Magic the Gathering Mafia - Game Over - Mafia has won!

[hollowkatt]

Jack is obvious town

on that, at least, we can agree

[hollowkatt]

I have zero interest in any of these wagons: Falcon, Jack, JPIC, Mac, Marmot. Do something better with your votes sheesh

[Enrique]

I’m gonna throw out more claim right now than I normally do in games because I think it might be strategically helpful.

I have essentially two powers. One can be cast by the mana I produce or less and it’s not great. The other can be cast by more mana than I can produce by myself in a turn and is pretty decent. It’s my understanding that I can’t save up mana turn to turn.

Without rereading the rules or my rolecard, we have 10 life and a mafia kill removes 10 life. Say I need 2 extra mana to use my better ability. If I can actually get that mana and if I get targeted by that dissolve the fool power every night, it’d take 5 nights of using a better power to die, which is probably totally worth it in a game this side. Arguably no downside, even.

So the real downside to anyone with an ability choice like mine is outting that I have “a decent power” and then either having to say “give me mana if you can spare it,” which risks the fool blast doing extra damage or just not getting anything, or we have to more publicly declare what we’re doing, making it easier to not get the mana you need and generally making the wolf’s job of disrupting town powerroles easier. Ie if I’m town and LC is town and the mafia has a rb, they can essentially block us both if we make it public that LC is giving me mana by blocking me. But if I just say “give me mana” I might get 5+ and get fool killed in 2 nights instead of 5.

So like...thoughts on the best way to strategerize with this setup?

I've read this thru twice, and I'm still not sure what you're saying.


Seems Magic has gotten a bit more complex since I was a lad.

I'm going to be upfront with this because I have a role which will never be useful without claiming:

I have one ability which takes more Mana than I can produce, and it uses nothing but colorless. The fact I will do nothing without being given specific Mana, or sharing Mana to players, is why I want to figure this out

I, for one, would like to know what the ability is, and why I should spend my colorless mana on yours over others.


I'm assuming everyone got at least 1 colorless mana land?

These are the posts I was talking about. The Jack one looks kinda innocuous but they're both very similar cases. If earlier I town-read hk for wanting to keep mana talk to a minimum, this is just recklessly fishing for information we don't actually need so early in the game (Urist's approach is the one that makes most sense to me. If you really need mana, maybe tell us a color and keep the option in the air). It's about finding a good mana honeypot to PtF, and while at that just identify potentially threatening civ roles.

Sorry for bringing up ancient history like only wolves ever do, it's just what I've observed.

[falcon45ca]

If you believe I am mafia, explain this exchange:

You were never in danger of PtF. That's why I sent it to you.

But I understand your concern.

You are a civilian henceforth.

My explanation is lame.

What if both Epi & Guillo are scum? Do we have any proof outside of their word that any of this happened? No.

guillo's definitely town

I'm town. The only way I definitely know that there are other townies is that the game isn't over.


Beyond myself, I'm out of definites.

Well then you are lost

Alright, well you seem familiar...have we met before?


Will you be my sensei? Spirit guide? Maharaja?

[112]

why would anybody want to chop me :/

I'm going to take a wild guess and say: you got a mafia role PM and it shows.

nope. i'm only ever yeeted as scum by pure luck governed by statistics.

[hollowkatt]

why would anybody want to chop me :/

I'm going to take a wild guess and say: you got a mafia role PM and it shows.

nope. i'm only ever yeeted as scum by pure luck governed by statistics.

Oh ok then. Guess we'll be statistically lucky then this game, right wolf?

[MacDougall]

I have zero interest in any of these wagons: Falcon, Jack, JPIC, Mac, Marmot. Do something better with your votes sheesh

Make a fucking better one then

[falcon45ca]

I’m gonna throw out more claim right now than I normally do in games because I think it might be strategically helpful.

I have essentially two powers. One can be cast by the mana I produce or less and it’s not great. The other can be cast by more mana than I can produce by myself in a turn and is pretty decent. It’s my understanding that I can’t save up mana turn to turn.

Without rereading the rules or my rolecard, we have 10 life and a mafia kill removes 10 life. Say I need 2 extra mana to use my better ability. If I can actually get that mana and if I get targeted by that dissolve the fool power every night, it’d take 5 nights of using a better power to die, which is probably totally worth it in a game this side. Arguably no downside, even.

So the real downside to anyone with an ability choice like mine is outting that I have “a decent power” and then either having to say “give me mana if you can spare it,” which risks the fool blast doing extra damage or just not getting anything, or we have to more publicly declare what we’re doing, making it easier to not get the mana you need and generally making the wolf’s job of disrupting town powerroles easier. Ie if I’m town and LC is town and the mafia has a rb, they can essentially block us both if we make it public that LC is giving me mana by blocking me. But if I just say “give me mana” I might get 5+ and get fool killed in 2 nights instead of 5.

So like...thoughts on the best way to strategerize with this setup?

I've read this thru twice, and I'm still not sure what you're saying.


Seems Magic has gotten a bit more complex since I was a lad.

I'm going to be upfront with this because I have a role which will never be useful without claiming:

I have one ability which takes more Mana than I can produce, and it uses nothing but colorless. The fact I will do nothing without being given specific Mana, or sharing Mana to players, is why I want to figure this out

I, for one, would like to know what the ability is, and why I should spend my colorless mana on yours over others.


I'm assuming everyone got at least 1 colorless mana land?

These are the posts I was talking about. The Jack one looks kinda innocuous but they're both very similar cases. If earlier I town-read hk for wanting to keep mana talk to a minimum, this is just recklessly fishing for information we don't actually need so early in the game (Urist's approach is the one that makes most sense to me. If you really need mana, maybe tell us a color and keep the option in the air). It's about finding a good mana honeypot to PtF, and while at that just identify potentially threatening civ roles.

Sorry for bringing up ancient history like only wolves ever do, it's just what I've observed.

Do you have anymore D0 reads you can give us? Those are always my fave

[112]

why would anybody want to chop me :/

I'm going to take a wild guess and say: you got a mafia role PM and it shows.

nope. i'm only ever yeeted as scum by pure luck governed by statistics.

Oh ok then. Guess we'll be statistically lucky then this game, right wolf?

Scummy post

[falcon45ca]

I've got a town lean on Enrique. Only a TP can have this much trouble getting past D0

[hollowkatt]

I’m gonna throw out more claim right now than I normally do in games because I think it might be strategically helpful.

I have essentially two powers. One can be cast by the mana I produce or less and it’s not great. The other can be cast by more mana than I can produce by myself in a turn and is pretty decent. It’s my understanding that I can’t save up mana turn to turn.

Without rereading the rules or my rolecard, we have 10 life and a mafia kill removes 10 life. Say I need 2 extra mana to use my better ability. If I can actually get that mana and if I get targeted by that dissolve the fool power every night, it’d take 5 nights of using a better power to die, which is probably totally worth it in a game this side. Arguably no downside, even.

So the real downside to anyone with an ability choice like mine is outting that I have “a decent power” and then either having to say “give me mana if you can spare it,” which risks the fool blast doing extra damage or just not getting anything, or we have to more publicly declare what we’re doing, making it easier to not get the mana you need and generally making the wolf’s job of disrupting town powerroles easier. Ie if I’m town and LC is town and the mafia has a rb, they can essentially block us both if we make it public that LC is giving me mana by blocking me. But if I just say “give me mana” I might get 5+ and get fool killed in 2 nights instead of 5.

So like...thoughts on the best way to strategerize with this setup?

I've read this thru twice, and I'm still not sure what you're saying.


Seems Magic has gotten a bit more complex since I was a lad.

I'm going to be upfront with this because I have a role which will never be useful without claiming:

I have one ability which takes more Mana than I can produce, and it uses nothing but colorless. The fact I will do nothing without being given specific Mana, or sharing Mana to players, is why I want to figure this out

I, for one, would like to know what the ability is, and why I should spend my colorless mana on yours over others.


I'm assuming everyone got at least 1 colorless mana land?

These are the posts I was talking about. The Jack one looks kinda innocuous but they're both very similar cases. If earlier I town-read hk for wanting to keep mana talk to a minimum, this is just recklessly fishing for information we don't actually need so early in the game (Urist's approach is the one that makes most sense to me. If you really need mana, maybe tell us a color and keep the option in the air). It's about finding a good mana honeypot to PtF, and while at that just identify potentially threatening civ roles.

Sorry for bringing up ancient history like only wolves ever do, it's just what I've observed.

I think the difference between the two is that Jack is trying to determine the best way to proceed with HIS actions/mana needs yeah? Whereas Falcon there is talking about others mana needs. That being said, I don't disagree with the question Falcon asks, why is Bolas worth the mana? I think that's a legitimate question to be asking. I agree it's gruff and abrupt, but ultimately I don't think it's wrong.
Like if I could pretend for a hot second if Falcon doesn't town read Bolas there the question is a great one. If he does read bolas town the question is moot and needn't be asked. If he's unsure, probably it's wolfy to be asking like that.

I can get to how you think it's fishing, I disagree.

[tutuu]

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[Marmot]

I have zero interest in any of these wagons: Falcon, Jack, JPIC, Mac, Marmot. Do something better with your votes sheesh

Make a fucking better one then

lol

[Marmot]

@MacDougall what's your better wagon?

[Marmot]

@hollowkatt, who would you yeet today aside from ted?

[Marmot]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

[Marmot]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

[Guillotine]

I have zero interest in any of these wagons: Falcon, Jack, JPIC, Mac, Marmot. Do something better with your votes sheesh

Falcon? JPIC? You townread those?

[tutuu]

Reminder that voting both in the poll and using the <vote> tags is mandatory!

At the end of the day I will only be counting the votes written with <vote> tags!

[falcon45ca]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

[hollowkatt]

I have zero interest in any of these wagons: Falcon, Jack, JPIC, Mac, Marmot. Do something better with your votes sheesh

Make a fucking better one then

I did, Ted. You're welcome to join me if you want to.

[hollowkatt]

why would anybody want to chop me :/

I'm going to take a wild guess and say: you got a mafia role PM and it shows.

nope. i'm only ever yeeted as scum by pure luck governed by statistics.

Oh ok then. Guess we'll be statistically lucky then this game, right wolf?

Scummy post

lol ok then

[Marmot]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Try again.

[hollowkatt]

@hollowkatt, who would you yeet today aside from ted?

Epi/112/Bolas are all fine wagons if I can't have Ted.

[Guillotine]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Dude. Do you understand that people can choose to holster by giving mana away?

[Marmot]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Try again.

I didn't say you did something for towncred. I was referencing the post where you accused Guillo/Epi doing this stunt for towncred.

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

[Epignosis]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

I don't care about my artifact(s).

I said from the get go I'm treating this like a regular Mafia game and magic powers don't concern me. I think I used my capabilities smartly the last time around, and your response to that is "Epignosis and Guillotine could be teammates."

And that's fine.

Is that the most likely scenario to you?

[hollowkatt]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Dude. Do you understand that people can choose to holster by giving mana away?

Are you w/w with Epi Guillo? I thought we were bros. You can tell me.

[Marmot]

I want no mana Enrique, my role is silly

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

Right now I only got Mac and Jack. Did I miss anyone else volunteering?

[MacDougall]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

Confirm what

[Guillotine]

I'm still not convinced on people being able to give away 6 mana though but Epi did claim the color I had received.

[Guillotine]

Does Enrique know that the time to send mana had passed almost 12 hours ago?

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

Confirm what

What the post I quoted says. If you wanna be on my list, there’s no guarantee I’ll choose you but you gotta ask that nobody else send you mana. Are you still in?

[hollowkatt]

Does Enrique know that the time to send mana had passed almost 12 hours ago?

I wonder.. derp or purposeful?

[Enrique]

Does Enrique know that the time to send mana had passed almost 12 hours ago?

I’m not sending anyone mana. I’m making sure they have it.

[hollowkatt]

Does Enrique know that the time to send mana had passed almost 12 hours ago?

I’m not sending anyone mana. I’m making sure they have it.

interesting

[Guillotine]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Dude. Do you understand that people can choose to holster by giving mana away?

Are you w/w with Epi Guillo? I thought we were bros. You can tell me.

I'm not w/w with Epi but we could be teammates. How is Falcon and JPIC not yeetable to you?

[Long Con]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

Confirm what

What the post I quoted says. If you wanna be on my list, there’s no guarantee I’ll choose you but you gotta ask that nobody else send you mana. Are you still in?

Catching up, skipped a few pages. How is this working?

[Long Con]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Dude. Do you understand that people can choose to holster by giving mana away?

Are you w/w with Epi Guillo? I thought we were bros. You can tell me.

I'm not w/w with Epi but we could be teammates. How is Falcon and JPIC not yeetable to you?

Are you off the Urist vote now?

[Guillotine]

@Jackofhearts2005 why are you still voting Epignosis?

@falcon45ca do you still believe that Epi/Guillo are w/w and did this public dance for towncred?

I don't do shit for town cred. Smarten up.


I'm not convinced they're both town, and I still can't see why Epi would do that with his mana...does he not need mana for his own artifact?

Dude. Do you understand that people can choose to holster by giving mana away?

Are you w/w with Epi Guillo? I thought we were bros. You can tell me.

I'm not w/w with Epi but we could be teammates. How is Falcon and JPIC not yeetable to you?

Are you off the Urist vote now?

Yah unfortunately that wagon is not taking off today or ever as he is getting townread by everyone.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

[Enrique]

This is going to sound like a trick question but please try to follow. Would somebody here like to (volunteer to) have more mana without receiving any mana (and thus risking PtF)? Please make a line and I will review your cases individually. ty.

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

Confirm what

What the post I quoted says. If you wanna be on my list, there’s no guarantee I’ll choose you but you gotta ask that nobody else send you mana. Are you still in?

Catching up, skipped a few pages. How is this working?

My offer:

If you have an artifact that needs more mana than you have, but you don’t want to risk asking for mana donations / getting PtFd, I can make sure you get some mana one night later. If you wanna be on my list, just make sure to ask that nobody donate to you so that you don’t get punished.

I’ll review the people on my list and choose one of them to bless w this shit. None of them will be PfTable at any point in the process unless somebody else gives them mana.

[112]

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

going with my gut

[Epignosis]

Your mafia

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Any follow-up on that assertion?

Yes, you're his partner

Not really what I was going for.

I tr both urist and falcon, so marmot putting two of my top townies is highly suspect

Why do you townread Urist?

I was vibing with his thoughts and agreed with his worldview overall

These responses from JPIC dissatisfy me.

First the omission of a necessary apostrophe and "e" followed by an answer that is vague to the point of worthlessness.

[tutuu]

Official VC 2.5:

DrWilgy - 0 -
dunya - 0 -
Enrique - 0 -
Epignosis - 3 - Urist, Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca
falcon45ca - 2 - Enrique, Guillotine
Guillotine - 0 -
hollowkatt - 0 -
Jackofhearts2005 - 1 - Epignosis
Justplayingitcool - 3 - dunya, tedxtr, Marmot
Long Con - 0 -
MacDougall - 1 - DrWilgy
Marmot - 1 - MacDougall
112 - 0 -
tedxtr - 3 - hollowkatt, Justplayingitcool, 112
Urist - 1 - Long Con

No Chop - 0 -
Not voting - 0 -


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tutuu

DrWilgy
dunya
Enrique
Epignosis
falcon45ca
Guillotine
Jackofhearts2005
Justplayingitcool
Kylemii
Long Con
MacDougall
Made
Marmot
Nicol Bolas / 112
hollowkatt
tedxtr
Poison / Urist

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JustPlayingitCool] aubergine

[Guillotine]

Yes please. I have a kicker that's deal 5 damage

There’s no guarantee that I’ll choose you, and if you’re on my list you’re agreeing that no one else send you mana to avoid a PtF. Is that alright?

Reposting this to get more candidates and to get @MacDougall to confirm...

Confirm what

What the post I quoted says. If you wanna be on my list, there’s no guarantee I’ll choose you but you gotta ask that nobody else send you mana. Are you still in?

Catching up, skipped a few pages. How is this working?

My offer:

If you have an artifact that needs more mana than you have, but you don’t want to risk asking for mana donations / getting PtFd, I can make sure you get some mana one night later. If you wanna be on my list, just make sure to ask that nobody donate to you so that you don’t get punished.

I’ll review the people on my list and choose one of them to bless w this shit. None of them will be PfTable at any point in the process unless somebody else gives them mana.

I kill and take lands of whoever tries to kill me at night, so I'm good.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: ted] aubergine