U-Pick Anything Volume 2 Game Thread (Day 4 )

[beeboy]

im using my other power to copy beeboys power and use it again

[mention]iaafr[/mention] please do

[DaisyCloud]

could we know definitively if punchy is still poisoned or not? Sorry, for the ping [mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[Hyena]

Okay, I'm here. I'm starting to regret not speaking up about skipping the night phase. Without even a Maple flip, I don't feel like things have progressed much since yesterday, and by progress, I mean us gaining more actual info rather than talking to each other. Things are starting to feel stagnant to me.

[Timsup2nothin]

Okay, I'm here. I'm starting to regret not speaking up about skipping the night phase. Without even a Maple flip, I don't feel like things have progressed much since yesterday, and by progress, I mean us gaining more actual info rather than talking to each other. Things are starting to feel stagnant to me.

Indeed. But we do have ITAs and a pretty tight POE, so maybe we get one there. I think that bottom three has to have at least one, if not two.

[juliets]

ITA'S ARE NO EARLIER THAN THIS EVENING EDT BECAUSE MAC IS CURRENTLY SLEEPING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE TODAY AT ALL, MAC STILL HAS PERSONAL BUSINESS TO ATTEND TO.

WHEN WE KNOW SOMETHING WE WILL POST IT AND LINK IT ON THE FIRST PAGE.

PLEASE CONTINUE TO CHECK IN SO YOU DON'T MISS ANYTHING.

[WerewolfHunter]

Thank you for that notice. That's actually great for me because I was worried I would miss them with my five hour werewolf event.

I agree that no one should heroshoot or anything. I probably shouldn't be speaking about that as I shot off the list day 1.

[WerewolfHunter]

I appreciate not going to night because that means I essentially have a night longer before I melt which is really nice

[sheepsaysmeep]

did i say that i hate this yet

[sheepsaysmeep]

joke doesnt work i forgot that ive posted more since the last time i said that i hate this

my apologies

[beeboy]

Sheep who do I shoot in the ITAs

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay, I'm here. I'm starting to regret not speaking up about skipping the night phase. Without even a Maple flip, I don't feel like things have progressed much since yesterday, and by progress, I mean us gaining more actual info rather than talking to each other. Things are starting to feel stagnant to me.

A bit of stagnant is fine, we get more ITAs, hopefully get two of our shot list dead, and go from there. It’s a good thing!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Game doesn’t have to be constant breakneck pace

[sheepsaysmeep]

Sheep who do I shoot in the ITAs

coliniscool or drwilgy

iwan is a good shot too but i remember someone vouching for him (nonmechanically) idk think it was rabbit

[beeboy]

Sheep who do I shoot in the ITAs

coliniscool or drwilgy

iwan is a good shot too but i remember someone vouching for him (nonmechanically) idk think it was rabbit

Let's shoot Iwan it'll help us clear one way or the other Rabbit B)

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah iwan is dead null and colin/wigly are wolfy

i'll probably peek iwan if sabie dies before i get that peek off

[sheepsaysmeep]

or you can shoot him

[beeboy]

I will read those 3 ISOs before ITA phase and hope I hit the right target.

[sabie12]

So yeah wilgy colin and iwan seem sketchy I don't disagree with that.
However, just food for thought in last game I played we lost as town because we picked a POE list and the mafia ended up being the claimed role cop and the claimed doctor. So all I'm saying is a claim doesn't give anyone a for sure clear Sheep's claim was kinda weird and didn't make sense. Bob's claim was weird and opportunistic. Beeboy was being suspected and then came in out of nowhere and reset the day which ended up keeping maple alive longer... meh I don't know.

[WerewolfHunter]

So yeah wilgy colin and iwan seem sketchy I don't disagree with that.
However, just food for thought in last game I played we lost as town because we picked a POE list and the mafia ended up being the claimed role cop and the claimed doctor. So all I'm saying is a claim doesn't give anyone a for sure clear Sheep's claim was kinda weird and didn't make sense. Bob's claim was weird and opportunistic. Beeboy was being suspected and then came in out of nowhere and reset the day which ended up keeping maple alive longer... meh I don't know.

agreed about the claim thing as well. Last game, we played we had an evil role that could only vig shoot another evil. I don't think thats here but even roles that seem like town may not be.

[sheepsaysmeep]

yeah it's honestly very fair to worry about mech claims at this stage

but weve been at least separating roles by how likely they are to be town and how real we know they are

like

claiming alignment peeking is something that will resolve itself eventually and is probably verifiably town after some flips

killing roles are something verifiably villagery to claim and you can solve them based on the shots that can easily be traced to specific killing claims

etc

maybe biased but i'd like to tell myself that we wouldnt be misclearing any of the more obviously nai claims like doc, rolecoop

but a lot of the current things are easily confirmable and alright to be left alone by nature for now

[sheepsaysmeep]

effectively either these roles townside or we start looking at them

either vig claims shoot shots that benefit town and those protown shots go uncounterclaimed or we reevaluate eventually

either cop claims are killed by wolves eventually or we slowly begin to reevaluate, and if we yeet a real cop claim in a few day phases because it isnt dead yet, wolves still suffered from not killing it because we got more peeks off

and then reconsider everything anyways when it's late game but that's a problem in like 2 more irl weeks or something

[sheepsaysmeep]

the only claim so far that i dont think is self resolving or easily confirmable to be a town role is apogee's but wtv

[sheepsaysmeep]

at least that's off the top of my head

what are peoples reads on apogee right now?

hopefully we can have some meaningful discussion at least once in the extra 48 hours wowee

[sheepsaysmeep]

if we want to be really tinfoily iaafr can be entirely lying about his role and protecting wolfmates via disappearance or whatever shit

but if it wasnt clear im not really worrying about any of that type of stuff yet

yorue probably in the right to express general skepticism though

[Apogee]

at least that's off the top of my head

what are peoples reads on apogee right now?

hopefully we can have some meaningful discussion at least once in the extra 48 hours wowee

He's town and did some townie things early on but hasn't had a great time getting back into the flow of the thread after being knocked out of it for pretty much three days by having no internet

Plus his claim though unverifiable if you aren't mafia is accurate and a town role

[Apogee]

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
[VOTE: ted] aubergine



Right, I should vote someone.

nutella:

Fellow humans, lizard people, and illumanati mafioso, I am here to check in. I haven't read anything, nor do I plan to, but if anyone asked me question or plans to, the answer is: Aliens.

I'll be back later to enlighten you all, but for now, food for thought: If ancient aliens didn't exist, how did they build everything?

Boom

this is exalt's only post and it isn't a long paragraph of rage hes lock scum

also whys he voting for me lame


[VOTE: exalt] aubergine



i should find a second person to vote for


we also got a few zero posters but those can be ita bait

This is the only noteworthy thing nutella has done all game. It's lazy. not to say other people havent been lazy, but like sloonei I know nutella can do a lot more than a lazy vote.

Ted: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 97#p642597
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 16#p642616
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 15#p642715

Just a couple of early posts. But ted's interaction with JPIC was weird and unneccessary. I dont agree with how he handled it and looks worse because of it. I do however think one of JPIC and Ted are mafia and I can only vote for one of them. I have JPIC as not town but not mafia because while they look really awful. I can at least give them the benefit of the doubt. Just this once.

Is Spirtyo a TMI-y maf player

Cause these votes are really good but kind of out of the blue

And his earlier readslist

I'm comfortable with sticking with this for now, it's a nice starting point. I also never want to read 50+ pages in a row ever again.

Town reads:
Poison Chan
Silverkeith
Marcher Jovian
Jumpluff
Ephemeral
DDL
Nanook
Maple
Xalt
sheepsaysmeep
Thisisnotacemarvel

Scum reads:
Timsup2nothin
tedxtr
polypies
PunchyTheCat
Nutella
Sloonei
Daisycloud
Hyena
Sloonei

Kinda also misses the b in a -> b -> c

Like I'm 100% starting to confbias after reading some interaction in one of speedchuck's xalt's or ephemerals ISOs that I don't really remember that looked bad for Spirtyo

But his ISO kinda flops between massive reads lists + IIoA to an extent and well... nothing

Guess like there are a few things that look good for him but ?!?

I'm keeping an eye on this post:

I agree with whoever said that everybody being parked on Maple is bad for thread health but I don’t think we can really move forward until we resolve that slot.

Why can't we move forward until we resolve Maple? I don't understand that.

That's a good question. My answer will be sheeping Poison Chan on someone I have in my scum pool. [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Looking at my null and scum list from a different angle, "Do I have a reason to believe this person is not town" as opposed to "not mafia" I could at least remove these 6 from the pool.

Yes:
iwan - Iwan has little content, and has been around. He has more than the null reads but for some reason my gut is telling me there's potential out of him.
Hyena - Maybe. IDK.
WerewolfHunter - Will apparently die on night 3 unless "frozen." Their content is underwhelming and not very much hunting though.
Justplayingitcool - Been absent since daystart. someone mentioned theyre town because of some flip
Maple - Putting in the most work today. I actually don't know how well of a lynch this is today. What are some key interactions Maple has had with everyone still alive?
PunchyTheCat - Punchy is poisoned and will die at the end of the day unless healed. I'll take this with a grain of salt.

No:
TenThousandCalories
beeboy
colonialbob
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Logic
Apogee
ColinIsCool
sabie12
iaafr

[Apogee]

Rats I'm entering my baddie largegame meta

But it get's me townread

So (m/y)mmv

[Apogee]

If I'm throwing out reads purely based off of where I think I recall *shrugs* or *headtilts*

I kinda want to look at Rabbit and/or Sheep. But at least rabbit has a good claim and sheep might too right.

Who is DrWigly
And who is Iwan

I'm going to read them

[Apogee]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

[juliets]

[mention]Hyena[/mention] you may not post until further notice.

[Apogee]

So Iwan is Interesting

Cause I don't think he interacts with, makes a read on, or even mentions any flipped scum.

Which is in my opinion a scumtell cause I did the exact same thing and pretty much ignored my partners mostly in my first large scumgame

So he can go.

And like there is absolutely nothing I find redeeming in his ISO

[sabie12]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

The thing about wilgy is that from what I've seen he always acts like that in every game and barely talks or does anything and either ends up being replaced or killed off.

[Apogee]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

[WerewolfHunter]

interesting that this time its not posting but I assume voting from them is still allowed

[Timsup2nothin]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

No there isn't and that's kinda the problem. There's a lot of stuff about Hyena in the claim world that tilts heavily town. There's a mot of stuff in Hyena's ISO that looks like solvy town player. And Wilgy shows up with a seemingly random tunnel on Hyena and really isn't inclined to discuss it. At this stage we need to be doing two things; eliminated ambiguous slots that might hide slanky wolves and eliminating the players who might be town but aren't playing in a way that will work in an end game. Wilgy seems to be both. Might be my personal choice to ITA.

[WerewolfHunter]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

I personally didn't have them as town yet. I think I had neutral or lean town. These types of things do help though

[Apogee]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

The thing about wilgy is that from what I've seen he always acts like that in every game and barely talks or does anything and either ends up being replaced or killed off.

Yeah. Probably a player trait -> hard null

And an easy miskill if town but could be scum and probably won't clear himself ever

[Timsup2nothin]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

Yes.

[Apogee]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

No there isn't and that's kinda the problem. There's a lot of stuff about Hyena in the claim world that tilts heavily town. There's a mot of stuff in Hyena's ISO that looks like solvy town player. And Wilgy shows up with a seemingly random tunnel on Hyena and really isn't inclined to discuss it. At this stage we need to be doing two things; eliminated ambiguous slots that might hide slanky wolves and eliminating the players who might be town but aren't playing in a way that will work in an end game. Wilgy seems to be both. Might be my personal choice to ITA.

Yeah I understand how we need to resolve slots and the point on not clearing himself in endgame is something I just mentioned

But interest Anni flashbacks

[Apogee]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

No there isn't and that's kinda the problem. There's a lot of stuff about Hyena in the claim world that tilts heavily town. There's a mot of stuff in Hyena's ISO that looks like solvy town player. And Wilgy shows up with a seemingly random tunnel on Hyena and really isn't inclined to discuss it. At this stage we need to be doing two things; eliminated ambiguous slots that might hide slanky wolves and eliminating the players who might be town but aren't playing in a way that will work in an end game. Wilgy seems to be both. Might be my personal choice to ITA.

Yeah I understand how we need to resolve slots and the point on not clearing himself in endgame is something I just mentioned

But interest Anni flashbacks

*Insert

[Apogee]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

Yes.

Ok comfortable calling this a scum role for the moment.

Which looks good for Tim and him at this point but I'd drop that as a mechanical reasons for townreads pre-endgame

[Timsup2nothin]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

Yes.

Ok comfortable calling this a scum role for the moment.

Which looks good for Tim and him at this point but I'd drop that as a mechanical reasons for townreads pre-endgame

I'm guessing that people who the wolves are silencing will probably be silenced in a more permanent fashion before anyone has to worry about us in end game.

[Apogee]

Thinking back to the competing claims bit.

Colonial Bob's is the scummier of the pair to me

Especially since most? universal backups don't/can't use the action the same night they back someone up

And I 100% wouldn't discount him being a mafia kp or just goon who claimed the factional and made up the whole universal backup business.

[Apogee]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

Yes.

Ok comfortable calling this a scum role for the moment.

Which looks good for Tim and him at this point but I'd drop that as a mechanical reasons for townreads pre-endgame

I'm guessing that people who the wolves are silencing will probably be silenced in a more permanent fashion before anyone has to worry about us in end game.

And if you aren't, that's when I drop it as something to evaluate you on anyways!

[Apogee]

Thinking back to the competing claims bit.

Colonial Bob's is the scummier of the pair to me

Especially since most? universal backups don't/can't use the action the same night they back someone up

And I 100% wouldn't discount him being a mafia kp or just goon who claimed the factional and made up the whole universal backup business.

However he autoresolves to a degree too I guess

Just wanted to put this out there

[sabie12]

@Hyena you may not post until further notice.

Someone up with the thread

Was Hyena widly-ish townread

Yes.

Ok comfortable calling this a scum role for the moment.

Which looks good for Tim and him at this point but I'd drop that as a mechanical reasons for townreads pre-endgame

Yeah I think epi may have been suspecting hyena but I don't remember too much other suspicion on them.


I thought Bob's claim was scummy and opportunistic and it came after cayvies claim about killing ted so ehhh

[Apogee]

What exactly is rabbit's full claim re: can he disappear again etc?

[Apogee]

My towncore:
NANOOK
jumpluff for making beautiful, beautiful compilation posts
DaisyCloud for the fg vig thing

Feel pretty good about LC cause I also thought the shooting spree was kinda “huh”. Wasn’t somebody green peeked at some point, Maple?

I will vote for literally anybody else probably so that I don’t have to ever read posts for 2 hours again

Insert fry here

[sabie12]

lol, okay, so that actually could have been useful if you had made a town disappear. Then it would just be a hydra of you+the other town basically.
How did you get Eph's role though?

its part of my role that i learn alignment + role of who i target

since i know it effectively kills the person, i went for a mafia read (well i sheeped keiths tbh), though it mightve been nice to mason up with a town idk

if anybody remembers me referring to the cursed masonry d1, this is what i meant

I searched iaafr ISO and that was the claim

[Timsup2nothin]

So Wigly hasn't posted since like Wednesday

And has 14 posts overall.

Interacts with 3 people -- a Hyena wolf read, a Daisy cloud something read, and asking nutella if they are scum or mafia

Idk this is a hard null to me. And honestly his read on Hyena makes a degree? of sense

Inb4 he flips wolf idk is there more to this I'm missing

No there isn't and that's kinda the problem. There's a lot of stuff about Hyena in the claim world that tilts heavily town. There's a mot of stuff in Hyena's ISO that looks like solvy town player. And Wilgy shows up with a seemingly random tunnel on Hyena and really isn't inclined to discuss it. At this stage we need to be doing two things; eliminated ambiguous slots that might hide slanky wolves and eliminating the players who might be town but aren't playing in a way that will work in an end game. Wilgy seems to be both. Might be my personal choice to ITA.

Yeah I understand how we need to resolve slots and the point on not clearing himself in endgame is something I just mentioned

But interest Anni flashbacks

My suggestion: with the current level of claimed town kill power and the ITAs the bottom zones on my list will not make day three. There should be one or two wolves in there. Maple will get chopped and by all lines of thinking I can find that's a wolf. Based on N1 wolf kill power is gonna peel four or so off the top. Punchy will be dead from poison. So you start day three with two hundred pages of nonsense about mechanics and everyone somehow "townread"...just throw it all out.

What you really have is about fifteen players who have demonstrated they are willing to play with one or two wolves among them. NEW GAME. Start fresh and just play Mafia. Anything in the range of 14/2 or so is massively town sided, so just play that from scratch and win.