Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 6]

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Who is evil?

Poll ended at Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:00 pm

Epignosis
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:00 pm is grogu pretending to be clueless or is he actually clueless

bc that could be a significant difference

if he's mafia he surely has a teammate who has kept track of this stuff

if he's town he may have genuinely missed it
BK was also playing the whole "what's happening, I can't make heads or tails of this game"
we can't stop here...this is bat country!
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falcon45ca wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:02 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:00 pm is grogu pretending to be clueless or is he actually clueless

bc that could be a significant difference

if he's mafia he surely has a teammate who has kept track of this stuff

if he's town he may have genuinely missed it
BK was also playing the whole "what's happening, I can't make heads or tails of this game"
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Kylemii wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:01 pm someone give me the 411 on grogu. what's this guys backstory
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Long Con wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm ROLES

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THE Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 616
---> Web Vest - You will survive the first kill attempt against you.
-----> Hero's Resolve - You will start each Day with -2 votes.

Superior Spider-Man - Otto Octavius - Earth 616
---> Vengeance - Any player who tries to kill you will die in your place.

Spider-Man: India - Pavitr Prabhakar - Earth 50101
---> Strand Vibration - You can watch a player each night to see who targeted them.
-----> Guided Meditation - If you vote for a chopped Inheritor, you will also track your target.

Assassin Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 8351
---> Spider Sniper - You may enact one daykill.
-----> Paranoia - If you are targeted by an Inheritor, you can reload.

Spider-Man - Miles Morales - Earth 1610
---> Cloaking - You have a 50% chance to evade negative night abilities.
-----> Venom Blast - You can nullify a player's vote. (2 shots, day usage)

Ghost Spider - Gwen Stacy - Earth 65
---> Spidey-sense - You will know who has targeted you each night.
-----> Justice - When an Inheritor is chopped, you get an extra vote in the next chop.

Spider-Man Noir - Peter Parker - Earth 90214
---> Spider-sense - Learn the alignment of one target per night.
-----> Demand Truth - Once per game, you can strongarm your check, seeing through deception and bypassing roleblocks.

6-Armed Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 92100
---> Sleight of Hands - Change one player's target each night
-----> Polymelia - Twice per game, you can redirect anyone who targets you to another target.

Spider-Girl - Ashley Barton - Earth 807128
---> Web Blast - You may block the abilities of one target each night.
-----> Thwipsplosion - Once per game, you can block five targets.

Spider-Monkey - Peter Parker - Earth 8101
---> Web Connect - Each night, you may send a message to another player. That player may send a message of their own the following night.
-----> Spider Stealth - Your actions do not show up to trackers and watchers.

Cyborg Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 2818
---> Universal Backup - You may use the first ability of most dead Spiders, once each.
-----> Arachno-creation - Once in the game, you can craft an Item and give it to the player of your choice.

Spider-Man 2099 - Miguel O'Hara - Earth 616
---> Web Watch - If a kill is blocked or protected against, you will know who the intended target was.
-----> Wireless Intercept - You will receive a copy of one of the messages sent each night.

Spider-UK - Earth 833
---> Wall-Crawl - You will track a player each night to find out who they targeted.
-----> Shield of Britain - Twice per game, you can protect another player from negative abilities.

Spider-Girl - Mayday Parker - Earth 982
---> Great Responsibility - You start with The Scion, and may pass it to another player at any time.
-----> Judge of Character - If you vote for a Spider, your vote is worth 0.5.

Spider-Ham - Peter Porker - Earth 25
---> Straight from the Snout - Each night, you will write a post that the Host will post in the thread after the night is over.
-----> Cartoon Rebound - You will survive the first nightkill attempt against you.

Silk - Cindy Moon - The Bride - Earth 616
---> Pheromone Connection - If THE Spider-Man is targeted, you will know who targeted him. If his death is janitored, you will know his identity.
-----> Web of Life and Destiny - You start the game with knowledge of The Other’s identity.

Kaine Parker - Scarlet Spider - The Other - Earth 616
---> Metamorphosis - You will self-resurrect two days after you die. You will resurrect with one daykill to use.
-----> Web of Life and Destiny - You start the game with knowledge of The Bride’s identity.

Cosmic Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 13
---> Enigma Force - You can protect and cure two players each night.

Spider-Punk - Hobie Brown - Earth 138
---> Fight the Power - You may stop one chop in the game.
-----> Hardcore - Each day you may target a player. That player may use their ability twice that night.

Manga Spider-Man - Yu Komori - Earth 2301
---> Focus on the Moment - Twice in the game, you can remove three votes from yourself during the day
-----> Extend Ch’i - Twice in the game, you can remove three votes from another player during the day

Lady Spider - May Reilly - Earth 803
---> Gaslight Beacon - Each night, you may choose a player. Any deception surrounding that player will be negated.
-----> Spider-tracker - On Night 1, you will place a tracking device on a player, and you will know who that player targets for the rest of the game.




The Inheritors of the Multiverse - This family of powerful energy vampires have control over the Web of Life and Destiny, and powerful cloning technology that can get them back in the fight mere minutes after dying. Immensely powerful, immortal, nigh unstoppable.

Each night, one Inheritor will be chosen to make the team kill. If two Inheritors give up their night abilities, then the kill can be substituted for a Soup Kill. If an Inheritor makes the kill, they cannot be chosen to make the kill again before two nights have passed.

If the Bride, the Other, and the Scion die, the Inheritors may make two kills the following night.

Karn - Lost Wolf, the other Inheritors know who you are, but you do not know them. If you are the last remaining Inheritor, you can win with the town. You can track a player each night to see who they targeted.

Brix - Seemer, each night choose a target, that player will deceive info roles. Choose your role reveal upon death. You will know when you are targeted, and what false information was given.

Bora - Janitor kill, you receive the role. Each night choose a target, that player’s role will deceive them if possible

Morlun - Your vote value is equal to half the Day phase number. You receive a -1 modifier each time THE Spider-Man ends the Day with a vote on you.

Verna - Poison a player each night. The nature of this poison is that the player shall receive cumulative votes at the start of each day until healed.

Daemos - Two kills. Each night, you may send a message to another player. That player may send a message of their own the following night.

Jennix - Watcher kill - you will know who targeted your kill target, successful or not. Nullify a target’s abilities each night, rendering them vanilla.

Solus - Strongman kill, will bypass any and all protections. If you vote for an Inheritor, your vote is worth 0.5.

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I don’t see masons here. It is the bride thing?
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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:workit:
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Marmot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:05 pm
Kylemii wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:01 pm someone give me the 411 on grogu. what's this guys backstory
CHAPTER 1 - Grogu Uncovers the Syndicate's Devious Plots

CHAPTER 2 - Grogu Makes a New Friend


It's a work in progress, but alternate takes and spinoffs are all welcome.
Oops, I forgot one

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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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@Kylemii what was the last game you were mafia in?
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have you been mafia since you returned in the last several months or has it been longer
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nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:10 pm have you been mafia since you returned in the last several months or has it been longer
He was mafia in Christmas time Mafia
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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oh wait you were mafia in the santa game right

yeah answered my own question ok sorry
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Kylemii wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:01 pm someone give me the 411 on grogu. what's this guys backstory
Hi kyleiii
I am a simple child making my way through the galaxy, like my father before me.
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and marmot answered it too!
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Kylemii wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:47 pm I don't have time to read or review Cat.

my vote is being placed on [VOTE: $ig] aubergine

I have consulted the ancient spirits of Christmas past and present and they have told me that this is the way :zen:
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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yeah i think kyle can be mafia here honestly just comparing his iso there
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zen is the new jib
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Marmot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:07 pm
Marmot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:05 pm
Kylemii wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:01 pm someone give me the 411 on grogu. what's this guys backstory
CHAPTER 1 - Grogu Uncovers the Syndicate's Devious Plots

CHAPTER 2 - Grogu Makes a New Friend


It's a work in progress, but alternate takes and spinoffs are all welcome.
Oops, I forgot one

CHAPTER 3 - Pain au chocolat
Omg pain au chocolat :hugs:
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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I just don't get the nutella push tbh. Like it's good not to let deepwolves slip through and it's obviously coming from a genuine place (the towncleared amdibals) but I don't see anything beyond a generic 'yeah this could be w/w interaction' between their posts, which is enough to keep the possibility open but not worth pushing a high-posting-solvy-looking slot on D2. Town Nutella should never be one of the wolves' mischops so let's not do their work for them unless we're pretty certain or we've gone wrong in our ongoing PoE (which so far we haven't considering the flips have been pretty expected).

I'm now going to shut up about nutella because obviously after all these words I've used I'm going to end up wrong about her. (But I don't mind, because I owe her one after she hard-defended me in this sort of same way in...was it Coronavirus mafia? Something last year.)
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:13 pm zen is the new jib
That would be hilarious, because jib came from that game too :haha:
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like he also does the same thing of asking unfamiliar players "what's your deal" and that could be an easy way for scum to manufacture content/look like theyre trying to solve

to be fair i should see if he did that in SC as town too, i think there are tonal/stylistic things he does consistently as both alignments so it's hard to be confident based on pattern matching but i've at least determined he's not out of scum range
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:13 pm zen is the new jib
If you and I do see games the same way as I suspect, then you both don't believe this but also secretly think it's has an above rand chance of being true.
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Kyle reads scummy to me. Unless his style has changed this is not
Town Kyle IMO.
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nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:13 pm zen is the new jib
Holy shit nutella!!!
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Also I want to voice general agreement that Kyle could be scum here. I haven't played with him yet (I think? I'm very forgetful) but I watched him in Simpsons and he spotted the green in his slot immediately there and haven't done so here. He seems more intent on affecting a light, jokey tone in this game than actually digging in.

Not a hard read, but a *nods head along* sorta thing as others suggest it.
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Master Radishes wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:16 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:13 pm zen is the new jib
If you and I do see games the same way as I suspect, then you both don't believe this but also secretly think it's has an above rand chance of being true.
yeah i unironically think it's a good find (esp combined with the other thing i said about interrogating new players)

earlier in this game i felt like his tone was similar to in SC but it more and more feels like he's not as confident in the thread and is struggling to say things
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:03 am I am moving on, you can do as you please. :zen:

jack do you want to do trust fall excercize with me since sloonei's not here
Kyle said zen in Mega Man Mafia, he was mafia here.

Kylemii wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:47 pm I don't have time to read or review Cat.

my vote is being placed on [VOTE: $ig] aubergine

I have consulted the ancient spirits of Christmas past and present and they have told me that this is the way :zen:

Kyle used the word in Christmastime Mafia, he was mafia here too.

Kylemii wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:46 pm this forum needs a "zen" emoji. I need to be able to punctuate my shit with a tiny little meditating man to be properly understood

Kyle used it in this game as well!!



Those are the only 3 times Kyle has used the word zen on the Syndicate, and that's in well over 8k posts.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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[VOTE: kylemii] aubergine

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[VOTE: Kyle] aubergine
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Lmao let's go

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Marmot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:18 pm
Kylemii wrote: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:03 am I am moving on, you can do as you please. :zen:

jack do you want to do trust fall excercize with me since sloonei's not here
Kyle said zen in Mega Man Mafia, he was mafia here.

Kylemii wrote: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:47 pm I don't have time to read or review Cat.

my vote is being placed on [VOTE: $ig] aubergine

I have consulted the ancient spirits of Christmas past and present and they have told me that this is the way :zen:

Kyle used the word in Christmastime Mafia, he was mafia here too.

Kylemii wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:46 pm this forum needs a "zen" emoji. I need to be able to punctuate my shit with a tiny little meditating man to be properly understood

Kyle used it in this game as well!!



Those are the only 3 times Kyle has used the word zen on the Syndicate, and that's in well over 8k posts.
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Can I also get ahead of the game and say if this ends up correct nutella is town because no way a wolf stomps on her partner in *that* kind of way.
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Master Radishes wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:20 pm Can I also get ahead of the game and say if this ends up correct nutella is town because no way a wolf stomps on her partner in *that* kind of way.

Nobody bought that I was town when I stomped Made in that kind of way in Bike Mafia. :fist:

But yeah, you're probably right.
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Marmot wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:21 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:20 pm Can I also get ahead of the game and say if this ends up correct nutella is town because no way a wolf stomps on her partner in *that* kind of way.

Nobody bought that I was town when I stomped Made in that kind of way in Bike Mafia. :fist:

But yeah, you're probably right.
Tbf Made had more collective suss at that point iirc, so it was a bussing spot.

But yeah, in hindsight you're right, and I retroactively apologise.
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he also bantered about avatars in the christmas game and has done it quite a lot here

i think he's trying to appear like his casual jokey self but it's not balanced enough with real gameplay
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Made wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:41 pm
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Seanzie wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am
Made wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat
Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?
I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Made said this today. Made has used this phrase exactly one other time on this forum.

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What do you think about sloonei?
What do you think about sloonei?
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Why?
I like the cut of ya jib, not really see an angle for a bad paprika generally, and ur defense of samu enough sense to be genuine

That was in Christmastime Mafia. Made was mafia in that game.
this is also one of three games i've played since i was 19. i'm 23 now, i'm sure i didn't say vibe in 2016 either. I see the logic, but this is a bad take.
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are you guys implying that Kyle pocketed me with his cute avatars
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KZA wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:24 pm are you guys implying that Kyle pocketed me with his cute avatars
Hey give us the pic.

You know the one. That face.
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Tbh tho, I really don't think Kyle is the way to go today

i actually find it sus that every person we moved the wagon to was town /w a role claim. Like where we really that far off??
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Made wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:25 pm Tbh tho, I really don't think Kyle is the way to go today

i actually find it sus that every person we moved the wagon to was town /w a role claim. Like where we really that far off??
I haven't given up my Michelle suss, but probably because I was the first one on her case and want to be proven right.
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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[VOTE: kylemii] aubergine
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oh, hey. Let's not do that
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Re: Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 2]

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Master Radishes wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:22 pm Image
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Kylemii wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:47 pm
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Kylemii wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:37 pm
KZA wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:35 pm No I think it's actually towny that Bo showed up and wanted to participate in the largest wagons
is there something specific about Bo that makes this specifically true for them?
Scummy question
i don't know anything about Bo, the implication seems to be that KZA doesn't think their post was unusual, so i want to know if there's meta precedent
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Master Radishes wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:25 pm
KZA wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:24 pm are you guys implying that Kyle pocketed me with his cute avatars
Hey give us the pic.

You know the one. That face.
please I just want to be a player not a champs meme
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Honestly same.

Has Michelle ever role claimed like this before??? I don't know her like that, but It just seems like a weird thing for her to do, especially here where town spewing would probably be enough to clear her.

Like I get she's busy, but like just seems weird
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KZA wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:31 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:25 pm
KZA wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:24 pm are you guys implying that Kyle pocketed me with his cute avatars
Hey give us the pic.

You know the one. That face.
please I just want to be a player not a champs meme
being a champs meme is the greatest honor, radish knows this well
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Kyle asking me questions hopefully separates us when he dies. He really does not know me and we are not a team obviously.
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KZA wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:24 pm are you guys implying that Kyle pocketed me with his cute avatars
Not just you, but yeah
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Made wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:31 pm Honestly same.

Has Michelle ever role claimed like this before??? I don't know her like that, but It just seems like a weird thing for her to do, especially here where town spewing would probably be enough to clear her.

Like I get she's busy, but like just seems weird
i think it's believable enough for now and it did seem like she legit just wasn't going to have time to "be townie" during this phase and felt like she had to
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