Amdibals at the Zoo! [END]

[Long Con]

I did think your claim that Alison's "aggressive" attitude toward tutuu while shading her was somewhat suspicious.

[Carotenoid]

Yeah TTC started in Alison's bottom of PoE and slowly climbed up to "who is this" for... no reason? On day 3 #1567 she clearly didn't want TTC to go first even if she had every reasons to.

[Carotenoid]

DrWilgy quick ISO
I liked his push on Nanook day 2, I agree that his initial tone felt off. However, he was confident in the team being TSP/Nanook and even after TSP flipped town, he stayed confident about w!Nanook. It's really stubborn, there was no like "oh I was wrong, maybe I should reevaluate my worldview" that show lack of TMI.

I don't think he's teamed with Alison due to Alison-Turnip intereactions. At the moment I'd vote Alison over DrWilgy.

[Carotenoid]

I did think your claim that Alison's "aggressive" attitude toward tutuu while shading her was somewhat suspicious.

Wait what's the context of this?

[Carotenoid]

tedxtr quick ISO
I like his D1-D2 tone and that he was insistent with nutella instead of just accepting the town read she gave him. The work he put in on D2 was also pretty good from a gamestate perspective, a wolf could have just gone with consensus/slanked since the spotlight was on town players. He disappeared on D3 and D4 stuff has been meh, I dislike that he's not considering w!Alison world. I can see them being partner.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] what are the things you disliked from his ISO?

[Carotenoid]

If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

[ColinIsCool]

If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

Why you off wagon

[ColinIsCool]

I for one would like to see a greater consolidation of votes. If folks aren't lined up for Nanook I will switch mine to another wagon.

[Carotenoid]

If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

Why you off wagon

I'm voting with my heart! I'll switch for tedxtr if I have to save Nanook/Mac though

[Carotenoid]

So many people wanting Nanook blood not voting Nanook

[Carotenoid]

[mention]protocultures[/mention] Do you really think Mac/Nanook is the team???

[DrWilgy]

Recent Carote blurb

[ColinIsCool]

If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

Why you off wagon

I'm voting with my heart! I'll switch for tedxtr if I have to save Nanook/Mac though

What makes you have the reads on these people that you do? Break it down for me if you have time please.

Why is Alison more scummy than ted, Mac or Nanook?

Why is ted more scummy than Mac or Nanook?

Why aren't Mac or Nanook scum?

[ColinIsCool]

I tend to get suckered in by people I haven't played with before who are nice and Carote is kind of giving me Mongoose in Always Sunny (?) vibes tbh

[Carotenoid]

If anyone wants to chat I should be around on and off throughout the day (it's my brother's birthday )

Why you off wagon

I'm voting with my heart! I'll switch for tedxtr if I have to save Nanook/Mac though

What makes you have the reads on these people that you do? Break it down for me if you have time please.

Why is Alison more scummy than ted, Mac or Nanook?

Why is ted more scummy than Mac or Nanook?

Why aren't Mac or Nanook scum?

Mac was a wolf in my first two syndicate games and I got completely fooled (but to be fair they kinda happened at the same time). While I don't expect him to play exactly the same if he's a wolf again, he's really just night and day different from what I've seen before. He is more building/making stuff rather than discrediting/bouncing on stuff other people did. His 112 meta post really felt like it came from a place of sincere appreciation and I imagine it's mutual. I think that if the team was 112/Mac/X they would have been much more hyped and it wouldn't have resulted in such a bland day 1 for 112.

I have a bit more doubts on Nanook because his tone seemed really off at first, but I've seen town Nanook have notable impact in game he was slaking so I know he can easily influence things if he wanted to. I guess it's a bit contradictory but like, I really don't think scum Nanook decide that his best shot at winning is hoping that Mac is wrong.

Alison day 1 was scummy. She was pushing easy targets like TH, got in a fight with tutuu and shaded everyone that was scum meta reading her. She still does. She did end up on 112 wagon but she kinda avoided the topic the whole day and by the time it happened, it was self-pres. She pushed for Urist and then she had a big drop-off. She was like, ~okay with a TSP vote, as she fell into complacency. There's also her TTC progression that is not a good look. All her pushes have been really opportunistic.

Ted he just... Exists. Maybe he's scum who slipped through our attention, maybe he's our next mischop. I do think his earlier stuff was good and it doesn't really feel like he's pushing an agenda. Overall he's just more townie and less agenda-y and opportunistic than Alison.

[ColinIsCool]

What if Alison/112 was w/w and Alison has been trying to pocket and buddy me the whole game

[ColinIsCool]

I hate this shit. Just tell us who you are, scum, or gtfo

[tedxtr]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] How do you feel about Wilgy pushing a narrative on you while he's pushing me for irrelevant stuff? Why do you think he isn't more sure about you toDay especially after having previous suspicion on you?

[protocultures]

@protocultures Do you really think Mac/Nanook is the team???

unsure on mac's partner.

[protocultures]

alison has said they are busy with IRL stuff which is why they have fallen off a bit.

[tedxtr]

at least someone is here

can you guys go over why Wilgy's not on your radars that much?

[Long Con]

tutuu/Alison not townreading each other anymore makes me think I might be wrong townreading both of them them. Alison's push on tutuu actually reminds me a lot of how she pushed me in Space Invaders regarding the you don't have tangible things against me line and ~aggressivity-ish level

Have you seen my other games? All my pushes are aggressive. No reason to push someone if you don't want to kill them, and if you want to kill them then why not be aggressive?

Also ask yourself if town Alison would be annoyed by people wrongly scumreading her for no reason before you make that comparison tbh

Your agressivity level in your handling of tutuu seems disproportionate to how you're actually reading her. It seemed like you were still hesitating a lot/trying to convince her you're town while simultaneously trying to shade her.

And yeah I can see that lol, though I haven't really played with town you.

This is what I meant, Carote.

[tedxtr]

I feel like we are overlooking the fact that Wilgy fits the bill of "scum lurker that fits on the Monte diamond of scum" fairly nicely

I don't really see why nobody's considering him.

His only slightly convincing push was on me, which was for a vote I made 13 hours before EoD and his view on the game stops there.

I don't like the fact that he's forcing his read on me in a way that is bullshit. This guy played Pyre and saw my emotions, and I was town there.

He literally has no reason to vote me over Nanook here from his PoV.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME How do you feel about Wilgy pushing a narrative on you while he's pushing me for irrelevant stuff? Why do you think he isn't more sure about you toDay especially after having previous suspicion on you?

I don’t have a more nuanced thought on it than “yeah he’s in the POE” tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait do you think he’s not in my POE for something reason??

[tedxtr]

Wait do you think he’s not in my POE for something reason??

I don't know why you're not exploring it further. You did express a thought of "Why's WIlgy villager?" but you didn't really dive into it beyond that. He also pushed me, the person you said you were town reading, or at least trying to.

I'm building worlds right now and I wanted to see how you see Wilgy's push on you, respectively on me.

[tedxtr]

Can you do some world building with Wilgy scum? Do you think it's Wilgy / LC still?

[ColinIsCool]

at least someone is here

can you guys go over why Wilgy's not on your radars that much?

TH seemed extremely town to me. I have never seen Wilgy play like this that I can recall but he hasn’t alarmed me at all.

[tedxtr]

at least someone is here

can you guys go over why Wilgy's not on your radars that much?

TH seemed extremely town to me. I have never seen Wilgy play like this that I can recall but he hasn’t alarmed me at all.

I think he's had nothing villagery to him - can you jot down some thoughts on why Wilgy's town?

To be fair I don't really put much stock on D1 reads unless I have very strong reason to do so, mostly revolving around EoD play. Being townie on D1 as a scum is easy.

[tedxtr]

[VOTE: Wilgy ] aubergine

[tedxtr]

This is probably going to be my last post for today, it's late and I'm tired ;

I was going to be pissed and scream but I don't think I'm in the position to really criticise the players

It was hard for me to get engaged in this game, I bet it was for other people too, i'm sorry to my villagers if I end up dying here - I really did try my best

Legacy remains - don't yeet Mac. I know he sucked this game and pushed every single villager yeet, however, I still do believe that he's town.

After my flip - please open up your eyes to the fact that Wilgy's in cruise control as of right now and he bullshitted every single scum read. If I'd want anything to be taken from me is this and the Mac read.

If I'm wrong on someone - it's probably Alison. Her being still alive and not being here to reinforce the read I had is bad enough as it is. I guess it would make a lot of sense with how we've been struggling to yeet a wolf all this time. This only applies in YeLo scenarios still and if Wilgy flips town after my death.

Proto, don't fucking tunnel Mac please. I know he was wrong ; that doesn't make people scum.

that's all

follow my legacy if you're going to flip me, please.

[DrWilgy]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME How do you feel about Wilgy pushing a narrative on you while he's pushing me for irrelevant stuff? Why do you think he isn't more sure about you toDay especially after having previous suspicion on you?

Dumb to ask Nanook outside of you wanting a narrative coming from someone besides me.

I'm voting you because I think you are scum. I'd vote Nanook as well on policy. I don't have 2 votes.

[DrWilgy]

(this makes me feel better about Nanook though assuming Ted is scum)

[DrWilgy]

I feel like we are overlooking the fact that Wilgy fits the bill of "scum lurker that fits on the Monte diamond of scum" fairly nicely

I don't really see why nobody's considering him.

His only slightly convincing push was on me, which was for a vote I made 13 hours before EoD and his view on the game stops there.

I don't like the fact that he's forcing his read on me in a way that is bullshit. This guy played Pyre and saw my emotions, and I was town there.

He literally has no reason to vote me over Nanook here from his PoV.

Wrong.

Don't like your lines, and I don't like your d1 action. I think that's plenty.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Wait do you think he’s not in my POE for something reason??

I don't know why you're not exploring it further. You did express a thought of "Why's WIlgy villager?" but you didn't really dive into it beyond that. He also pushed me, the person you said you were town reading, or at least trying to.

I'm building worlds right now and I wanted to see how you see Wilgy's push on you, respectively on me.

Yeh I asked that cause I didn’t understand why there were people townreading him lol

I don’t know why it needs exploring further? Like...he’s in the POE for me, his push is pretty meh but I think I’ve seen him make that push as both alignments, so it’s whatever on its own.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can you do some world building with Wilgy scum? Do you think it's Wilgy / LC still?

I think at least one in colin/LC based on 112 posting

If it’s not both then wilgy is immediately after those two for me

[DrWilgy]

This is probably going to be my last post for today, it's late and I'm tired ;

I was going to be pissed and scream but I don't think I'm in the position to really criticise the players

It was hard for me to get engaged in this game, I bet it was for other people too, i'm sorry to my villagers if I end up dying here - I really did try my best

Legacy remains - don't yeet Mac. I know he sucked this game and pushed every single villager yeet, however, I still do believe that he's town.

After my flip - please open up your eyes to the fact that Wilgy's in cruise control as of right now and he bullshitted every single scum read. If I'd want anything to be taken from me is this and the Mac read.

If I'm wrong on someone - it's probably Alison. Her being still alive and not being here to reinforce the read I had is bad enough as it is. I guess it would make a lot of sense with how we've been struggling to yeet a wolf all this time. This only applies in YeLo scenarios still and if Wilgy flips town after my death.

Proto, don't fucking tunnel Mac please. I know he was wrong ; that doesn't make people scum.

that's all

follow my legacy if you're going to flip me, please.

AH, the 'their reads are bullshit' without explaining why then dipping. Care to actually argue my progression towards you? Or how about how I'm interacting with people? 'His reads are bullshit.' is dumb and fake. Small effort argument.

Now, I will say, in spite of your blurb here rubbing me the wrong way. There is merit in the fact that it could come from a frustrated civilian. FOR some reason, I don't see this as the same frustrated civ that I've seen before in you, could be a mood thing or could be the fact that I was scum in pyre, BUT I don't.

[DrWilgy]

Right now the lines I see

Nanook/Ted
Nanook/Carote
LC/Ted
LC/Carote

These 4 options feel right in my head, though I'm not sure which line is correct. Still pretty sure there's a scum in slanker, and scum in someone who didn't vote 112 day 1.

[DrWilgy]

There's also the 'if I'm wrong' line.

To which we should Lynch Mac immediately... BUT I really don't think I'm wrong this time. Who knows, spectator chat could be cringing at my thoughts as I post them lmao.

[MacDougall]

Honestly go ahead. This game is overwhelmed by tinfoil and unenjoyable.

[MacDougall]

Reads again - Caveat that I still think 112's day 1 was highlighted by a low energy and indicates a poor and boring scum chat.

Alison made a decent argument for why she would be town with the night kills point so I'm just gonna ride or die with her as town. Is a scum chat god too.

Carot is hard Mac siding. When I read her posts I just feel a town.

Colin voted right on day 1. Since then hasn't been very towny but gamestate makes me think he's just town.

DrWilgy is also hard Mac siding.

Long Con subbed into a twbtbw slot. Really doubt it's mafia.

Nook has been very pro Mac. I'm rewarding that with a shield.

Proto has been pretty much a potato until today here he just out of the blue decides that I am mafia. I hate it but I think he's town.

Tedxtr looks the scummiest to my eye on ISO. Had a bit of TMI. But then he did the "Listen Joe" thing TSP did and gave me instant trauma.

So basically everyone is town. Gg.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Seems legit

[MacDougall]

I think it would be nice if people read this post but I get the impression Proto is going to take one look at it and then tunnel me some more.

I think a lot of the issue today is characterised by what I just spelled out. Nobody is really that scummy, or if they are they have someone else hard townreading them and shielding them. This is leading to a really disjointed and fractured town. Everyone looks town ergo everyone is a suspect and tinfoil is rife.

The objectively correct thing to do would be to start by looking at the flip. We have four players alive who voted for 112, Alison, Proto, Colin and myself. Three have flipped from that, two via NK and one via TK. All were town so far. The chance of someone bussing is there but as I have stated I feel it more likely that nobody bussed. I don't think that 112 expected to die. That remains my thoughts.

Living players offwagon are -

Nook and Carot on the counterwagon (Alison).
TH (Wilgy) and tedxtr off wagon.
TTC did not vote.

The pattern mafia take is almost always to not vote together in that scenario. You are unlikely to see both mafia on the counterwagon, or both mafia on the bus. It's very likely that one of the mafia (or even both) are actually completely off wagon. It actually is interesting that TH was voting for Amy, and Ted was voting for me because to my eye both Amy and I were zero chance of being yeeted and also really fucking towny.

The counterwagon also has flips, outside of 112 herself we have Urist (TK) and Tutuu (NK) and both were town. I am also townreading Nook and Carot higher than some other players. So that would mean that Alison's wagon was pure outside of the 112 self preservation vote. Now, it wouldn't shock me to find that Alison is town and the wagon was largely town (and 112's wagon was town) because Alison actually was a terribad day 1 wagon that no self respecting mafia would want to be on.

I think that we should be yeeting between LC/Wilgy/Tedxtr. Wilgy/Ted are already cross voting. That makes me think that there is only one between them. This makes me think we should solve LC first.

[MacDougall]

This is a day 1 retelling. Tell me if you think this stacks up.

112 and TH are busy and disengaged in scum chat. TTC slanks nearly entirely.

112 wagon gains momentum. TH and TTC aren't catching flak so given they are in slank mode just keep a low profile.

Town made Alison wagon gains momentum. 112 doesn't want to push it hard really because it's a suckwagon and 112 has no good reason to. Teammates are no help because they are in low profile or not even be here mode.

"Looks like you're going over, I don't think we should vote Alison here because it'll look really bad for us if you actually do flip." - Said Turnip Head.

112 makes at least some effort to look town right at the end. EOD is a non event because the mafia didn't show up. I show up and ruin 112's day.

"Bye" - Said 112.

TTC continues to slank. TH can hardly muster even the most basic of effort.

You know how the rest of the story goes.

[MacDougall]

I'll bet my left flipper that Alison is town

Alison locktown I suggest we move on

This is how TH read Alison on day 1. Would have been hard to yolo onto the counterwagon when you've made these posts.

[MacDougall]

TH's ISO is an easy read and very interesting. I suggest you take a look. To my eye TH tried to pocket Alison and Alison was having zero of it. Alison hated TH's Amy vote. It's interesting stuff.

[MacDougall]

Despite the fact that Wilgy is defending me and voting alongside of me right now I feel like he is more likely to be mafia between he and Tedxtr right now. I feel like the way that he's treated the game since entering has looked agenda driven. He's pushed against pushable people primarily hiding behind a suspicion of Nanook which is easy to justify because of Nook's play and Nook's day 1 vote.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

I don’t feel great about it tho

Boi, you good or bad this go around? Talk to me about Urist and Alison.

Assuming was present for the vote, I find it very unlikely that he wouldn't chaos factor to try to save a teammate, but that's just meta.

I assume this refers to Mac?

If so I sort of agree that trying to create chaos during EOD to save a teammate is up Mac's alley based on what I've seen of his scum play. I don't think he's compelled to do it to such an extent that we should be townclearing him off it not happening though.

Fair

What about them? Alison is probably town ig. Urist is mayve mafia, idk

This lad is bad.

Wilgy doesn't believe this. That Nook post is like town play after Wilgy's own heart. Wilgy would be empathising with Nook just about more than anyone. Instead he's trying to lop off his low hanging fruit head.

[MacDougall]

Yeah, we can kill Mac now. Just reading his early-game 112-talk, and it's teammate-indicative. So far, he's pretty much been like "Oh yeah 112 is scum.... I'm voting Amy" kind of thing. [VOTE: Mac] aubergine He is 112's teammate.

What

[MacDougall]

LC knows me better than to have a read that bad tbh.

My "early game talk" was my snap first post reads, which is a hallmark of my play. I scumread several people then moved on. I ended the day on 112. This is dumb as hell. Me of all people at that EOD was perfectly positioned to save 112. I showed up at the perfect time, TSP was shouting "DADV DAVVDVD" and 112 trying to look like a sad townie. It's 6-5. If I recall I might have even been tinfoiling Alison by that point at least to a degree. Anyone who has played with mafia me knows that I just yolo vote Alison there to try to save my teammate. Hell TSP probably takes the bait and jumps off there to boot given how he was feeling. I could have easily saved 112 there.

All I'd need to do is be like "omg 112 is town, vote Alison". Seriously it's preposterous for someone whose played as many games with me as LC has to read my day 1 the way he is.

[MacDougall]

Just town

@Alison
@Carotenoid
@ColinIsCool
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Probably town but undeserving of my love
@protocultures

POE
@tedxtr

Scummy POE
@DrWilgy
@Long Con