Doppelgangsters - Game Over - Town Wins

[Fuskdall]

Marmot says he can prove that he’s 100 percent Town so I’m taking him up on that one.

Fuskdall my question is simple, was this post the time you remembered that I made my role claim yesterday?

Gotta be honest did not know that you claimed

[Fuskdall]

I am not sure why Akemi is not around, it could be NAI due to Christmas season, but there is a chance she is frozen as wolf due to suspicion piling on her teammate PSP. I am convinced by My Shell's case against him and I believe she is completely lock town if PSP is scum due to exposing both him and nutella.

As for my role, it allows me to grant public bonuses to the town if I meet certain conditions. I can choose between either exposing a role card of one alive mafia member, but not who holds it, or the real identity of a mafia member but not which sock puppet they are using. I don't believe this kind of ability is possible to be granted to mafia, hence why I say it's 100% provable town, and when it is used, tutuu will reveal the information at SOD. I fulfilled my condition last night, and will unlock the bonus tonight. Mafia can't roleblock both me and Michelle so one of us will prove ourselves, and since the rules state double targeting isn't allowed, the other will prove day after, so mafia is forced to kill us or they will be locked out of the game via POE.

you literally just claimed what
anyways guilty until proven innocent and Id vote for the true identity

[Fuskdall]

But ok take a day

[Fuskdall]

But ok take a day

Update: I just got slow moded

[Fuskdall]

Oh it’s because I double posted and it wanted me to not do that oops

[Quokka]

Marmot says he can prove that he’s 100 percent Town so I’m taking him up on that one.

Fuskdall my question is simple, was this post the time you remembered that I made my role claim yesterday?

Gotta be honest did not know that you claimed

Hmmm

I noticed you tried to chop me and then suddenly reversed your read and said I am probably town, I was wondering if you lost the opportunity when you remembered that I claimed to have a provable role and tried to change your mind

[Fuskdall]

k keep conspiracying

[Fuskdall]

Your ability is not particularly provable but I need to know: do you need the role playing award?

[Quokka]

My Shell is very confident about her read on Maid and I believe 1337 and My Shell are both town. If we take all those to be town then my POE is Akemi/Fuskdall/PSP and we should win if we go through this. I doubt that Fuskdall and PSP are scum together, so unless I am misclearing someone Akemi seems like the most likely wolf from my POV.

[VOTE: Akemi Homura] aubergine

[Quokka]

Your ability is not particularly provable but I need to know: do you need the role playing award?

It gives me a second shot if I can fulfil the conditions again but I think I will be night killed before I can line it up again anyway.

What do you mean it is not provable? Do you think that tutuu gave the ability to expose mafia role cards or true identities to mafia?

[Fuskdall]

It’s provable just as vig is provable :P

[Fuskdall]

provable? Proveable

[Quokka]

I dislike what you are doing here, you know perfectly well that revealing mafia secrets is townie role, trying to call my solving conspiracy theories and cast shade on me and My Shell does not sit well by me. I am back to thinking the team is Akemi and you and Martin was killed because he said to entertain tinfoil on you.

[Quokka]

I will go for now, if you are town you should show me your work and tell me who you suspect the most aside from PSP setting aside the two role claims as even if you are right on PSP he will have a partner.

[PonySparkPrime]

that’s a WIFOM right there

you're a wifomo

[Maid]

My Shell is very confident about her read on Maid and I believe 1337 and My Shell are both town. If we take all those to be town then my POE is Akemi/Fuskdall/PSP and we should win if we go through this. I doubt that Fuskdall and PSP are scum together, so unless I am misclearing someone Akemi seems like the most likely wolf from my POV.

[VOTE: Akemi Homura] aubergine

Can you town case both, MyShell and 1337?

I will continue my Iso and check my own cnclusion.

[Maid]

Btw @Quokka if you do not vote in the poll your vote doesn't count

[PonySparkPrime]

[VOTE: michelin] aubergine

I'm voting my shell for the second of the dual roleblock claims on N2, as well as the two attempts at nightkills that failed. I think the vig claim is a lie.

Additionally, no one that I've seen claimed to be roleblocked today.

[PonySparkPrime]

The mentions of tsp are all early in the wall — suggests “oh I have to get this out of the way” vs a read that can be pushed or developed. And I think the specific criticism is designed to be hand waved away as “tsp being tsp”. As for Marmot, similar — very few mentions in the post, and then thrown into the town section of the reads list at the end for reasons undetermined

Imagine you are subbing in a doomed wolf slot, what exactly do you have to do?

Nutphant's slot could never endgame, I think all that post is a huge trap for village.

The existence of the post means that the wolf team didn’t see it that way.

mmmmmmmmmmm

No, nutella was never likely to last long. I could see them making that post with the idea of reengaging in the game and trying to last, but their slot was doomed, especially as long as we weren't hitting wolves elsewhere

[PonySparkPrime]

fuskdall, what's this post of mine you keep saying is townie and why is there only one?

[PonySparkPrime]

My Shell I understand if you dislike that I pushed Martin, but at the time I allowed my emotions to get the better of me as I was annoyed at the way Martin was being erratic and pushing me. After he revealed it was a reaction test I started to turn around on him and later on I started to townread him. I can't say any more than I am sorry for misreading Martin initially but I had good intentions there.

As for Fuskdall, I know I am not nutella's teammate so I can only assume that wall is meant to shade townies, but looking from the bigger picture from your POV, if we know nutella is scum and all the thoughts in her wall is fake, the most likely reason is that she is trying to bury you with meaningless words in order to make you skip past them and townread her for volume.

Why'd your emotions get the better of you?

[Akemi Homura]

Quokka is Alison and she's probably mafia here

I activated my bonus. You'll know end of the day why I'm town

[PonySparkPrime]

The mentions of tsp are all early in the wall — suggests “oh I have to get this out of the way” vs a read that can be pushed or developed. And I think the specific criticism is designed to be hand waved away as “tsp being tsp”. As for Marmot, similar — very few mentions in the post, and then thrown into the town section of the reads list at the end for reasons undetermined

Imagine you are subbing in a doomed wolf slot, what exactly do you have to do?

Nutphant's slot could never endgame, I think all that post is a huge trap for village.

The existence of the post means that the wolf team didn’t see it that way.

mmmmmmmmmmm

No, nutella was never likely to last long. I could see them making that post with the idea of reengaging in the game and trying to last, but their slot was doomed, especially as long as we weren't hitting wolves elsewhere

Although if My Shell is a teammate, they did vote for paprika day 2, meaning that even if nutella was in anti-spew mode, mafia was not in full bus mode.

[Akemi Homura]

(RL sucks sorry)

I'll catch up on laptop soon out of RP thank god

[Akemi Homura]

[VOTE: quokka] aubergine

[PonySparkPrime]

Eod 2


Akemi Homura 1 9% Voters: Maid

My Shell 1 9% Voters: Paprika

nutellaphant 3 27% Voters: Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Quokka

Paprika 4 36% Voters: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphant

PonySparkPrime 1 9% Voters: Fuskdall

fuskdall had voted nutella at eod2, it was a tie vote

[PonySparkPrime]

(RL sucks sorry)

I'll catch up on laptop soon out of RP thank god

(Sorry to hear that)

[My Shell]

Fusk looks very much like pony's partner here, and I see some degree of believability on both quokka's and akemi's claims so I am betting the team is just pony and fusk. Like just look at these posts today they are howling atp.

[My Shell]

[VOTE: michelin] aubergine

I'm voting my shell for the second of the dual roleblock claims on N2, as well as the two attempts at nightkills that failed. I think the vig claim is a lie.

Additionally, no one that I've seen claimed to be roleblocked today.

You are misrepresenting sir I clearly said there was no second vig shot. Nice try to discredit by just waving off the test of my claim, good luck keeping me in misyeet pool but you are obvious wolf to me and I am hoping others see it.

[My Shell]

The rest of *

[Maid]

Eod 2


Akemi Homura 1 9% Voters: Maid

My Shell 1 9% Voters: Paprika

nutellaphant 3 27% Voters: Akemi Homura, MartinWP69, Quokka

Paprika 4 36% Voters: NurseWilgy, 1337, My Shell, nutellaphant

PonySparkPrime 1 9% Voters: Fuskdall

fuskdall had voted nutella at eod2, it was a tie vote

I realised and mentioned in a post that the poll I saved is not exactly at Eod 2 but at post 815.
Sorry about that.

[Maid]

[VOTE: michelin] aubergine

I'm voting my shell for the second of the dual roleblock claims on N2, as well as the two attempts at nightkills that failed. I think the vig claim is a lie.

Additionally, no one that I've seen claimed to be roleblocked today.

You are misrepresenting sir I clearly said there was no second vig shot. Nice try to discredit by just waving off the test of my claim, good luck keeping me in misyeet pool but you are obvious wolf to me and I am hoping others see it.

Why didn't Pony vote for Paprika at Eod 2?
Maybe, just maybe, tied wagons were not stressful for mafia because one of them is double voter?
I just had this thought, who were on counter wagon in both the Eods?

[Maid]

Quokka is Alison and she's probably mafia here

I activated my bonus. You'll know end of the day why I'm town

Time to read Quokka's posts thinking at Allison.

[Akemi Homura]

1337 seems townie!

[VOTE: Maid] aubergine

Vote in the poll, just the vote in the thread is not counted, but is useful for town further in the game.
So if 1337 seems townie for you, am I suspicious?
Share your thoughts please.

You seem weird tbh. Why do you think miller claims are suspicious?

1337 seems townie!

[VOTE: Maid] aubergine

Vote in the poll, just the vote in the thread is not counted, but is useful for town further in the game.
So if 1337 seems townie for you, am I suspicious?
Share your thoughts please.

You seem weird tbh. Why do you think miller claims are suspicious?

Answer my question Quokka and I will explain later

You're pretty sus.

It's a pretty big reach to say that 1312 is role fishing just by claiming miller.

bad progression. continuing the iso in stages.

[unvote][/unvote]

I think Paprika, Maid and 1612 are all town. They are engaging the game in a messy and transparent way and questioning and re-evaluating facts about other players.

On the other hand I didn't like dodo popping in to shade Paprika without commenting on the 1612 miller business.

[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

Paprika is good seasoning. The real dunya would never diss a good spice like that.

tmi on paprika.

im just waiting for dodo's real reads
i don't think dodo is that scummy

Hold on.

How would you know if dodo is usually scummy or not? Nobody knows each other's real identities. Are you slipping that you know dodo's real identity because she told you in your mafia chat together?

These are some pretty defensive reactions when I called out your slip. I think I am pretty comfortable with that theory now.

cringe.

more to follow.

[Maid]

@1337 estas vivo chico?
Are you alive boy?

[Akemi Homura]

I'm so sorry for not keeping up. This game has a ton of pages. I've looked a little at the past few pages and I'm not really comfortable with how little vote movement there is at EOD, when there's usually a lot of vote movement. It makes me think that mafia is comfortable with the gamestate. I [dont] really understand the scumreads on nutella and the speed at which people flew onto her makes me think she's being mischopped.

yuck.

puppetmaster actually hates hot potatoes.

save on nutella above and below.

I think I'm less sus of dodo now. She would probably just vote nutellaphant if she was scum, unless they're W/W, but the wagons wouldn't be this stagnant if they're W/W.

My Shell has copped a lot of suspicion, but nobody seems willing to vote there. So ima do this and see what happens.

[VOTE: My Shell] aubergine

I see your vote is on Nutellaphant I could vote there maybe as she did not explain any reads

My Shell wants to vote Nutellaphant, but she frames it as a sheep onto Nutellaphant. The perfect position to deflect blame if Nutellaphant flips town.

Sorry I find the accounts confusing to make reads on but am trying my best

This is in response to Akemi pulling up some posts that she (Akemi) thought were scummy. This isn't a defense or an explanation, she is just avoiding the question and begging for sympathy. She thought Nutellaphant not explaining her reads was scummy earlier so she would surely explain her posts as town. But she never explains her own reads and tries to avoid it with "I find accounts confusing to make reads on".

The quoted paprika post there calling out a tr on another tr was one I couldn't figure out

What are your actual reads My Shell?

Maid martin and you most town

Nurse towny

Dodo and nutella lean wolf

Others unsure

This reads list does not make sense. dodo and nutella do not make sense as wolves together. My Shell is just picking the two most suspected people and saying they are her wolf leans.

In conclusion I think My Shell is the most likely to be a wolf here. A lot of people have said she is scummy, but nobody seems willing to put a vote. It could be because her teammates are soft bussing but do not want to actually chop her.

but why? why do they not make sense?

quokka is obsessed with nutella, that much is for sure.

I'm feeling negative about nutellaphant and neutral towards my shell. Don't really remember their posts/positions.

I think this post is wolfy. It does not show a desire to sort.

If all of the dodo voters switched to boringboi then I would be very happy with the poll right now.

I was just about to say I feel tempted to do a second CFD onto boringboi because My Shell got slightly townier lately.

cringe and open wolfing now?

I'm sorry I do not have high WIM this day phase. I should have paid more attention to my observation yesterday that the thread got a lot more excited after I arrived, in hindsight it's probably because the mafia stirred things up because they saw an opportunity to create chaos or save a buddy due to my entrance.

yes, the mafia sure did create chaos.

I am not skating by. I am just weighing in on the gamestate. I have already said I intend to take a back seat this day because of what happened yesterday. I am voting nutellaphant because I think she was saved, that's all.

no you didn't, and the puppet master is never deflated by a mischop, ever.

If what I think is the case wolves already know so probably no trouble. I think they caught my soft and blocked me to save her which strengthens my conviction.

HMMM

I believe this, not because of the soft, but because it is a totally unecessary claim if she is scum. Especially with a competing claim on the table, it's just too risky.

If what you say is true then I am less suspicious of 1312, his claim of miller with innocent child award looked legitimate, and if mafia already know the vigilante then he wouldn't be fishing for it in thread but would be trying to pocket you.

Did you try to shoot anyone N1, or were you blocked then also?

what does 1312 have anything to do with this? if quokka mafia, 1312 possible teammate.

[Akemi Homura]

Akemi has seemed town this day phase for me, her claim of an anti-town role that gets a boost if you win the roleplay award is believable to me based on what I know. Despite not understanding 1312's reads I trust him because of the miller claim and the fact that he was fishing for the vig and thought it was Made doesn't seem scummy. My Shell has claimed vig and that claim I believe will selve resolve sooner or later.

That leaves the POE to me (excluding nutella who I am voting) as PonyStarkPrime, Martin and Fuskdall. And between those, Fuskdall seems the towniest, followed by Martin and then PSP. If nutella flips town somehow we will have to re-evaluate everything but for now this is how I see the game.

Mafia have fake claims

Oh, that's true. Then claims have to be sorted based on how provable they are, in which case My Shell's claim would be the towniest since it's provable and would make no sense for mafia to make even as a fakeclaim. Despite not having a trustable claim Akemi at least seems to be putting some thought into the solves and isn't just pushing agenda needlessly. Right now I am working based off a nutellaphant = scum world and Akemi doesn't make sense as wolf with My Shell. Followed by 1312 for taking an approach to the vigilante that looks like a townslip to me.

no way t!quokkalison would ever clear me based on this reasoning and especially since i lied about being mason with fusk lmao. pocketing attempt.

why don't i make sense as wolf with my shell?

why is my shell the TOWNIEST of them all?

why is 1312 being pushed into her towncore?

bad post.

[Akemi Homura]

I really don't understand this exchange between Maid and Martin so I'm just going to write them down as not wolves together :P

[VOTE: Quokka] aubergine

Read me.

You are taking a very bold stance in this game with your one word posts and confrontational attitude. You are in the POE for me because you haven't done anything that allows me to hard townclear you, and I believe your taking three random posts and refusing to explain them but calling them mafia to be salad like you accused Akemi of doing. I townread you early on but it is very difficult to understand your reasoning right now. I think you could be W/W with nutellaphant as well with them attacking you as hard as possible to distance. Counterbalanced against that is the fact that on D1 you tied the vote of nutellaphant and Boringboi when you could have forced Boringboi to be chopped, which is what elevates you above PSP in my POE.

dripping with tmi that martin is town here.

[Akemi Homura]

I really don't understand this exchange between Maid and Martin so I'm just going to write them down as not wolves together :P

[VOTE: Quokka] aubergine

Read me.

You are taking a very bold stance in this game with your one word posts and confrontational attitude. You are in the POE for me because you haven't done anything that allows me to hard townclear you, and I believe your taking three random posts and refusing to explain them but calling them mafia to be salad like you accused Akemi of doing. I townread you early on but it is very difficult to understand your reasoning right now. I think you could be W/W with nutellaphant as well with them attacking you as hard as possible to distance. Counterbalanced against that is the fact that on D1 you tied the vote of nutellaphant and Boringboi when you could have forced Boringboi to be chopped, which is what elevates you above PSP in my POE.

dripping with tmi that martin is town here.

also tmi that nutella is wolf

[Akemi Homura]

Martin and you voted me, and it was bad reasoning. I am not over explaining anything, I am pointing out that the pattern of suspicion on me is similar to the patterns used to save nutella on previous days.

No it's not, proof is the wagon vanished.

Only after other players intervened to get the wagon back on track by repeating that we should chop nutella.

Who intervened? Who are the other players?

My Shell and Fuskdall did.

I changed my vote back to nutellaphant of my own accord after going into more detail about why I suspect you. No one voiced disagreement or talked to me about nutellaphant in between. What do you mean when you say these two “intervened”?

Fuskdall wrote that they thought nutella had to be the chop no matter what today, and you and Maid switched back soon after.

maid spewed town from quokka if w, fuskdall still possible teammate? hmm.

[Akemi Homura]

like, for quokka to keep emphasizing that fuskdall is the one who must be the chop today no matter what (several times), feels weird. idk what the intention was.

[Akemi Homura]

Who is the Queen?

For Maid I am much less certain on that, I did not like their progression on me. My Shell's vigilante claim was villagery, as mafia has no reason to do that this early, it would put a lot of pressure on them to live up to the role, and would become obvious it was fake eventually. I am not 100% locking her town for it, and will see if I believe the claim when it comes to LyLo but I trust her for now, and if she fires a shot I will trust her most as I don't think mafia would be given a vigilante shot.

You are Queen Marmot <3

tell me, what do you think of PSP claiming they were RBd?

You say that you have been pocketed by me, but question my roleclaim?

As for that, I don't know, it's an easy claim to make but I'm not sure it means anything. If it were after My Shell's vigilante claim, I might see it as trying to cast suspicion on My Shell, but it was before. It is probably NAI as I think PSP would claim they were roleblocked as either alignment and I don't see any mafia agenda in falsely claiming to have been blocked. The theory of one mafia and one town roleblocker is one possibility or maybe there is a JOAT who has 1x roleblock as well.

PSP probably spewed town by w!quokka here. gives my shell an easy town lean for claiming vig and rb, but calls PSP's rb claim NAI.

happy to bank that one.

[Akemi Homura]

Martin who will you suspect if I am town?

Idk. You?

Well you better start thinking soon because I am.

Currently I think I suspect Maid the most, followed by PSP, followed by you. After some re-reads especially of your long explanation post and the stubborn way you have attacked me, it feels slightly town, not enough to clear you but enough to put you above the other two.

this is another example of how w!quokkalison tries to pocket people.

[Akemi Homura]

who do we all want My Shell to shoot?

It may be better to give My Shell a group of people and she chooses who inside them to shoot, since mafia has a roleblocker.

was this ever lock confirmed? i saw her theorize about this and that and even a JOAT. but now she's sure mafia has a roleblocker and wants us to give My Shell a group vs. 1 person? what difference does it make if we give My Shell a group or one person if the roleblocker will just...role block her?

[Akemi Homura]

I wouldn't say so, 1337 might actually be the towniest person here paradoxically enough.

what

[Akemi Homura]

I am very sorry everyone I messed up and did not actually have another shot last night. I will understand if you do not trust me now but I simply missed a detail in my role and due to how it works I did not actually get another shot Is very disappointing, from Nutella flip I would have liked to try and get another one but I could not

I would have gone for Pony or Fuskdal probably think they are most likely Nutella teammates and will be voting [VOTE: Fuskdall] aubergine for now

Hello this is absolutely absurd and we’re spending zero seconds entertaining this

I could have just claimed I was blocked or something, I don't care, I am telling you truth it is up to you to believe it but I think you are wolf and want to paint me worst

I don't think you can claim blocked, since at the start it says roles cannot double target, however I still trust you because your vigilante claim was confident and early, and you are right that you were the most active solving early Day 2. I trust 1337 slightly more than you because it's clear the mafia bussed nutellaphant and 1337 wasn't going with the agenda, the way they acted near EOD is pulling suspicion and attention on them for no reason if they are maf, could be a mind game but I don't think so.

1337 defo in my poe. calling him an "innocent child" and moving him from probably town to towniest while casting shade on My Shell who was "towniest" previously is bad.

[Akemi Homura]

My Shell I understand if you dislike that I pushed Martin, but at the time I allowed my emotions to get the better of me as I was annoyed at the way Martin was being erratic and pushing me. After he revealed it was a reaction test I started to turn around on him and later on I started to townread him. I can't say any more than I am sorry for misreading Martin initially but I had good intentions there.

As for Fuskdall, I know I am not nutella's teammate so I can only assume that wall is meant to shade townies, but looking from the bigger picture from your POV, if we know nutella is scum and all the thoughts in her wall is fake, the most likely reason is that she is trying to bury you with meaningless words in order to make you skip past them and townread her for volume.

w!quokkalison never lets her emotions get the better of her. what a load of poop

[Akemi Homura]

I am not sure why Akemi is not around, it could be NAI due to Christmas season, but there is a chance she is frozen as wolf due to suspicion piling on her teammate PSP. I am convinced by My Shell's case against him and I believe she is completely lock town if PSP is scum due to exposing both him and nutella.

here it is again, the pocketing of my shell.

and me being frozen because of suspicion on psp? really? ooof, this one is bad. guess w!quokkalison was hoping i didn't show up.

As for my role, it allows me to grant public bonuses to the town if I meet certain conditions. I can choose between either exposing a role card of one alive mafia member, but not who holds it, or the real identity of a mafia member but not which sock puppet they are using. I don't believe this kind of ability is possible to be granted to mafia, hence why I say it's 100% provable town, and when it is used, tutuu will reveal the information at SOD. I fulfilled my condition last night, and will unlock the bonus tonight. Mafia can't roleblock both me and Michelle so one of us will prove ourselves, and since the rules state double targeting isn't allowed, the other will prove day after, so mafia is forced to kill us or they will be locked out of the game via POE.

how on earth is that role locktown? lol.

[Maid]

Akemi helped my lazy self and quoted these posts from Quokka, I can understand what she said. I am sticking with the pronoun of the original player, hope you don't mind if it's wrong

I have 1337 in my Poe too, and his absence is nagl

[Akemi Homura]

i just think w!quokkalison would have treated t!1337 a looooot differently with that miller claim.