The Simpsons [GAME OVER]

[Principal Skinner]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

Why are you on Mill?

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

you just made me ISO myself, and I resent that

I tagged you one singular time before D2 (and it was after people started pressuring Homer for dipping, so seems relevant to the situation at the time of you still not having posted by then), mentioned you a couple times when talking about zero posters (a shocking twist that you, a zero poster, would be mentioned in such a thing)

anyways, where I come from, inactivity ends up being a scum-tell more often than it doesn't

that may not be the case here and I accept that, and I am trying to not base my reads and moves solely off of that

Speaking of "here," is there any way to see vote history?

I'm pretty sure when I switched my vote to Lisa at the end of D1, I was the only voter on her, or maybe the second (leave obvious room for error here since apparently my memory is absolute garbage). Who did I sell my vote to? Then I switched to the Milhouse wagon, which clearly parses since, as you describe, I'm "weirdly obsessed" with inactives

(even though my case on Milhouse went beyond simply not being here: it was based on him coming by to drop a single town/scum wall and then disappearing again; not participating and then showing up to offer no actionable reads before going back to not participating is not town-y, and in a world of claims and spew, seemed as good a choice as any)

Do you suspect me for being absent up until the last half hour or so?

To the thread, to anyone reading your posts. I didn't mean it as in you trying to get people to join on that wagon, more like selling it as legitimate I guess.

What was suspicious about him dropping that town/scum wall? Did you have no other wolf read from D1?

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

three names drawn apparently from a hat and attached to words aren't "reads."

Mill -

Mill is town for that post calling alignment based on entrance posts. I'm having trouble seeing a flanking wolf do that post and then just dip, it's the kind of unprompted things that usually comes from town, like I guess he had the urge to do alignment guesses for fun.

Gramps -

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Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

Spoiler: show

Grandpa is creeping me out. Seems to have had a weird obsession with inactives and especially me. He tagged me, and mentioned my name a couple of times.

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

[VOTE: Hugh Jass] aubergine for the memes

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

I'm not sure why he felt the need to add the "for the memes". Feels like an unnecessary attempt at justifying a vote that is nothing more than RVS on someone that hadn't posted yet.

bro it's a #23 vote for Huge Ass what do you want from me

To just vote, not talk.

@Hugh Jass: This'll come across defensive as hell since it's coming from me, but was an OMGUS vote—based on a joke vote from the beginning of the game—right before EOD really the best you were able to muster in a little over half an hour? After a day of being able to read back, what are your reads, if any?

Same to you @Milhouse Van Houten. Anything beyond the town/scum wall now?

Hugh, you mentioned I have a "weird obsession" with inactives, but this is why. We have nothing (majorly actionable) to work off of from you two after an entire cycle. I'm not asking you to flood us with in-depth reads, nobody's really doing that, but like, something? Anything? After 72 hours, what's the scoop?

Before the spew clear and role claim I was pretty comfortable with the Flanders/Skinner wagons, and hadn't really built a major POE beyond that except with poking holes in what Marge was saying re: Homer and generally being unimpressed with Milhouse's empty wall. Will need to fix that today at some point.

Can't do better than voting Mafia. It's pretty disingenuous to label it as an OMGUS vote, I clearly mentioned your behavior of obsessing over inactives as well as your comment accompanying the vote. Also an omgus would imply that you actually suspected me rather than just a joke vote.

This is a bullshit argument. You tagging me and mentioning me throughout the phase when I haven't even entered the thread doesn't align with that at all. I'd accept that if I was already here and doing nothing or dipped, and you wanted to hear more about me. It comes off more as scum having trouble engaging with the happenings of the thread and creating content, and then using inactives to that end. It's a cheap way of selling an engaged and concerned vibe.

Post 425: Case in point in this post. It's an awful post, even worse is I, a no poster, is mentioned in it. Like how was I even worthy of mentioning at all in it as an option. The "seems better thzn chopping a no-show in Hugh" is ridiculous. It's the scum having troubled to create genuine substance I'm talking about. You're using that bit as a way to sell of your vote and fluffing your post. Same with Milhouse there.

I haven't read everything yet.

You -

The old man looks terrible in a lot of ways, but is also right that Hugh Jass voted for him for NONE of those reasons and Hugh Jass looks terrible as well.

I hate this read. I think this comes from a wolf more often than not, like it doesn't feel real at all. It's scheme-y as hell, the way he engages and accept the suspicion on gramps at a superficial level without getting into anything concrete, while at the same time shading me who also happen to be at odds with the gramps.

Like the way he goes one about gramps being suspicious for several reasons, and me suspecting me for none of those reasons. The emphasis of none feels fake lol.

Waiting for him to expand.

Cool story bro

I have made reads. I called Mill a townie, and he flipped Town. I called Gramps a wolf, and I'm calling you one now.

Sorry twenty minute man, but I just am not ready to buy into "I showed up, skimmed the thread, and KNEW the low poster was town." If you did REALLY KNOW it's because he wasn't in your wolf room. If you are just "well, he was no worse than rand and I happened to guess right" then get off your high horse.

I absolutely couldn't care less if you're buying into whatever "it" is lol. There is also no "KNEW", you're being extremely disingenuous here. It is expected though. I highlighted the read I made on Mill just in response to you saying I haven't made any reads.

He was indeed no worse than rand, and that is my opinion lol. I'm not on any high horse, you're the one apparently all worked up. Relax, buddy.

Finally caught up! I'm feeling things, feeling a lot of things but I'm having trouble trying to put them into words lol. It was also pretty difficult internalizing information, felt like reading posts from new players everywhere and the lack of familiarity with avys I guess you get lost sometimes and don't even remember who said what.

I think my strongest town reads would be Marge, Otto and Alison. Found myself agreeing with like almost everything Marge saying and that's pretty crazy lol. We have the two same scum reads and like most of her posts comes off as natural and you can see her train of thoughts. They're like open and accessible if that makes any sense, doesn't feel like there is an agenda behind them. I usually find the "lol" and other laughing acronyms as scum tells sometimes when they don't really match the tone and vibe of a player, and they're like using them to sweeten their post and comes off as anxious. Here it feels like she's just having fun, and it kind of gives off a good care free vibe that is townie.

Otto and Alison are the og contributors of the thread. I liked the energy they came in with, and it felt like it came with genuine game solving intent. Didn't really agree all that much with some of Otto's reads but they felt genuine, a lot of progression and reconsiderations which makes me feel like he's trying to figure out people for real and not just putting a show. I particularly liked post 72, I think it's the kind of post that only town does. It's nothing fancy but like scum never make them because they're never solving for real. I don't know if this make any sense lol, it's like the kind of self reflecting and gathering of thoughts that comes from a townie mindset when they're trying to get a feel for the state of the game. Agreed with his Gtumple take, felt also genuine and not like him wanting to get Grumple off his back. I understand it too 'cause you usually can have personal takes on how someone is treating you so you can get reads from it, I'm a no u specialist since I feel like I have good instincts for when scum is pushing me for bullshit reasons lol. Overall have the same thought about Alison, I liked her Gramps take and while I started suspecting him for different and more personal reasons, her take are good. The change of speed of Gramps is particularily telling. I also like her feelings about the state of the game and how its going, feel like genuine town concerns.

Pretty much agree with Marge about Homer. The idgaf attitude her and not tailoring his game to people especially after getting prodded is more likely town than not. Also it actually feels genuine, rather than like a scum trying to sell that fake bravado. He kind of embodies it here lol. The lock town on Mill is absolutely beautiful.

I'm having some trouble with CBG, little bit of a love hate relationship. I kind of read his concise posts as town like, they feel like naked thoughts and right to the point. Also some of the silly one liners he's dished have surprisingly pinged me town lol. He has that same attitude vibe that Homer have, although it's not something that is unfakeable (if that is word). Not sure if I'm dumb but post 417 is town for me lmao. We have Mill about to get eliminated, and it's like a meme-y mafia read on him that I just don't think Mafia ever makes. It's fucking hilarious.

Unlike his parents, I have no fucking clue who Bart is. He's in my townpile though. I guess for the bland reasons that his thoughts are genuine bla bla bla lol. I kind of like the little work he's done when he's been playing the game and contributing. Feels real to me, and while it actually matches other peoples reads especially the scum reads, it kind of comes off as he's coming into them on his own like he's playing the game at his own pace.

Kristy, and Lisa are in my PoE. I haven't really figured them out much and some stuff have pinged me. Also not a lot of things to work with. Krusty gives off a weird disattached vibe, like he's a robot if that makes sense lol. There is like no emotion accompanying his posts and it comes off as if he's not actually trying to figure people out just asking questions. Speaking of questions, I'm not seeing him reach much conclusions and seems like he's just faking contributions through those questions who don't seem most of the time to be stuff that will actually help him figure someone out. More like bland and semantic stuff that I guess help him fake contribution. I think his take on Mill's wall post is the kind of wolfy remark used to shade others. He's like piggy backing off others when they're discussing Mill, and he just pops in to point out something that can be seen as scummy and then nothing further. He dips from there with clean hands. Kind of saw it that way.

Not a big fan of Lisa's little contribution. Feels like she's hunting some easy posts to go off of, and then just share some bland takes. She's kind of using them to appear as if contributing. It's not the lack of reasoning that is off to me, it's more like they seem to be random as hell. There is no train of thoughts or contuinity to them, she's not like quoting different posts about a same discussion trying to give her thoughts about them or add to the discussion. She's more putting her hand into a lot of different discussion to I guess appear more visible, and broaden her reach.

Already talked about Gramps and Burns who are at the bottom of my PoE. Haven't really moved much off of them after catching up completely, although I'd say I'm still mulling over some things I've seen from Gramps. Also the inactives thing could be a culture/playstyle clash, but even then I'm not a big fan of the rest of his contribution. The gear shift that Alison built her case on is something I agree with as well. Scums are more likely to make it when called out, and it kind of shows that whatever vibe or attitude they had prior was fake.

I still fucking hate Mr. Burns with a passion. I think he was trying to discredit early on Alison and Otto with the fear mongering about them potentially power wolfing. It's a cheap way to shade someone while posing it as a an open ended question, "oh I'm just aking myself" "I'm not sure". It sounds so fucking fake, and it's usually the kind of cowardy wolf tactics to shade loud voices. No fucking townie put that thought out there immediately. It's so slimy lol.

I've got more thoughts there, and also more thoughts in general but this is it for this post. It actually fucking sucks to come from behind 'cause I have so many problems trying to put into words everything I want to say lol. I guess that'll serve me missing the whole phase. Hopefully I'll keep being up to date this phase. I initially thought about iso-ing every single player and then sharing my thoughts posts by posts as that'd be easier, but fuck that lmao.

I was fine with all of these posts

sure whatever, I can compromise

feel like Bart reacted villagery here and it may be worth sheeping them

my reads are gonna be bad probably because of the game environment, the way the game is and the combo of players and their views makes it hard for me to get accurate reads

[VOTE: Hugh Jass ] aubergine

Why even express an opinion at all if you're going to cheat and steal someone else's answer? That's setting a bad example for today's youth.

[Boringboi666]

before today i was ambivalent about marge but this effort looks good to me. i don't see the scenario in which mafia cares about making new cases when the vote is so spread, regardless of whether a teammate is threatened

[Principal Skinner]

You answered too late at the GTH, made it useless.

[My Shell]

before today i was ambivalent about marge but this effort looks good to me. i don't see the scenario in which mafia cares about making new cases when the vote is so spread, regardless of whether a teammate is threatened

I gotta say I was thinking about this completely differently, but this is a take that sounds good too.

[Boringboi666]

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

[Principal Skinner]

behaviour

[My Shell]

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

If we miss three times in a row we lose.

[NurseWilgy]

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

If we miss three times in a row we lose.

What? There's 11 players remaining, how does that math work?

[Principal Skinner]

Mrs. Simpson is the most upstanding stakeholder in our district.

I'm less enamored with this fellow:

[VOTE: Grampa Simpson] aubergine

Beetlejuice + "why me?" is a wolf.

A vote with no reason and after no pressure seems to be worth a "Why?" to me.

Is it tho? Seems a bit defensive to me, myself & I. If you're TP, then why would a no reason, no pressure vote bother you? It would if you're Maf of course

This push from Krusty smells worse than the gymnasium after Taco Tuesday.

Spoiler: show

Finally caught up! I'm feeling things, feeling a lot of things but I'm having trouble trying to put them into words lol. It was also pretty difficult internalizing information, felt like reading posts from new players everywhere and the lack of familiarity with avys I guess you get lost sometimes and don't even remember who said what.

I think my strongest town reads would be Marge, Otto and Alison. Found myself agreeing with like almost everything Marge saying and that's pretty crazy lol. We have the two same scum reads and like most of her posts comes off as natural and you can see her train of thoughts. They're like open and accessible if that makes any sense, doesn't feel like there is an agenda behind them. I usually find the "lol" and other laughing acronyms as scum tells sometimes when they don't really match the tone and vibe of a player, and they're like using them to sweeten their post and comes off as anxious. Here it feels like she's just having fun, and it kind of gives off a good care free vibe that is townie.

Otto and Alison are the og contributors of the thread. I liked the energy they came in with, and it felt like it came with genuine game solving intent. Didn't really agree all that much with some of Otto's reads but they felt genuine, a lot of progression and reconsiderations which makes me feel like he's trying to figure out people for real and not just putting a show. I particularly liked post 72, I think it's the kind of post that only town does. It's nothing fancy but like scum never make them because they're never solving for real. I don't know if this make any sense lol, it's like the kind of self reflecting and gathering of thoughts that comes from a townie mindset when they're trying to get a feel for the state of the game. Agreed with his Gtumple take, felt also genuine and not like him wanting to get Grumple off his back. I understand it too 'cause you usually can have personal takes on how someone is treating you so you can get reads from it, I'm a no u specialist since I feel like I have good instincts for when scum is pushing me for bullshit reasons lol. Overall have the same thought about Alison, I liked her Gramps take and while I started suspecting him for different and more personal reasons, her take are good. The change of speed of Gramps is particularily telling. I also like her feelings about the state of the game and how its going, feel like genuine town concerns.

Pretty much agree with Marge about Homer. The idgaf attitude her and not tailoring his game to people especially after getting prodded is more likely town than not. Also it actually feels genuine, rather than like a scum trying to sell that fake bravado. He kind of embodies it here lol. The lock town on Mill is absolutely beautiful.

I'm having some trouble with CBG, little bit of a love hate relationship. I kind of read his concise posts as town like, they feel like naked thoughts and right to the point. Also some of the silly one liners he's dished have surprisingly pinged me town lol. He has that same attitude vibe that Homer have, although it's not something that is unfakeable (if that is word). Not sure if I'm dumb but post 417 is town for me lmao. We have Mill about to get eliminated, and it's like a meme-y mafia read on him that I just don't think Mafia ever makes. It's fucking hilarious.

Unlike his parents, I have no fucking clue who Bart is. He's in my townpile though. I guess for the bland reasons that his thoughts are genuine bla bla bla lol. I kind of like the little work he's done when he's been playing the game and contributing. Feels real to me, and while it actually matches other peoples reads especially the scum reads, it kind of comes off as he's coming into them on his own like he's playing the game at his own pace.

Kristy, and Lisa are in my PoE. I haven't really figured them out much and some stuff have pinged me. Also not a lot of things to work with. Krusty gives off a weird disattached vibe, like he's a robot if that makes sense lol. There is like no emotion accompanying his posts and it comes off as if he's not actually trying to figure people out just asking questions. Speaking of questions, I'm not seeing him reach much conclusions and seems like he's just faking contributions through those questions who don't seem most of the time to be stuff that will actually help him figure someone out. More like bland and semantic stuff that I guess help him fake contribution. I think his take on Mill's wall post is the kind of wolfy remark used to shade others. He's like piggy backing off others when they're discussing Mill, and he just pops in to point out something that can be seen as scummy and then nothing further. He dips from there with clean hands. Kind of saw it that way.

Not a big fan of Lisa's little contribution. Feels like she's hunting some easy posts to go off of, and then just share some bland takes. She's kind of using them to appear as if contributing. It's not the lack of reasoning that is off to me, it's more like they seem to be random as hell. There is no train of thoughts or contuinity to them, she's not like quoting different posts about a same discussion trying to give her thoughts about them or add to the discussion. She's more putting her hand into a lot of different discussion to I guess appear more visible, and broaden her reach.

Already talked about Gramps and Burns who are at the bottom of my PoE. Haven't really moved much off of them after catching up completely, although I'd say I'm still mulling over some things I've seen from Gramps. Also the inactives thing could be a culture/playstyle clash, but even then I'm not a big fan of the rest of his contribution. The gear shift that Alison built her case on is something I agree with as well. Scums are more likely to make it when called out, and it kind of shows that whatever vibe or attitude they had prior was fake.

I still fucking hate Mr. Burns with a passion. I think he was trying to discredit early on Alison and Otto with the fear mongering about them potentially power wolfing. It's a cheap way to shade someone while posing it as a an open ended question, "oh I'm just aking myself" "I'm not sure". It sounds so fucking fake, and it's usually the kind of cowardy wolf tactics to shade loud voices. No fucking townie put that thought out there immediately. It's so slimy lol.

I've got more thoughts there, and also more thoughts in general but this is it for this post. It actually fucking sucks to come from behind 'cause I have so many problems trying to put into words everything I want to say lol. I guess that'll serve me missing the whole phase. Hopefully I'll keep being up to date this phase. I initially thought about iso-ing every single player and then sharing my thoughts posts by posts as that'd be easier, but fuck that lmao.

Interesting...has trouble putting thoughts into words, then proceeds to post an absolute novel. Ya, makes sense. Also, not a fan at all of the last minute pop-in at EoD last RD, giving Milhouse a townread on pretty much nothing (cuz' that's what Milhouse had done up to that point....nuthin') right before he gets axed. Super convenient way for a wolf to appear towny.

Mr. Jass wrote an essay here, and to my knowledge Krusty criticized the logistics of the post rather than the substance of it.

Skinner looking for a sub, so I guess I'll leave him be for now.

This should have no bearing whatsoever on Krusty's view of my allegiance.

I've looked through most of Krusty's posts and I'm not happy with them. These are the ones that stood out the most.

[VOTE: Krusty the Clown] aubergine

[Hugh Jass]

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

It's 8 v 3 right now so 5. 3 wolves and 2 free mischops.

[Boringboi666]

Allison Taylor
The Grumple
Hugh Jass
Marge Simpson
Otto Mann
Principal Skinner

Bart Simpson
Grampa Simpson
Krusty the Clown
Lisa Simpson
Mr. Burns

[Boringboi666]

oh i should have previewed the color scheme

[My Shell]

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

If we miss three times in a row we lose.

What? There's 11 players remaining, how does that math work?

Barring a doc save if we miss here and wolves kill we are at 9...if we miss again and wolves kill we are at seven, and at seven we cannot miss. So f we miss three times we are dead.

That's why coming up with three names and saying THERE IS A WOLF IN HERE is important. We don't have to name all three right now, but within three have to hit one. My three are Lisa, Marge, and Grumple.

[Julinook]

I'm around, midway reading through all the stuff I missed. I see Marge has quoted me like five times so I'll respond to that - if there's any other pressing questions drop me an @ and I'll get back to you.

[NurseWilgy]

what is The Math for PoE at this point?

If we miss three times in a row we lose.

What? There's 11 players remaining, how does that math work?

Barring a doc save if we miss here and wolves kill we are at 9...if we miss again and wolves kill we are at seven, and at seven we cannot miss. So f we miss three times we are dead.

That's why coming up with three names and saying THERE IS A WOLF IN HERE is important. We don't have to name all three right now, but within three have to hit one. My three are Lisa, Marge, and Grumple.

Ah, I misunderstood what you'd said. I thought you were talking about the 2 previous RD misses, and this would be the 3rd for the loss

[Julinook]

Do you not think it is time to start getting into that territory and reassess? There are 3 wolves alive. I feel like you've been going at the game one target at a time each phase. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing especially if someone is confident in their reads, but you don't give off that vibe. And it also stands in stark contrast with your earlier assessment on the state of the game.

Okay, I saw this bandied about a bit as a discussion point. I think I did reassess on a bunch of people. A few of my read movements (which you can track if you go through my ISO and see) - I had Gramps as scum early on for a bad entrance and interaction with Flanders, but he's been trending up over the course of D2 and D3. I snap read Lisa as town for her first post, but I suspect her now. I had my doubts about Hugh at first but now he's a confident townread.

When I reassess the game it doesn't mean that I flip all my reads, throw out my towncore and start sucking up to the people I used to scumread. It just means that - I look at the game afresh, with an eye to shaking off possible confbias and viewing past posts with more knowledge of people's alignments.

[Julinook]

I agree that Bart is probably Michelle based on posting pattern and I think their progression on Marge and myself is a towntell. I've played one game with Michelle and spectated her a couple of times and she tends to have a slightly defensive playstyle as town where she automatically gets suspicious of anyone who puts pressure on her, and then evaluates their alignment after some period of pressure to figure out if they were wolves trying to get a misexe or had a genuine belief in her wolfiness. It's just how she solves the game, and the way she approached both Marge and my initial scumreads of her fits that pattern.

[Julinook]

This is correct. Pure meta read, definitely town core but I can't lock that because he's a tricky bastard but I'm willing to trust him for now.

This is pretty ballsy to come from scum and IME wolf teams are usually scared to tie themselves to each other like that. Plus I have independent townreads on these two so I'm willing to just trust that Otto and Krusty are V/V.

I don't really get the thought progression in this post at all.

You think Otto is town because he made a read that him as a wolf wouldn't make on Krusty as his wolf partner???

Yes.

I think it's very rare for scum teams to just waltz into a sockpuppet game and go "I know who <teammate> is and I have meta on them being town, and I'm willing to town core them immediately based on it".

[Julinook]

CBG's responses have really irked me. I think he's going for a TWTBAW strategy. He's trying to give off an aura of not giving a fuck but his overly flippant attitude feels OTT. I think he's just scum here, maybe even trying his best to anti-spew so as to deny us associative reads.

don't like the last line tacked on there

the strength of the evidence you've provided shouldn't match the level of confidence that you have in this read

Alison's CBG read was that he was vote switching at EoD between his scum reads, wat

CBG was had a bad EOD1, was trolling all day, and was a strong contender for the exe all day. When he had his neck on the chopping block all he had to say was "I'm town, trust me". That's why I thought it was anti-spew.

[NurseWilgy]

I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

[NurseWilgy]

If anyone wants to take a look at Lisa's posts & tell me how exactly she's getting a TR at all, I'm all ears. I just don't see it.

[My Shell]

If anyone wants to take a look at Lisa's posts & tell me how exactly she's getting a TR at all, I'm all ears. I just don't see it.

Don't ask me, I never have.

[Principal Skinner]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

[NurseWilgy]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

[Principal Skinner]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

[NurseWilgy]

The only positive I can see to Lisa this moment is simply the lack of success we've had lynching slankers thus far.

[NurseWilgy]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

[Principal Skinner]

The only positive I can see to Lisa this moment is simply the lack of success we've had lynching slankers thus far.

Then perhaps try a different study strategy.

[Principal Skinner]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

[NurseWilgy]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

Nope. Orgasms.


C'mon dude, erry'body knows that.

[NurseWilgy]

The only positive I can see to Lisa this moment is simply the lack of success we've had lynching slankers thus far.

Then perhaps try a different study strategy.

I believe I said this exact same thing at the start of this RD

[Principal Skinner]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

Nope. Orgasms.


C'mon dude, erry'body knows that.

What are "orgasms?" That sounds vaguely familiar, like something you create with paper and your hands.

[PonySparkPrime]

I looked over Bart's response to you and it doesn't look great. The take on you is meh especially since they use your earlier TR on them and qualify it as being undeserved and like you trying to pocket them. They didn't voice these thoughts before you actually flipped on them, so they don't feel real here. Reaction to you looking for common ground and then voting me your top TR was meh, it doesn't feel like genuine confusion which would lead someone to look for answers. More like theatrics

Took you some time to make a plan to push me, you are not genuine at all, what you say here is a scum claim.
I reacted instantly, you were itt and react so much time after.
Feels like i am right about you, you remain in my Poe.

[My Shell]

I looked over Bart's response to you and it doesn't look great. The take on you is meh especially since they use your earlier TR on them and qualify it as being undeserved and like you trying to pocket them. They didn't voice these thoughts before you actually flipped on them, so they don't feel real here. Reaction to you looking for common ground and then voting me your top TR was meh, it doesn't feel like genuine confusion which would lead someone to look for answers. More like theatrics

Took you some time to make a plan to push me, you are not genuine at all, what you say here is a scum claim.
I reacted instantly, you were itt and react so much time after.
Feels like i am right about you, you remain in my Poe.

Can you give three names that will hit at least one wolf?

[PonySparkPrime]

I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

[NurseWilgy]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

You're a lousy educator if you think that attendance isn't an important factor in a student's success.

From my experience, attendance is the easiest thing to fake.

Nope. Orgasms.


C'mon dude, erry'body knows that.

What are "orgasms?" That sounds vaguely familiar, like something you create with paper and your hands.

Pretty much. If you're really lucky, like Otto, you can do it with a friend. All while enjoying a crisp, cold lager.

[PonySparkPrime]

I looked over Bart's response to you and it doesn't look great. The take on you is meh especially since they use your earlier TR on them and qualify it as being undeserved and like you trying to pocket them. They didn't voice these thoughts before you actually flipped on them, so they don't feel real here. Reaction to you looking for common ground and then voting me your top TR was meh, it doesn't feel like genuine confusion which would lead someone to look for answers. More like theatrics

Took you some time to make a plan to push me, you are not genuine at all, what you say here is a scum claim.
I reacted instantly, you were itt and react so much time after.
Feels like i am right about you, you remain in my Poe.

Can you give three names that will hit at least one wolf?

Except Lisa
Hugh
Otto
Gramps

[NurseWilgy]

I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

I feel like I'm an easy wagon for scum to push. If I get mislynched over Lisa, welp, then take a look at my wagoneers

[PonySparkPrime]

And am i supposed to look at your adult talk here? I am just a kid, please behave

[NurseWilgy]

And am i supposed to look at your adult talk here? I am just a kid, please behave

It's a free country, feel free to look away

[PonySparkPrime]

I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

I feel like I'm an easy wagon for scum to push. If I get mislynched over Lisa, welp, then take a look at my wagoneers

Maybe the way would be expressing your reads and engage your scum reads more.

[Principal Skinner]

I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be telling.



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

I feel like I'm an easy wagon for scum to push. If I get mislynched over Lisa, welp, then take a look at my wagoneers

Why don't you just tell us which one(s) of them is bad while you're alive?

[PonySparkPrime]

And am i supposed to look at your adult talk here? I am just a kid, please behave

It's a free country, feel free to look away

Okay, back to 2 pages ago

[NurseWilgy]

I'm good to wagon against Lisa. I know my flip, so the wagon race against Lisa should be tell



By the by, I am Vanilla. Book it.

Telling what exactly?

I feel like I'm an easy wagon for scum to push. If I get mislynched over Lisa, welp, then take a look at my wagoneers

Why don't you just tell us which one(s) of them is bad while you're alive?

I think Grampa is the most opportunistic on my wagon right now.



Lisa, Grampa, & somebody else. Boom. GG. Nice come from behind win ya'll

[Hugh Jass]

Do you not think it is time to start getting into that territory and reassess? There are 3 wolves alive. I feel like you've been going at the game one target at a time each phase. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing especially if someone is confident in their reads, but you don't give off that vibe. And it also stands in stark contrast with your earlier assessment on the state of the game.

Okay, I saw this bandied about a bit as a discussion point. I think I did reassess on a bunch of people. A few of my read movements (which you can track if you go through my ISO and see) - I had Gramps as scum early on for a bad entrance and interaction with Flanders, but he's been trending up over the course of D2 and D3. I snap read Lisa as town for her first post, but I suspect her now. I had my doubts about Hugh at first but now he's a confident townread.

When I reassess the game it doesn't mean that I flip all my reads, throw out my towncore and start sucking up to the people I used to scumread. It just means that - I look at the game afresh, with an eye to shaking off possible confbias and viewing past posts with more knowledge of people's alignments.

I'm not talking about reassessment in specific read, although most of the examples here have been early in the game. It's more about what I feel is a narrow view on the game. Like I'm not sure what your thoughts on the game look past your current target at any given time. If that makes sense. It's not inherently bad as I mentioned but in the case of this game and with the earlier concerns you voiced, it doesn't fit really.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would do that lol. Say Lisa flips, where do you go for them? Depending on her alignment.

[Hugh Jass]

What is the concern with Lisa? She's always been a top notch student.

Read her posts. She's made a remarkable contribution this RD, 1 post! Top marks, fo sho

I read them. The concern is that Lisa has one post this phase and that means she's a bad student? I find that less than compelling evidence.

She was the second wagon and has been suspected before her absence this phase. Being inactive isn't really one of the reasons.

[PonySparkPrime]

[VOTE: Krusty] aubergine

You voting Krusty and after asking Gramps the next question looks hypocritical.

krusty has been Low Energy and nitpicking weird things D3

Bart and Marge have shown up which is rad, but Marge's casing doesn't feel coherent to me

however I've only skimmed, so that could be a problem of personal comprehension and not, like, intrinsic to her behaviour

How so?

I can see someone being irked with the "I called it!" gloating. The agenda being you looking for TRs because of it. I read it as town tbh because it's so trolly lol

Your take of the above is a v/v interaction?

I read them independently as town so yeah I guess. Why?

Because you let some sentences unfinished and i want to see your take not to let it implied.

Also what prompted this question?

My brain.

can we just vote burns today please

get some real info imo

Info lynch denied from my POV

[Hugh Jass]

I looked over Bart's response to you and it doesn't look great. The take on you is meh especially since they use your earlier TR on them and qualify it as being undeserved and like you trying to pocket them. They didn't voice these thoughts before you actually flipped on them, so they don't feel real here. Reaction to you looking for common ground and then voting me your top TR was meh, it doesn't feel like genuine confusion which would lead someone to look for answers. More like theatrics

Took you some time to make a plan to push me, you are not genuine at all, what you say here is a scum claim.
I reacted instantly, you were itt and react so much time after.
Feels like i am right about you, you remain in my Poe.

Lol. I can assure you this is very much so genuine.

This isn't an argument. I've always got thoughts ruminating, and I keep re-reading stuff. Fwiw I actually did react instantly when your handling of me continued this phase and I told you that I didn't feel like you were genuinely trying to figure me out since there is no substance. And you never follow up.

If you're town, you're dead wrong.

[Hugh Jass]

Still waiting on those Lisa thoughts lol

[Hugh Jass]

Otto

Why him?