Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah, 4 (essentially) town clears and 4 poe.

[Seanzie]

@TonyStarkPrime, what are you? I think everyone else has claimed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sleeping is a meme anyhow.

[MartinGG99]

Thank god for shooting grogu.

His defense was terrible at that EoD, especially since he made a post emphasizing that Chop spewed him something. He over-did it.

[MartinGG99]

Also I thought that Seanzie was the only redding?

Did that change and I missed it?

[Seanzie]

So right now we have:

Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR

Assuming all these are true, this gives us faction sizes of:
Wastelanders - 5
NCR - 3
BoS - 3
Arroyo - 2
Redding - 1
New Reno - 2
Hubologist - 2
JJJ - 1
??? - 1

TSP I think just softclaimed Redding, or if not, he isn't paying attention. If TSP is indeed Redding, then for balance purposes I would say Marmot is definitely clear, and Jack is also probably clear? So in that world, LC is the clear vote, with a very small side of Jack.

If TSP is not redding, then whatever faction he is in I think would need to be examined. LC probably still questionable.

[MartinGG99]

Also, if LC is being truthful and there's no other Wastelander, and there are 2 of every other town faction, that leaves 3 Enclave left by my math. That said, I don't think we should rely on the fact that there's 2 of every town faction. It would make sense from a balancing perspective, but, there's also reason to believe that it's been somewhat randomized.

Communications Officer (Probably would've found Alison as quick as I did and give Chop the correct info; it doesn't exist prob)
Dr. Charles Curling (Doesn't seem like any poison mechanics are at play in game)
Dr. Schreber
Frank Horrigan (Guaranteed)
President Dick Richardson (Dead)
Quincy
Raul
Sergeant Arch Dornan (No one has lost ability to change vote it would seem)
Vice President Daniel Bird (Dead)

So basically the last 3 enclave, if there are 3, are

1 of Frank Horrigan
+
2 of
Dr. Schreber
Quincy
Raul

Basically the last mafia is

Raul or Quicy, or if there's two more of them then they're both of those roles.

Gorgu mentioned inventor as part of a desperate claim and I'm preety sure no one else has claimed receiving an invention sdo I'm reading that as Dr. Schreber never existing.

[sprityo]

POG, MVP VIG

[sprityo]

this means im locktown with marmot right?

[sprityo]

btw @Marmot you didnt visit anyone night 6, why was that?

[MartinGG99]

Off the top of my head I would say last mafia is in either Jack or LC.

If there's still mafia after that then its either Marmot (which I would lean towards) or, unexpectedly, TSP.

[MartinGG99]

Also @ everyone Grogu likes to derp-clear as wolf either intentionally or unintentionally so don't trust him for that

[MartinGG99]

Also @ everyone Grogu likes to derp-clear as wolf either intentionally or unintentionally so don't trust him for that

like ever apparently

[Urist]

Made claimed inventor so it almost certainly exists as a scum role. Doubt that grogu was lying.

[MartinGG99]

Made claimed inventor so it almost certainly exists as a scum role. Doubt that grogu was lying.

Really? Made said that?

Well I guess Enclave could always inventor their own people and just say nothing about it ig.

[Urist]

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

It just seems strange to me that they would claim inventor if they never inventor-target people outside of the enclave or something.

Becausse then it looks less likely unless they just claim together without people suspecting it w/w

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

Actually, now I remember.

LC did some gorgu pushing earlier. Or something. It was somewhat non-w/w....I noted it earlier lemme find it

[MartinGG99]

I still like Sprityo as town for the note pass thingie.

Maybe it’s just Jack, Grogu and LC.

If Grogu is Enclave then...

Unfortunately for you, that also shows potentially non-w/w interactions.

Not just with Chop Chop, but also with Grogu.

Someone said red check on him today I think.

Ok, not so much a red check:

because sloonei is lock town

We will see about that tonight. On the other hand falcon is one of the wolves, I know this for a fact u less something very weird happened.
He needs to claim what he did last night. He’s caught

Kill me if you want, though I'd advise you spend time on trying to find mafia since way more greens have died, though I don't feel liek trying so if killing me is what you come to lose, it gets me out of feeling obligated to show up

This is always town. Last night it was clear we had scum between chop and rej. We made the wromg choice and should kill chop today. Why is no one voting them?

Grogu looks pretty bad here.

[VOTE: grogu] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

[snipped quote]

Re-posting this as my reads, except LC is put as more town.

There were these interaction earlier before today (D6) that looks like not w/w and spews LC as not-teamed imo.

Ngl my main hesitation in voting Tony is that I feel like I should have a solid read on him and he says I should townread him and I’d be kinda embarrassed to misyeet himnotreal

That’s not a good reason to actually townread him.

He’s doing that because he thinks he’s a good wolf!


If you believe that he’s a wolf and you have lots of information that points towards that you push it.
As long as you point your reasons why, there’s no em brass meant.

Oh, that's rich.

But Tony is pretty suspicious right? I'll [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

@Dom the last ten posts is roughly my impression of the case against me

Yeah, for sure. I was just kidding about my vote for you, just wanted to see how it would travel. [VOTE: chopchop] aubergine I told him I would, and he didn't care. Pretty much out of my hands.

LC did say this on Day 1.

That was just to try and mess with wolves, maybe draw a nightkill.

I know, my point is that I doubt you're a PR because this does look like cover, and so you're either VT or wolf.

You're not wrong.

Is that a VT Hardclaim or an Open Wolf?

Already said, go back and read. Except I really did.

[MartinGG99]

LC has non-w/w interactions with Chop Chop and Grogu imo.

If he's enclave here he's been kinda town-siding in that aspect alone.

[MartinGG99]

Also LC did claim a flavor for his VT btw. I forgot what it was but it was valid iirc.

[MartinGG99]

I'm skimming the interactions with the context of Doom, Chop, and Grogu being scum and I don't think any wolf does this on D3 where there's two Enclave Wagons and one Vault City wagon to

1) Vote the Vault City
2) Go back to one of the Enclave wagons 3 minutes later
3) Have their first and biggest vote for most of D4 on an Enclave

And to end up with a vote for most if not all of D4 on Grogu.

I'll vote Joseph but this mech thing on Made is still probably the strongest way to go.

[VOTE: Joseph] aubergine

Ok f that I'm going back to Made. [VOTE: Made] aubergine

Kill me if you want, though I'd advise you spend time on trying to find mafia since way more greens have died, though I don't feel liek trying so if killing me is what you come to lose, it gets me out of feeling obligated to show up

This is always town. Last night it was clear we had scum between chop and rej. We made the wromg choice and should kill chop today. Why is no one voting them?

Grogu looks pretty bad here.

[VOTE: grogu] aubergine

[Urist]

should i pretend that martin didn't just imply that enclave knew who VC was orrr

[MartinGG99]

I'm skimming the interactions with the context of Doom, Chop, and Grogu being scum and I don't think any wolf does this on D3 where there's two Enclave Wagons and one Vault City wagon to

1) Vote the Vault City
2) Go back to one of the Enclave wagons 3 minutes later
3) Have their first and biggest vote for most of D4 on an Enclave

And to end up with a vote for most if not all of D4 on Grogu.

Fixed. Basically, I can see LC just being non-W/W overall and just town-siding on things.

I don't think there's any particular point that gives strong evidence he's intentionally bussing here for cred or anything tbh

[MartinGG99]

should i pretend that martin didn't just imply that enclave knew who VC was orrr

Remember grogu calling Mac taking a wolfy poo?

They probably role-copped him.

Regardless, even if they didn't, they knew two of those wagons were enclave.

[Urist]

i mean the reason for why i'm voting lc is because he's been correct too many times.

[MartinGG99]

Soooooo.....

Policy.

Well if we have just 1 enclave left then I suppose we can spare it. But I'm going to be looking at other things first.

[Urist]

it's not policy lol what

[MartinGG99]

If there's 2 enclave left then we got 1 deletion before LYLO.

If there's 1 enclave left then we got 2 deletion before LYLO.

If I did math right.

[Urist]

how are there possibly 15 people reading this thread right now, why are people doing this to themselves

[MartinGG99]

it's not policy lol what

Well you made it sound like it was policy

the reasoning was extremely short

[MartinGG99]

If there's 2 enclave left then we got 1 deletion before LYLO.

If there's 1 enclave left then we got 2 deletion before LYLO.

If I did math right.

So at minimum 2 town kills before losing the game, or 3 if there's just one.

That's a really small box:

Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Marmot
MartinGG99 = I am me.
Poison / Syn / Seanzie = Cleared
Spacedaisy / sprityo = Cleared
TonyStarkPrime = I town-read very much
Urist = Cleared

If there's just one then I probably kill those without an = in some order

If there's two then we find one and get the other consecutively, from my perspective anyways if we ignore me thinking LC being non-w/w and that I town-read him anyways.

[MartinGG99]

I mean if we're certain that I and TSP are absolutely town then we basically just win no matter what.

[MartinGG99]

@Jackofhearts2005 out of curiosity did you use your grenade and who was it

[Long Con]

i mean the reason for why i'm voting lc is because he's been correct too many times.

That's the first time anyone has ever said that about me.

[Long Con]

What's this post about, Urist?

please just call grogu locktown so that he can be NK'd at some point ty

You're probably above suspicion for some reason though. But I had to ask because it looks pretty bad, I was reading the posts following my vote for Grogu until I hit this one, and it stopped me.

[Long Con]

Off the top of my head I would say last mafia is in either Jack or LC.

If there's still mafia after that then its either Marmot (which I would lean towards) or, unexpectedly, TSP.

I'm good with this. [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Long Con]

So right now we have:

Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR

Wait, I just actually read this post.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

So right now we have:

Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR

Wait, I just actually read this post.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Unless you suspect him to be Enclave

or TSP is secretly a Hubologist

there really isn't much reason to chop Marmot here

[MartinGG99]

What's this post about, Urist?

please just call grogu locktown so that he can be NK'd at some point ty

You're probably above suspicion for some reason though. But I had to ask because it looks pretty bad, I was reading the posts following my vote for Grogu until I hit this one, and it stopped me.

I've basically given up tinfoiling Urist awhile ago and I would rather not have to do that again

He's practically the only protective that could save kills from happening, and generally in setups (I imagine) where protection is possible, town usually has it

If he were enclave that would suggest Enclave specifically shot Alison to save the shot + Chop intentionally said the wrong thing about Alison + town had no real way to prevent fatal actions other than possibly shooting the guy doing the shooting or hope that Macdougal's vault city Dr. Troy saves us.

[Long Con]

It's just hard when a claimed enemy is staring me in the face and there are still unknowns. Is it that impossible that there are two Hubologists?

[MartinGG99]

It's just hard when a claimed enemy is staring me in the face and there are still unknowns. Is it that impossible that there are two Hubologists?

A hubologist already died.

What do you mean "impossible" lol.

[MartinGG99]

SPF was a hubologist, and Marmot is a claimed Hubologist.

If TSP is a hublogist that would make 3 Hubologists, but I'm not sure if there would be 3 given that they have a unique wincon only needing 50% of their non-enclave enemies dead. If they needed more dead then I would start to suspect 3 hubologists.

[TonyStarkPrime]

So right now we have:

Jackofhearts2005 - Authur Pendragon of BoS
Long Con - Unspecified vaniila of Wastelander
Marmot - AHS-9 of Hubologists
MartinGG99 - Louis Salvatore of New Reno
Poison / Syn / Seanzie - Sheriff Marion of Redding
Spacedaisy / sprityo - Joshua of BoS
TonyStarkPrime - Unknown
Urist - Vice President Carlson of NCR

Assuming all these are true, this gives us faction sizes of:
Wastelanders - 5
NCR - 3
BoS - 3
Arroyo - 2
Redding - 1
New Reno - 2
Hubologist - 2
JJJ - 1
??? - 1

TSP I think just softclaimed Redding, or if not, he isn't paying attention. If TSP is indeed Redding, then for balance purposes I would say Marmot is definitely clear, and Jack is also probably clear? So in that world, LC is the clear vote, with a very small side of Jack.

If TSP is not redding, then whatever faction he is in I think would need to be examined. LC probably still questionable.

I would be careful on examining this in depth. But I do understand the feeling, I’ve been scanning the numbers frequently

[TonyStarkPrime]

this means im locktown with marmot right?

If marmot is how you spell urist then yes

[TonyStarkPrime]

It's just hard when a claimed enemy is staring me in the face and there are still unknowns. Is it that impossible that there are two Hubologists?

I really think you’re overdoing it but for the love of all things holy please read your win con

[TonyStarkPrime]

Like I get the feeling that LC knows what’s going on way more than to justify a Marmot vote just on the reasoning that Marmot claimed hubo.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thinking poe should be LC, Jack, Poisynzie in some order. Marmot’s probably clear enough, cause I don’t think?? He CCs his own teammate but maybe I’m putting too much stock into that