Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Hally]

What I'm doing is not a pre-flip association. A pre-flip association is weak because it is susceptible to exactly what Wisp said. If Hally is scum only they have an association with FG and I think FG is scum, then my reads are a house of cards - if FG flips town then the Hally read is totally invalidated.

But that is not what I am doing. I am pointing to a behavior that they are both engaging in - awkward interaction - and saying that it is behavior that reflects badly on both of them and makes them both more likely to be scum.

Also Hally admitted themselves that the interaction was awkward - they said "it's a good case if not for the fact that I'm town", which they wouldn't say if they didn't agree that the interaction was in fact awkward and did to some degree make them both look like scum buddies.

i was being cheeky when i said it was a good theory

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I kinda want to TR sabie but I don’t have much confidence in an early tone read there. Definitely high end of the POE for me tho, like in the alison/FG/Tony grouping probably

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Wisp[/mention] your reads seem to be quite against-the-grain for the moment. You don't agree on much with your town reads. What do you think is going on there?

[Hally]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this is an accurate expectation

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

and if you don't think this is a bad look then go ahead and prove me wrong-- ask everyone in your town core to substantiate their reads

[KitsuShel]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this is an accurate expectation

I mean it’s complimentary so I didn’t think you’d mind

[Hally]

I was surprised by how many I am feeling wishy washy about.

towny post

literally caught a wolf in a turbo last night off the same thing

wdym?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

Basically yes

[Millium]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

why are you overreacting? How is he a mis-kill?

[Spacedaisy]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

It’s Day 0, I lean bad on people that I feel null about. Why would I be more trusting of people this early in the game?

[Hally]

if im being as generous as i can i can call these people town

epi
jay
wisp
space
nanook
tony
alison
sabie

this already feels like too many town reads for this stage in the game, but that’s par for the course for me. i promise i’ll reevaluate at some point

where does the town read on sabie come from? Had you brought it up before?

i liked her vibe

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m prepared to townread kits for the time being #parentsunitedfront

[JaggedJimmyJay]

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

I'm not sure I have enough bads in there. How many mafia are there?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m prepared to townread kits for the time being #parentsunitedfront

I’m only half joking I do think kits is kinda townie

[Millium]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

its mafia? what should we be doing?
and what do you mean by meta-gaming?

if you are talking about mechanical reads
I got Hally at claiming miller
and whoever the dude that claimed doctor, as bad day 1 lynches

[Hally]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

im not really understanding what you’re up in arms about?

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

why are you overreacting? How is he a mis-kill?

1. not overreacting.

2. sprityo was killed last game i played because he was magically scum read by everyone except me basically. and he flipped town. do i think he's town now? i mean not necessarily. he's null for me

[Millium]

I’m prepared to townread kits for the time being #parentsunitedfront

I’m only half joking I do think kits is kinda townie

ok boomer

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

For the most part I think this has been about getting reads on each other. The game started somewhat spammy, but it has solidified into a well-oiled machine of Mafia work. Some of that is arguing and some of that metagaming, but not all of it. Do you have feelings about any players after catching up?

[Hally]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

fair

[KitsuShel]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

Basically yes

Cool, cool. Makes sense. I’m unfamiliar with a few terms being batted around, is there a glossary on this site somewhere? I think I get the gist for the most part, though.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

its mafia? what should we be doing?
and what do you mean by meta-gaming?

if you are talking about mechanical reads
I got Hally at claiming miller
and whoever the dude that claimed doctor, as bad day 1 lynches

Using meta is metagaming

Wilgy claims doctor in first post almost every game, he’s literally a doctor.

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

It’s Day 0, I lean bad on people that I feel null about. Why would I be more trusting of people this early in the game?

why not say null then??? this makes you appear like you have more of an opinion on players than you do. i'm not saying to be more trusting-- what i'm getting at is i don't trust *your* reads.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

Basically yes

Cool, cool. Makes sense. I’m unfamiliar with a few terms being batted around, is there a glossary on this site somewhere? I think I get the gist for the most part, though.

Not that I’m aware of but lots of us are happy to help with any lingo

Learning a new sites terminology can be pretty daunting/irritating sometimes!

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

im not really understanding what you’re up in arms about?

i don't trust early game town cores

[Hally]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

its mafia? what should we be doing?
and what do you mean by meta-gaming?

if you are talking about mechanical reads
I got Hally at claiming miller
and whoever the dude that claimed doctor, as bad day 1 lynches

ftr i think wigly’s doc claim is a meme. it’s in his name

[Spacedaisy]

Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?

its mafia? what should we be doing?
and what do you mean by meta-gaming?

if you are talking about mechanical reads
I got Hally at claiming miller
and whoever the dude that claimed doctor, as bad day 1 lynches

Using meta is metagaming

Wilgy claims doctor in first post almost every game, he’s literally a doctor.

LOL, I was so confused for a second. I was wondering how I missed someone claiming Doctor. Now it makes sense, I’m so used to it I don’t even think about it.

[Funnygurl555]

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

I'm not sure I have enough bads in there. How many mafia are there?

eh i think not enough has happened for people to suspect have the game. and idk how many wolves there are i'm just going with the golden 3:1 ratio

[Hally]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

It’s Day 0, I lean bad on people that I feel null about. Why would I be more trusting of people this early in the game?

why not say null then??? this makes you appear like you have more of an opinion on players than you do. i'm not saying to be more trusting-- what i'm getting at is i don't trust *your* reads.

not having nulls is quite literally the point of the gth excercise

[Spacedaisy]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

It’s Day 0, I lean bad on people that I feel null about. Why would I be more trusting of people this early in the game?

why not say null then??? this makes you appear like you have more of an opinion on players than you do. i'm not saying to be more trusting-- what i'm getting at is i don't trust *your* reads.

Because I’m GTH reads you aren’t allowed to say null. It’s literally just a split second knee jerk response. That’s why we are substantiating them, we are just feeling out the gut reactions of ourselves and everyone else. Sometimes it gives away someone who is bad.

[Alison]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this makes no sense

if you believe that town hally can have awkward interactions with someone then you should also believe scum hally can have awkward interactions with someone

it's not like scum hally has a switch to turn off the awkwardness, and I generally believe that having to fake organic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness

[Millium]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

why are you overreacting? How is he a mis-kill?

1. not overreacting.

2. sprityo was killed last game i played because he was magically scum read by everyone except me basically. and he flipped town. do i think he's town now? i mean not necessarily. he's null for me

is he even being voted though, was my point?
that sounds like a him problem

[mention]Hally[/mention]
I take hard-claims very seriously
also has he even come back yet

I guess that explains why nobody was phased by it

[Hally]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

im not really understanding what you’re up in arms about?

i don't trust early game town cores

why? who specifically do you not trust?

[Funnygurl555]

ok fine w/e im not used to this gth stuff

[Millium]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this makes no sense

if you believe that town hally can have awkward interactions with someone then you should also believe scum hally can have awkward interactions with someone

it's not like scum hally has a switch to turn off the awkwardness, and I generally believe that having to fake organic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness

^^^

Nanook is full of these mediocre reads, that mean absolutely nothing
where is this interaction again? I still wanna read it

[Funnygurl555]

Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.

literally rand%

Why is that equal to a random distribution?

if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

im not really understanding what you’re up in arms about?

i don't trust early game town cores

why? who specifically do you not trust?

lots of early game reads are based on meta and tone which makes it easy for a scum to get town read early game

anyways first of all i dont trust jjj

[Hally]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this makes no sense

if you believe that town hally can have awkward interactions with someone then you should also believe scum hally can have awkward interactions with someone

it's not like scum hally has a switch to turn off the awkwardness, and I generally believe that having to fake organic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness

i would never give a teammate away like that if i was a wolf. take that for what you will

also im town

[Alison]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

I would probably do this as scum yeah

really I think in general if I make a post it's because I want people to read that post and pay attention to it and that goes as either alignment so obviously I'd bring it up if everyone ignores it

there are special circumstances where I don't want people to read the posts I write but those are rare and this isn't one of them

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this makes no sense

if you believe that town hally can have awkward interactions with someone then you should also believe scum hally can have awkward interactions with someone

it's not like scum hally has a switch to turn off the awkwardness, and I generally believe that having to fake organic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness

I don’t think this is true

I mean I get why you do, but I disagree, ime decent scum players are less likely to have awkward interactions both in general and specifically with their partner(s).

[Funnygurl555]

jjj more like fff, 1 f for each person who has to be his wolf partner

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fair or not I expect Hally to be better at the game than getting caught off “awkward convo with a partner early D1”

this makes no sense

if you believe that town hally can have awkward interactions with someone then you should also believe scum hally can have awkward interactions with someone

it's not like scum hally has a switch to turn off the awkwardness, and I generally believe that having to fake organic back and forths with a partner amps up the awkwardness

^^^

Nanook is full of these mediocre reads, that mean absolutely nothing
where is this interaction again? I still wanna read it

I mean they’re usually correct, so

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jjj more like fff, 1 f for each person who has to be his wolf partner

Your read on me is fake.

[Hally]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

I would probably do this as scum yeah

really I think in general if I make a post it's because I want people to read that post and pay attention to it and that goes as either alignment so obviously I'd bring it up if everyone ignores it

there are special circumstances where I don't want people to read the posts I write but those are rare and this isn't one of them

ok, town points revoked

[Funnygurl555]

jjj more like fff, 1 f for each person who has to be his wolf partner

Your read on me is fake.

you're fake

i bet your name isn't even jack

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

I would probably do this as scum yeah

really I think in general if I make a post it's because I want people to read that post and pay attention to it and that goes as either alignment so obviously I'd bring it up if everyone ignores it

there are special circumstances where I don't want people to read the posts I write but those are rare and this isn't one of them

“What do you think about carot?”

“I think I’m on to something with carot can you comment on that?”

“Ok but what about carot?”

[Hally]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

I would probably do this as scum yeah

really I think in general if I make a post it's because I want people to read that post and pay attention to it and that goes as either alignment so obviously I'd bring it up if everyone ignores it

there are special circumstances where I don't want people to read the posts I write but those are rare and this isn't one of them

“What do you think about carot?”

“I think I’m on to something with carot can you comment on that?”

“Ok but what about carot?”

oh

right

i forgot she did that

[Spacedaisy]

ok fine w/e im not used to this gth stuff

I am struggling to decide if I think your tone is coming from a baddie that feels caught by they didn’t expect, or a civ who is frustrated that others see the game differently than they do.

It doesn’t help that I’ve never played with you before.

[Alison]

Why did nobody pick up my theory when I mentioned it and then everyone goes from online and present for the GTH game to vanishing immediately when I mentioned it again

this sentiment of “why isnt anyone paying attention to my ideas” is >rand town ime because town actually care about getting people to engage with their ideas

not unfakeable but its a ~good sign

Hard disagree coming from alison imo

I would probably do this as scum yeah

really I think in general if I make a post it's because I want people to read that post and pay attention to it and that goes as either alignment so obviously I'd bring it up if everyone ignores it

there are special circumstances where I don't want people to read the posts I write but those are rare and this isn't one of them

“What do you think about carot?”

“I think I’m on to something with carot can you comment on that?”

“Ok but what about carot?”

exactly

I wanted everyone to see how hard I was gamesolving and pushing Carot! And hopefully maybe even get her mislasered! I wanted people to pay attention to my posts, which I want as all alignments! If I don't want people to pay attention to my posts I just won't make them.