-man]

nutella: “Sloonei’s G-man case is garbage.”

[Sloonei]

Nutella is indeed bad.

[Turnip Head]

Sloonei might be bad
But I think I’m wrong
To keep pursuing THead
Who Keeps chugging along

Here's the post where TSP changed his read on me. It doesn't appear to have been prompted by anything specific, it was not a reaction to anything specific. It feels like TSP genuinely changed his mind in a way that a scum player wouldn't think to do.

[nutella]

I can totally see bad nutella.

She's just... not very around.

Like compare to last game where she was extremely around. Saying things. Posting hot takes. Etc.

Sorry I have been very distracted by other things so I haven't really gotten my head in this game. I don't have super hot takes, I have some townreads and a lot of people who haven't made much of an impression. I kinda think Sloonei is scum for being so focused on his garbage Gman case over everything else, but I've gone back and forth on him.

I think it's likely one of you and TH is bad based on this recent exchange.

nutella: “I don’t agree with the case on G-man.”

Sloonei: [presents a fresh new case against G-man]

nutella: “Sloonei’s G-man case is garbage.”

Well it is.