Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Shortening the day phases is not unanimous, so we proceed with 48/24. Maybe we'll revisit the idea later or maybe not.

[Marmot]

grogu buddy i've been pretty transparent today on who i could be, just give it some thought and all your questions are answered. However I wont tell you any other night actions for the time being

You have?

[Marmot]

Marmot, my guess is there’s a standstill going on here. I, and I’m guessing Sprityo similarly, don’t want you to make up any potential role cop results once other people claim. You have two results, out the one of the person higher in the claim order, let them verify you, and then the other one can be used to verify someone else’s claim

Unless you checked LC or someone who already claimed in which case this is all bunk I guess

Do you think I would make something up?

...yes??

Well, I can point you to the point where I was leading the charge in trying to get ChopChop yeeted Day 1, among other things, as evidence that I am not Enclave. Does that make you feel better?

[Seanzie]

I'm starting to suspect Sprityo the most. Grogu should claim alignment, and then I think Sprityo should claim.

[Grogu]

grogu buddy i've been pretty transparent today on who i could be, just give it some thought and all your questions are answered. However I wont tell you any other night actions for the time being

I don’t feel like thinking, I have a lot of business bids to sort thru and is Friday. Why don’t you claim what you do at nights and who you target

[Grogu]

Is anyone else aware of what has Daisy sprit claimed or been clear on?

[MartinGG99]

Joshua
Additionally, you're a 2-shot limited tracker. Twice during the game during any separate night phases you may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.

AHS-9
Separately, you're a 2-shot limited watcher. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.


These are the only things Grogu could be.

He had mech info on D2, so it couldn't have been an invention supporting him.

[MartinGG99]

So if Marmot + Grogu are telling the truth then Grogu is Joshua of....

*drum roll*

The Brotherhood of Steel.

Just lovely.

[MartinGG99]

Unless Grogu or Marmot are lying somewhere.

Has falcon claimed anything? I have reasons to believe he is a baddie

because sloonei is lock town

We will see about that tonight. On the other hand falcon is one of the wolves, I know this for a fact u less something very weird happened.
He needs to claim what he did last night. He’s caught

OOOOOO MORE SPICE

Sadly that’s all the spice I got. Your move scum @falcon45ca

OOOOOO MORE SPICE

Sadly that’s all the spice I got. Your move scum @falcon45ca

Why don't you look at my pushes this past RD, I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out

grogu is claiming you are 100% guilty, you should just fullclaim.

As far as I can see, Grogu hasn't said I'm 100% guilty of. I'd like to hear what he has to say I'm guilty of first.

What did you do last night. What action did you use on Alison?

(grogu quotes)

[TonyStarkPrime]

Marmot, my guess is there’s a standstill going on here. I, and I’m guessing Sprityo similarly, don’t want you to make up any potential role cop results once other people claim. You have two results, out the one of the person higher in the claim order, let them verify you, and then the other one can be used to verify someone else’s claim

Unless you checked LC or someone who already claimed in which case this is all bunk I guess

Do you think I would make something up?

...yes??

Well, I can point you to the point where I was leading the charge in trying to get ChopChop yeeted Day 1, among other things, as evidence that I am not Enclave. Does that make you feel better?

I’m aware of this. I have you in mid poe. I suspect, given that everyone above you is basically cleared, (though I might tinfoil Martin later idk), that the wolves likely lie below you. But I can’t just assume you’re who you say you are in the absence of supporting info.

[Marmot]

Joshua
Additionally, you're a 2-shot limited tracker. Twice during the game during any separate night phases you may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.

AHS-9
Separately, you're a 2-shot limited watcher. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.


These are the only things Grogu could be.

He had mech info on D2, so it couldn't have been an invention supporting him.

I know Grogu can't be the latter.

[Marmot]

Marmot, my guess is there’s a standstill going on here. I, and I’m guessing Sprityo similarly, don’t want you to make up any potential role cop results once other people claim. You have two results, out the one of the person higher in the claim order, let them verify you, and then the other one can be used to verify someone else’s claim

Unless you checked LC or someone who already claimed in which case this is all bunk I guess

Do you think I would make something up?

...yes??

Well, I can point you to the point where I was leading the charge in trying to get ChopChop yeeted Day 1, among other things, as evidence that I am not Enclave. Does that make you feel better?

I’m aware of this. I have you in mid poe. I suspect, given that everyone above you is basically cleared, (though I might tinfoil Martin later idk), that the wolves likely lie below you. But I can’t just assume you’re who you say you are in the absence of supporting info.

Right back at ya bud.

[MartinGG99]

So if Marmot + Grogu are telling the truth then Grogu is Joshua of....

*drum roll*

The Brotherhood of Steel.

Just lovely.

This makes 5 potential BoS roles or claims btw

Kylemii (Or Epi, whoever was the masonizer) + Urist (not claimed?) + Sprityo + Jack + Grogu.

If Grogu can't be that one AHS-9 role.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Not Urist or Im chopping him. He’s the other one

[sprityo]

Joshua
Additionally, you're a 2-shot limited tracker. Twice during the game during any separate night phases you may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.

AHS-9
Separately, you're a 2-shot limited watcher. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.


These are the only things Grogu could be.

He had mech info on D2, so it couldn't have been an invention supporting him.

I know Grogu can't be the latter.

and i know grogu cant be the former, im autocleared because i shoot grogu tonight

[MartinGG99]

If Urist is scum he's probably Frank Horrigan and just simply doctor'ed the person that they (the enclave) were planning to attack.

However I'm think that's less likely of a case since none of Sprityo/Marmot/Grogu/Jack are seemingly ***not*** protectives. Meaning basically Urist is the only role in the game that can prevent kills other than Frank Horrigan. It would be too weird to not give towns any direct ability to block kills.

[MartinGG99]

Joshua
Additionally, you're a 2-shot limited tracker. Twice during the game during any separate night phases you may select a player. You will be told who that player targeted if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.

AHS-9
Separately, you're a 2-shot limited watcher. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told who targeted that player that night if anyone. This cannot detect fatal actions.


These are the only things Grogu could be.

He had mech info on D2, so it couldn't have been an invention supporting him.

I know Grogu can't be the latter.

and i know grogu cant be the former, im autocleared because i shoot grogu tonight

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Hopefully he is enclave.

If he is I'm leaning towards Jack being scum with him, on the basis of lack of interaction. His entrance today kinda pinged me as being too passive and very focused on that plan, or something. My gut didn't like it. Now looking at it to see he didn't mention Jack at all recently, it makes potentially a lot of sense if he's enclave with Jack.

[sprityo]

i targeted jack my first night so night 5, and he targeted no one. Do with that what you will

[Jackofhearts2005]

Honestly I don't care atm for who's scummier or not.

I kinda just want to murder anybody who doesn't claim before the end of this day phase, as I have my own thoughts to share on the subject after claims and I would hate it if I were hit with a 0-post cap on night 7 and beyond. That includes Sprityo and Grogu who I tend to view as probably townier in Jack/Grogu/Marmot/Sprityo.

You should play on HCRealms.

It’s weird how far I’ve migrated from claims are super important, massive host posts, tons of interlocking mechanics -> I dislike claiming, don’t read setups or most host posts, cops are basically cheating.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i targeted jack my first night so night 5, and he targeted no one. Do with that what you will

I already claimed that but sure.

[MartinGG99]

Oh yeah. @Marmot who in the world did you cop and what was it?

Now that basically everyone that I was concerned with has claimed.

[MartinGG99]

Well Grogu hasn't claimed but he basically outed himself as being in potential CC-territory with 2 players.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This whole claim order thing is silly tbh.

Wolves have fake claims anyway.

The only way anyone gets CCed is by being stupid.

[sprityo]

i targeted jack my first night so night 5, and he targeted no one. Do with that what you will

I already claimed that but sure.

i didnt see sorry

[Marmot]

I'm gonna wait for Grogu and TSP to confirm their alignments.

[sprityo]

Well Grogu hasn't claimed but he basically outed himself as being in potential CC-territory with 2 players.

if he's smart he'll cc marmot but that makes no sense as he couldve done so earlier when marmot claimed

[MartinGG99]

This whole claim order thing is silly tbh.

Wolves have fake claims anyway.

The only way anyone gets CCed is by being stupid.

It is silly.

Though I'm not sure if one has to be really stupid to get mech-shaded or mech-caught because the dynamics of balance in this game are likely really sensitive and with all the nuances of past day phases and deaths it makes it tricky probably for even a typical player to claim something safe.

After all, they aren't informed of how informed some towns are.

[sprityo]

@MartinGG99 what was the reason that grogu couldnt have used an invention? i havent read anything before day 5

[Jackofhearts2005]

@MartinGG99 what was the reason that grogu couldnt have used an invention? i havent read anything before day 5

He had info D2. So he learned something N1. The earliest he could receive an invention is end of N1.

[Kylemii]

This whole claim order thing is silly tbh.

Wolves have fake claims anyway.

The only way anyone gets CCed is by being stupid.

ooof

[MartinGG99]

@MartinGG99 what was the reason that grogu couldnt have used an invention? i havent read anything before day 5

Basically Inventions have to be passed out during the night phase.

Quickest chance to use them is n2. Grogu claimed a track or watch of some sort on day 2. Which means he used his own role on night 1.

On D2 he hastily scum-read Falcon for something; if there was something about your slot during that time he would've mentioned it I think but he didn't. Which means he had a 2nd shot or more of track or watch unless he got an invention later with a really lucky "Track" rand of it.

Plus many other things that just make it seem really unlikely for Grogu to *not* be one of those roles I gave earlier, if he's town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Didn’t Grogu also have info on Chop but then walked it back? I’m too lazy to go look at that but I bet it spews Grogu and yes teamed with Chop or no teamed with Chop.

Why is the info on Falcon, who flipped town iirc, not a problem for Grogu?

[MartinGG99]

(This also ignores the fact that if he got an invention, someone else here has to be an invention giver and I don't see anybody being that rn)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still like Sprityo as town for the note pass thingie.

Maybe it’s just Jack, Grogu and LC.

[MartinGG99]

OOOOOO MORE SPICE

Sadly that’s all the spice I got. Your move scum @falcon45ca

Why don't you look at my pushes this past RD, I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out

grogu is claiming you are 100% guilty, you should just fullclaim.

As far as I can see, Grogu hasn't said I'm 100% guilty of. I'd like to hear what he has to say I'm guilty of first.

What did you do last night. What action did you use on Alison?

I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

Why’s that?

setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.

Why are you assuming that Grogu is being honest? Look at my push of Alison, tell me you don't believe that I checked her

Oh so it was a check? Hmm that kinda makes sense. Nvm
I saw falcon not claiming as him hiding info from us but makes sense if he wants to stay alive plus he stopped being annoying and talking about me. I just never thought it would be a check because why not check me? I guess it makes sense now that you mention it.
Ok VOTE Alison

[MartinGG99]

I still like Sprityo as town for the note pass thingie.

Maybe it’s just Jack, Grogu and LC.

If Grogu is Enclave then...

Unfortunately for you, that also shows potentially non-w/w interactions.

Not just with Chop Chop, but also with Grogu.

Someone said red check on him today I think.

Ok, not so much a red check:

because sloonei is lock town

We will see about that tonight. On the other hand falcon is one of the wolves, I know this for a fact u less something very weird happened.
He needs to claim what he did last night. He’s caught

Kill me if you want, though I'd advise you spend time on trying to find mafia since way more greens have died, though I don't feel liek trying so if killing me is what you come to lose, it gets me out of feeling obligated to show up

This is always town. Last night it was clear we had scum between chop and rej. We made the wromg choice and should kill chop today. Why is no one voting them?

Grogu looks pretty bad here.

[VOTE: grogu] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

Top + Mid quote shows lack of information that likely would have been shared in enclave chat by Grogu imo.

Last quote, especially with its timing starting only a very tiny wagon for that day phase, shows a very unlikely w-against-w push.

[MartinGG99]

I think the only way Jack can be town here is if Sprityo is Frank and he's just vigging one of his own but I already town-read his slot earlier.

Heck being BoS kinda adds to Space Daisy's reaction to the message that claimed to be Luke because, well, what are the chances you're contacted by one of your own town faction on n1 lol.

[MartinGG99]

Marmot probably town because its unlikely to be in vague CC-territory with another enclave member imo.

Unless they're being stupid or trying to WIFOM about it.

[MartinGG99]

(Not that I am suggesting Marmot in particular is stupid, just in general anyone in that situation)

[Marmot]

Is there incentive for town to not alignment claim at this point?

[Marmot]

Marmot probably town because its unlikely to be in vague CC-territory with another enclave member imo.

Unless they're being stupid or trying to WIFOM about it.

vague-cc territory?

[Marmot]

I put the dash in the wrong spot, but you get my point.

[MartinGG99]

Is there incentive for town to not alignment claim at this point?

:Shrug:

I think we're mostly solved at this point. TSP is town imo, even if he isn't claiming. I would be shocked if he's a wolf here.

Urist hasn't claimed but he's breadcrumbed so many details he basically has to be ACE of the BoS.

[MartinGG99]

Marmot probably town because its unlikely to be in vague CC-territory with another enclave member imo.

Unless they're being stupid or trying to WIFOM about it.

vague-cc territory?

Well, I mean, I think it would have been known for awhile if you two could have been aiming for similar-ish fake claims on Watchers/tracking roles. Seems like something the Enclave would try to plan out a bit.

[MartinGG99]

Of course if Grogu flips town somehow then we just flip the table and say there's one scum in Sprityo/Marmot.

And maybe jack again.

Idk. Maybe I'll think about it more later.

[Urist]

I already claimed to be ncr

[MartinGG99]

I already claimed to be ncr

wat

[Urist]

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... cr#p754919

[Seanzie]

I already claimed to be ncr

In that case, can you hardclaim your role right now?