Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:40 pm
Marmot + Trustworthy scummates might be a thing.
Trustworthy jokingly called Marmot scum, too, but on reread, it has that "inside joke" kind of feel that makes me feel that they could be scummates. Also, when Marmot asked all of us if we were ready to get into the thread, Trustworthy was the last to answer (pretty much a seconding of what Turnip said as an answer). Quin didn't answer at all.
So you're discounting that TH and I could be teammates for the same reason you're suggesting TL and I could be teammates right?
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:56 pm
could refer to a wolf in the punk gang. thinking about a scum who can't be in scum btsc because they're in gang btsc.
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:12 am
There's eight players alive right now, right? If I take {me, Nutella, Turnip, and Quin} to be all town, I'd only need one more town to have auto if I'm correct with those four.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:41 pm
Marmot talk to me about your progression on Enrique vs Poison D2. In #1175, you clearly indicate that you're scumreading Enrique and like the recent content from Poison. This is reinforced by you interrogating Enrique in #1177, while saying in #1192 that we're "voting Poison just for a reveal" (ie. not because she's actually scum).
However, in #1200, you indicate that you no longer wish to vote Enrique because of his claim that he performed a positive action on nutella. Sloonei points out in #1201 that abilities are not alignment-indicative, and you respond to that by doing a big shrug and going "well, the vote's gotta go somewhere" in #1202 before voting Poison in #1205.
Earlier, your stance seemed to be suspecting Enrique over Poison - later on you felt better about Enrique because of the claim. But Sloonei pointed out that the claim was NAI. What was the reason you voted Poison over Enrique in the end despite the claim (which is what put Enrique over Poison according to you) being NAI?
I was on my phone there, so couldn't explain my thoughts very well with the deadline approaching.
I wanted to place a meaningful vote. I was concerned about a tie happening because I didn't know what would happen in the case of a tie, so I opted to vote in a manner where the results were clear, and that meant Poison was the only option.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:39 pm
I have some suspicion of marmot for not being as forthcoming about his ability but I think he hinted that he pulled them back into the thread which is probably just town? maybe he didn't want to be killed or something
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:41 pm
Quin may not have done anything obviously town but he didn't really do anything scummy either. I think more than anything else he was weirded out by the format. Why do you townread quin so strongly?
Because Quin was begging Mac not to shoot FG and the FG shot was pretty bad for town. Mac was choosing between FG and me, and both of us are town. A wolf has no reason to do anything but sit back and eat chips there.
Or it's just an easy argument to make because the results don't impact mafia one way or the other.
I'm going to [VOTE:
Marmot] aubergine since I believe in that exe more than TSP now. My POE is probably Marmot > TL > TH > TSP.
[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] can you move your vote since you mentioned not wanting to exe me today after all? It's drawing pretty near to EOD and I'd like to not get exed because nobody wants to vote and nobody remembered to change their vote. You too [mention]nutella[/mention]
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
actually I'm not feeling the marmot exe. We've been coasting towards it all day, thread is stagnant, nobody seems to care if marmot dies. I would expect more aggression on my wagon (since it's the counterwagon to marmot's atm) if they were scum.
This exe is a trap. Scum is probably sitting back and watching popcorn while letting townies coast to a Marmot/Alison exe and just brazenly going afk in the thread.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Their tone is sketchy, they won't vote, they only appear in the thread to defend themselves (when nutella threatened to shoot them and when TH and I questioned their tone), and their only push of note is an insane nutella tinfoil. I think there is a good chance TL is scum slanking their way through the day.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
He appeared to show a lot of activity Day 1 in the side chat (I had to read back since I wasn't there yet). Upon Day 1 ending, his activity appeared to slow considerably. His only comment about players in the game on Day 2 was that he likes poison, likes funnygurl, doesn't like tsp. He did expand a little bit on the Poison read, saying that he liked Poison's defense at the EOD. That amounts to a few comments over the course of Night 1 through Night 2.
Since joining this thread, he's voiced suspicion of me for... Not showing up in the punk chat until Night 1 and being accepted immediately? That's a concern that Quin had, although he's said that's not his issue. I'm still confused as to what his issue is.
So I can't see your chat so I can't offer detailed commentary on Quin's chat activity but I will say that the game as a whole slowed down immensely after D1.
There's nothing that says a fake can't surpass the real thing.
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:21 pm
Okay, Marmot was the one who first mentioned that Alison was one of the later voters on Vulgard and that she did so because she trusted the voters on Vulgard in spite of finding Poison more suspicious. Marmot didn't think a scummate wouldn't make that kind of argument.
Turnip then questioned this and mentioned the possibility that Alison thought the amount of distancing was sufficient in Vulgard's end?
This discussion all happened shortly after I gave my thoughts on Vulgard's ISO.
I'm not excited about voting off Alison today for the reason Hyena mentioned here. Per the following post from Alison on Day 1.
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:05 pm
In a vacuum I suspect Poison more than Vulgard. But when we compare wagon purities I think Vulgard's wagon looks a lot better. In Radiohead Mafia D1 I voted my 2nd or 3rd strongest suspect instead of my 1st strongest suspect, purely because I had a lot of very confident townreads, and all my townreads were screaming for her head. I was confident the wagon there was pure so I voted her and she flipped mafia.
I'm in a similar situation now.
I don't think a scummate of Vulgard makes this argument after having a teammate already shot on Day 1. She suspects Poison more than Vulgard, but opts to make a vote in a very close race on Vulgard. This coulda been an easy vote for Poison based on her behavior before this, and kept a teammate alive if she's mafia.
I do think she's more likely town than a couple other players.
Their tone is sketchy, they won't vote, they only appear in the thread to defend themselves (when nutella threatened to shoot them and when TH and I questioned their tone), and their only push of note is an insane nutella tinfoil. I think there is a good chance TL is scum slanking their way through the day.
You're not wrong based on his inthread content. I suppose I still have a lingering townread from our side chat.
I've gotta run for a couple hours. I doubt I'd vote TL today, but hopefully he has a response to this.
Quin did slow down a bit which I chalked up to being bored by purgatory. I'd like to hear from him before I decide whether to switch my vote there or not, all I've got on him is that he's been fairly quiet.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:15 pm
What about tsp?
I was about to make the argument that we blocked TSP and the kill went through, so maybe that partially clears him. But in hindsight, if there's a mafia in the punk chat, they could easily select the killer based on who's doing the blocking in there.
I'm honestly so lost, I could vote just about anyone tbh
I do really believe Alison could be deepwolfing here and bussed strategically/had her defense prepared, but it also feels so weird to me that I believe that now since I towncleared her so strongly earlier -- but that's exactly what I'm afraid of, misclearing her when I know her wolf game is really strong.
Idk. I'm really not feeling good about this phase, can see nearly anyone besides Hyena as plausible scum atp
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:45 pm
What's your feeling on TL, TH?
I'm kinda null there. They seemed innocent enough in punk chat, although TL did try to block themself in order to prove their innocence which was an... interesting play, to be sure
I could go either way with it, but if I had to GtH I'd go with town.
I think they are likely don't like Nutella/Alison pushing over to me when everyone they ask read me as town.
But i never win agaisnt the pair of them so i guess you guys will just kill me today Yeeting another town given the parts i bleive and can't really give any more information overall.
So since i always am getting mis killed if nutella and alison are both are mafia as town are just gonna go back to push me to save themselves.
Would consider marmot for the same things i sugested. But .
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:40 pm
Marmot + Trustworthy scummates might be a thing.
Trustworthy jokingly called Marmot scum, too, but on reread, it has that "inside joke" kind of feel that makes me feel that they could be scummates. Also, when Marmot asked all of us if we were ready to get into the thread, Trustworthy was the last to answer (pretty much a seconding of what Turnip said as an answer). Quin didn't answer at all.
So you're discounting that TH and I could be teammates for the same reason you're suggesting TL and I could be teammates right?
Kinda yeah. The vibe I got from TH and you joking around though felt different that the vibe I got from TL and you joking.
With great reluctance but also much relief, a time traveling steampunk dude releases his shark. It devours his target as well as himself, and then contents itself with licking its paws.
@MacDougall has died and flips:
Time Travelling Steampunk
You can only play in the thread on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days you won't be allowed to post or vote, but you will receive a piece of information about the setup. At any point during an odd-numbered day you may choose to release your Secret Weapon and kill both yourself and a player of your choice. You cannot be targeted on even-numbered nights.
You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
@Funnygurl555 dies and flips:
Paranoid Badass
If [secret subset of players that I'm not going to tell you who are] target you, you'll knock them out. This will have [an effect I also won't tell you]. Fun!
You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
Day continues, and I’m not resetting the poll—FG and Mac’s votes won’t count nor will votes against them be counted, and hammer is now at 6/8
So, while I can't vote with the punk gang, I can override their attempted roleblock. I almost switched to FG last night, glad I didn't.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:15 pm
What about tsp?
I was about to make the argument that we blocked TSP and the kill went through, so maybe that partially clears him. But in hindsight, if there's a mafia in the punk chat, they could easily select the killer based on who's doing the blocking in there.
With great reluctance but also much relief, a time traveling steampunk dude releases his shark. It devours his target as well as himself, and then contents itself with licking its paws.
@MacDougall has died and flips:
Time Travelling Steampunk
You can only play in the thread on odd-numbered days. On even-numbered days you won't be allowed to post or vote, but you will receive a piece of information about the setup. At any point during an odd-numbered day you may choose to release your Secret Weapon and kill both yourself and a player of your choice. You cannot be targeted on even-numbered nights.
You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
@Funnygurl555 dies and flips:
Paranoid Badass
If [secret subset of players that I'm not going to tell you who are] target you, you'll knock them out. This will have [an effect I also won't tell you]. Fun!
You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
Day continues, and I’m not resetting the poll—FG and Mac’s votes won’t count nor will votes against them be counted, and hammer is now at 6/8
So, while I can't vote with the punk gang, I can override their attempted roleblock. I almost switched to FG last night, glad I didn't.
this makes me confirmed town, arbitrarily
Not confirmed as
A) Has a chance not to work.
B) You couuld have a different mafia carry the kill as you are in a chat and another mafia carrys it.
Well A is based on if Marmot agrees, I think, but B is reasonable ON THE ASSUMPTION that one of LC or Vul is the lost wolf which I don't think is a good assumption given outside of a weird interaction they look fairly cognizant of each other's existence as a wolf
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:01 pm[VOTE:
trustworthy] aubergine
for now
I'm honestly so lost, I could vote just about anyone tbh
I do really believe Alison could be deepwolfing here and bussed strategically/had her defense prepared, but it also feels so weird to me that I believe that now since I towncleared her so strongly earlier -- but that's exactly what I'm afraid of, misclearing her when I know her wolf game is really strong.
Idk. I'm really not feeling good about this phase, can see nearly anyone besides Hyena as plausible scum atp
I don't feel good about going for Trustworthy now, by the way.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:30 pm
Well A is based on if Marmot agrees, I think, but B is reasonable ON THE ASSUMPTION that one of LC or Vul is the lost wolf which I don't think is a good assumption given outside of a weird interaction they look fairly cognizant of each other's existence as a wolf
The possibilities makes me not trust that it 100% clears you.
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:39 pm
I have some suspicion of marmot for not being as forthcoming about his ability but I think he hinted that he pulled them back into the thread which is probably just town? maybe he didn't want to be killed or something
Fiddler on the Roof
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