Jack Attack Mafia (Day 5)

[Epignosis]

Is there a good reason I should believe Kitsu is not an enemy of the civilian faction?

I've shared my thoughts on this. I feel like her role sounds like 3p or mafia more than town.

And I responded each and every time that I’m the town vig, and I can only make a kill every other night. I’d suggest that you reread the flavor in the write ups, but then I’m sure I’d just hear about how much you guys here don’t “do”/“like” that sort of thing.

I’m going to constantly kicking myself for not keeping my vote on Epi. I had such a strong feeling that if Alison flopped town, then Epi was maf. I’m mad that I let myself be swayed.

First, your vote wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Second, you can kill me. Why haven't you?

[Epignosis]

Also, if I had been maf or 3P, I certainly wouldn’t have chosen those particular targets.

Which targets would you have chosen?

[KitsuShel]

Is there a good reason I should believe Kitsu is not an enemy of the civilian faction?

I've shared my thoughts on this. I feel like her role sounds like 3p or mafia more than town.

And I responded each and every time that I’m the town vig, and I can only make a kill every other night. I’d suggest that you reread the flavor in the write ups, but then I’m sure I’d just hear about how much you guys here don’t “do”/“like” that sort of thing.

I’m going to constantly kicking myself for not keeping my vote on Epi. I had such a strong feeling that if Alison flopped town, then Epi was maf. I’m mad that I let myself be swayed.

First, your vote wouldn't have accomplished anything.

Second, you can kill me. Why haven't you?

If I’d have left my vote on you, Tony wouldn’t have been yeeted.

Because I hemmed and hawed and tried to be a team player and go with the town suggestion, as opposed to my own feelings.

It’s null at this point now. I’m either getting yeeted tomorrow or poisoned.

[KitsuShel]

Also, if I had been maf or 3P, I certainly wouldn’t have chosen those particular targets.

Which targets would you have chosen?

If I wasn’t town, I’d have taken out Hally sooner and JJJ (if I knew for sure he was town).

[Jackofhearts2005]

Night 4

The old man in black and the blonde man in black sat together, drinking and keeping watch near the original Jack.

“I tire of this game,” the blonde man protested. “These fools are not worthy to face me.”

“It’s not your face I’m worried about,” the old man nodded to the original Jack. “It’s his. And it isn’t a game. It’s a test. Failure of which will lead to…grave consequences.”

The blonde man smirked. “Have it your way.” He took a sip of wine. “He’s getting stronger, you know. Each death brings us closer to the end. Your plan will only take us so far.”

“So far?” the old man brought his own glass to his lips. “So good.”

Nobody has died. Please note that the D4 host post has been updated.

[Millium]

Long Con
nutella
Wisp
KitsuShel
sabie12
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay

1. 3 Mafia puts us in lylo
2. 2 Mafia means we have one more mislynch, as long as in town!Kitsu worlds they do not misfire, or holster
3. There are just a bunch of 3ps I guess?

I don't know, someone throw me a bone here

[Millium]

I know based on my info that the POE is strictly JJJ, Sabie, Kitsu

[Millium]

I guess two depends on poison save/yeeting the person poisoned?
or we have a save from Long Con

[Millium]

worse case is we lynch town
4/2

a poisoned target dies, 3/2

wait we lose in this world if they can kill normally, and if Kitsu is a wolf we just lose?

[Millium]

ya I am just going to treat today like its Lylo/Mylo

[Millium]

I might just read through the game ignoring mechanics and see what I find
but that's not happening till tomorrow

[JaggedJimmyJay]

General question to all:

Are all threat(s) contained in the unconfirmed group (sabie, Kitsu, JJJ), or is one of Wisp’s checks inaccurate (or Wisp himself a threat)?

Just tell me your immediate gut viewpoint.

[nutella]

General question to all:

Are all threat(s) contained in the unconfirmed group (sabie, Kitsu, JJJ), or is one of Wisp’s checks inaccurate (or Wisp himself a threat)?

Just tell me your immediate gut viewpoint.

first one

[nutella]

[VOTE: kitsushel] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What exactly is your role nutella? You prevent tampering somehow? How does it work?

[Millium]

he prevents anything that could possibly affect your role
Manipulations aka roleblocks, redirects
Passives, like godfather, millers
etc... etc...

He basically gives out strong-will modifiers every night

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[Millium]

its pretty detailed honestly
in regards to killing roles, he can stop them from being prevented

[Millium]

Basically it makes any role strong-willed, as well as makes all the information they would gain, truthful

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks Wisp.

I’m going to see how Hally felt about the game on Night 2 when presumably they’d have been poisoned.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Remember when the Day 2 poll title explicitly indicated that we should be hunting for the killer of Nanook AND Funnygurl?

[Millium]

which implies Kitsu and Funny

[Millium]

[VOTE: Kitsu] aubergine
Honestly doesn't hurt to vote, since majority isn't a thing, and I will always be around to change my vote

[JaggedJimmyJay]

which implies Kitsu and Funny

Pawn and Kitsu as the killers respectively, if that's what you meant?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm considering Kitsu as a killer and a poisoner and I can see a general game strategy that fits.

~ Claim miller to discourage being alignment checked (apparently Daisy was capable of seeing a 3P alignment).
~ Use public kill methodology to eliminate POE targets (Funnygurl555 and ColinIsCool), because they may actually be mafia. A hostile 3P needs mafia dead too. This facilitates a safer vigilante claim.
~ Use private kill methodology to eliminate civilian targets (Hally, Spacedaisy) because they aren't easily traceable and don't allow a safer vigilante claim.

[Millium]

which implies Kitsu and Funny

Pawn and Kitsu as the killers respectively, if that's what you meant?

ya that, sorry

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I reviewed Hally's Night 2. Like I said before, this is likely when they would have been targeted with a poison to cause their EOD3 death. That target could in theory happen at some other point, perhaps during Day 3 or before Night 2 -- it's impossible to determine that. Night 2 is just the most likely given what I have seen from poisoner roles in the past.

~ Hally did not mention sabie at all during Night 2.

~ Hally only explicitly mentioned Kitsu once:

Spoiler: show

this is obvious probably but to the extent that we thought epi and kitsu and whoever else looked good off nanook dying that’s now been voided given we know pawn killed nanook and likely was not on a team with anyone

However, Hally did engage in a lot of conversation about the potential vigilante kills and the Jack Daw character on Night 2:

Spoiler: show

where was the scum kill N1 though if nanook was the sk shot and fg was the vig shot

here is a thought

if jack daw is a town vig and knows that their kill janitors the flips of their target, they shouldn’t shoot anymore

now that we’ve yeeted the sk, the balance of the game is in towns favor because we’ve just removed a source of anti town kp

we dont really need a vig shooting now if it’s gonna mean we get no flips from the shots

i promise we’ll regret it when its like D4 and we have three flips in the PoE pool whose alignments we don’t even know

we need to be able to make connections and actually solve for the team and we can’t do that with missing flips

i can foresee a horror story down the line where we vig scum and don’t know it and the teammate who are left are able to exploit the lack of flips to screw us

so i think if jack daw is town they shouldn’t shoot

again, this only applies to if you know for a fact your kill was the reason fg didn’t flip and not because of fg herself

if that doesn’t apply fire away

have we considered that there's no vig?

kill + clean seems more in line with something a mafia would do than something a town role would do. it's possible that SK shot nanook and mafia shot FG.if we think about it from the perspective of a mafia member, denying the FG flip to us is powerful (which is why hally was so upset about it). and, if FG is town, they have to nightkill her at some point to win since she can't be exed. this suggests that mafia wanted to wipe away FG's role with the janitor while there was maximum uncertainty as to what alignment she is. they could easily have feared her coming back into the thread and obvtowning it up, or being investigated by someone, at which point they would have lost the opportunity to deny town major information by wiping the evidence away.

the more I think about it, the more I think it's plausible that mafia strategically killed FG to deny us information. which would mean FG is town, although I have already argued we should assume she is regardless

it’s possible

i can say with certainty that my priority N1 if i was a wolf would not have been killing fg but other people aren’t me

the reason we thought vig shot i think was because jack daw seems more like a vigilante as a character

here is a thought

if jack daw is a town vig and knows that their kill janitors the flips of their target, they shouldn’t shoot anymore

now that we’ve yeeted the sk, the balance of the game is in towns favor because we’ve just removed a source of anti town kp

we dont really need a vig shooting now if it’s gonna mean we get no flips from the shots

i promise we’ll regret it when its like D4 and we have three flips in the PoE pool whose alignments we don’t even know

we need to be able to make connections and actually solve for the team and we can’t do that with missing flips

i can foresee a horror story down the line where we vig scum and don’t know it and the teammate who are left are able to exploit the lack of flips to screw us

so i think if jack daw is town they shouldn’t shoot

again, this only applies to if you know for a fact your kill was the reason fg didn’t flip and not because of fg herself

if that doesn’t apply fire away

Sorta stupid but I forgot about poll title. Daw probably just a wolf.

hrm

maybe

i think we will know what daw is when they make their next kill

how could daw be a wolf though? its a character that one player has right? but mafia is presumably a team with a factional kill not one person

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bringing back that Day 2 poll so folks can examine/interpret the title:

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The proposed timeline for Kitsu would be a bit awkward:

Night 1 - kill/janitor Funnygurl
Night 2 - poison Hally
Night 3 - kill/janitor Colin AND poison Spacedaisy
Night 4 - nothing OR poison unknown

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Y’all really had me fooled. Fabulous actors. One person finds out that there’s a role specifically mentioning poisoning and doesn’t reveal it. Person who has poison preventing role doesn’t say anything, and leaves us in the dark. Now two people have been poisoned in a row.

Do you think Epignosis should be chopped?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Note that chopping Kitsu essentially amounts to conceding that this game does not have a mafia team.

~ The only unconfirmed team of three left is exactly Kitsu, sabie, and myself. It's not that. I cannot prove it, but I think folks can follow the vibes of this game anyway. I seem like a civilian because I am one. The same might go for sabie. It applied to other major POE suspects like Alison and Tony and [per a check] Epignosis. Town everywhere.
~ A mafia Kitsu probably means neither FG nor Colin was a mafioso. Kitsu shot them in the ass and cannot claim any bus credit when they don't flip.

Otherwise, only Wisp-checked players remain as candidates. So it's either that or there's no mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also a team of 2 would make very little sense (less sense than the absence of a team, frankly) barring some unseen or unspoken recruitment shit. I'm not going there. There's zero way to know that, and it's not a reasonable thing to hunt for when you don't even know if it exists.

I already looked at Kitsu and sabie for mafia compatibility and did not see it.

[sabie12]

The proposed timeline for Kitsu would be a bit awkward:

Night 1 - kill/janitor Funnygurl
Night 2 - poison Hally
Night 3 - kill/janitor Colin AND poison Spacedaisy
Night 4 - nothing OR poison unknown

She says the kills she admits to are every other night. I was going to say maybe the poison is opposite nights but then that doesn't fit here. However she also wants epi the person who claims to be the protector for poison to be lynched. So could go either way.


And to answer your other question I wouldn't rule out the possible existence of some kind of misdirection in wisps/Daisy's checks.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also, if I had been maf or 3P, I certainly wouldn’t have chosen those particular targets.

Which targets would you have chosen?

If I wasn’t town, I’d have taken out Hally sooner and JJJ (if I knew for sure he was town).

Why would you have taken out Hally and I sooner?

[KitsuShel]

I can easily see why we’re losing now, lol. It’s cool, I’m sure the end is close.

You keep going after your POE and it’s legit not doing anything. More than half have been town and we don’t know about the two I took out.

The write specifically mentions that the blond man is not a Jack and is out enemy. So go ahead, and take me out, and lose another town member.

Remember after I’m gone, SOMEONE HERE IS LYING. Someone is not a Jack and is obviously the killer. So who do you think is most likely? I’m thinking someone who specifically can only save someone from poisoning who hasn’t stopped shit. Or Long Con who’s supposedly a doctor and still alive.

[KitsuShel]

I can easily see why we’re losing now, lol. It’s cool, I’m sure the end is close.

You keep going after your POE and it’s legit not doing anything. More than half have been town and we don’t know about the two I took out.

The write specifically mentions that the blond man is not a Jack and is out enemy. So go ahead, and take me out, and lose another town member.

Remember after I’m gone, SOMEONE HERE IS LYING. Someone is not a Jack and is obviously the killer. So who do you think is most likely? I’m thinking someone who specifically can only save someone from poisoning who hasn’t stopped shit. Or Long Con who’s supposedly a doctor and still alive.

[KitsuShel]

If I wasn’t town, I’d have taken out Hally sooner and JJJ (if I knew for sure he was town).

Why would you have taken out Hally and I sooner?

Either you have a scum role or you enjoy pointless questions, lol.

If you’re mafia, you take out the most town-like people first. Or the most helpful town roles (cop, dr, etc) as said roles become known. You throw the SK under the bus once they become known to you, unless you can use them to your advantage.

You and Hally have been in my towncore since day one. And you’re still alive.

[KitsuShel]

The incredibly good looking man sat at his laptop, writing a story. It had been a long time since he had handed off the reins of the RPSC to nobody at all. After his daughter was born, writing just hadn’t seemed so The handsome man began to shake uncontrollably. He fell out of his chair and convulsed on the ground until a piece of something flew out of him and became another him. He looked up at the new him in front of him and the handsome man laughed and laughed, a maniacal dangerous laugh. Another him left him.

“What’s wrong with mhee ho?” the handsome man asked.

“Nothing,” the third handsome man said, grinning from ear to ear. He reached his hand out to help his original self up. “You just need a little rest.”

When the first took the third’s hand, electricity shot through his entire body, frying him alive. The second and third smiled to each other.

“After you,” the second said.

“Why thank you,” the third replied with a chuckle. And then they were gone, leaving the handsome man’s body lying on the floor.

This is Jack Napier and possibly Genocide Jack.
[/quote]

The last one to be separated from the incredibly handsome man was a monster. The monster checked his gun and then looked at the body.

“I only need to save one,” the monster mumbled to himself. He pointed the gun at the original him.

“I wouldn’t do that if I were you, Jack.”

The monster turned to see a familiar old man and and unfamiliar blonde one, both dressed in black.

“You’re not me. Neither of you are.”

The old man smiled. “No, we’re not, Jack. But we are him. Perhaps more than you are. That’s not why I gave you that gun.”

“Isn’t it?”

The old man paused.

“No. It isn’t. Move on, Jack.”

The monster looked at the old man and then his companion and then back to the old man.

“What if I don’t want to?”

“Then I’ll make you,” the blonde man said with a smirk. “Mongrel.”

The monster shrugged and walked away.
[/quote]

This is me. My role specifically tells me I’m town, and I’m going down with that ship. We need to find the blond man. I think the old man might be flavor, but if not, maybe the old man was Colin.

I can prove myself by my targets. Who else can say the same?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can easily see why we’re losing now, lol. It’s cool, I’m sure the end is close.

You keep going after your POE and it’s legit not doing anything. More than half have been town and we don’t know about the two I took out.

The write specifically mentions that the blond man is not a Jack and is out enemy. So go ahead, and take me out, and lose another town member.

Remember after I’m gone, SOMEONE HERE IS LYING. Someone is not a Jack and is obviously the killer. So who do you think is most likely? I’m thinking someone who specifically can only save someone from poisoning who hasn’t stopped shit. Or Long Con who’s supposedly a doctor and still alive.

I don't know why you keep bringing up the "POE". You were never in that group in the first place. I am operating well outside that territory now, and that means you're a suspect.

If you think Epignosis is a problem and Long Con may also be, why is your vote on nutella?

[KitsuShel]

lol "crazy dude"
Well if Nutella targeted me there is no way I could've gotten the wrong result
unless my role gives me the wrong results, or fake claims

Unless you both were working together. I still find it kinda insane that the cop didn’t go after night 2. Same once Long Con was outed as the dr.

You tell me HCRealms. I feel ridiculous trying to do this

I'm still thinking Epi. We might need more of a claim there.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] Still feel ridiculous or have the need to insult another forum’s playstyle?

The targets both point to Daw as vig. I made it very clear on both night 1 and night 3 that the vig should shoot the people who were

So, maybe we have two people left and lying. The blond non-Jack and possibly Jack Napier.

This where I am right now.


KitsuShel
JaggedJimmyJay
sabie12
Wisp
Long Con
nutella
Epignosis

Who can prove they can do what they say they can?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I wasn’t town, I’d have taken out Hally sooner and JJJ (if I knew for sure he was town).

Why would you have taken out Hally and I sooner?

Either you have a scum role or you enjoy pointless questions, lol.

If you’re mafia, you take out the most town-like people first. Or the most helpful town roles (cop, dr, etc) as said roles become known. You throw the SK under the bus once they become known to you, unless you can use them to your advantage.

You and Hally have been in my towncore since day one. And you’re still alive.

There are no mafia. This is meaningless.

What do you do if you're a poisoner?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay Still feel ridiculous or have the need to insult another forum’s playstyle?

I've never had any intention of insulting the Realms or any other forum. When I said I felt ridiculous, I meant that I am not good at interpreting flavor. I was literally asking a Realms native to take the wheel on that front because I would not do a very good job of it.

I don't know why you just brought up that post. What's your point?

[KitsuShel]

Probably one non-civilian in the game, a poisoner.

It isn't me.

Okay. Thanks for your efforts @Spacedaisy and @TonyStarkPrime

(maybe) dying words: chop nutella for being suspicious

This right here is why my vote is on nutella. Also, Dr.Wilgy was supahigh on the suspect list before players swapped out.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m thinking someone who specifically can only save someone from poisoning who hasn’t stopped shit.

There was no poison death on Day 2. How do you know one wasn't prevented?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] who have you protected from poisons?

[KitsuShel]

If I wasn’t town, I’d have taken out Hally sooner and JJJ (if I knew for sure he was town).

Why would you have taken out Hally and I sooner?

Either you have a scum role or you enjoy pointless questions, lol.

If you’re mafia, you take out the most town-like people first. Or the most helpful town roles (cop, dr, etc) as said roles become known. You throw the SK under the bus once they become known to you, unless you can use them to your advantage.

You and Hally have been in my towncore since day one. And you’re still alive.

There are no mafia. This is meaningless.

What do you do if you're a poisoner?

It depends on what the role says. If it’s a mafia poisoner, you still do the same targets. If you’re a 3P poisoner, it depends on your win condition. I’m not the poisoner, so I don’t know.

And I still don’t believe that there isn’t a mafia. I think we’re down to one or two. People might be popping up as poisoned because that counts as the mafia hit. If we lucked out and FG & Colin we’re scum, then one left is plausible.

Honestly? I’m thinking there’s one mafia left and one 3P (the blond guy).

[KitsuShel]

@JaggedJimmyJay Still feel ridiculous or have the need to insult another forum’s playstyle?

I've never had any intention of insulting the Realms or any other forum. When I said I felt ridiculous, I meant that I am not good at interpreting flavor. I was literally asking a Realms native to take the wheel on that front because I would not do a very good job of it.

I don't know why you just brought up that post. What's your point?

I was being over emotional because I took that post and (still Do as an afront), but I should’ve just kept that to myself. Same with the dig about POE, so I apologize.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay Still feel ridiculous or have the need to insult another forum’s playstyle?

I've never had any intention of insulting the Realms or any other forum. When I said I felt ridiculous, I meant that I am not good at interpreting flavor. I was literally asking a Realms native to take the wheel on that front because I would not do a very good job of it.

I don't know why you just brought up that post. What's your point?

I was being over emotional because I took that post and (still Do as an afront), but I should’ve just kept that to myself. Same with the dig about POE, so I apologize.

Please know that I have a lot of respect for the Mafia played on the Realms. They're one of our sister communities and have given us numerous great regulars on The Syndicate. My experience there, in spirit, dates back to 2015 when MSU repped HCRealms in the MU championship and played in my qualifier game with me (and then Jack with Sloonei the next year). I'm sorry I gave that impression, and it's important to me that I clear that up. Perhaps this post should be in OT green, but I don't really believe in doing that unless something is just not about Mafia at all.

[Millium]

so the evil people are just everyone that has been checked by me
ok

[Millium]

Nutella supposedly used his action on Daisy, the same night that daisy checked him
and if I don't trust that Nutella is real, my check of Epi goes straight in the garbage

[KitsuShel]

Nutella supposedly used his action on Daisy, the same night that daisy checked him
and if I don't trust that Nutella is real, my check of Epi goes straight in the garbage

What if they were a team? That would make sense to me. Even if you lynch me and I was scum (which I am definitely not), that would still leave you with your poisoner and the blonde guy.

Again, SOMEONE is lying. We just have to figure out who.