Nanook is a Bastard Town Win!

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Let's see what happens.

Disagree.

The fact that you bring up mod lies and the possibility of this being mountainous

only to go this route

Doesn't really make much sense to me.

In addition it seems like your basing the whole n0 vig shot thing as your basis for scum-reading Made, without presenting any evidence (that isn't the n0 vig shot) in the thread that is scummy for him to do or say ITT.

Here:

i was informed that I took a n0 vig shot against a player because i thought they were talking fun, and that they were mafia.

I don't recall doing this, and from what i can tell everyone is still alive, BUT if i were to of taken a N0 vig shot, it would of been at Mac.

I believe that this part in pink is him guessing based on the information given by the first line above in the quote. Since he doesn't recall doing it.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Let's see what happens.

Disagree.

The fact that you bring up mod lies and the possibility of this being mountainous

only to go this route

Doesn't really make much sense to me.

In addition it seems like your basing the whole n0 vig shot thing as your basis for scum-reading Made, without presenting any evidence (that isn't the n0 vig shot) in the thread that is scummy for him to do or say ITT.

Here:

i was informed that I took a n0 vig shot against a player because i thought they were talking fun, and that they were mafia.

I don't recall doing this, and from what i can tell everyone is still alive, BUT if i were to of taken a N0 vig shot, it would of been at Mac.

I believe that this part in pink is him guessing based on the information given by the first line above in the quote. Since he doesn't recall doing it.

It was late and I was going into theoretical tinfoil paranoia mode. I agree it doesn't make any sense.

[MartinGG99]

Sort by character count become WW expert?

Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog

1. His vote is currently on a no-kill vote, as he's re-evaluating or evaluating people.

Also, I believe he explained his reasoning on Marmot. After all, he was right in that it did happen in that game he hosted where Marmot is scum. I don't see a reason as to why not he would look to that for possible analysis on Marmot.

2. Speedchuck had an almost inexorable hand in helping to raise the chance that Esooa was executed on D1 instead of Marmot by tying the wagons....and Marmot is a scum-read of Chardonnay's at that time.

Its not surprising for him to put more effort into speed chuck because of that. Besides, soon after his read on you he goes off to enquire about you.

[MartinGG99]

I'm more convinced that we have descriptive role names that were never supposed to be any sort of instruction.

Mine were never an instruction.

It just mentions a time where Nanook supposedly promised a good role to someone and instead gave them Mafia Goon.

[Marmot]

Martin confirmed mafia goon.

[MartinGG99]

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

Here's a very good question for you:

If wolves decide ties, and I can vote to resolve that tie ***anyways***

Then why did I not simply make a vote and place it on the theme of "Martin is lost D1"? Why leave it up to me in the long-run anyways?

In fact, I don't think I've even pushed the fact that Esooa died instead of Marmot anywhere, and not many other people have either.

[MartinGG99]

His post agreeing with me not-withstanding, I'm a bit of a fan of Marmot's recent posts.

I really don't feel any sort of scumminess from him right now, unless I go into the usual unreasonable "they're trying to pocket me" thought process

But I'm not feeling it

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sort by character count become WW expert?

Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog

1. His vote is currently on a no-kill vote, as he's re-evaluating or evaluating people.

Also, I believe he explained his reasoning on Marmot. After all, he was right in that it did happen in that game he hosted where Marmot is scum. I don't see a reason as to why not he would look to that for possible analysis on Marmot.

2. Speedchuck had an almost inexorable hand in helping to raise the chance that Esooa was executed on D1 instead of Marmot by tying the wagons....and Marmot is a scum-read of Chardonnay's at that time.

Its not surprising for him to put more effort into speed chuck because of that. Besides, soon after his read on you he goes off to enquire about you.

I mean this is an awfully charitable explanation

[TonyStarkPrime]

My poe right now consists of TSP/speedchuck.

TSP was around for some of EOD. His vote looked lazy. I'm not really sure how he could say this about me, but not about esooa. The reason I do think Martin is town even though his EOD vote was off-wagon is the means to which he got there were transparent.

TSP's overall handling of speedchuck aren't great:

the wolf team is speed/marmot. this is the way.

D1 Speed chuck was hard to figure out since I thought the thing about copping Tony's partner just seemed like a joke, but i did want him to out the result for curiosity. He backed off later and said it was a post restriction thing. I did take his word at face value, and didnt press it since i didnt see it as particularly useful info to pick at.

I think post restrictions should be treated as non-AI this game. Not sure if i have said that already.

I do think that Speed tying up the votes is probably the singerly most scummy thing he has done this game. Like, its scummy wheather or not Marmot turns out to be scum. Giving mafia the chance to choose who to shoot means they can build WIFOM on a player that was garnering suspicion, (Marmot in this case).

Really only argument i can think of for town doing this is not knowing better, I dont have the experince w/ Speed to know if town them makes a mistake like that.

So yes, i do scum lean Speed.

Tony SR was fueled by spinning non-ai things about me as if they were scummy.

Just seemed like he was saying things for the sake of putting reads out there, but not really thinking about it in a slovely way. If that makes sense.

Of course im not very familiar with Tony, so there could be method to the madness.

Sort by character count become WW expert?

Char puts almost zero thought into this read on me, puts paragraphs in on Speed, and still inexplicably has a bloodlust for the groundhog

Speed is largely persona non grata. No reason to think it’s Speed/Marmot because Speed doesn’t need to tie up the votes to save Marmot if Marmot is voting off wagon

He called for a Marmot/Speed scum team in rvs, then backed off.

I have no idea what this line is trying to say, can you expand on it TSP? What's odd about Char sussing a player they wrote paragraphs on?

It looks like an attempt to cast shade onto Char for suspecting speedchuck, even though it makes sense to given the content TSP is describing.


Then there's chuck's handling of TSP yesterday.

Hot Take: TSP mad that I red checked his partner

yes I am who'd you redcheck

Your partner.

I thought we'd been over this.

yes I am who'd you redcheck

Your partner.

I thought we'd been over this.

whose his partner?

You tell me

@Martiangg99 consolidate onto marmot please?

I could also support TSP/Esoopa

Im not interested in LC atm b/c he adores living in PoE as both alignments.

little early for consolidation innit?

I don't support a TSP lynch at this time.

Ok, it's mostly fluff.

But

Speedchuck didn't support a TSP chop. Why didn't you @speedchuck?

You misunderstand. I think it's char/speed and char has to justify SRing and not voting for speed. you refer in the next post to Char entertaining tsp/speed. Char still think's you're lock wolf! Supposedly maybe, if Char were thinking at all

[TonyStarkPrime]

to clarify that's not an insult "they're not thinking" that's a "I think they're scum" "they're not thinking"

[TonyStarkPrime]

I also sorta have no clue why I'm supposed to think that speed is a wolf besides for the fact that I always think speed is a wolf except when he's a wolf

[TonyStarkPrime]

that's a seperate issue

[Long Con]

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

Here's a very good question for you:

If wolves decide ties, and I can vote to resolve that tie ***anyways***

Then why did I not simply make a vote and place it on the theme of "Martin is lost D1"?

I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?

There are various WIFOMy thought processes that could prompt wolf-you to act that way.

I have more trouble believing in a villager who would willingly give the Mafia the choice between two players to yeet. If one were a wolf, then even if you choose wrong, you haven't lost anything. And the 50% chance of not choosing wrong results in the Best Possible Outcome.

Why leave it up to me in the long-run anyways?

We are but the playthings of destiny. Though you asked not for the burden to be placed upon you, upon you it was placed nonetheless. All that is left to us, is to choose how we use the time we're given. This reveals our true character.

In fact, I don't think I've even pushed the fact that Esooa died instead of Marmot anywhere, and not many other people have either.

Ok, but that's clearly on your mind. What does it mean?

[Long Con]

If one were a wolf

This could be confusing, I should have written "if one of those two players were a wolf".

[TonyStarkPrime]

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

Here's a very good question for you:

If wolves decide ties, and I can vote to resolve that tie ***anyways***

Then why did I not simply make a vote and place it on the theme of "Martin is lost D1"?

I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?

There are various WIFOMy thought processes that could prompt wolf-you to act that way.

I have more trouble believing in a villager who would willingly give the Mafia the choice between two players to yeet. If one were a wolf, then even if you choose wrong, you haven't lost anything. And the 50% chance of not choosing wrong results in the Best Possible Outcome.

Why leave it up to me in the long-run anyways?

We are but the playthings of destiny. Though you asked not for the burden to be placed upon you, upon you it was placed nonetheless. All that is left to us, is to choose how we use the time we're given. This reveals our true character.

In fact, I don't think I've even pushed the fact that Esooa died instead of Marmot anywhere, and not many other people have either.

Ok, but that's clearly on your mind. What does it mean?

It means something that no one pushed it, I think.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ooh cryptic tsp

[MartinGG99]

I mean this is an awfully charitable explanation

Sure.

Do you think there's a better explanation for it?

[MartinGG99]

There are various WIFOMy thought processes that could prompt wolf-you to act that way.

You see, maybe its a good idea that, while you *can* acknowledge that possibility

sometimes its better to not overthink things as WIFOM inherently can justify anything as being scummy

Ok, but that's clearly on your mind. What does it mean?

Generally speaking I look into "what does it mean" if someone *is* pushing it around as that implies the possibility of them being mafia and deciding that kill.

Here seemingly no one is marketing the concept of Esooa's death & circumstances with respect to any sort of reasoning, and therefore I don't think its a good idea to make a judgement from that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I mean this is an awfully charitable explanation

Sure.

Do you think there's a better explanation for it?

I’m up to three. Char what do you think of Marmot right now

[Marmot]

to clarify that's not an insult "they're not thinking" that's a "I think they're scum" "they're not thinking"

Responding to this because the big post before it is too big.

Char did enter the day thinking I was wolf, but appears to have backed off. If he had a poe, it's probably true that I'm in it though.


Char hasn't voted for me today. Speedchuck is the only one who has.

Can anyone recall who had 3 votes early on? Was it speedchuck or martin? Someone moved their vote when I mentioned that hammer was 5, but I recall someone had 3 very early today.

[Marmot]

That looks awful for Martin, who was voting off either wagon despite being present at Day's end.

Here's a very good question for you:

If wolves decide ties, and I can vote to resolve that tie ***anyways***

Then why did I not simply make a vote and place it on the theme of "Martin is lost D1"?

I guess it makes most sense if Marmot is your partner?

There are various WIFOMy thought processes that could prompt wolf-you to act that way.

I have more trouble believing in a villager who would willingly give the Mafia the choice between two players to yeet. If one were a wolf, then even if you choose wrong, you haven't lost anything. And the 50% chance of not choosing wrong results in the Best Possible Outcome.

Why leave it up to me in the long-run anyways?

We are but the playthings of destiny. Though you asked not for the burden to be placed upon you, upon you it was placed nonetheless. All that is left to us, is to choose how we use the time we're given. This reveals our true character.

In fact, I don't think I've even pushed the fact that Esooa died instead of Marmot anywhere, and not many other people have either.

Ok, but that's clearly on your mind. What does it mean?

Well, I know he's not my partner, but if we were partners, I think Martin would've tried to bury esooa instead of waffling and voting off wagon.

But yeah, you could also make the counter argument that if Martin and I are partners, that was two mafia around at EOD who could save me if necessary.


I guess it's up to you what you believe. Regardless, I think Martin's been the most fervent in trying to solve this game, and I'm willing to towncore him until we hit lylo.

[Marmot]

My point about someone having three votes earlier. I think char voted speedchuck early on, but moved it to no vote when I mentioned the hammer status.

[Long Con]

There are various WIFOMy thought processes that could prompt wolf-you to act that way.

You see, maybe its a good idea that, while you *can* acknowledge that possibility

sometimes its better to not overthink things as WIFOM inherently can justify anything as being scummy

Except I wasn't using that to justify anything, I was answering your question. I was clear that my main issue is that I can't think of any way a villager would do what you did.

Ok, but that's clearly on your mind. What does it mean?

Generally speaking I look into "what does it mean" if someone *is* pushing it around as that implies the possibility of them being mafia and deciding that kill.

Here seemingly no one is marketing the concept of Esooa's death & circumstances with respect to any sort of reasoning, and therefore I don't think its a good idea to make a judgement from that.

So, regarding "suggesting Marmot is mafia because Esooa died over him":

a) If someone brings it up, they're mafia.

b) If no one brings it up, then it's not something we should think about.

c) If someone brings up a) and b), they're probably town.

Does that about cover it?

[MartinGG99]

So, regarding "suggesting Marmot is mafia because Esooa died over him":

a) If someone brings it up, they're mafia.

b) If no one brings it up, then it's not something we should think about.

c) If someone brings up a) and b), they're probably town.

Does that about cover it?

- _ -

"implies the possibility of" =/= "they're"

Additionally, there are more things to suggest that just "Marmot is mafia". How about "Speechuck is mafia because Esooa died over Marmot" or something else?

What if it was a kill because they had already decided they were going to kill Mac? Spew nothing about Marmot since one said he was mafia and one said he was town?

There are, like, so many ways to take it, that its basically equivalent to overthinking in a tunnel. At most we can acknowledge the possibility and its my opinion that those possibilities not be the main piece of evidence why X is scummy or towny.

[MartinGG99]

those possibilities should not

ebwop

[Marmot]

Nanook is a bastard.

[Made]

For those of you claiming fake roles, namely speedchuck and Made. Did y'all target anyone last night?

@speedchuck @Made plz respond.

yo, I just realized something. Esooa's role didn't flip... which means doesn't mean she was vanilla town, but like, that's odd right? cuz we're in a bastard game and I'm vanilla town, if speedchuck isn't lying, he's vanilla town as he came from the same weird cop shit that I did, and now marmot is declaring vanilla town.

Could be this the fabled all players are town game? Beside Speedchuck, I don't see a lot of scummy behavior.

Mac dying is a odd shoot as he wasn't very active. I sent in a night pm asking to vig speedchuck (sorry) and nothing happened, so my role is probably just vanilla. I'm really just stuck on what's the catch is here. this game feels super normal...

but i'm just now remembering that speedchuck was protected by mac. so maybe my vig just got blocked???

[Made]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

[Long Con]

So, regarding "suggesting Marmot is mafia because Esooa died over him":

a) If someone brings it up, they're mafia.

b) If no one brings it up, then it's not something we should think about.

c) If someone brings up a) and b), they're probably town.

Does that about cover it?

- _ -

"implies the possibility of" =/= "they're"

Additionally, there are more things to suggest that just "Marmot is mafia". How about "Speechuck is mafia because Esooa died over Marmot" or something else?

What if it was a kill because they had already decided they were going to kill Mac? Spew nothing about Marmot since one said he was mafia and one said he was town?

There are, like, so many ways to take it, that its basically equivalent to overthinking in a tunnel. At most we can acknowledge the possibility and its my opinion that those possibilities not be the main piece of evidence why X is scummy or towny.

Fine. Cool. You're the one who brought it up.

[Made]

I kinda wanna change my vote to martin

[Made]

day ends in 7 minutes.. thought it ended at 5pm est, my b, but like...why is speed bad? is it just because he clowned with the weird role thing? That's kinda ehhhh

[Long Con]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

I still think this line of conversation is ridiculous.

[Made]

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine
this is the way

[Long Con]

day ends in 7 minutes.. thought it ended at 5pm est, my b, but like...why is speed bad? is it just because he clowned with the weird role thing? That's kinda ehhhh

No, it ends tomorrow.

[MartinGG99]

Oh look.

Someone just tied up the vote under the belief it was EoD....as I happened to come back to the thread

[MartinGG99]

also excuse me but what the fuck

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine
this is the way

Ok, so you thought you were switching the yeet from speedchuck to Martin with 5 minutes left. This is probably good intel to consider at some point.

[Made]

PHHHEEEWWW thank god.

but yeah, Martin is probably bad here y'all.
he's the only play this game who seems to have a agenda

[Long Con]

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine
this is the way

Ok, so you thought you were switching the yeet from speedchuck to Martin with 5 minutes left. This is probably good intel to consider at some point.

[MartinGG99]

what the hell man

Made why do you think I'm scum

[Long Con]

oops, I thought it didn't post the first time, my bad

[MartinGG99]

who seems to have a agenda

Oh, LOVELY.

Isn't that's how it is for me unless I play a game where I flip on my top town-reads twice back in Grasslands?

Or do I have to pull that shit again just so you can see I'm town or that I just *talk* like I have an agenda

[MartinGG99]

Like, for a big fucking example,

both as town and as mafia I generally create some sort of readwall on d1

read walls depending on how you can look at it can be viewed as having an agenda

[MartinGG99]

(This is ignoring the fact that I played most of D0 WITHOUT a damm clear clue as to who's mafia)

[MartinGG99]

D0 = D1 btw

some people refer to it as such but this is besides the point

[Made]

Like, for a big fucking example,

both as town and as mafia I generally create some sort of readwall on d1

read walls depending on how you can look at it can be viewed as having an agenda

yes, I remember in MC, you're reading like town you syntactically, that's not what I mean by an agenda. it just feels like you have vested interest in particular players being lynched in a way that other players haven't really voice.

I also don't like that LC, me, and speedchuck have all said some variation of "my role is a d0 power thing" and you and marmot have not, and both of you were voting speedchuck

[MartinGG99]

honestly WHY DONT WE YEET THE HIGHEST POSTER IN THE GAME

[Made]

I’m sorta convinced that Nanook might have given us random jokey things to do D0 that don’t mean anything

it's interesting, cuz there wasn't a d0 right? do all of our roles have to do with day 0??

I still think this line of conversation is ridiculous.

how so?

[Long Con]

(This is ignoring the fact that I played most of D[1] WITHOUT a damm clear clue as to who's mafia)

Is there another way to play Day 1?