Space Invaders [END]

[Alison]

There is absolutely 0 reason to take Caro out from your PoE. You are being pocketed like crazy and will be humiliated postgame for locking a townread on scum who slipped in front of your face.

wow lol that's some aggressive wording. fwiw, i'm never humiliated in mafia; if i'm fooled, i tip my hat to them.

also you're kinda tming about me.

So this is actually an interesting post. Alison is either super frustrated or making an emotionally manipulative post to Dunya re their reads. I don't see Alison as the emotionally manipulative type. Could be very wrong. Seems weird either way a bit.

How is Alison's confidence level so high on Carotenoid being scum? I mean if they are right and been telling us for 3 days straight I can kind of see their frustration.

Maybe because I've been pointing out scummy behavior after scummy behavior for literally the entire game and then Caro slips right in front of my face and nobody believes me and also has no reasonable argument against my case? Maybe that's why I'm so confident about her being scum?

[Alison]

God bless nutella seeing sense. Blast Caro so I can have my big I told you so moment pretty please?

[Carotenoid]

1) I'm in her PoE since the very beginning, and yet I'm still alive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nutella jumped on dunya at SoD, not me So nah, I don't feel in danger.

2) That's just because there's no other realistic explanation, so I feel very comforting assuming my save worked.

Re the second point do you STILL hold that belief?

Yes.

I'm never w/w with TonyStarkPrime lol

Was there any clearing interaction? I don't recall one.

D1 I made a case on him and then we had a serie of attacking each other before relunctlantly town reading each other
The last two days he's been "it's just carot" with no explanation

[Carotenoid]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

[Carotenoid]

[mention]nutella[/mention] shoot Alison or me. Please don't shoot dunya.

[protocultures]

Once again, I literally don't need to "fake clear" myself.
Also, it's just a bad mechanical strategy and I refuse to be tied with that.

Everyone present already implied they didn't save at this time. The only ones not present are the ones I believe to be the last aliens so no, I don't see the problem.

TSP and Mac haven't claimed yet right?

[protocultures]

(shower me with gratitude, proto)

Tyty but what was the tinfoil?

[Carotenoid]

If I'm an alien I don't need this, I'm not under a "heavy amount of suspicion".

I think I disagree on this point. I'm probably townreading you the most out of everyone and you are number 3 or 4 in a list of 6.

Well I mean
The suspicion on me is much more "hMn whAt hAs cAroTtE doNe mAybE shE'S scUm" rather than "[actual case with progression]"

[protocultures]

Once again, I literally don't need to "fake clear" myself.
Also, it's just a bad mechanical strategy and I refuse to be tied with that.

Everyone present already implied they didn't save at this time. The only ones not present are the ones I believe to be the last aliens so no, I don't see the problem.

I'm sorry but you're not wriggling out of this. You saw a chance to try to win the game on the spot by fake-clearing yourself as town and you took it. You can argue all you want about how you wouldn't have done it, how you don't need to do it, but the fact is that 1) the strategy is one which makes sense for scum to do and 2) it explains something that can't be explained if you're town.

Carotenoid could be town that made a mistake? I mean you think carotenoid is mafia who made the same mistake.

[Carotenoid]

I mean obviously Alison is making the correct play by pushing me and trying to be convincing because if I get lasered right now I'll probably be towncleared for real at D5. ^^

I still maintain that I saved Epignosis and that I literally have no interest of drawing attention to me with this information if I'm an alien.

I'm also never w/w with TonyStarkPrime.

[dunya]

God bless nutella seeing sense. Blast Caro so I can have my big I told you so moment pretty please?

[protocultures]

your confidence is what makes it unbelievable.

you are refusing to believe in a world where carot does protect epi (who was even more townread than proto at the time) under any possibility whatsoever and that's reverse-tmi i guess? it doesn't feel like you suspicion is coming from a paranoid townie anymore, but a more aggressive alien who's running out of options and frustrated their kills aren't going through.

why are you so sure that mafia DIDN'T shoot one of epi/proto? it doesn't make sense to me at all that they'd shoot sabie and just say yeah, fuck it, i'm gonna shoot nutella and waste the second shot. they're not going to shoot between me, mac, or carot because we're in the deep end of the poe. and of course, you're not shooting each other. epi/porto makes perfect logical sense and the fact you can't come around to that just emphasizes that you are an alien.

@nutella shoot me today, shoot alison next phase please, and then it's between tsp and mac. i would shoot tsp before mac.

Think you guys are talking last eachother.

Alison isn't saying carotenoid is mafia for saving epi or that epi couldn't have been their save. Alison is saying carotenoid is scum for pushing the conclusion that their save worked in epi when it's impossible to actually conclude that at the time the claim was made.

@alison - am I right? Do you find it weird Dunya is pushing the world you are an alien for pushing carotenoid? I think it's possible Caro and Alison are just town btw.

[Carotenoid]

hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

[dunya]

so proto is spewed clear from the interaction with Carot, not that that's surprising, and I also think dunya looks clear from this. It's hard to believe that a dunya/Carot wolf team just decided to have a townread and hug each other in thread when nutella has stated intent to shoot dunya. It looks more to me like Carot is just townreading dunya because she knows dunya will flip town and wants to look good after dunya gets shot. That leaves TSP and Mac in the PoE as Carot's partner.

hmmmmmm

don't believe her. she's claiming carot is pocketing me, but she's done the exact same thing.

carot does not skip a kill last night. carot does not hit you on n2 when she knew more than 2 townies were protecting you.

[dunya]

I think it's possible Caro and Alison are just town btw.

[dunya]

alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime would help to know your night action if any for night 4

no action taken/

[Carotenoid]

alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

^this

[TonyStarkPrime]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

[Carotenoid]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

Who are the last aliens?

[dunya]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

what do you think of alison?

[nutella]

why are dunya and carot both acting like they have tmi on each other




why do simultaneously no worlds and too many worlds make sense






my head hurts

[Carotenoid]

dunya and me found each other and will watch aliens get nuked while eating chickpea salad

[protocultures]

@protocultures what do you make of all of this?

Generally yes it's not that bad for aliens to split KP into Nutella last night. Not going to comment too much more because don't want to tell aliens what I think ideal night kill strat is and I'm not even sure I have correctly identified it.

The example re where do aliens put KP is not as simple though because in Alison's example she has 2 known towns (Alison and proto) but for town it's not so easy to agree a plan where I am protected. Hope that makes sense.

I will also say since Carotenoid modelled it in night 4, I'm surprised they think it's that bad for aliens to do. TSP modelled it as well. Kind of makes TSP possible mastermind for the night actions. But obviously Alison as well since she literally showed us.

[dunya]

[Carotenoid]

Hey also, I am now *200%* sure that I saved Epignosis!

[TonyStarkPrime]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

what do you think of alison?

I lost the ability to track this game with whatever happened this morning. Did someone retract their save of epi? was there a save on carot?

as per the scum team, has alison/dunya been disqualified? seems strong.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hey also, I am now *200%* sure that I saved Epignosis!

Carot saved epi we're talking about if anyone else saved someone (no) thereby clearing Carot as likely town barring Carot being an alien and creating a foolproof plan

[dunya]

[Carotenoid]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

what do you think of alison?

I lost the ability to track this game with whatever happened this morning. Did someone retract their save of epi? was there a save on carot?

as per the scum team, has alison/dunya been disqualified? seems strong.

[TonyStarkPrime]

lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

what do you think of alison?

I lost the ability to track this game with whatever happened this morning. Did someone retract their save of epi? was there a save on carot?

as per the scum team, has alison/dunya been disqualified? seems strong.

i got confused okay

[dunya]

thereby clearing Carot as likely town barring Carot being an alien and creating a foolproof plan

what an amazing conclusion! where were you 9 hours ago? ;p

[TonyStarkPrime]

thereby clearing Carot as likely town barring Carot being an alien and creating a foolproof plan

what an amazing conclusion! where were you 9 hours ago? ;p

I had stuff.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

[protocultures]

1) I'm in her PoE since the very beginning, and yet I'm still alive ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ nutella jumped on dunya at SoD, not me So nah, I don't feel in danger.

2) That's just because there's no other realistic explanation, so I feel very comforting assuming my save worked.

Re the second point do you STILL hold that belief?

Yes.

I'm never w/w with TonyStarkPrime lol

Was there any clearing interaction? I don't recall one.

D1 I made a case on him and then we had a serie of attacking each other before relunctlantly town reading each other
The last two days he's been "it's just carot" with no explanation

I hate you hold this belief when you know the arguments and it's before TSP replied and Mac still hasn't replied. It's just weird. Like scummy level weird now.

[protocultures]

Hey also, I am now *200%* sure that I saved Epignosis!

Carot saved epi we're talking about if anyone else saved someone (no) thereby clearing Carot as likely town barring Carot being an alien and creating a foolproof plan

I wish I had TSP's ability to read it all that fast and create an accurate TL;DR.

[TonyStarkPrime]

proto I haven't read anything not on this page

[dunya]

Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

and?

[TonyStarkPrime]

carot/??? ? like. even if carot's faking, who's the scum mate in this situation? It just doesn't work out.

[protocultures]

alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

^this

I hard disagree. Alison feels not listened to.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

and?

what do you mean and that's a complete story

[Carotenoid]

I hate you hold this belief when you know the arguments and it's before TSP replied and Mac still hasn't replied. It's just weird. Like scummy level weird now.

I mean. Sure, objectively I couldn't know for sure sure sure but my gut told me that was it and facts pointed that I was probably right. This is like how this whole game works

[dunya]

Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

and?

what do you mean and that's a complete story

well catch up and continue the story ;p

[protocultures]

hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

[TonyStarkPrime]

the best thing proto has going for him fmpov is that he's been made to look bad by almost every flip

I think it's between Carot and TSP for Dunya's partner. I don't think it's Alison because Alison/mac worlds have been pushed too much and it's likely that the mafia have been building to trying to convince nutella of that.

huh maybe it can just be proto.

per alison/mac, seems like the implication would be that one of you is scum and is gonna flip, no?

[dunya]

alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

^this

I hard disagree. Alison feels not listened to.

are you an alien TMIing town defences to everyone?

because i can't understand how you think alison feels not listened to, and yet alison's unmoving 100% stance on carot is engaging in any way or has any townie paranoia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

My PoE is:

Scum:
Mac
Dunya
NANOOK
Dizzy
Soneji(?)

Town:
TSP
Epi
proto
Alison
Carot(?)

I feel sure on these for now, I will go to sleep now, maybe I am here for more 15 mins or so, I haven't sorted the other 3 btw

arbitrarily he probably doesn't ? both of his teammates right

[protocultures]

I hate you hold this belief when you know the arguments and it's before TSP replied and Mac still hasn't replied. It's just weird. Like scummy level weird now.

I mean. Sure, objectively I couldn't know for sure sure sure but my gut told me that was it and facts pointed that I was probably right. This is like how this whole game works

I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

[dunya]

I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

wtf

lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

I hate you hold this belief when you know the arguments and it's before TSP replied and Mac still hasn't replied. It's just weird. Like scummy level weird now.

I mean. Sure, objectively I couldn't know for sure sure sure but my gut told me that was it and facts pointed that I was probably right. This is like how this whole game works

I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

???. Considering Alison/ proto, seems too clear from this
linki: yeah