FTL Mafia [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

My Jaydar is quite reliable and I have a hard time articulating how I can spot when he's fake but he's not fake here

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think you vets should bolster your bonds between each other and seek out who the weak link might be.

The game state feels weird because nobody is really talking about the people that they know. You have easy reads between each other, start forming town cores and then we can see if there's scum out of the vets.

There's slight pushes on Long Con and sig. Read their ISOs, give a conclusion, that's where the general consensus goes as to "they might be scum, but ehhhhhhhhhh", or at least how I see the game state.

I don't think this is entirely inaccurate. I believe the larger problem is that this game is "active" for <half the roster and inactive for the rest. So if there are mafia among the actives, they are inordinately hard to find here because we're stuck sorting the unsortables. And if there are mafia among the unsortables, there are no reliable ways for us to determine which one is the right one beyond barely-educated guessing.

I think Long Con looks like a civilian when he gets his cranky attitude going; I acknowledge it can be faked. I think sig looks bad in general and would lynch him first.

[MacDougall]

Nawww ppl like me

[nutella]

Mac's beginning to feel like a scrap god, scrap god
All the pilots from the front to the back nod, back nod

[Epignosis]

Thirty minutes remaining until Night ends.

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Who gets some sweet loot?

Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.
You may select 1 option

JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes


Voters: None

JiwonMeganPark
0
No votes


Voters: None

Long Con
0
No votes


Voters: None

MacDougall
4
40%


Voters: tedxtr, JiwonMeganPark, nutella, JaggedJimmyJay

motobot
0
No votes


Voters: None

Myo
0
No votes


Voters: None

nutella
1
10%


Voters: MacDougall

sig
0
No votes


Voters: None

Sloonei
0
No votes


Voters: None

tedxtr
0
No votes


Voters: None

The Notorious B.I.G. (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
50%


Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, dunya, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, Epignosis


Total votes: 10

[Epignosis]

Have things become crystal clear?

tedxtr has been destroyed. He was the Crystal Cruiser.

Spoiler: show

Crystal Lockdown Bomb: You coat your target with thick crystals. Your target is protected from all Night actions but is also blocked.

It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

[MacDougall]

Oh...

OH!

[Long Con]

Oh...

OH!

Yeah. Did he block someone?

[Long Con]

Mac's beginning to feel like a scrap god, scrap god
All the pilots from the front to the back nod, back nod

I read this post and said "oh yeah I have to scrap vote!" and voted for nutella, but then I realized I had missed it and I was voting in the lynch poll. So I changed to self-vote but don't get uptight about it.

[Long Con]

A glance at ted's later ISO has a definite Myo focus. Maybe he blocked Myo on Night 2 and that's why no kill.

[MacDougall]

Why Ted? That's such a weird kill.

[Long Con]

Oh yeah... or protected Myo from the kill. But Myo doesn't seem like a likely kill target, being a new player on this site, and with a respected towncore formed from Day 1 on.

[Long Con]

Why Ted? That's such a weird kill.

Strategy: don't kill the towncore, and let them fall apart suspecting one another when they're all alive later. Leave the most suspicious for lynching. Lynch tedxtr.

[nutella]

A glance at ted's later ISO has a definite Myo focus. Maybe he blocked Myo on Night 2 and that's why no kill.

That could make sense, yeah.

[Long Con]

I mean KILL tedxtr. Darny darn.

[MacDougall]

Oh yeah... or protected Myo from the kill. But Myo doesn't seem like a likely kill target, being a new player on this site, and with a respected towncore formed from Day 1 on.

I am pretty sure I was the target on night 2 if this is the case. Tedxtr was treating me like a confirm.

[Long Con]

Oh yeah... or protected Myo from the kill. But Myo doesn't seem like a likely kill target, being a new player on this site, and with a respected towncore formed from Day 1 on.

I am pretty sure I was the target on night 2 if this is the case. Tedxtr was treating me like a confirm.

But so are most of the other players, aren't they? How is ted's different?

[MacDougall]

Wait he wasn't a doctor he was a roleblocker so he wouldn't have a confirm...

His primary focus was on Myo though you are right about that.

[nutella]

Wait he wasn't a doctor he was a roleblocker so he wouldn't have a confirm...

His primary focus was on Myo though you are right about that.

He was a jailkeeper. So he wouldn't know whether the person he targeted was the killer or the survivor.

[MacDougall]

Wait he wasn't a doctor he was a roleblocker so he wouldn't have a confirm...

His primary focus was on Myo though you are right about that.

He was a jailkeeper. So he wouldn't know whether the person he targeted was the killer or the survivor.

True that. I think he targeted Myo. His first post on day 3 was an empty vote on Myo.

[nutella]

[VOTE: myo] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Wait he wasn't a doctor he was a roleblocker so he wouldn't have a confirm...

His primary focus was on Myo though you are right about that.

He was a jailkeeper. So he wouldn't know whether the person he targeted was the killer or the survivor.

True that. I think he targeted Myo. His first post on day 3 was an empty vote on Myo.

Did ted’s position on myo change from days 2 to 3, or was he suspicious of her prior to the no-kill night?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Myo is a possibility. I do note however that ted moved his vote to sig less than 30 minutes after he placed that initial Day 3 Myo vote.

[nutella]

Myo is a possibility. I do note however that ted moved his vote to sig less than 30 minutes after he placed that initial Day 3 Myo vote.

hmm

[MacDougall]

Myo is a possibility. I do note however that ted moved his vote to sig less than 30 minutes after he placed that initial Day 3 Myo vote.

Yeah because he had a JK not a roleblock so he'd be 50/50 on it. I think the empty vote was a breadcrumb.

[Sloonei]

Lynch someone with a 3-letter name.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Myo[/mention] [mention]sig[/mention] what are your thoughts as of this moment?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think he jailed sig, or that order of operations wouldn't exist. Myo is still plausible. I am checking the full ISO.

[nutella]

Myo is a possibility. I do note however that ted moved his vote to sig less than 30 minutes after he placed that initial Day 3 Myo vote.

Yeah because he had a JK not a roleblock so he'd be 50/50 on it. I think the empty vote was a breadcrumb.

But I can't imagine assuming any likelihood that Myo was the kill target

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tedxtr on Myo:

Day 1

Spoiler: show

I think it's too wolfy to be a wolf but they seem like posts that wolves make anyway.

I have a bad habit of scum reading posts that I can't understand.

This wasn't really scum reading Jack but it just felt like...what did I just read

and it felt this way for a few pages now

I feel like there's no villager posts, I think Myo is maybe slightly >rand to be a villager.

I think there's a bunch of NAI content and Myo is the easiest read. She's being pure.

Day 2

Spoiler: show

sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay - town
JiwonMeganPark - who
Long Con - who
MacDougall - town
motobot - who
Myo - who
nutella - being careful here
sig - who
Sloonei - town
Soneji - town
Spacedaisy - scum
tedxtr - lack claire town

Yeah yeah I’m sorting the who sometime

I keep mixing up posts from Myo with Jiwon is it just me

I feel like they’re playing in a hydra but from separate accounts

Day 3

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Myo ] aubergine

Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

Pocketed?

If you find mentioning being pocketed to be a scum tell, why did you not point it out in Jack’s post?

Myo -

Yeah, there are some points of concern.

Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

This is virtually doing nothing. In here, the mindset is to...correct me, instead of...deducing my alignment. It lacks a certain inquisitive switch that turns on after reading a post like mine and just resorts to telling me why I'm wrong and not what that means for my alignment.

Not only is it very hard to grasp what she means here (if you got it, please simplify it for me) but she HERSELF didn't really know what Soneji was talking about when mentioning the "salad" thing. How do you expect to be right in your reasoning by correcting me when you have no idea what salad is or if it's even relevant to ask. My argument was hinging on the fact that it's a useless question, Myo defended it saying it wasn't but Soneji's post didn't really further anything. Might fall down a rabbit hole here, but I don't really get how you can say a question is useful if you don't know what the content of it is.

weh

Ugh, my comment ate itself. Gonna try posting this again.

The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?

I get good vibes from MacDougall. He talks a lot and it’s jokey and chaotic while still being *mostly* on topic. Chatter generates more chatter and a talkative town certainly has more momentum behind them, so I like that he’s been consistently active in the earliest phases.

The more talkative someone it, the easier it is to get a good feel of their affiliation so this kind of play-style is riskier for a wolf to take on without really getting the benefit of derailing the town, since he’s been mostly on topic.

I like the rapid-fire comments because it seems like he’s saying what’s on his mind here and now without bothering to think though how other people are going to read his comments.

Some of his comment come across as deliberately trying to get under people’s skin? I don’t love the tone of all of them but riling people up to see their reactions isn’t a bad way to get a feel for alignments, although a bit mean IMO.

I just get massive TMI vibes here, I think she's going through the motions of sorting. It's not something very relevant or it's not showing a progression as to how she got to the read.

"Mac posts a lot so he's town" but with a bunch of other words to inflate the importance of the read and it being actually genuine.

I count one (1) read made in the history of this thread by Myo, and it's an extremely controversial take:

MacDougall town

bad look

You think it's a bad read when you also think that he is town (according to your list)?

He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

After writing this comment I realise that you are the Sloonei I was referring to.

Also, what on earth is linki? I've seen it written a few times. Sorry for all the clarification questions, the new jargon has been a bit overwhelming.

Things that stand out:

Mac is being town read for "saying whatever's on his mind" but Long Con is derailing the thread when he's speaking his mind.

I think I'm at a point where I'm already locked on this read, I'm like...70% confident, if you want a rough estimate.

I don't know if I have enough clout to pull this off, but thankfully it's on a low poster so people will be incentivized to vote. I encourage voting here.

[VOTE: Myo ] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Notes:

Day 1 - frivolous town read
Day 2 - who is Myo?
Day 3 - murder

Supports jailing I think.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: myo] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For additional context, ted provided that ISO/case against Myo in response to nutella demanding he give reads. It was the second ISO he checked after motobot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

With 9 players alive we're at 6 vs. 2 (+1), so there is some urgency to solve the game right now. Pending the independent's purpose, one wrong move means at least MyLo. This also calls for a POE pool of three. I know this is not and has not been a game friendly to solving, but I think a leap of faith or two can bring us within reach.

Fuck it, you're town tier - I can question any of these, but at this point I don't care. Either by evidence, by tone, or by both, I can come up with some reason to call these four people civilians.

Mac
nutella
Sloonei
Long Con

If I accept what's above, you four remain tier

Jiwon
motobot
Myo
sig

Removing one of these four would be a big help. motobot may be worth consideration, as tedxtr was decently vocal in his defense just before getting shot. I would prefer some new posts come to our doorstep though.

[Long Con]

nutella I hope your Jaydar is right, because this guy just became my buddy!

[nutella]

I would remove sig, but I know many disagree with me so maybe I shouldn't be so confident in him. Definitely need more content from him either way

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would remove sig, but I know many disagree with me so maybe I shouldn't be so confident in him. Definitely need more content from him either way

I'm less gung-ho about lynching him than I was this time yesterday. Tentatively and vaguely.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Maybe it was never about Myo OR Jiwon.

It was Myo AND Jiwon.

[Myo]

@Myo @sig what are your thoughts as of this moment?

I think that I have multiple pings from Ted that I cannot respond to now and that I'm not evil. Tedxtr's conclusion in his look into my comments seems like he's just trying to put forward a lunch suggestion that he knows people can get behind (he says this himself in more or less the exact same words). Based on the earlier action from the phase (your little chart with the player rankings) it's pretty clear that I'm the person that the most people (by a grand margin of 1) find sus.

I haven't read through everything yet (I didn't realise that the night phase ended early today) but based on the not huge number of comments I don't think my opinions will have changed that much on who I find sus (although I guess I do need to consider what people have said about suspicions and how Tedxtr's affiliation plays into that).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

[Myo]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

[Myo]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

My opinions haven't changed. Apparently I was the only one to find him sus. He's the top ranked for town points according to your chart, which is indicative of why he was killed. I don't really get that since his comments really don't scream town to me when I read though but whatever.

[Sloonei]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

My opinions haven't changed. Apparently I was the only one to find him sus. He's the top ranked for town points according to your chart, which is indicative of why he was killed. I don't really get that since his comments really don't scream town to me when I read though but whatever.

Who else doesn’t scream town at you?

[Myo]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

My opinions haven't changed. Apparently I was the only one to find him sus. He's the top ranked for town points according to your chart, which is indicative of why he was killed. I don't really get that since his comments really don't scream town to me when I read though but whatever.

Who else doesn’t scream town at you?

Long Con and JaggedJimmyJay are still my top 2 wolf picks. If I’m picking a third according to the idea that we need a pool of 3 it would be JiwonMeganPark for her comment about everyone voting you, it came across as opportunistic. There are very few people I implicitly trust. Limited to MacDougall, Nutella and to a slightly lesser extent, you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con and JaggedJimmyJay are still my top 2 wolf picks.

Why

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[MacDougall]

Mac's beginning to feel like a scrap god, scrap god
All the pilots from the front to the back nod, back nod

This is the best post ever

[MacDougall]

Myo I cannot tell what you're saying there. Do you find ted suspicious?

Well no, he's dead and was revealed to be town. Right? I'm not misreading that?

No that's right. I don't know what you were trying to say in your post. You seemed to suggest you had some kind of hunting work you wanted to do though, so I'll leave you to it.

My opinions haven't changed. Apparently I was the only one to find him sus. He's the top ranked for town points according to your chart, which is indicative of why he was killed. I don't really get that since his comments really don't scream town to me when I read though but whatever.

Who else doesn’t scream town at you?

Long Con and JaggedJimmyJay are still my top 2 wolf picks. If I’m picking a third according to the idea that we need a pool of 3 it would be JiwonMeganPark for her comment about everyone voting you, it came across as opportunistic. There are very few people I implicitly trust. Limited to MacDougall, Nutella and to a slightly lesser extent, you.

Pocket accepted